Cingular cell phone service - Question for John Navas

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Question for John Navas

Mij Adyaw

2006-07-26, 3:33 pm

John,

You have so many posts here and respond to most inquiries with informative
and useful information. Do you constantly monitor the forum? Do you have
your own cell phone store that sells Cingular service, or are you employed
directly by Cingular to ensure that folks get good information regarding
Cingular phone and service? Inquiring minds want to know.

Regards,

-mij

Thomas T. Veldhouse

2006-07-26, 3:33 pm

Mij Adyaw <mij@thebitbucket.com> wrote:
> John,
>
> You have so many posts here and respond to most inquiries with informative
> and useful information. Do you constantly monitor the forum? Do you have
> your own cell phone store that sells Cingular service, or are you employed
> directly by Cingular to ensure that folks get good information regarding
> Cingular phone and service? Inquiring minds want to know.
>

Mij ... do you consider this a constructive approach ... to whatever it is
that you are approaching?

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Mij Adyaw

2006-07-26, 3:33 pm

It seems that John dedicates a very significant amount of time to replying
to questions and posting information in this newsgroup. I am trying to
understand how he does this. Maybe he is independently wealthy, doesn't have
a day job, or is retired and this newsgoup is a hobby.

"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Mij Adyaw <mij@thebitbucket.com> wrote:
>
> Mij ... do you consider this a constructive approach ... to whatever it is
> that you are approaching?
>
> --
> Thomas T. Veldhouse
> Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1
>
>

John Navas

2006-07-26, 3:33 pm

On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:22:56 -0700, "Mij Adyaw" <mij@TheBitBucket.com>
wrote in <4qOxg.16629$Nv.13091@fed1read10>:

>You have so many posts here and respond to most inquiries with informative
>and useful information. Do you constantly monitor the forum? Do you have
>your own cell phone store that sells Cingular service, or are you employed
>directly by Cingular to ensure that folks get good information regarding
>Cingular phone and service? Inquiring minds want to know.

I have no connection to Cingular other than as a paying customer. I've
gotten a wealth of useful information from Internet, and am
old-fashioned enough to believe in giving back. I'm self-employed with
a fairly irregular schedule, so there are times when I can post
frequently, and times when I can't.

--
Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/ Cingu...less_FA
Q>

Mij Adyaw

2006-07-26, 3:33 pm

John,

Thanks for the clarification. Keep up the good work. :-)

mij

"John Navas" < spamfilter0@navasgro
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> On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:22:56 -0700, "Mij Adyaw" <mij@TheBitBucket.com>
> wrote in <4qOxg.16629$Nv.13091@fed1read10>:
>
>
> I have no connection to Cingular other than as a paying customer. I've
> gotten a wealth of useful information from Internet, and am
> old-fashioned enough to believe in giving back. I'm self-employed with
> a fairly irregular schedule, so there are times when I can post
> frequently, and times when I can't.
>
> --
> Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
> John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/ Cingu...less_FA
Q>

Thomas T. Veldhouse

2006-07-26, 3:33 pm

Mij Adyaw <mij@thebitbucket.com> wrote:
> It seems that John dedicates a very significant amount of time to replying
> to questions and posting information in this newsgroup. I am trying to
> understand how he does this. Maybe he is independently wealthy, doesn't have
> a day job, or is retired and this newsgoup is a hobby.
>
>

Alright ... so what?

You appear to be on a blatant attempt to TROLL.

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Mij Adyaw

2006-07-26, 10:33 pm

There is no Troll here, just a curiosity regarding how John finds the time
to post thousands of messages that promote Cingular and whether he is paid
to do so. If a person is paid and therefore is a shill, then I wouldn't take
any information seriously that was posted by that person. Since he is not a
shill, he has nothing to gain and therefore I would assume that he is
posting credible information based upon experience. He is definitely King of
this newsgroup.

"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Mij Adyaw <mij@thebitbucket.com> wrote:
>
> Alright ... so what?
>
> You appear to be on a blatant attempt to TROLL.
>
> --
> Thomas T. Veldhouse
> Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1
>
>

DecaturTxCowboy

2006-07-26, 10:33 pm

Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> Mij Adyaw <mij@thebitbucket.com> wrote:
>
> Alright ... so what?
>
> You appear to be on a blatant attempt to TROLL.

My take on this is Mij is trying to corner JN into disclosing the
motivation for his agenda.

We already know his agenda includes dismissing anything he can't Google
any supporting evidence as rubbish. We also know he has to show he has a
better deal, phone, service, coverage, etc. than anyone else. You have a
problem - its not a problem in his area (if Media Whatever is down in
New York, he will point out its working in the Bay area, which is
totally meaningless information to the person having the issue). We
further know that his experiences are sufficient proof, even when it
conflicts with Googled evidence. And even further...we know he is not a
telecommunications professional, not even an armature - seeing a
cellular tech working at a cell site and having a conversation with him
does not make one an expert in the industry.

ABC

2006-07-26, 10:33 pm

"DecaturTxCowboy" <nono@no.no> wrote in message
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> Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
>
> My take on this is Mij is trying to corner JN into disclosing the
> motivation for his agenda.
>
> We already know his agenda includes dismissing anything he can't Google
> any supporting evidence as rubbish. We also know he has to show he has a
> better deal, phone, service, coverage, etc. than anyone else. You have a
> problem - its not a problem in his area (if Media Whatever is down in New
> York, he will point out its working in the Bay area, which is totally
> meaningless information to the person having the issue). We further know
> that his experiences are sufficient proof, even when it conflicts with
> Googled evidence. And even further...we know he is not a
> telecommunications professional, not even an armature - seeing a cellular
> tech working at a cell site and having a conversation with him does not
> make one an expert in the industry.

So are you a telecommunications "armature"?

Mij Adyaw

2006-07-26, 10:33 pm

I thought that an "armature" is a part of an electric motor that makes the
thing spin? Maybe I'm wrong. :-)

"ABC" <nospam@swbell.net> wrote in message
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>
> "DecaturTxCowboy" <nono@no.no> wrote in message
> news:3TSxg.73243$fb2.63427@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
>
> So are you a telecommunications "armature"?
>

Scott

2006-07-26, 10:33 pm

"John Navas" < spamfilter0@navasgro
up.com> wrote in message
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>
> I have no connection to Cingular other than as a paying customer.

Sure you are.

> I've
> gotten a wealth of useful information from Internet, and am
> old-fashioned enough to believe in giving back.

Thank you for the admission that you have no practical knowledge in the
areas you post about. That would explain why you are so frequently wrong.

> I'm self-employed with
> a fairly irregular schedule,

Translation- the ice cream truck only runs when he can afford the gas.

> so there are times when I can post
> frequently, and times when I can't.
>

DecaturTxCowboy

2006-07-26, 10:33 pm

ABC wrote:

> So are you a telecommunications "armature"?

No, am a guy that forgot to run spell check.

John Navas

2006-07-26, 10:33 pm

On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:03:23 -0700, "Mij Adyaw" <mij@TheBitBucket.com>
wrote in <LERxg.16644$Nv.12487@fed1read10>:

>There is no Troll here, just a curiosity regarding how John finds the time
>to post thousands of messages that promote Cingular and whether he is paid
>to do so. If a person is paid and therefore is a shill, then I wouldn't take
>any information seriously that was posted by that person. Since he is not a
>shill, he has nothing to gain and therefore I would assume that he is
>posting credible information based upon experience. He is definitely King of
>this newsgroup.

More like chief bottle washer and lightning rod. :)

--
Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/ Cingu...less_FA
Q>

DecaturTxCowboy

2006-07-26, 10:33 pm

Mij Adyaw wrote:
> therefore I would assume that he is
> posting credible information based upon experience.

Like claiming he used Extended GSM off the coast of San Francisco.

> He is definitely King of this newsgroup.

Joker come to mind. Anyone can Google for information, but few have the
opportunity to get hands on technical experience. BTW...JN never did
answer my question of when the last time he opened up a Lucent or Nokia
base station cabinet to do maintenance on it.

Craven Morehead

2006-07-27, 7:33 am

John, you may add to that list, that little known Olympic sport, Javelin
Catching.

From one who has endured the wrath of the "groupies" here and other places,
tis a noble and thankless assignment.

As John Holmes was fond of saying, "keep it up".

"John Navas" < spamfilter0@navasgro
up.com> wrote in message
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4ax.com...
> On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:03:23 -0700, "Mij Adyaw" <mij@TheBitBucket.com>
> wrote in <LERxg.16644$Nv.12487@fed1read10>:
>
>
> More like chief bottle washer and lightning rod. :)
>
> --
> Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
> John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/ Cingu...less_FA
Q>

Thomas T. Veldhouse

2006-07-27, 10:33 am

Mij Adyaw <mij@thebitbucket.com> wrote:
> There is no Troll here, just a curiosity regarding how John finds the time
> to post thousands of messages that promote Cingular and whether he is paid
> to do so. If a person is paid and therefore is a shill, then I wouldn't take
> any information seriously that was posted by that person. Since he is not a
> shill, he has nothing to gain and therefore I would assume that he is
> posting credible information based upon experience. He is definitely King of
> this newsgroup.
>

Sorry Mij ... I still think you are trolling. If John is a shill, you are an
anti-shill ... more appropriately, and anti-John.

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Thomas T. Veldhouse
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Thomas T. Veldhouse

2006-07-27, 10:33 am

DecaturTxCowboy <nono@no.no> wrote:
>
> My take on this is Mij is trying to corner JN into disclosing the
> motivation for his agenda.
>

Nah ... he is calling him out because, Mij is frustrated.

> We already know his agenda includes dismissing anything he can't Google
> any supporting evidence as rubbish. We also know he has to show he has a
> better deal, phone, service, coverage, etc. than anyone else. You have a
> problem - its not a problem in his area (if Media Whatever is down in
> New York, he will point out its working in the Bay area, which is
> totally meaningless information to the person having the issue). We
> further know that his experiences are sufficient proof, even when it
> conflicts with Googled evidence. And even further...we know he is not a
> telecommunications professional, not even an armature - seeing a
> cellular tech working at a cell site and having a conversation with him
> does not make one an expert in the industry.

I think his agenda is two fold. One, it is natural to want to justify your
position on choice of carrier ... and John has chosen Cingular. Second, John
put in the add control request to create this newsgroup and the obvious
CHARTER and FAQ stuff he is always publishing is testament to that.

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Thomas T. Veldhouse
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Thomas T. Veldhouse

2006-07-27, 10:33 am

DecaturTxCowboy <nono@no.no> wrote:
> ABC wrote:
>
>
> No, am a guy that forgot to run spell check.

Apparently it doesn't matter, as you spelled "armature" correctly.

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Mij Adyaw

2006-07-27, 10:33 am

No Troll here. As I said, I just wanted to determine if he is a shill so
that I know if the information that he posts has any credibility. He
dominates this newsgroup and therefore this is information that needs to be
public; in fact, he should put it in the newsgroup FAQ so that folks won't
have to wonder.

mij

"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Mij Adyaw <mij@thebitbucket.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry Mij ... I still think you are trolling. If John is a shill, you are
> an
> anti-shill ... more appropriately, and anti-John.
>
> --
> Thomas T. Veldhouse
> Key Fingerprint: 2DB9 813F F510 82C2 E1AE 34D0 D69D 1EDC D5EC AED1
>
>

Jack Zwick

2006-07-27, 10:33 am

In article <M03yg.16659$Nv.10700@fed1read10>,
"Mij Adyaw" <mij@TheBitBucket.com> wrote:

> No Troll here. As I said, I just wanted to determine if he is a shill so
> that I know if the information that he posts has any credibility. He
> dominates this newsgroup and therefore this is information that needs to be
> public; in fact, he should put it in the newsgroup FAQ so that folks won't
> have to wonder.

I have him filtered out, and this newsgroup is far more readable as a
result.

Mij Adyaw

2006-07-27, 10:33 am

John don't get no respect. Just like Rodney Dangerfield. :-)

"Jack Zwick" <jackzwick@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> In article <M03yg.16659$Nv.10700@fed1read10>,
> "Mij Adyaw" <mij@TheBitBucket.com> wrote:
>
>
> I have him filtered out, and this newsgroup is far more readable as a
> result.

SMS

2006-07-27, 10:33 am

Jack Zwick wrote:
> In article <M03yg.16659$Nv.10700@fed1read10>,
> "Mij Adyaw" <mij@TheBitBucket.com> wrote:
>
>
> I have him filtered out, and this newsgroup is far more readable as a
> result.

Unfortunately, there isn't any news reader program that can be
configured to filter out all posts of a thread that was started by a
particular person. So while many people have filtered out Navas, there
are still some that feel compelled to respond to his misinformation, and
these posts all still show up, affecting the readability of the newsgroup.

If anyone knows of a newsreader with more extensive filtering capability
than Outlook or Thunderbird, I'd like to know about it.

Thomas T. Veldhouse

2006-07-27, 3:33 pm

Mij Adyaw <mij@thebitbucket.com> wrote:
> No Troll here. As I said, I just wanted to determine if he is a shill so
> that I know if the information that he posts has any credibility. He
> dominates this newsgroup and therefore this is information that needs to be
> public; in fact, he should put it in the newsgroup FAQ so that folks won't
> have to wonder.
>

I would believe you if you had asked an honest question, but your question was
100% rhetorical ... you knew full well the answer.

Just say you are sorry and kiss up ...

--
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Thomas T. Veldhouse

2006-07-27, 3:33 pm

Jack Zwick <jackzwick@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <M03yg.16659$Nv.10700@fed1read10>,
> "Mij Adyaw" <mij@TheBitBucket.com> wrote:
>
>
> I have him filtered out, and this newsgroup is far more readable as a
> result.

That is what the people over in Sprint PCS said of you ...

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DecaturTxCowboy

2006-07-27, 3:33 pm

Mij Adyaw wrote:
> John don't get no respect. Just like Rodney Dangerfield. :-)

But Dangerfield overdid his dead file. <snicker>

John Navas

2006-07-27, 10:33 pm

On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:30:18 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in < 44c8dc13$0$96203$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:

>Jack Zwick wrote:
>
>Unfortunately, there isn't any news reader program that can be
>configured to filter out all posts of a thread that was started by a
>particular person. So while many people have filtered out Navas, there
>are still some that feel compelled to respond to his misinformation, and
>these posts all still show up, affecting the readability of the newsgroup.
>
>If anyone knows of a newsreader with more extensive filtering capability
>than Outlook or Thunderbird, I'd like to know about it.

NNTP (Usenet news) proxy module for POPFile
<http://sourceforge.net/project/show...lease_id=195560> is both
effective and practical.

--
Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/ Cingu...less_FA
Q>

Scott

2006-07-27, 10:33 pm

"John Navas" < spamfilter0@navasgro
up.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:03:23 -0700, "Mij Adyaw" <mij@TheBitBucket.com>
> wrote in <LERxg.16644$Nv.12487@fed1read10>:
>
>
> More like chief bottle washer and lightning rod. :)
>

More like chief rumor monger and supplier of inaccurate and false
information.

Scott

2006-07-27, 10:33 pm

"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Jack Zwick <jackzwick@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> That is what the people over in Sprint PCS said of you ...
>
> --

Touche.

John Navas

2006-07-27, 10:33 pm

Thanks. :)

On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:12:00 -0400, "Craven Morehead"
<cmorehead@hotmail.com> wrote in
<T32yg.24656$Nt.18504@bignews8.bellsouth.net>:
[color=darkred]
>John, you may add to that list, that little known Olympic sport, Javelin
>Catching.
>
>From one who has endured the wrath of the "groupies" here and other places,
>tis a noble and thankless assignment.
>
>As John Holmes was fond of saying, "keep it up".
>
>"John Navas" < spamfilter0@navasgro
up.com> wrote in message
> news:l1bgc2lhvlp04je
ad08gcjjopdh9ikpn30@
4ax.com...

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Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/ Cingu...less_FA
Q>

Mij Adyaw

2006-07-27, 10:33 pm

Like I said, John just don't get no respect. Doesn't anyone have something
good to say about him?

"Scott" <how.do@you.do> wrote in message
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>
> "John Navas" < spamfilter0@navasgro
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> news:l1bgc2lhvlp04je
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>
> More like chief rumor monger and supplier of inaccurate and false
> information.
>

Jack Zwick

2006-07-28, 7:33 am

In article < Iq2dnYPBMovlwVTZnZ2d
nUVZ_u-dnZ2d@adelphia.com>,
"Scott" <how.do@you.do> wrote:
[color=darkred]
>
> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:pg7yg.39153$tk3.197@fe67.usenetserver.com...

Of few of the Sprint shills did that 3 and 2 years ago when I posted
the Results of JD Power, Consumer Reports and Yankee Group surveys,
which consistantly then, and still to this day list Sprint LAST in
Customer Service. They struggled to spin the results, and finally "if
you dont like the message, attack the messenger" the sprint newsgroup,
still to this day is rife with personal attacks.

Its one thing to filter because you dont like the name calling people
descend to, its another to filter because you don't like their message,
I am always happy to be judged by any enemies I have made.

Sprint is stuck using 1900 Mhz and their CDMA phones get hot in any
conversation over a few minutes,
and repeated cycles of heating like that makes many models of their
phones (especially Sanyo and Samsung) have short life spans.

Their CSRs (with still long wait times to get to) have rigid rules of 6
minute "handle times" with upsell quotas, which makes for unhappy
experiences if you need support.

Seems like very time Sprint needs to have good results for a quarterly
SEC report, they sell some of their towers for a cash infusion.

==

I switched to Cingular 2 years ago and never regretted it for a second,
getting quality Motorola and Sony equipment AND I now have thousands of
rollover minutes banked. Calls to a CSR have NEVER experienced a long
wait time in the 2 years I've been with Cingular, and its far less of a
problem getting a call escalated if necessary. Having a SIM made my
upgrade this year from a Motorola v600 to a Sony W600i instantaneous,
it only took a request to get a FREE upgrade to a 64K SIM from Cingular
last year.
Did I mention voice quality is better with GSM than CDMA?

Cingular is not perfect as Navas might have you believe but it is heads
and shoulders above Sprint. My son in Los Angeles switched from Sprint
to Cingular and no longer has to go outdoors for a signal (just east of
Culver City) near Shakeys. He loves his V3, as well he should. Its such
a good solid phone that Motorola has now sold 50,000,000 of them. That
presents an advantage one NEVER has with any Sprint phone. One can find
myriad support on the web from users worldwide. Like complete
illustrated instructions for synching it with the bluetooth in his new
2006 Prius. His brother used similar instructions in his 2004 Prius when
he switched from Verizon (no blue tooth at the time, and messed up
billing) to Cingular. He's now awaiting a GSM Moto Q, as he wants the
enter key on the ASDFG line, not the ZXCVB line most smart phones use.

Cingular has effectively raised their prices since their merger with
ATTWS, giving fewer minutes at the price point I'm at, and ending Night
calling at 6 AM, rather than the 7 AM I have. Totally contrary to what
they promised the FCC and the FTC prior to the merger. They then said
prices wouldn't rise. Their spin now is that prices haven't risen if you
kept your 2004 plan.

Thomas T. Veldhouse

2006-07-28, 10:33 am

Jack Zwick <jackzwick@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Of few of the Sprint shills did that 3 and 2 years ago when I posted
> the Results of JD Power, Consumer Reports and Yankee Group surveys,
> which consistantly then, and still to this day list Sprint LAST in

People didn't dislike you because you posted JD Powers quotes that anybody can
find. People disliked you because you changed your ID constantly to avoid
filtering and you used sockpuppets to pretend to have somebody to support your
arguments when you had no other support. You used to use the name Phillipe
and then you created a sockpuppet called Richard who chimed in to support
Phillipe. You created him under false pretenses and, for that, you lost all
credibility and were no longer welcome.

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Jack Zwick

2006-07-28, 10:33 am

In article <ZZ- dnUf6geq8wVTZnZ2dnUV
Z_rudnZ2d@adelphia.com>,
"Scott" <how.do@you.do> wrote:

>
> "John Navas" < spamfilter0@navasgro
up.com> wrote in message
> news:l1bgc2lhvlp04je
ad08gcjjopdh9ikpn30@
4ax.com...
>
> More like chief rumor monger and supplier of inaccurate and false
> information.

I have found Navas web site info on setting up Cingular phones for
Internet connectivity helpful.

I also remember when he posted ringtones there for a while, then argued
when others pointed out it likely was violating copyrights, he argued
strongly, but quietly pulled them 2 weeks later.

pltrgyst

2006-07-28, 10:33 am

On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:19:55 -0700, "Mij Adyaw" <mij@TheBitBucket.com> wrote:

>Like I said, John just don't get no respect. Doesn't anyone have something
>good to say about him?

He cares about the subject, and he contributes regularly. He doesn't embark on
personal diatribes, and he's generally polite. His conduct is generally more
mature than the mostly juvenile cell phone newsgroups' populations.

That's what makes USEnet successful, and it's true of less than 1% of the USEnet
population, btw.

He's not infallible, but then neither is anyone else here.

-- Larry

John Navas

2006-07-28, 10:33 am

On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:13:11 GMT, Jack Zwick <jackzwick@yahoo.com> wrote
in <jackzwick-733995. 08132128072006@newsc
lstr02.news.prodigy.com>:

>I also remember when he posted ringtones there for a while, then argued
>when others pointed out it likely was violating copyrights, he argued
>strongly, but quietly pulled them 2 weeks later.

Not true. Check your facts.

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Mij Adyaw

2006-07-28, 12:33 pm

Good assessment.

"pltrgyst" < pltrgyst@spamlessxho
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> On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:19:55 -0700, "Mij Adyaw" <mij@TheBitBucket.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> He cares about the subject, and he contributes regularly. He doesn't
> embark on
> personal diatribes, and he's generally polite. His conduct is generally
> more
> mature than the mostly juvenile cell phone newsgroups' populations.
>
> That's what makes USEnet successful, and it's true of less than 1% of the
> USEnet
> population, btw.
>
> He's not infallible, but then neither is anyone else here.
>
> -- Larry
>

Thomas T. Veldhouse

2006-07-28, 12:33 pm

Mij Adyaw <mij@thebitbucket.com> wrote:
> Good assessment.
>

Somehow I think you are not included in his 1% .... considering your starting
of this thread.

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Thomas T. Veldhouse

2006-07-28, 12:33 pm

John Navas < spamfilter0@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:13:11 GMT, Jack Zwick <jackzwick@yahoo.com> wrote
> in <jackzwick-733995. 08132128072006@newsc
lstr02.news.prodigy.com>:
>
>
> Not true. Check your facts.
>

Out of curiosity ... what are they?

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SMS

2006-07-28, 12:33 pm

Jack Zwick wrote:

> I also remember when he posted ringtones there for a while, then argued
> when others pointed out it likely was violating copyrights, he argued
> strongly, but quietly pulled them 2 weeks later.

When he pulled them down, he claimed that he was 'freeing up web space,'
LOL.

John Navas

2006-07-28, 3:33 pm

On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:32:21 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in < 44ca4a25$0$96159$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:

>Jack Zwick wrote:
>
>
>When he pulled them down, he claimed that he was 'freeing up web space,'

I actually put them back up when asked to do so.

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John Navas

2006-07-28, 3:33 pm

On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:15:20 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
<veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote in
<ICryg.14436$RB4.10990@fe75.usenetserver.com>:

>John Navas < spamfilter0@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
>
>Out of curiosity ... what are they?

"Google is your friend."

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Thomas T. Veldhouse

2006-07-28, 3:33 pm

John Navas < spamfilter0@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:15:20 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
> <veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote in
> <ICryg.14436$RB4.10990@fe75.usenetserver.com>:
>
>
> "Google is your friend."
>

I did a casual google and didn't see it. Googling your name is futile as
there are probably millions of hits. Since you know, please save me the time.

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John Navas

2006-07-28, 3:33 pm

On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 18:41:06 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
<veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote in
<6Tsyg.29845$iv2.24669@fe26.usenetserver.com>:

>John Navas < spamfilter0@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
>
>I did a casual google and didn't see it. Googling your name is futile as
>there are probably millions of hits. Since you know, please save me the time.

Sorry, but I don't have the time either.

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Scott

2006-07-28, 10:33 pm

"Jack Zwick" <jackzwick@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Of few of the Sprint shills did that 3 and 2 years ago when I posted
> the Results of JD Power, Consumer Reports and Yankee Group surveys,
> which consistantly then, and still to this day list Sprint LAST in
> Customer Service. They struggled to spin the results, and finally "if
> you dont like the message, attack the messenger" the sprint newsgroup,
> still to this day is rife with personal attacks.

Funny- I just looked over in the Sprint PCS group- I see no spiinning of any
type going on. Try agin, Philly.

>
> Its one thing to filter because you dont like the name calling people
> descend to, its another to filter because you don't like their message,
> I am always happy to be judged by any enemies I have made.

What about those of us that filtered you because you make things up (see
below).

>
> Sprint is stuck using 1900 Mhz and their CDMA phones get hot in any
> conversation over a few minutes,

Not true.

> and repeated cycles of heating like that makes many models of their
> phones (especially Sanyo and Samsung) have short life spans.

Again, not true.

>
> Their CSRs (with still long wait times to get to) have rigid rules of 6
> minute "handle times" with upsell quotas, which makes for unhappy
> experiences if you need support.

Again, not true.

>
> Seems like very time Sprint needs to have good results for a quarterly
> SEC report, they sell some of their towers for a cash infusion.

Again, not true.

Jack Zwick

2006-07-29, 4:33 am

In article <GsKdnZd- idCcWFfZnZ2dnUVZ_oad
nZ2d@adelphia.com>,
"Scott" <how.do@you.do> wrote:

> "Jack Zwick" <jackzwick@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:jackzwick-F43DDD. 06482928072006@newsc
lstr02.news.prodigy.com...
>
>
> Funny- I just looked over in the Sprint PCS group- I see no spiinning of any
> type going on.

A shill would say that
>
>
>
> Not true.

Absolutely true.

http://www.mobiletechnews.com/info/.../30/023251.html
>
>
> Not true.

Absolutely true.

http://www.sprintpcsinfo.com/module...article&sid=516
>
>
> Not true.

Absolutely true

http://searchcrm.techtarget.com/ori...i11
93471
,00.html
>
>
> Not true.

Absolutely true,

http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2...41129027996.htm

and of course you snipped out the advantages of Cingular.

A Sprint shill WOULD do that.

==

I switched to Cingular 2 years ago and never regretted it for a second,
getting quality Motorola and Sony equipment AND I now have thousands of
rollover minutes banked. Calls to a CSR have NEVER experienced a long
wait time in the 2 years I've been with Cingular, and its far less of a
problem getting a call escalated if necessary. Having a SIM made my
upgrade this year from a Motorola v600 to a Sony W600i instantaneous,
it only took a request to get a FREE upgrade to a 64K SIM from Cingular
last year.
Did I mention voice quality is better with GSM than CDMA?

Cingular is not perfect as Navas might have you believe but it is heads
and shoulders above Sprint. My son in Los Angeles switched from Sprint
to Cingular and no longer has to go outdoors for a signal (just east of
Culver City) near Shakeys. He loves his V3, as well he should. Its such
a good solid phone that Motorola has now sold 50,000,000 of them. That
presents an advantage one NEVER has with any Sprint phone. One can find
myriad support on the web from users worldwide. Like complete
illustrated instructions for synching it with the bluetooth in his new
2006 Prius. His brother used similar instructions in his 2004 Prius when
he switched from Verizon (no blue tooth at the time, and messed up
billing) to Cingular. He's now awaiting a GSM Moto Q, as he wants the
enter key on the ASDFG line, not the ZXCVB line most smart phones use.

Cingular has effectively raised their prices since their merger with
ATTWS, giving fewer minutes at the price point I'm at, and ending Night
calling at 6 AM, rather than the 7 AM I have. Totally contrary to what
they promised the FCC and the FTC prior to the merger. They then said
prices wouldn't rise. Their spin now is that prices haven't risen if you
kept your 2004 plan.

Scott

2006-07-29, 12:33 pm

"Jack Zwick" <jackzwick@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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..
>
>
> Absolutely true.
>
> http://www.mobiletechnews.com/info/.../30/023251.html

Nice atricle about streaming video on cell phones- no mention of any heat
issues.

>
> Absolutely true.
>
> http://www.sprintpcsinfo.com/module...article&sid=516

Gee- a Sprint XXXXX site. They would never lie, would they? And the link
did not mention anything about short life spans.

>
> Absolutely true
>
> http://searchcrm.techtarget.com/ori...i11
93471
> ,00.html

""Sprint shares its best practices in text chat
Text chat is no longer just a tool for social, cyber-savvy teenagers.
Enterprises are starting to harness the technology as well -- and some are
seeing real benefits.

In fact, a new report from Jupiter Research reveals that from 2001 to 2005,
the number of users who made use of text chat (when available) was on the
rise, and of those who used text chat, 58% indicated they were satisfied
with it (up from 45% in 2001).

For Sprint, the Reston, Va.-based telecommunications..."

Interesting- no mention of rigid CSR rules.

>
> Absolutely true,
>
> http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2...41129027996.htm

An article about a single sale from 2004? Hardly a pattern and does not
represent "every time" like you claimed.

Interesting how NONE of your "sources" spoke to the outlandish claim you
made. I see that some things never change.

>
> and of course you snipped out the advantages of Cingular.

I did because there are no advantages in my eyes- coverage is spotty at
best, pricing is nothing to shout about and feature selection is limited and
nothing to write home about. They make poor business decisions and treat a
good majority of their customer base as third class citizens.

>
> A Sprint shill WOULD do that.

No- an informed consumer would do that.

Face it, Philly- you were a troll then and you are a troll now. Like Navas,
you don't have independent and authoritative sources to back up your
outlandish claims. Your "knowledge" is fabricated because you hate Sprint.
In fact, since your migration from Sprint I've had the ocassion to learn a
lot about their practices, as well as those of Cingular (and a few others).
This education was gladly provided by the carriers and consisted of much
more than simply owning a phone, being a CSR or surfing the internet.

Thomas T. Veldhouse

2006-07-31, 7:33 am

John Navas < spamfilter0@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry, but I don't have the time either.
>

I didn't think you did ... and it is not there to be found.

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John Navas

2006-07-31, 12:33 pm

On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:27:01 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
<veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote in
<pGmzg.75764$9n3.63719@fe13.usenetserver.com>:

>John Navas < spamfilter0@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
>
>I didn't think you did ... and it is not there to be found.

How childish.

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Scott

2006-07-31, 10:33 pm

"John Navas" < spamfilter0@navasgro
up.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:27:01 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
> <veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote in
> <pGmzg.75764$9n3.63719@fe13.usenetserver.com>:
>
>
> How childish.
>

Not childish at all- he is right. It is nowhere to be found.

John Navas

2006-08-01, 10:33 pm

On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:48:20 GMT, Jack Zwick <jackzwick@yahoo.com> wrote
in <jackzwick-F43DDD. 06482928072006@newsc
lstr02.news.prodigy.com>:

>Sprint is stuck using 1900 Mhz and their CDMA phones get hot in any
>conversation over a few minutes,
>and repeated cycles of heating like that makes many models of their
>phones (especially Sanyo and Samsung) have short life spans.
>
>Their CSRs (with still long wait times to get to) have rigid rules of 6
>minute "handle times" with upsell quotas, which makes for unhappy
>experiences if you need support.

Sprint phones actually work quite well, and its customer service is
comparable to other carriers.

>Cingular is not perfect as Navas might have you believe but it is heads
>and shoulders above Sprint.

I've never claimed Cingular is even close to perfect.

>Cingular has effectively raised their prices since their merger with
>ATTWS, giving fewer minutes at the price point I'm at, and ending Night
>calling at 6 AM, rather than the 7 AM I have. Totally contrary to what
>they promised the FCC and the FTC prior to the merger. They then said
>prices wouldn't rise. Their spin now is that prices haven't risen if you
>kept your 2004 plan.

No such promise was made.

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