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Re: Nayas Admits Errors, Promises to Be Honest Going Forward, Switches to Verizon

John Navas

2006-04-11, 5:48 pm

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In < l69m325fhs6ujktb8to7
ie5sscrv4c062v@4ax.com> on Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:44:07
-0700, kashe@sonic.net wrote:

>On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 06:21:28 GMT, DecaturTxCowboy
><forgetit@bummer.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> For the latest definition of the word cynical, I just heard a
>piece on the radio today where Walmart defends their practice of not
>providing health benefits, preferring instead to refer staff to public
>services -- they say they're providing a valuable serice, because
>otherwise, where would their people get information on the
>availability of valuable services which they (the employees) already
>support throughtheir taxes.
>
> I nearly hurled on the car seat when I heard that.

<http://www.walmartfacts.com/newsdes...heets.aspx#a127>:

Health Care Coverage

Fact: Our health care plan insures full-time and part-time associates
once eligible. Wal-Mart provides insurance to more than 1 million
people and offers up to 18 different plans. Coverage is available for
as little as $11 per month for individuals and 30 cents per day for
children - no matter how many children an associate has.

Unlike many plans, after the first year, the Wal-Mart medical plan
has no lifetime maximum for most expenses, protecting our associates
against catastrophic loss and financial ruin.

Associates enrolled in the Associates’ Medical Plan also have access
to world class health care at the Mayo Clinic, Stanford University
Hospital, Johns Hopkins University Hospital and many other health
care facilities, all without insurance approval.

Regardless, people are of course free to choose some other employer if they
can get a better offer than Walmart, and can increase their chances by
upgrading their skills. For many the alternatives to Walmart are no better,
or even not having a job at all.

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John Navas

2006-04-20, 5:48 pm

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In <MPG. 1eb0945c4f8749609897
9c@News.Individual.Net> on Wed, 19 Apr 2006
19:40:03 -0700, Philip J. Koenig < See_email_@ddress_be
low.This_one_is.invalid>
wrote:

>On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:28:13 GMT, in article <hbw1g.22880$az4.15639@bgtnsc04-
>news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, John Navas writes...

>
>If the jobs are not available, they aren't available.

Either better jobs are available, in which case these people would be working
at WalMart, or they aren't available, in which case WalMart is an attractive
option.

>If
>Walmart, as the largest employer in the world,

It'a actually the largest *private* employer in the *USA*. The world's
largest commercial or utility employer is Indian Railways. And governments
are even larger employers. At least get your "facts" straight.

>only offers
>crappy-paying jobs in an employment-depressed area,

What WalMart actually does is offer competitive jobs in all areas in which it
operates. One example (out of many) is the WalMart in Pleasanton, which is
anything buy "an employment-depressed area". At least get your "facts"
straight.

>then
>they have the ability to drive down the average pay in
>that area,

That's patently ridiculous. If there really was a demand for those workers,
then other employers would be paying them more to attract them away from
WalMart.

>just like a different employer (ie Google) that
>pays above-average wages can similiarly drive up the average
>wage where they do business. (duh)

Duh indeed. Those workers can't qualify for jobs at Google, which is why they
are working at WalMart. Blaming WalMart for that is crazy. The cause of low
wages is the skill level of workers, not anything to do with employers.
Thanks for demonstrating my point.

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Doug Jamal

2006-04-20, 11:48 pm

On 20-Apr-2006, John Navas < spamfilter0@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
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> Duh indeed. Those workers can't qualify for jobs at Google, which is why
> they
> are working at WalMart. Blaming WalMart for that is crazy. The cause of
> low
> wages is the skill level of workers, not anything to do with employers.

<Snipped>

Mr. Navas hit the mark. There is nothing left to be said.
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Just Me, D

Philip J. Koenig

2006-04-21, 5:48 pm

On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 00:40:40 GMT, in article <cSV1g.40$Dv6.20
@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>, Doug Jamal writes...

>
> On 20-Apr-2006, John Navas < spamfilter0@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
> <snipped>
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> <Snipped>
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> Mr. Navas hit the mark. There is nothing left to be said.

Unfortunately the record shows that Walmart's competitors
in the same industry, in the same geographical area, for
the same types of stores pay their employees, on average,
a much higher wage. How do you explain that?

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