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The Irony That is Steve Jobs
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| Tinman 2007-09-29, 12:33 pm |
| "Unless you live under a rock within the Brazilian Rain Forest you already
know that the 1.1.1 iPhone update released this Thursday not only killed
third-party applications it prevented them from being used thereafter. It
also will kill unlocked iPhones, rendering them incapable of making phone
calls.
But what you might not know is the man most likely responsible for this
heavy-handedness, Steve Jobs, once sold illegal "blue boxes" which were
built by his friend and future Apple cofounder Steve Wozniak. These boxes
tricked the phone system into allowing free phone calls. The (only) phone
company back then was AT&T.
Is that ironic or what?"
"http:// justanotheriphoneblo
g.com/wordpress/2007/09/29/the-irony-that-is-steve-jobs/"
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Mike
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| In article <5m7ev6Fc2usbU1@mid.individual.net>, "Tinman" <ask@for.it>
wrote:
> "Unless you live under a rock within the Brazilian Rain Forest you already
> know that the 1.1.1 iPhone update released this Thursday not only killed
> third-party applications it prevented them from being used thereafter. It
> also will kill unlocked iPhones, rendering them incapable of making phone
> calls.
>
> But what you might not know is the man most likely responsible for this
> heavy-handedness, Steve Jobs, once sold illegal "blue boxes" which were
> built by his friend and future Apple cofounder Steve Wozniak. These boxes
> tricked the phone system into allowing free phone calls. The (only) phone
> company back then was AT&T.
>
> Is that ironic or what?"
>
> "http:// justanotheriphoneblo
g.com/wordpress/2007/09/29/the-irony-that-is-steve
> -jobs/"
The obviously, the smart thing is to avoid the latest update until the
community enables a fix. Easy enough to me to understand.
There is nothing in the latest update that you can't live without, and
the TOU is clear when you begin the update that it will disable an
unlocked iPhone.
Those with unlocked phones know they have them.
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| Tinman 2007-09-30, 4:33 am |
| "Kurt" wrote:
> In article <5m7ev6Fc2usbU1@mid.individual.net>, "Tinman" <ask@for.it>
> wrote:
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> The obviously, the smart thing is to avoid the latest update until the
> community enables a fix. Easy enough to me to understand.
>
> There is nothing in the latest update that you can't live without, and
> the TOU is clear when you begin the update that it will disable an
> unlocked iPhone.
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> Those with unlocked phones know they have them.
I don't see what the above has to do with Jobs and selling blue boxes--that
was the point of the post.
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Mike
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| Craig Koller 2007-09-30, 3:33 pm |
| In article <5m7ev6Fc2usbU1@mid.individual.net>, "Tinman" <ask@for.it>
wrote:
> "Unless you live under a rock within the Brazilian Rain Forest you already
> know that the 1.1.1 iPhone update released this Thursday not only killed
> third-party applications it prevented them from being used thereafter. It
> also will kill unlocked iPhones, rendering them incapable of making phone
> calls.
>
> But what you might not know is the man most likely responsible for this
> heavy-handedness, Steve Jobs, once sold illegal "blue boxes" which were
> built by his friend and future Apple cofounder Steve Wozniak. These boxes
> tricked the phone system into allowing free phone calls. The (only) phone
> company back then was AT&T.
>
> Is that ironic or what?"
>
> "http:// justanotheriphoneblo
g.com/wordpress/2007/09/29/the-irony-that-is-steve
> -jobs/"
Heh. It is a little ironic.
Of all his creations, Steve Wozniak is the proudest of his blue box
design (read it in "iWoz"). To be a young kid in the Bay Area in Nixon's
America (1971) was quite a different time and yes, Jobs and Woz were
selling blue boxes for $150 a pop to college kids.
But now Jobs has embraced Intel and AT&T. iTunes Music Store sells DRMed
music to comply with the big five media companies (although Amazon
somehow bypassed this). You obviously can't run a multinational
conglomerate with the same pirate values you had as a young punk kid.
I'm sure in some private way, Jobs respects the hackers/3rd-party work
on the iPhone (and will probably recruit some of them). But to tow the
official party line, the man's gotta do what's he's gotta do.
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| Elmo P. Shagnasty 2007-09-30, 3:33 pm |
| In article <cwkollertwo-10CA62.10470530092007@news.giganews.com>,
Craig Koller < cwkollertwo@netscape
.net> wrote:
> But to tow the
> official party line,
To where is he towing it? Using what vehicle?
http://wsu.edu/~brians/errors/tow.html
Oh, you mean he's toeing the line.
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| Craig Koller wrote:
> Of all his creations, Steve Wozniak is the proudest of his blue box
> design (read it in "iWoz"). To be a young kid in the Bay Area in Nixon's
> America (1971) was quite a different time and yes, Jobs and Woz were
> selling blue boxes for $150 a pop to college kids.
I remember when Ramparts magazine (which turned into Mother Jones)
published an article about how to make the black box. The black box
allowed you to _receive_ calls, free of charge to the caller by making
it appear as if the phone was never picked up. It only took one
capacitor, one resistor, and two switches, IIRC. AT&T went ballistic,
and forced Ramparts to withdraw unsold issues from the newstand, and
they wanted Ramparts subscriber list but I don't think they got it. It
was too late, as the issue was in all the libraries.
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| Ben Skversky 2007-10-01, 3:33 pm |
| You don't see what it has to do with your original post? You mentioned the
update, dummy.
"Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote in message
news:5m8o91Fc7j1gU1@
mid.individual.net...
> "Kurt" wrote:
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> I don't see what the above has to do with Jobs and selling blue
> boxes--that was the point of the post.
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> Mike
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> --
> Mike
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| Tinman 2007-10-01, 3:33 pm |
| "Ben Skversky" wrote:
> You don't see what it has to do with your original post? You mentioned the
> update, dummy.
>
Leave it to a top-poster to miss the obvious.
"I mentioned" Brazil too, does that mean the point was about Brazil?
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Mike
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| In article <5mcuqhFct1vdU1@mid.individual.net>, "Tinman" <ask@for.it>
wrote:
> "Ben Skversky" wrote:
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> Leave it to a top-poster to miss the obvious.
>
> "I mentioned" Brazil too, does that mean the point was about Brazil?
You had a Brazillian done?
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| Tinman 2007-10-02, 4:33 am |
| "Kurt" wrote:
> In article <5mcuqhFct1vdU1@mid.individual.net>, "Tinman" <ask@for.it>
> wrote:
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> You had a Brazillian done?
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Nah, I'm not into that waxing stuff.
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Mike
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| In article <5m7ev6Fc2usbU1@mid.individual.net>, Tinman <ask@for.it>
wrote:
> Is that ironic or what?"
A little, perhaps. Not so much considering the technology, their ages,
and how many were actually built.
Not nearly as much so as Bill Gates' early history compared to his
bullying later. Check Gates' history with piracy, programming with
other people's products, bullying tactics as undesirable behavior, the
programming community as a friendly community benefitting all, etc.
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| Mitch wrote:
> Check Gates' history with piracy
With the exception of MicroSoft's original Power Point that was developed
for brain dead managers that had to create a conference presentation in a
hotel room in the early morning after chasing bimbos all night, Micro$oft
really hasn't developed any original mainstream applications.
Internet Exploder - Netscape was always a step ahead with features.
Excel - Lotus 1-2-3
Word - Word Perfect
Admittedly, Excel has come a long way with some powerful feature.
Also...If you really know how to push Power Point to the limit, it can do
some pretty cool things.
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| Elmo P. Shagnasty 2007-10-22, 7:33 am |
| In article <KxSSi.6211$y21.2230@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net>,
DTC < no_spam@move_along_f
olks.foob> wrote:
> With the exception of MicroSoft's original Power Point that was developed
> for brain dead managers that had to create a conference presentation in a
> hotel room in the early morning after chasing bimbos all night, Micro$oft
> really hasn't developed any original mainstream applications.
>
> Internet Exploder - Netscape was always a step ahead with features.
> Excel - Lotus 1-2-3
> Word - Word Perfect
You need to look up Charles Simonyi and his Bravo before you XXX-u-me
that MS stole or didn't invent Word.
Word is one of the most original inventions MS ever had. They grabbed
Simonyi from Xerox PARC and ended up with a powerhouse of an application
that the world had never seen before.
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| Michael 2007-10-22, 10:33 pm |
| On 2007-10-21 20:49:36 -0400, DTC < no_spam@move_along_f
olks.foob> said:
> Mitch wrote:
>
> With the exception of MicroSoft's original Power Point that was
> developed for brain dead managers that had to create a conference
> presentation in a hotel room in the early morning after chasing bimbos
> all night, Micro$oft really hasn't developed any original mainstream
> applications.
>
> Internet Exploder - Netscape was always a step ahead with features.
> Excel - Lotus 1-2-3 - VisiCalc
> Word - Word Perfect
>
> Admittedly, Excel has come a long way with some powerful feature.
>
> Also...If you really know how to push Power Point to the limit, it can
> do some pretty cool things.
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