Alltel Cellular - Re: Someone is making calls on my phone that I am not making, How? CLONE?

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Re: Someone is making calls on my phone that I am not making, How? CLONE?

NorthSlope

2005-06-22, 6:55 am

Hey Larry-

The bit about leaving the phone on and it refusing service if someone else
is using the ESN on another phone....... it may not be true.

I 'cloned' two phones in addition to my original alltel phone, and tried out
all kinds of scenarios. When the number is dialed, all 3 phones ring if
they're all on. I can answer all three. I can't hear what's being said on
the other 'clones', and the 'clones' can't hear anything said on the other
'clones', but all three phones can hear the originating caller and carry on
a conversation (it's a strange kind of conference call, for sure!). If I'm
in the middle of a call on one of the 3 phones, and pick up one of the
clones and dial a number, the moment I press 'send', the initial call is
dropped, and the call from the second phone begins. I've even sent one of
the clones out of state with a family member so they'd have a phone if it
was needed, and it and mine worked great the whole while. There have been
instances when all three phones were on in different cells, and all are
operational ( i.e.any one of the three can answer a call or make a call.)

This situation works great for me, since I can share my phone and still have
access to it, and I don't have to have two or more phone numbers and pay the
fee to 'share minutes'. Since it's my plan, and my minutes that are being
used (and I never come close to using up my plan minutes), I don't have a
problem; BUT, IF you're in a situation where SOMEONE ELSE has a clone to
your phone, and your provider doesn't have security measures in place to
prevent clone phones from working, (I have alltel, and cloned phones work
here) you're in a bad way, unless and until you can get your ESN changed.

If 'Wal-Mart Smiley's' problem is someone with a clone phone, the only
remedy is a new phone, or adequate security measures by the provider. IF
there are adequate security measures in place, then your suggestion about
leaving the phone on would be valid and useful, but who knows what alltel
uses in Smiley's zone? I guess it wouln't hurt to do try your suggestion
out, just in case....... doesn't work here, though......

"Larry W4CSC" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
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quote:

> "Wal-Mart Smiley" <luv2smile@smiles.com> wrote in
> news:kHLte.1095$Zt.632@okepread05:
>
>
> You do know you don't have to buy any service, whatsoever, to dial 911
> emergency, don't you? If this is what you want, simply cancel service and
> pay nothing from now on. Send an email to the FCC thanking them for their
> forcing this on the licensees...(c;
>
> Now, I have a different tactic. LEAVE THE PHONE ON ALL THE WHILE, plugged
> into the charger if you're not going to use it.
>
> When the other guy tries to logon to use your ESN, the equipment will
> refuse him and note the exact cell he was using, probably somewhere far
> off. This will automatically alert the fraud department when the
> equipment
> notes it. They will call you and ask you to use a PIN number to make all
> your calls out of your local area. THEN, you can ask them for a different
> phone with a different ESN and they'll be cooperative.
>
> Did you report this to 611 or just some sales jerk in your local office or
> some reseller (who could care less)? I'm amazed if 611 gave you the
> brush...
>
> Leave the phone on continuously, 24/7/365. It won't burn out the phone,
> ever. I don't even know why they put power switch on phones...All they
> need is a mute to the ringer. Leave your phone on vibrate if you don't
> like to hear it ringing.
>
> --
> Larry
>
> You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and your outlined in
> chalk.
>

Larry W4CSC

2005-06-23, 6:55 am

"NorthSlope" <northslope@alltel.net> wrote in
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quote:

>
> I 'cloned' two phones in addition to my original alltel phone, and
> tried out all kinds of scenarios. When the number is dialed, all 3
> phones ring if they're all on. I can answer all three. I can't hear
> what's being said on
>

Yeah, that'll work. What I'm trying to do, if he's been hacked, is to make
sure the billing computer sees his phone at home at the same time as the
hacker's phone in Peoria online. That will give him a paper trail....er,
ah, memory trail..(c;...to show the gigacycle kops there are two phones
using his ECN which ain't right. As it is, with his phone being off so
much, they think he's a liar because the records only show him making calls
in Peoria...see?

--
Larry

You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and your outlined in
chalk.

Wal-Mart Smiley

2005-06-29, 6:55 am

Thank you both for some very useful information. That is exactly what
happened to me. I cancelled my Alltel service and decided to go with a
tracfone and you were right, I didn't call 611, I just talked to some
customer service reps. I really liked Alltel service. Oh well, maybe they
will get security measures in place some day. I wish I had read your
postings before I saw the tracfone at wal-mart.

quote:

>
> Yeah, that'll work. What I'm trying to do, if he's been hacked, is to
> make
> sure the billing computer sees his phone at home at the same time as the
> hacker's phone in Peoria online. That will give him a paper trail....er,
> ah, memory trail..(c;...to show the gigacycle kops there are two phones
> using his ECN which ain't right. As it is, with his phone being off so
> much, they think he's a liar because the records only show him making
> calls
> in Peoria...see?
>
> --
> Larry
>
> You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and your outlined in
> chalk.
>

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