Alltel Cellular - Re: What does OnStar use?

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Re: What does OnStar use?

Steve Sobol

2006-08-05, 10:33 pm

Crossposted into alt.cellular.alltel...

bigdaddyek82 wrote:
> This may be a surprise to many but it is more than mere speculation.
> Onstar uses CDMA and AMPS which service is provided by none other than
> Alltel Communications, "Americas largest wireless network". Onstar
> provides the equipment ans trademark and Alltel provides the signal,
> which is exceptional in most areas one may be inclined to take a
> vehicle.:confused:

America's largest wireless network? I doubt it.

One of the largest, to be sure. But let's look at company history:

(a) Alltel started as a company that only serviced landlines in rural and a
few smaller metro areas. Their wireless coverage initially continued that trend.

(b) Through mergers and acquisitions, they got bigger. They also swapped some
markets with Verizon. They also got a couple markets as a result of the
merger that created Verizon; for example, my hometown, which already had
AirTouch Cellular flipping to Verizon Wireless. Alltel got Cleveland's old
GTE Mobilnet network.

(c) The biggest deal was their recent purchase of Western Wireless, owner of
the CellularONE brand. They were already reasonably large by then, but that
deal added a decent amount of real estate.

(d) Yet even now, although they *are* now a major player, they don't service
any of the three biggest markets. Nothing in NYC, nothing in Los Angeles,
nothing in Chicago. Not only do they not serve Los Angeles, they have no
coverage in California at all. The closest location to my house where I can
use Alltel's network is the Grand Canyon, a few hundred miles away from here.

I have a problem believing that a cell carrier not serving *any* part of
California qualifies as the largest in the country.

I mean, I'm pretty sure Alltel's a decent carrier; I was a customer of theirs
for a while and they treated me well. :) They're just not "the largest in the
country."

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Rich Barton

2006-08-06, 10:33 am

On Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:24:12 -0700, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
wrote:

>Crossposted into alt.cellular.alltel...
>
>bigdaddyek82 wrote:
>
>America's largest wireless network? I doubt it.
>
>One of the largest, to be sure. But let's look at company history:
>
>(a) Alltel started as a company that only serviced landlines in rural and a
>few smaller metro areas. Their wireless coverage initially continued that trend.
>
>(b) Through mergers and acquisitions, they got bigger. They also swapped some
>markets with Verizon. They also got a couple markets as a result of the
>merger that created Verizon; for example, my hometown, which already had
>AirTouch Cellular flipping to Verizon Wireless. Alltel got Cleveland's old
>GTE Mobilnet network.
>
>(c) The biggest deal was their recent purchase of Western Wireless, owner of
>the CellularONE brand. They were already reasonably large by then, but that
>deal added a decent amount of real estate.
>
>(d) Yet even now, although they *are* now a major player, they don't service
>any of the three biggest markets. Nothing in NYC, nothing in Los Angeles,
>nothing in Chicago. Not only do they not serve Los Angeles, they have no
>coverage in California at all. The closest location to my house where I can
>use Alltel's network is the Grand Canyon, a few hundred miles away from here.
>
>I have a problem believing that a cell carrier not serving *any* part of
>California qualifies as the largest in the country.
>
>I mean, I'm pretty sure Alltel's a decent carrier; I was a customer of theirs
>for a while and they treated me well. :) They're just not "the largest in the
>country."

I believe "the largest" claim is based on square miles of service area
provided, not based on number of customers served. With t he purchase
of Western Wireless, Alltel gained a lot of real estate and if cows
ever start using cell phones, Alltel's customer count could end up
being the largest. In the mean time, they are getting a good deal of
revenue from roamers becauses they are the only carrier in some of the
more desolate areas of our western states.

GeorgeB

2006-08-06, 3:33 pm

On Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:24:12 -0700, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
wrote:

>(d) Yet even now, although they *are* now a major player, they don't service
>any of the three biggest markets. Nothing in NYC, nothing in Los Angeles,
>nothing in Chicago. Not only do they not serve Los Angeles, they have no
>coverage in California at all. The closest location to my house where I can
>use Alltel's network is the Grand Canyon, a few hundred miles away from here.
>
>I have a problem believing that a cell carrier not serving *any* part of
>California qualifies as the largest in the country.

They are almost "joined at the hip" with Verizon; I've had no trouble
with my Alltel phone, no charge for roaming on the older NF plan which
allowed paid-for roaming, in LA, San Diego, San Francisco, Sacramento,
Fresno. I DID have trouble in South Lake Tahoe.

George

Steve Sobol

2006-08-06, 10:33 pm

nielloeb@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> It's not their network that is the largest, it's their coverage
> (through other networks).

So to make the claim whats-his-name made is, strictly speaking, inaccurate.
Since the person making the claim sells for Alltel, I would recommend that he
be a little more careful about such claims in the future.

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Noodles Doesnt Matter

2006-08-08, 4:33 am

On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 18:06:29 -0700, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
wrote:

>nielloeb@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>So to make the claim whats-his-name made is, strictly speaking, inaccurate.
>Since the person making the claim sells for Alltel, I would recommend that he
>be a little more careful about such claims in the future.
I read on the Alltel web site that they purchase their roaming
services from Sprint/Nextel.

Steve Sobol

2006-08-08, 4:33 am

Noodles Doesnt Matter wrote:
> On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 18:06:29 -0700, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
> wrote:
>
> I read on the Alltel web site that they purchase their roaming
> services from Sprint/Nextel.

Some, probably. But Alltel's biggest roaming partnership is with Verizon
Wireless, unless the big roaming agreements they signed a few years ago
expired and weren't renewed.

But the claim is still inaccurate. :)

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Larry

2006-08-08, 4:33 am

Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in
news:eb94bp$jt4$1@ja
miebaillie.com:

> Some, probably. But Alltel's biggest roaming partnership is with
> Verizon Wireless, unless the big roaming agreements they signed a few
> years ago expired and weren't renewed.
>
> But the claim is still inaccurate. :)
>
> --
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> Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
>
> It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living
> room.
>
>

Did OnStar figure out how to get the signalling tones the cars use through
the low res crappy CDMA/GSM audio codecs good enough for the decoders to
reliably open the doors in the country, yet?

I heard the tones got too much intermod distortion from the poorly encoded
audio. The tones are nearly as high frequency as the sampling rates!

Patrick Q

2006-08-19, 12:33 pm

"Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
news:eb3mne$sv7$1@ja
miebaillie.com...
> Crossposted into alt.cellular.alltel...
>
> bigdaddyek82 wrote:
>
> America's largest wireless network? I doubt it.
>
> One of the largest, to be sure. But let's look at company history:
>
> (a) Alltel started as a company that only serviced landlines in rural and
> a
> few smaller metro areas. Their wireless coverage initially continued that
> trend.
>
> (b) Through mergers and acquisitions, they got bigger. They also swapped
> some
> markets with Verizon. They also got a couple markets as a result of the
> merger that created Verizon; for example, my hometown, which already had
> AirTouch Cellular flipping to Verizon Wireless. Alltel got Cleveland's old
> GTE Mobilnet network.
>
> (c) The biggest deal was their recent purchase of Western Wireless, owner
> of
> the CellularONE brand. They were already reasonably large by then, but
> that
> deal added a decent amount of real estate.
>
> (d) Yet even now, although they *are* now a major player, they don't
> service
> any of the three biggest markets. Nothing in NYC, nothing in Los Angeles,
> nothing in Chicago. Not only do they not serve Los Angeles, they have no
> coverage in California at all. The closest location to my house where I
> can
> use Alltel's network is the Grand Canyon, a few hundred miles away from
> here.
>
> I have a problem believing that a cell carrier not serving *any* part of
> California qualifies as the largest in the country.
>
> I mean, I'm pretty sure Alltel's a decent carrier; I was a customer of
> theirs
> for a while and they treated me well. :) They're just not "the largest in
> the
> country."
>
>
> --
> Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl **
> Linux/*BSD/Windows
> Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
>
> It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.

They are called ROAMING AGREEMENTS! Alltel may not have towers in NYC, but
they have roaming agreements with those who do.... Cripes. If you don't
like them, quit....

Steve Sobol

2006-08-19, 12:33 pm

Patrick Q wrote:

> They are called ROAMING AGREEMENTS! Alltel may not have towers in NYC, but
> they have roaming agreements with those who do.... Cripes. If you don't
> like them, quit....

WTF are you talking about?

(a) I don't have a problem with roaming agreements.

(b) I don't use Alltel. Look at my signature; I live in California. What part
of "Alltel doesn't offer service in California" did you fail to understand?

(b2) Since I don't use Alltel, I can't leave Alltel.

(c) I was just commenting, not complaining. I have no problem with Alltel.
Alltel's marketing has absolutely no effect on which wireless carrier I
choose. Jeez. It's as if I said "Alltel sucks" and now everyone is bashing me :)

(d) Switch to decaf! :)

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Larry

2006-08-19, 12:33 pm

"Patrick Q" <hamptony2k@hotmail.com> wrote in news:oEGFg.911721$084.872918
@attbi_s22:
[color=darkred]

Wonder if Stevie has Verizon Stock or feels threatened in some way from
Alltel's stupid advertising....??

They all suck. But, I find Alltel seems to suck less than VZW did and they
lie to you a LOT less.

Happiness is watching the Verizon sales girl talking to Japan on your Skype
phone on free wifi or Verizon's Aircard....(c;

Steve Sobol

2006-08-19, 3:33 pm

Larry wrote:
> "Patrick Q" <hamptony2k@hotmail.com> wrote in news:oEGFg.911721$084.872918
> @attbi_s22:
>
>
> Wonder if Stevie has Verizon Stock or feels threatened in some way from
> Alltel's stupid advertising....??

Hey Larry. Patrick went off on me, not the other way around. As I mentioned,
I have no problem with Alltel. I even liked them back when I was using them.
Not that you need a valid reason to attack me; you'll do it anyhow. You lost
all credibility with me a while back when you insisted I was affiliated with
Mossad and launched into a cute little anti-Semitic rant.

> They all suck. But, I find Alltel seems to suck less than VZW did and they
> lie to you a LOT less.

I don't own any stock; I don't trust the stock market. Is there any
particular reason you're so hellbent on defending Alltel?

All I did was say that the claim is inaccurate. That's all I've ever said,
and apparently you and Patrick are alarmed by this. And a couple other people
too, who want to argue with me that Carrier X's native network includes
roaming areas.

Oh yeah, Larry, and: http://stevesobol.com/goodbye_vzw/

Still want to insist that I'm a Verizon shill? Or do you just want to slam me
because I'm supposedly a member of the Israeli secret police?

I give credit where it's due, and offer negative feedback when it's warranted.

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Larry

2006-08-19, 3:33 pm

Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in news:ec7i5u$345$1
@posting.glorb.com:

> a cute little anti-Semitic rant.
>

Anti-semitic (sic)....no...

Anti ISRAELI.....yes...

There IS a difference....but on each side of the Israeli wall it's hard to
tell, what with all the apartheid and genocide Israel is involved with.

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Steve Sobol

2006-08-19, 10:33 pm

Larry wrote:
> Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in news:ec7i5u$345$1
> @posting.glorb.com:
>
>
> Anti-semitic (sic)....no...

sic? That was proper spelling and usage...

> Anti ISRAELI.....yes...
>
> There IS a difference....but on each side of the Israeli wall it's hard to
> tell, what with all the apartheid and genocide Israel is involved with.

Israeli != Jewish. I thank you for understanding that.

But Larry, you've made slurs against Jews too. And you made a big mistake in
assuming I blindly agree with everything Israel does simply because I'm
Jewish. Should I point people to another part of the rant in question, with
proof that you have a problem with Jews, or shall I stop now?

I mean, who exactly do you think you are? Are you some guy I've known for
years, that you are safe in assuming exactly what I'm thinking? You don't
even know me.

OK. You have a boner for Verizon Wireless. That's your choice. You think VZW
sucks for various reasons. You are certainly welcome to your opinion. But you
have a habit of (sometimes) slamming people who argue with you, in very
unpleasant ways... hardly a way to win an argument. You've done it to me more
than once, and that has led to my decision to ignore most of what you say,
even if I agree with some of it. (And, by the way, I do occasionally agree
with you.)

If you want to debate me, please, by all means, go ahead! Slamming my
religion, or slamming me because you believe I hold certain political
beliefs, isn't necessary. (Especially when you have no way of knowing for
sure that I hold those beliefs.)

One more thing. I've gotten huffy with you, and your reply has been to whine
that I'm insulting you. If this is such a problem, perhaps you should look at
some of the things you've said to me, and stop being a hypocrite.

I've fought with plenty of trolls in the almost 17 years I've been on Usenet.
Unlike most of their posts, I actually find some of your posts informative
and useful. It's too bad so many of them contain so much vitriol and so
little content.

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The Ghost of General Lee

2006-08-19, 10:33 pm

On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:36:09 -0700, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
wrote:

>Larry wrote:
>
>Hey Larry. Patrick went off on me, not the other way around. As I mentioned,
>I have no problem with Alltel. I even liked them back when I was using them.
>Not that you need a valid reason to attack me; you'll do it anyhow. You lost
>all credibility with me a while back when you insisted I was affiliated with
>Mossad and launched into a cute little anti-Semitic rant.
>

So everyone reading this thread will know what you're referring to,
here's the original thread:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt....12ad42
c3

Notan

2006-08-19, 10:33 pm

Steve Sobol wrote:
>
> Larry wrote:
>
> sic? That was proper spelling and usage...
>
>
> Israeli != Jewish. I thank you for understanding that.
>
> <snip>

We are having sarcasm, right?

Notan

Steve Sobol

2006-08-19, 10:33 pm

Notan wrote:

> We are having sarcasm, right?

Not all Israelis are Jews.

Has *everyone* forgotten that Judaism is not the only religion for which
Israel is important?

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Notan

2006-08-19, 10:33 pm

Steve Sobol wrote:
>
> Notan wrote:
>
>
> Not all Israelis are Jews.

I thought you were saying they ARE!

Notan

Steve Sobol

2006-08-20, 12:33 pm

Notan wrote:

> I thought you were saying they ARE!

Nope. I think that's what most people think, but I was serious. There are
Christian and Muslim contingents there, although the majority of Israelis are
Jewish, as evidenced by the fact that most of the cities shut down on Friday
evening (at the start of the Jewish Sabbath).

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Steve Sobol

2006-08-20, 12:33 pm

Steve Sobol wrote:

>
> Nope. I think that's what most people think, but I was serious. There are
> Christian and Muslim contingents there, although the majority of Israelis are
> Jewish, as evidenced by the fact that most of the cities shut down on Friday
> evening (at the start of the Jewish Sabbath).

Incidentally, Larry, now that I have offered to provide proof of what you
said, you seem to have stopped replying to me. It *is* Sunday, so I'll give
you a couple days. I don't necessarily expect you to be online right now.

It's just that, if you're going to attack my credibility, yours had better be
squeaky clean, because if it isn't, I'm going to let everyone know. :)

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Notan

2006-08-20, 12:33 pm

Steve Sobol wrote:
>
> Notan wrote:
>
>
> Nope. I think that's what most people think, but I was serious. There are
> Christian and Muslim contingents there, although the majority of Israelis are
> Jewish, as evidenced by the fact that most of the cities shut down on Friday
> evening (at the start of the Jewish Sabbath).

You're absolutely correct... Most people equate Israel with Judaism and,
with idiots like Mel shooting off his mouth, the fallacy is perpetuated.

Notan

CharlesH

2006-08-20, 10:33 pm

Larry wrote:
> Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in
> news:eb94bp$jt4$1@ja
miebaillie.com:
>
> Did OnStar figure out how to get the signalling tones the cars use through
> the low res crappy CDMA/GSM audio codecs good enough for the decoders to
> reliably open the doors in the country, yet?
>
> I heard the tones got too much intermod distortion from the poorly encoded
> audio. The tones are nearly as high frequency as the sampling rates!

Don't know specifically what they use, but why wouldn't they just use a
data connection rather than trying to force tones over a CDMA voice
connection?

Mij Adyaw

2006-08-21, 4:33 am

I am also anitsemantac. It means that I don't like Peter Norton. :-)

Notan

2006-08-21, 10:33 am

Mij Adyaw wrote:
>
> I am also anitsemantac. It means that I don't like Peter Norton. :-)

Nice! <g>

Notan

Steven J. Sobol

2006-08-29, 4:33 am

In article < crvbd21ha406n0js3e4b
24e9u9ppm9smha@4ax.com>, Rich Barton wrote:

> I believe "the largest" claim is based on square miles of service area
> provided, not based on number of customers served. With t he purchase
> of Western Wireless, Alltel gained a lot of real estate and if cows
> ever start using cell phones, Alltel's customer count could end up
> being the largest. In the mean time, they are getting a good deal of
> revenue from roamers becauses they are the only carrier in some of the
> more desolate areas of our western states.

Hey Rich! How's Cleveland? I grew up there and just moved out here three
years ago. I just subscsribed, good thing too, because otherwise I would
not have read your post.

By square miles, yes, the claim makes sense.

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Steven J. Sobol

2006-08-29, 4:33 am

In article < n2bcd21mne7io545m7jg
6iq80kpqtmpc6m@4ax.com>, GeorgeB wrote:

> They are almost "joined at the hip" with Verizon; I've had no trouble
> with my Alltel phone, no charge for roaming on the older NF plan which
> allowed paid-for roaming, in LA, San Diego, San Francisco, Sacramento,
> Fresno. I DID have trouble in South Lake Tahoe.

Yes. Verizon and Alltel have sweet roaming agreements. I've commented on
the roaming issue earlier in the thread.

I am not claiming Alltel phones won't work in California... not at all. Just
that they do not have a network here. Alltel does not have a native network
anywhere in Cali.

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Morty McSnerd

2006-10-12, 12:33 pm

At one time it was mentioned in this thread that Alltel was the provider for
OnStar. I called alltel tech support (611) and they said my onstar cell
phone could be setup with Alltell, my current cell phone provider, but I
would have to go to the local Alltel sales store to get it done.
Unfortunately the Alltel tech support and the local alltel shop(s) in
Wyoming are not communicating. The local shop(s) say that Alltel is NOT the
provider for Onstar nor is there anything they can do to get the onstar/gm
cell phone set up and working on an alltel account (inspite of what national
tech support said). They say I can't use the built in GM Cell phone, and I
need to buy a new cell phone to add it to my existing cell phone account
with presently is 4 cell phones. It seems all the people want to do in thier
local shops is sell "plans". The existing GM cell phone is working just fine
through onstar on the national account through GM on onstar's system but
after my first 30 minutes are used up, they want a credit card to charge
call to, which sounds quite expensive. Since it is a vehicle I use in my
business I want billed through my business account.

Has anyone actually go thier Onstar cell phone working through a normal
account with Alltel and is using it now? and if so, what did you do to get
it set up?

It seems all the local outlets for Alltel in Wyoming don't know and/or care
about much more than selling a "plan" with a new phone.

If some one is actually using thier Onstar through a "regular" alltel plan,
I'd really like to hear from them and how they accomplished the feat.

Larry

2006-10-12, 3:33 pm

"Morty McSnerd" < president@whitehouse
.gov> wrote in
news:452e732b$0$3567
$815e3792@news.qwest.net:

> If some one is actually using thier Onstar through a "regular" alltel
> plan, I'd really like to hear from them and how they accomplished the
> feat.
>
>
>

Onstar uses Verizon Wireless in SC, and I'm sure most of the rest of the
country. It's also proprietary, I'm sure, to Onstar's system. Does your
Onstar have a display and dialing pad? How would you make calls with the
Onstar button without an operator??

I agree with your Alltel store. They'll give you a free phone you don't
have to leave in the car. Onstar is on the old AMPS analog system that may
go dark in 2008. As it's not compatible with GPS/CDMA, I'm amazed they'd
even discuss it with you.

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Steven J. Sobol

2006-10-14, 10:33 pm

In article < Xns985A9B8ABF0E9noon
ehomecom@208.49.80.253>, Larry wrote:

> Onstar uses Verizon Wireless in SC, and I'm sure most of the rest of the
> country. It's also proprietary, I'm sure, to Onstar's system. Does your
> Onstar have a display and dialing pad? How would you make calls with the
> Onstar button without an operator??

Ummmm.

Maybe the same way my phones' voicemail buttons work? You know, the ones that
dial *86 on Verizon or 123 on T-Mobile? I'm sure that's all the buttons do.

> I agree with your Alltel store. They'll give you a free phone you don't
> have to leave in the car. Onstar is on the old AMPS analog system that may
> go dark in 2008. As it's not compatible with GPS/CDMA, I'm amazed they'd
> even discuss it with you.

This is a lie, it's been proven to you that it's a lie, yet you're sticking
to it. OnStar is no longer all analog, although some older OnStar systems may
still use it.

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Larry

2006-10-14, 10:33 pm

"Steven J. Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in
news:slrnej2sjn.bbo.sjsobol@amethyst.justthe.net:

> This is a lie, it's been proven to you that it's a lie, yet you're
> sticking to it. OnStar is no longer all analog, although some older
> OnStar systems may still use it.
>

Is Onstar now 200mw CDMA units? How do they send all the signalling over
such a shitty audio link? Is there a separate data channel?? The reason
for the AMPS was it handles the signalling tones without, of course, the
awful low-res audio codec distortions, AMPS being on FM.

Hell, crypto voice works great over AMPS....

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Steven J. Sobol

2006-10-15, 10:33 pm

In article < Xns985CDEECC7706noon
ehomecom@208.49.80.253>, Larry wrote:

> Is Onstar now 200mw CDMA units?

I don't recall whether it's CDMA or GSM. The OnStar site might not have
said which technology they're using. They do say they're digital now, and
given a choice between believing someone who has an axe to grind and has
no association with the company or the service... or believing the company
that provides the service... I'll believe the company.

Google the cellular newsgroups - there is a link, but I don't recall which
group it was posted to.

> Hell, crypto voice works great over AMPS....

Thanks. I'll file that information away for later use.

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The Ghost of General Lee

2006-10-15, 10:33 pm

On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:48:44 +0000 (UTC), "Steven J. Sobol"
<sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:

>Google the cellular newsgroups - there is a link, but I don't recall which
>group it was posted to.

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