Cingular cell phone service - Cingular vs Tmobile

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Cingular vs Tmobile

ersalan_rahman@yahoo.com

2006-08-07, 3:33 pm

I am thinking of switching to Cingular from Tmobile as they are
supposed to have better coverage...how have people's experiences with
Cingular been overall? What are the pluses and minuses of each
service?

Ersalan Rahman

John Navas

2006-08-07, 10:33 pm

On 7 Aug 2006 13:15:13 -0700, ersalan_rahman@yahoo
.com wrote in
<1154981713.946420.181620@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>:

>I am thinking of switching to Cingular from Tmobile as they are
>supposed to have better coverage...how have people's experiences with
>Cingular been overall? What are the pluses and minuses of each
>service?

Quality of coverage varies from place to place. What coverage area(s)
do you care about?
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Jack Zwick

2006-08-07, 10:33 pm

In article <1154981713.946420.181620@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
ersalan_rahman@yahoo
.com wrote:

> I am thinking of switching to Cingular from Tmobile as they are
> supposed to have better coverage...how have people's experiences with
> Cingular been overall? What are the pluses and minuses of each
> service?

Cingular has better coverage, and uses the better 800 MHz band mostly,
but its plans generally offer fewer minutes.

(PeteCresswell)

2006-08-07, 10:33 pm

Per ersalan_rahman@yahoo
.com:
>I am thinking of switching to Cingular from Tmobile as they are
>supposed to have better coverage...how have people's experiences with
>Cingular been overall? What are the pluses and minuses of each
>service?

I had Cingular for several years. Switched to tMob couple years ago.

tMob's coverage in my area (Philadelphia) is noticeably inferior to Cingular's.
At the local YMCA, can't even get one bar on tMob yet Cingular and Verizon users
are just talking away. Ditto one of my workplaces up in Oaks PA: tMob dead
inside the building, Cingular/Verizon a-ok.

Having said all that, I found Cingular's service/customer interface so poor that
I'm sticking with tMobile.
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Ersalan Rahman

2006-08-07, 10:33 pm

Jack, appreciate your reply. I am thinking of getting a family
plan...I think I get 2100 minutes instead of the 3000 I am getting with
Tmob presently for a similarly priced plan, but for an extra 20 bucks,
I can have nights start at 7 for all the phones on the plan. So I
think this would make the 2 plans quite comprabable in terms of
minutes. Plus the roll over minutes are a nice plus.

Ersalan

Jack Zwick wrote:
> In article <1154981713.946420.181620@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
> ersalan_rahman@yahoo
.com wrote:
>
>
> Cingular has better coverage, and uses the better 800 MHz band mostly,
> but its plans generally offer fewer minutes.

Ersalan Rahman

2006-08-07, 10:33 pm

Pete, thanks for your reply as well. I have heard that Tmob's customer
service is nicer than Cingular's...but I get so many dropped calls and
poor coverage areas with Tmob that I really think I need to switch.

Ersalan

(PeteCresswell) wrote:
> Per ersalan_rahman@yahoo
.com:
>
> I had Cingular for several years. Switched to tMob couple years ago.
>
> tMob's coverage in my area (Philadelphia) is noticeably inferior to Cingular's.
> At the local YMCA, can't even get one bar on tMob yet Cingular and Verizon users
> are just talking away. Ditto one of my workplaces up in Oaks PA: tMob dead
> inside the building, Cingular/Verizon a-ok.
>
> Having said all that, I found Cingular's service/customer interface so poor that
> I'm sticking with tMobile.
> --
> PeteCresswell

bamp

2006-08-08, 12:33 pm

"Ersalan Rahman" < ersalan_rahman@yahoo
.com> wrote in message
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> Pete, thanks for your reply as well. I have heard that Tmob's customer
> service is nicer than Cingular's...but I get so many dropped calls and
> poor coverage areas with Tmob that I really think I need to switch.
>
> Ersalan
>
> (PeteCresswell) wrote:
>
>
What's the purpose of a phone? To talk on! Go with the best coverage, it's
not like you talk to CS every day. I'm with Cingular and so far this year I
think I've talked to CS twice. They satisfied me both times.
...
bamp

Anon E. Muss

2006-08-08, 12:33 pm

On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 21:08:47 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid>
wrote:

>I had Cingular for several years. Switched to tMob couple years ago.
>
>tMob's coverage in my area (Philadelphia) is noticeably inferior to Cingular's.
>At the local YMCA, can't even get one bar on tMob yet Cingular and Verizon users
>are just talking away. Ditto one of my workplaces up in Oaks PA: tMob dead
>inside the building, Cingular/Verizon a-ok.
>
>Having said all that, I found Cingular's service/customer interface so poor that
>I'm sticking with tMobile.

I find that strange that you value customer service (which most people
deal with on a very infrequent basis) more than having service at
places you frequent (YMCA/workplaces).

Douglas C. Neidermeyer

2006-08-08, 12:33 pm

"bamp" < bampatcenturyteldotn
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>
> "Ersalan Rahman" < ersalan_rahman@yahoo
.com> wrote in message
> news:1155000021.020734.264590@n13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> What's the purpose of a phone? To talk on! Go with the best coverage, it's
> not like you talk to CS every day. I'm with Cingular and so far this year
> I think I've talked to CS twice. They satisfied me both times.
> ..
> bamp

The sad reality is that today customer "service" sucks most everywhere--- or
as syndicated talk show host Clark Howard call it, customer no-service.

Doug

John Navas

2006-08-08, 12:33 pm

On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:37:36 -0400, "Douglas C. Neidermeyer"
<doug@faber.edu> wrote in
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>"bamp" < bampatcenturyteldotn
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[color=darkred]
>The sad reality is that today customer "service" sucks most everywhere--- or
>as syndicated talk show host Clark Howard call it, customer no-service.

That's actually just the market giving people what they really want most
(no matter what they might say): low prices. If people wanted good
customer service enough to demand and pay for it, then we would get it.

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Thomas T. Veldhouse

2006-08-08, 12:33 pm

bamp < bampatcenturyteldotn
et> wrote:
> What's the purpose of a phone? To talk on! Go with the best coverage, it's
> not like you talk to CS every day. I'm with Cingular and so far this year I
> think I've talked to CS twice. They satisfied me both times.
> ..

I would have agreed with you until about last week. If you ever try anything
out of the ordinary with Sprint PCS (like upgrade a phone and decide not to
keep it one day later), God forbid if they don't XXXX up everything you
thought was right with your wireless plan. Three times in one month was
enough for me and I bailed on them. My choice was Cingular and Verizon and I
chose not to consider T-Mobile due to their lagging technology and PCS only
coverage (too many holes on the fringes of urban areas). In the end, I chose
Verizon because I trust CDMA more and Verizon has excellent customer service,
not to mention that Verizon has better coverage in the upper midwest either
directly or through a partner.

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(PeteCresswell)

2006-08-08, 10:33 pm

Per Anon E. Muss:

>I find that strange that you value customer service (which most people
>deal with on a very infrequent basis) more than having service at
>places you frequent (YMCA/workplaces).

I probably *should* frequent the YMCA.... but unfortunately I don't...-)

The workplace? That's something of a rub but voicemail gets me through.

It's definitely a close call for me.

The main thing that got me off of Cingular was that when I wanted to go to a SIM
based phone, they wouldn't transfer my TDMA-based family-plan account - wanted
me to sign up for something that was about twice as many dollars per month for
less service.

The two others were their closing the service facility where I used to take
phones that needed fixing, and the location of their outlets.

Dunno what one does with tMob for service... and now it seems moot given that
SIM-based phones are so easily/readily/cheaply available (as in rooting through
the township's phone disposal bin and grabbing a couple of old Nokia candy bar
phones every so often)

Cingular's closest "real" store is in a huge mall that's nominally close to
there but can take anywhere from one to three man hours to get to, visit a
store, and get home from. I can get to Cingular's on a bike in less than five
minutes.... so that's a *really* parochial factor... But it's pretty nice to be
able to go over there and ask a question of somebody face-to-face and get an
intelligent, non-scripted answer.
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(PeteCresswell)

2006-08-08, 10:33 pm

Per (PeteCresswell):[col
or=darkred]
> I can get to Cingular's on a bike...[/color]

Oops!

SHB "I can get to tMobile's on a bike..."
--
PeteCresswell

Ersalan Rahman

2006-08-12, 10:33 pm

Yeah I use my cell phone mostly for talking...so reception and battery
life tend to be the two most important things.

Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> bamp < bampatcenturyteldotn
et> wrote:
>
> I would have agreed with you until about last week. If you ever try anything
> out of the ordinary with Sprint PCS (like upgrade a phone and decide not to
> keep it one day later), God forbid if they don't XXXX up everything you
> thought was right with your wireless plan. Three times in one month was
> enough for me and I bailed on them. My choice was Cingular and Verizon and I
> chose not to consider T-Mobile due to their lagging technology and PCS only
> coverage (too many holes on the fringes of urban areas). In the end, I chose
> Verizon because I trust CDMA more and Verizon has excellent customer service,
> not to mention that Verizon has better coverage in the upper midwest either
> directly or through a partner.
>
> --
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Ace587

2006-08-12, 10:33 pm

if cingular has very good coverage where you live, then i say get
cingular since GSM has better battery life compared to CDMA

Battery Life: GSM > CDMA

Reception: CDMA > GSM

:smart: :smart: :smart: :smart:

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John Navas

2006-08-12, 10:33 pm

On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:02:04 -0500, Ace587
<Ace587.2cgac0@nospam.cellphoneforums.net> wrote in
<Ace587.2cgac0@nospam.cellphoneforums.net>:

>if cingular has very good coverage where you live, then i say get
>cingular since GSM has better battery life compared to CDMA
>
>Battery Life: GSM > CDMA
>
>Reception: CDMA > GSM

All depends on the specific area and specific carriers -- around here,
GSM has both better battery life and better reception than CDMA2000.

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Scott

2006-08-12, 10:33 pm

"John Navas" < spamfilter0@navasgro
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>
> All depends on the specific area and specific carriers -- around here,
> GSM has both better battery life and better reception than CDMA2000.
>
Sorry- nothing but personal opinion in that statement. That is, unless you
have documented proof to back it up. I'll save you the time of coming up
with one of your typical responses to cover up- you have no proof.

Ace587

2006-08-12, 10:33 pm

John Navas Wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:02:04 -0500, Ace587
> <Ace587.2cgac0@nospam.cellphoneforums.net> wrote in
> <Ace587.2cgac0@nospam.cellphoneforums.net>:
>
>
> All depends on the specific area and specific carriers -- around here,
> GSM has both better battery life and better reception than CDMA2000.
>
> I would specifically speak about the USA, CDMA has better reception
> here because CDMA is the native network of the US and its better
> established since its been longer than GSM itself. It has widespread
> coverage throughout the United States. As for battery life, the
> technology will speak for itself, if you would really do some research,
> CDMA is always on, compared to GSM. Therefore CDMA will consume more
> battery life compared to GSM.
>
> The guy has established a point, it all depends on the specific area
> and specific carriers. If i live in Japan, CDMA will have better
> coverage than Vodafone GSM. If i live in the US, Verizon CDMA, will
> have much better coverage than Cingular GSM. Dont know if theres any
> CDMA in Europe, but since by law, GSM is a standard, Most of Europe
> will have better GSM coverage. So there's no absolute phone standard it
> would really depend, theres a lot of contributing factors. Hope this
> clears a lot of people. :D

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John Navas

2006-08-13, 4:33 am

On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 21:37:04 -0500, Ace587
<Ace587.2cglg6@nospam.cellphoneforums.net> wrote in
<Ace587.2cglg6@nospam.cellphoneforums.net>:
[color=darkred]
>John Navas Wrote:

With all due respect, if there is a "native" (digital) network in the
USA it would have to be D-AMPS ("TDMA"), the digital successor to AMPS,
which predates CDMA2000. Because D-AMPS has now been migrated to GSM,
GSM inherits that longevity and coverage.
[color=darkred]

Both technologies actually have multiple power modes that roughly
similar. Most important from a battery life standpoint, both have
transmit power control.
[color=darkred]

It actually doesn't.

GSM has better coverage than CDMA2000 in certain places in the USA, and
CDMA2000 has better coverage than GSM in certain other places. No valid
generalization can be made of one being better than the other. What
matters is coverage in areas you care about, which varies from place to
place and from person to person.

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SMS

2006-08-13, 4:33 am

John Navas

2006-08-13, 4:33 am

On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 20:57:51 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in < 44dea345$0$96186$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:

>Scott wrote:
>
>He doesn't say where "around here" is. Certainly he's not referring to
>the San Francisco Bay Area, where Verizon consistently is top-rated for
>coverage, with Cingular a very, very distant second or third.

Cingular actually has arguably the best coverage of any carrier in the
San Francisco Bay Area, the result of melding the old ATTWS "blue"
network with free roaming on the old Cingular (now T-Mobile) "orange"
network, including the Tri-Valley part of the East Bay (my "here") where
Verizon is a distant 3rd.

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WindsorFox[SS]

2006-08-13, 3:33 pm

Ace587 wrote:
> if cingular has very good coverage where you live, then i say get
> cingular since GSM has better battery life compared to CDMA
>
> Battery Life: GSM > CDMA
>
> Reception: CDMA > GSM
>

Unless you are where I am. The CDMA coverage I had and that people I
know have totally blows compared to GSM.

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WindsorFox[SS]

2006-08-13, 3:33 pm

Scott wrote:
> "John Navas" < spamfilter0@navasgro
up.com> wrote in message
> news:nrusd2tqbuf164q
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> Sorry- nothing but personal opinion in that statement. That is, unless you
> have documented proof to back it up. I'll save you the time of coming up
> with one of your typical responses to cover up- you have no proof.
>
>

So, you want me to have the CDMA users in Baton Rouge send you a
notarized document telling you that as soon as the contract is up they
are bailing? Get real. I go by personal experience and what I experience
from others and in my area of Louisiana BellSouth/Cingular can not be
touched for coverage. I feel this is probably due to the fact that as
the local wire line company BLS was the first and most dominant carrier
for cellular in the area and they had a really big head start. The no 2
carrier Cellular One never came close to competing as far as coverage
before they went TU.

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as it goes off at precisely the wrong moment for Wile E. Coyote. -
Cadbury Moose

Scott

2006-08-13, 10:33 pm

"WindsorFox[SS]" <windsorfox@NOSPAM.cox.net> wrote in message
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> Scott wrote:
>
>
> So, you want me to have the CDMA users in Baton Rouge send you a
> notarized document telling you that as soon as the contract is up they are
> bailing?

What do contracts have to do with battery life or superior reception? You
should really start reading the entire post in context before jumping down
my throat- this is the second time this weekend that you have either
misrepresented or misread a post.

> Get real.

I'm very real- I don't partake of the Navas kool-aid like some of you seem
to be.

>I go by personal experience and what I experience from others and in my
>area of Louisiana BellSouth/Cingular can not be touched for coverage.

Not what is being discussed. Try again.

Thomas T. Veldhouse

2006-08-14, 12:33 pm

John Navas < spamfilter0@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:02:04 -0500, Ace587
> <Ace587.2cgac0@nospam.cellphoneforums.net> wrote in
> <Ace587.2cgac0@nospam.cellphoneforums.net>:
>
>
> All depends on the specific area and specific carriers -- around here,
> GSM has both better battery life and better reception than CDMA2000.
>

Of course it does. What CDMA2000 based phone do you carry around with you to
determine this? And what services do you test with?

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John Navas

2006-08-14, 12:33 pm

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:49:32 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
<veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote in
<gY0Eg.81228$T01.31176@fe82.usenetserver.com>:

>John Navas < spamfilter0@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
>
>Of course it does. What CDMA2000 based phone do you carry around with you to
>determine this?

Several, including models by Samsung, LG, and Motorola

>And what services do you test with?

Sprint, Verizon and MetroPCS.

Since both GSM and CDMA2000 have transmit power control, what matters is
typical transmit power required, for which the best consumer-level
surrogate is typical signal strength. GSM comes out ahead of CDMA2000
around here primarily because GSM typically needs less transmit power
(has higher typical signal strength) than CDMA2000.

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Thomas T. Veldhouse

2006-08-14, 12:33 pm

John Navas < spamfilter0@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
>
> Several, including models by Samsung, LG, and Motorola
>
>
> Sprint, Verizon and MetroPCS.
>

Curious ... what plans to you keep active [from a PRL perspective, this is an
issue].

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Elmo P. Shagnasty

2006-08-14, 3:33 pm

In article < gv71e29khjvo4itovs42
b3ihvcus2hge7j@4ax.com>,
John Navas < spamfilter0@navasgro
up.com> wrote:

>
> Several, including models by Samsung, LG, and Motorola

Which was the only answer you could have come up with, once you were
backed into that corner.

Of course, you completely ignore the fact that no one believes you. And
who could?

John Navas

2006-08-14, 3:33 pm

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:26:11 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
<veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote in
<Tm2Eg.34718$9a.4084@fe15.usenetserver.com>:

>John Navas < spamfilter0@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
>
>Curious ... what plans to you keep active [from a PRL perspective, this is an
>issue].

My own service is with Cingular. I use temporary accounts on other
carriers for regular testing, as well as the accounts of family,
friends, and colleagues.

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Thomas T. Veldhouse

2006-08-14, 3:33 pm

John Navas < spamfilter0@navasgro
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> On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:26:11 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
> <veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote in
> <Tm2Eg.34718$9a.4084@fe15.usenetserver.com>:
>
>
> My own service is with Cingular. I use temporary accounts on other
> carriers for regular testing, as well as the accounts of family,
> friends, and colleagues.

Temporary accounts? I am curious to know more about those. As family and
friends, it seems your experience would be largely heresay or few and far
between as opposed to your native cingular, which I am sure is with you all
the time as your primary provider.

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John Navas

2006-08-14, 3:33 pm

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:21:06 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
<veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote in
<SW4Eg.34964$%v5.4210@fe78.usenetserver.com>:

>John Navas < spamfilter0@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
>
>Temporary accounts? I am curious to know more about those.

All carriers have free trial periods. I also get free accounts from
time to time for product evaluation purposes.

>As family and
>friends, it seems your experience would be largely heresay or few and far
>between as opposed to your native cingular, which I am sure is with you all
>the time as your primary provider.

It's direct personal experience; e.g., swapping mobile devices for a few
days.

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DecaturTxCowboy

2006-08-14, 10:33 pm

Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> Temporary accounts? I am curious to know more about those. As family and
> friends, it seems your experience would be largely heresay or few and far
> between as opposed to your native cingular, which I am sure is with you all
> the time as your primary provider.

Kinda like extended GSM...

WindsorFox[SS]

2006-08-14, 10:33 pm

Scott wrote:

>
> What do contracts have to do with battery life or superior reception? You
> should really start reading the entire post in context before jumping down
> my throat- this is the second time this weekend that you have either
> misrepresented or misread a post.
>

Or you should shoot for comprehension. What the contract in this
case has to do with it is that if you battery life and reception suck
pond scum, as soon as your contract is up you'll be leaving that carrier
for another one. I didn't misread that you want documented proof that
one carrier is better than another. That's not going to happen.

>
>
> I'm very real- I don't partake of the Navas kool-aid like some of you seem
> to be.
>
>
> Not what is being discussed. Try again.
>
>
>

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as it goes off at precisely the wrong moment for Wile E. Coyote. -
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Scott

2006-08-14, 10:33 pm

"WindsorFox[SS]" <windsorfox@NOSPAM.cox.net> wrote in message
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> Scott wrote:
>
>
> Or you should shoot for comprehension. What the contract in this case
> has to do with it is that if you battery life and reception suck pond
> scum, as soon as your contract is up you'll be leaving that carrier for
> another one. I didn't misread that you want documented proof that one
> carrier is better than another. That's not going to happen.

And yet Navas claims one is better than the others- frequently. I simply
asked him to prove it. This should relatively simple for him, as his bold
claims should be due to some sort of data. Of course, he's blowing nothing
but hot air and opinion..

As far as comprehension, anyone with a third grade education and more than a
week in this group knows exactly what I was saying.

Thomas T. Veldhouse

2006-08-15, 10:33 am

John Navas < spamfilter0@navasgro
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> On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:21:06 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
> <veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote in
> <SW4Eg.34964$%v5.4210@fe78.usenetserver.com>:
>
>
> All carriers have free trial periods. I also get free accounts from
> time to time for product evaluation purposes.

They don't let you use the free trial very often ... that would be stupid.
Who gives you free accounts?

>
>
> It's direct personal experience; e.g., swapping mobile devices for a few
> days.
>

So you go without your personal phone number, and so does whoever you swapped
with? Seems a bit far fetched in my opinion [which is what it is].

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John Navas

2006-08-15, 10:33 am

On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 14:42:32 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
<veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote in
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>John Navas < spamfilter0@navasgro
up.com> wrote:

>
>They don't let you use the free trial very often ... that would be stupid.
>Who gives you free accounts?

Carriers and hardware manufacturers.

>
>So you go without your personal phone number, and so does whoever you swapped
>with? Seems a bit far fetched in my opinion [which is what it is].

With all due respect, you lack imagination -- that's a problem easily
solved. ;)

Are we done now?

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Thomas T. Veldhouse

2006-08-15, 12:33 pm

John Navas < spamfilter0@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
>
> With all due respect, you lack imagination -- that's a problem easily
> solved. ;)
>
> Are we done now?
>

Yes, I am done. Frankly, I do not believe you.

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John Navas

2006-08-15, 3:33 pm

On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:24:09 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
<veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote in
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>John Navas < spamfilter0@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
>
>Yes, I am done. Frankly, I do not believe you.

OK. [shrug]

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