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| apple.@re.shite.com 2007-09-28, 3:33 pm |
| On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:32:37 -0700, "Ness Net"
<richard@nomore.damn.spam.nessnet.com> wrote:
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>"digi" <jhardee@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1191000534.315989.103180@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
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>http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=6446&tag=nl.e622
>Apple's growth, an unwinnable iPhone war and a reputation at risk
>
>http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=898&tag=nl.e622
>iPhone firmware 1.1.1 released; breaks everything (Updated)
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>http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=836&tag=nl.e622
>iBricks will be a PR nightmare for Apple
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>
More Apple bollox, like the Apple Crap, sorry Mac Buy a decent phone like an
N95. Face it, iPhone owners, you've been screwed by Jobs again.
MWAhahaha
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| In article < WI6dnWPXntp_1WDbnZ2d
nUVZ_uiknZ2d@giganew
s.com>,
"Ness Net" <richard@nomore.damn.spam.nessnet.com> wrote:
> "digi" <jhardee@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1191000534.315989.103180@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=6446&tag=nl.e622
> Apple's growth, an unwinnable iPhone war and a reputation at risk
>
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=898&tag=nl.e622
> iPhone firmware 1.1.1 released; breaks everything (Updated)
>
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=836&tag=nl.e622
> iBricks will be a PR nightmare for Apple
My update worked perfectly.
As for the others who unblocked their phones, too bad.
Apple's responsibility is to provide an update that works on an
unmodified system and if someone who modified their system uses an
update, they are taking their chances. By modifying the iphone, the
owner has broken the warranty responsibility of Apple.
Besides that, who forced iphone owners who hacked their phones to apply
the update? They could live with their hacked, unlocked phones the way
they are.
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| Oxford 2007-09-28, 10:33 pm |
| "Ness Net" <richard@nomore.damn.spam.nessnet.com> wrote:
> "digi" <jhardee@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1191000534.315989.103180@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=65446&tag=nl.e622
> Apple's growth, an unwinnable iPhone war and a reputation at risk
>
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=898&utag=nl.e622
> iPhone firmware 1.1.1 released; breaks everything (Updated)
>
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=8536&tag=nl.e622
> iBricks will be a PR nightmare for Apple
the update process is going quite well no major issues for anyone so
far. I've done 6 of them this week and nary a hickup... apple really did
their homework and makes stuff like this a breeze. be sure to watch the
video at the link below, they even provide a helpful "dude" to explain
all the new features. well done...
* iTunes Wi-Fi Music Store
* Louder speakerphone and receiver volume
* Home Button double-click shortcut to phone favorites or music controls
* Space bar double-tap shortcut to intelligently insert period and space
* Mail attachments are viewable in portrait and landscape
* Stocks and cities in Stocks and Weather can be re-ordered
* Apple Bluetooth Headset battery status in the Status Bar
* Support for TV Out
* Preference to turn off EDGE/GPRS when roaming internationally
* New Passcode lock time intervals
* Adjustable alert volume
http://www.apple.com/iphone/softwareupdate/
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| Oxford 2007-09-28, 10:33 pm |
| karlkrandall@sbcglob
al.net wrote:
> The update re-locks the iPhone. If it had previously been activated
> to AT&T and you still have that SIM, it will again work on AT&T with
> that SIM.
yes, the update does nothing to hurt your phone, just install and it
auto restarts.
sure, people with soldering irons may have to reverse what they did, but
nobody has lost an iphone over this great update!
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| Scott 2007-09-28, 10:33 pm |
| Oxford <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
B1AD5E.15314328092007@mpls-nnrp-04.inet.qwest.net:
> "Ness Net" <richard@nomore.damn.spam.nessnet.com> wrote:
>
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> the update process is going quite well no major issues for anyone so
> far. I've done 6 of them this week and nary a hickup... apple really did
> their homework and makes stuff like this a breeze. be sure to watch the
> video at the link below, they even provide a helpful "dude" to explain
> all the new features. well done...
>
> * iTunes Wi-Fi Music Store
> * Louder speakerphone and receiver volume
> * Home Button double-click shortcut to phone favorites or music controls
> * Space bar double-tap shortcut to intelligently insert period and space
> * Mail attachments are viewable in portrait and landscape
> * Stocks and cities in Stocks and Weather can be re-ordered
> * Apple Bluetooth Headset battery status in the Status Bar
> * Support for TV Out
> * Preference to turn off EDGE/GPRS when roaming internationally
> * New Passcode lock time intervals
> * Adjustable alert volume
>
> http://www.apple.com/iphone/softwareupdate/
>
> ---
>
Whoever said he was a clerk at an Apple store was a genius!
You've been outed, cashier boy.
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| Scott 2007-09-28, 10:33 pm |
| apple.@re.shite.com wrote in
news:a0lqf3lodkdkqq8
nt5sjhcedpenljmhi09@
4ax.com:
> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:32:37 -0700, "Ness Net"
> <richard@nomore.damn.spam.nessnet.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> More Apple bollox, like the Apple Crap, sorry Mac Buy a decent phone
> like an N95. Face it, iPhone owners, you've been screwed by Jobs
> again.
>
>
> MWAhahaha
>
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7017660.stm
[url]http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml? articleID=202102818[
/url]
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| Peter Hayes 2007-09-29, 10:33 am |
| Scott <how.do@you.do> wrote:
> Oxford <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
> B1AD5E.15314328092007@mpls-nnrp-04.inet.qwest.net:
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> Whoever said he was a clerk at an Apple store was a genius!
>
> You've been outed, cashier boy.
I claim my prize...
<http://groups.google.co.uk/group/co...sg/909b1517617d
8ecd>
5 July 2005
--
Immunity is better than innoculation.
Peter
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| Oxford wrote:
> karlkrandall@sbcglob
al.net wrote:
>
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> yes, the update does nothing to hurt your phone, just install and it
> auto restarts.
>
> sure, people with soldering irons may have to reverse what they did, but
> nobody has lost an iphone over this great update!
From http://tinyurl.com/yo7ubo
[quote]
Apple has discovered that some of the unauthorized unlocking programs
available on the Internet may cause irreparable damage to the iPhone's
software. IF YOU HAVE MODIFIED YOUR IPHONE'S SOFTWARE, APPLYING THIS
SOFTWARE UPDATE MAY RESULT IN YOUR IPHONE BECOMING PERMANENTLY INOPERABLE.
Making unauthorized modifications to the software on your iPhone violates
the iPhone software license agreement, and the inability to use your iPhone
to unauthorized software modifications is not covered under your iPhone's
warranty.
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| DTC wrote:[color=darkred
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> Oxford wrote:
Interestingly, Oxford's original post that I responded to seems to have
disappeared...hmmmm
Error!
newsgroup server responded:No Such Article In Group
Perhaps the article has expired
<colalovesmacs-171A9F.15334728092007@mpls-nnrp-04.inet.qwest.net> (87374)
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| Mitch 2007-10-21, 10:33 pm |
| In article < WI6dnWPXntp_1WDbnZ2d
nUVZ_uiknZ2d@giganew
s.com>, Ness Net
<richard@nomore.damn.spam.nessnet.com> wrote:
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=6446&tag=nl.e622
> Apple's growth, an unwinnable iPhone war and a reputation at risk
Silly, even stupid comments in this one:
"Apple may look like a bully, because it is fighting music publishers
that want to raise prices." Doesn't make sense.
"If Apple cared about early adopters, they'd have paid more than the
difference to early adopters." Who does that? Who expects it?
Few people want AT&T as a carrier." It's always one of the top three,
but apparently people who want to complain ignore everyone who choses
it on purpose.
"None of the hacks to unlock the iPhone would be necessary if it
weren't for the AT&T deal." Wrong; many of the hacks are to allow
third-party apps to load, which the same article claims elsewhere.
"Fans will buy whatever Apple makes." Even a brief check shows this
isn't true, and has never even been close to true.
"Apple risks its customer service reputation by entering a large
market." Doesn't even make sense. The iPod market is already much
larger, and it has hugely positive reviews!
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=898&tag=nl.e622
> iPhone firmware 1.1.1 released; breaks everything (Updated)
Correction; "breaks everything you were told not to do, and promised
you wouldn't do."
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=836&tag=nl.e622
> iBricks will be a PR nightmare for Apple
Huh. Because you think there are many people who have hacked their
phones?
I doubt even the mainstream press can screw up this one -- people who
decided to ignore their contract screwed up. No one is going to claim
they are victims!
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| Mitch 2007-10-21, 10:33 pm |
| In article < a0lqf3lodkdkqq8nt5sj
hcedpenljmhi09@4ax.com>,
<apple.@re.shite.com> wrote:
>
>
> More Apple bollox, like the Apple Crap, sorry Mac Buy a decent phone like an
> N95. Face it, iPhone owners, you've been screwed by Jobs again.
>
>
> MWAhahaha
You've just made yourself look like a complete fool.
No one has been screwed by Jobs, by Apple, or by the iPhone.
People who wanted to hack the device screwed themselves; completely,
totally, unquestionably their own doing.
I don't know any situation where Apple or Jobs have ever screwed
customers -- what examples do you think you are referring to?
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| Oxford 2007-10-21, 10:33 pm |
| In article < a0lqf3lodkdkqq8nt5sj
hcedpenljmhi09@4ax.com>,
<apple.@re.shite.com> wrote:
[color=darkred]
The Nokia N95 got HORRIBLE reviews compared to the iPhone.
It wasn't even a contest, the iPhone easily won:
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/ind...wsid=11025&pn=4
Nokia is in serious trouble. Even the Nokia CEO Olli Pekka Kallasvuo
said he is ³paranoid² about Apple¹s entry into the cell phone market.
They don't stand a chance... we all know that now!
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| Scott 2007-10-21, 10:33 pm |
| Mitch <mitch@hawaii.rr> wrote in news:211020071548242
166%
mitch@hawaii.rr:
> In article < WI6dnWPXntp_1WDbnZ2d
nUVZ_uiknZ2d@giganew
s.com>, Ness Net
> <richard@nomore.damn.spam.nessnet.com> wrote:
>
> Silly, even stupid comments in this one:
> "Apple may look like a bully, because it is fighting music publishers
> that want to raise prices." Doesn't make sense.
> "If Apple cared about early adopters, they'd have paid more than the
> difference to early adopters." Who does that?
Companies that want their initial product rollout to fuel the fire, not
put it out.
> Who expects it?
Any customer in a mature market where certain functionality is a given
at a certain price point.
> Few people want AT&T as a carrier." It's always one of the top three,
> but apparently people who want to complain ignore everyone who choses
> it on purpose.
The AT&T data network is the slowest of the three. Anybody serious
about data speeds typically uses Verizon or Sprint
> "None of the hacks to unlock the iPhone would be necessary if it
> weren't for the AT&T deal." Wrong; many of the hacks are to allow
> third-party apps to load, which the same article claims elsewhere.
> "Fans will buy whatever Apple makes." Even a brief check shows this
> isn't true, and has never even been close to true.
Maybe the article should have read, "Fans will blindly push whatever
Apple makes." That is and has been very true.
> "Apple risks its customer service reputation by entering a large
> market." Doesn't even make sense. The iPod market is already much
> larger, and it has hugely positive reviews!
It most certainly does make sense. The mp3 player market was in its
infancy when Apple rolled out the first iPod. In this case, they are
entering a mature market and do run the risk of destroying their
reputation, based on the expectations already in play.
>
> Correction; "breaks everything you were told not to do, and promised
> you wouldn't do."
Which makes it the most limited phone on the market.
>
> Huh. Because you think there are many people who have hacked their
> phones?
> I doubt even the mainstream press can screw up this one -- people who
> decided to ignore their contract screwed up. No one is going to claim
> they are victims!
Read the press- a bunch of people have and it is turning into a PR
nightmare for Apple.
>
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| Oxrford's Dead Brain Cells 2007-10-21, 10:33 pm |
| Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in
news:colalovesmacs-600B3A.20145121102007@mpls-nnrp-02.inet.qwest.net:
> In article < a0lqf3lodkdkqq8nt5sj
hcedpenljmhi09@4ax.com>,
> <apple.@re.shite.com> wrote:
>
>
> The Nokia N95 got HORRIBLE reviews compared to the iPhone.
>
> It wasn't even a contest, the iPhone easily won:
>
> http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/ind...wsid=11025&pn=4
>
>
> Nokia is in serious trouble. Even the Nokia CEO Olli Pekka Kallasvuo
> said he is ³paranoid² about Apple¹s entry into the cell phone market.
>
> They don't stand a chance... we all know that now!
>
The only thing that we know is how stupid you truly are.
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| Larry 2007-10-21, 10:33 pm |
| Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
600B3A.20145121102007@mpls-nnrp-02.inet.qwest.net:
> Nokia is in serious trouble. Even the Nokia CEO Olli Pekka
Kallasvuo
> said he is üparanoidý about Appleûs entry into the cell phone
market.
>
> They don't stand a chance... we all know that now!
>
>
All of Finland must be shaking in their boots. iPhone is a BIG
part of Apple's barrel....ALL of Nokia's cellphones, together,
are a TINY part of their communications company.
Do we see anything LOGICAL in this digital bullshit?
Larry
--
You guys are great entertainment, though. They must be scared to
death coming out with the new N810 and Linux OS2008 from that
tiny office in the corner of the 47th floor of building 281.
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| Oxford 2007-10-22, 4:33 am |
| Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> All of Finland must be shaking in their boots. iPhone is a BIG
> part of Apple's barrel....ALL of Nokia's cellphones, together,
> are a TINY part of their communications company.
Ah, Apple's bread and butter is the Mac, it pulls in about 12 Billion in
revenue. The iPod is next and pulls in about 9 billion, then "so far",
the iPhone has sold around 1,300,000 units so about 520 million. So the
iPhone is Apple's smallest part of their barrel.
The Mac is the superstar of Apple's sales, so expect a big day tomorrow
when all the numbers are released. You can join in the fun starting at:
Apple¹s conference call webcast discussing Q4 - 2007 financial results
will begin at 2pm PT/5pm ET on Monday, October 22, 2007.
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/earningsq407/
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| Oxford 2007-10-22, 4:33 am |
| "Oxrford's Genius" <is.he@for.real> wrote:
>
> The only thing that we know is how stupid you truly are.
Well, I didn't say it... the CEO of Nokia said it...
I'm ³paranoid² about Apple¹s entry into the cell phone market.
-
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| Oxford's Deads Brain Cells 2007-10-22, 4:33 am |
| Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
65B35C.22004221102007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net:
> "Oxrford's Genius" <is.he@for.real> wrote:
>
>
> Well, I didn't say it... the CEO of Nokia said it...
>
> I'm ³paranoid² about Apple¹s entry into the cell phone market.
>
> -
>
No- you're just stupid. Didn't I read somewhere where you claimed to be an
expert on the industry? Your posts certainly don't indicate that.
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| Elmo P. Shagnasty 2007-10-22, 7:33 am |
| In article < 211020071550541149%m
itch@hawaii.rr>,
Mitch <mitch@hawaii.rr> wrote:
> In article < a0lqf3lodkdkqq8nt5sj
hcedpenljmhi09@4ax.com>,
> <apple.@re.shite.com> wrote:
>
>
> You've just made yourself look like a complete fool.
> No one has been screwed by Jobs, by Apple, or by the iPhone.
> People who wanted to hack the device screwed themselves; completely,
> totally, unquestionably their own doing.
>
> I don't know any situation where Apple or Jobs have ever screwed
> customers -- what examples do you think you are referring to?
The $600 phones that went to $400 in a heartbeat
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| "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
> The $600 phones that went to $400 in a heartbeat
well, it really went from $600 to $500 since he gave everyone $100 back.
don't try and falsify the numbers.
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| Tinman 2007-10-22, 10:33 am |
| none wrote:
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
>
> well, it really went from $600 to $500 since he gave everyone $100
> back.
>
> don't try and falsify the numbers.
He didn't. And your logic is twisted.
ITYM, "it really went from $500 to $400."
--
Mike
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| In article <elmop-F04963. 05563722102007@nntp1
.usenetserver.com>,
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> In article < 211020071550541149%m
itch@hawaii.rr>,
> Mitch <mitch@hawaii.rr> wrote:
>
>
> The $600 phones that went to $400 in a heartbeat
If people considered the phone to be worth $600, precisely how did they
get screwed? If they didn't consider it to be worth $600, why did they
buy it?
--
"More than two decades later, it is hard to imagine the Revolutionary War coming
out any other way."
--George W. Bush in Martinsburg, W. Va., July 4, 2007
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| "Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote:
>
> He didn't. And your logic is twisted.
my logic illustrated the actual drop, $599 to $399 with $100 credit, so
it dropped by $100, not by "$200".
> ITYM, "it really went from $500 to $400."
yes, if you bought the $499 model it was discontinued, but you still got
the $100 credit, so it went from $499 to $399.
i used another one of my credits last night, bought a $99 4GB iPod,
which cost me $4.56 with tax, it will go up on ebay tonight, sell for
around $139, so I'll made around $130 back from the $100 credit, so this
particular iPhone technically cost $369. sweet!
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| Elmo P. Shagnasty 2007-10-22, 12:33 pm |
| In article <znu-3EE0BA.10415722102007@news.individual.net>,
ZnU <znu@fake.invalid> wrote:
>
> If people considered the phone to be worth $600, precisely how did they
> get screwed? If they didn't consider it to be worth $600, why did they
> buy it?
Generally, I agree with you.
But perception is reality, and many--most--all?--of those customers who
were in that position would disagree with you.
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| Elmo P. Shagnasty 2007-10-22, 12:33 pm |
| In article <a-833850.08143122102007@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net>,
none <a@bc.com> wrote:
>
> well, it really went from $600 to $500 since he gave everyone $100 back.
No, he didn't.
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| Traveling Man 2007-10-22, 3:33 pm |
| On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 15:48:24 -1000, Mitch wrote:
> In article < WI6dnWPXntp_1WDbnZ2d
nUVZ_uiknZ2d@giganew
s.com>, Ness Net
> <richard@nomore.damn.spam.nessnet.com> wrote:
>
> Few people want AT&T as a carrier." It's always one of the top three,
> but apparently people who want to complain ignore everyone who choses
> it on purpose.
Top three in what? Maybe in subscribers, but every customer survey I've
read lately puts VZW on top, and AT&T down the list below T-Mobile.
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| Traveling Man 2007-10-22, 3:33 pm |
| On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 10:41:57 -0400, ZnU wrote:
> If people considered the phone to be worth $600, precisely how did they
> get screwed? If they didn't consider it to be worth $600, why did they
> buy it?
To look "cool" to their friends???
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| Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
C54D8E.21585121102007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net:
> http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/earningsq407/
>
I'd rather watch Ditech commercials....
Larry
--
You can tell there's extremely
intelligent life in the universe
because they have never called Earth.
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|
| In article <a-343BE0.09032222102007@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net>,
none <a@bc.com> wrote:
> "Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote:
>
>
> my logic illustrated the actual drop, $599 to $399 with $100 credit, so
> it dropped by $100, not by "$200".
>
>
> yes, if you bought the $499 model it was discontinued, but you still got
> the $100 credit, so it went from $499 to $399.
>
> i used another one of my credits last night, bought a $99 4GB iPod,
> which cost me $4.56 with tax, it will go up on ebay tonight, sell for
> around $139, so I'll made around $130 back from the $100 credit, so this
> particular iPhone technically cost $369. sweet!
Except for eBay listing and seller fees, Paypal fees. Why even bother?
--
To reply by email, remove the word "space"
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| Ness Net 2007-10-22, 3:33 pm |
| An important note on this subject:
It was NOT $100 back - it was a CREDIT.
There is a HUGE difference.
A credit forces you into the store to buy something.
It forces you to actually spend more.
Spend on something with a healthy markup I'm sure.
The NET is much less than $100 in reality.
"none" <a@bc.com> wrote in message
news:a-833850.08143122102007@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net...
> well, it really went from $600 to $500 since he gave everyone $100 back.
>
> don't try and falsify the numbers.
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| Tinman 2007-10-22, 3:33 pm |
| Ness Net wrote:
> An important note on this subject:
>
> It was NOT $100 back - it was a CREDIT.
> There is a HUGE difference.
>
> A credit forces you into the store to buy something.
> It forces you to actually spend more.
>
> Spend on something with a healthy markup I'm sure.
>
> The NET is much less than $100 in reality.
>
Let's not forget sales tax! Yea I know that ain't Apple's issue, but that
makes the $100 more like $85 (in many states).
Also, you can't use the credit for iTunes Store purchases. Personally, I
found that odd.
--
Mike
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| Oxford 2007-10-22, 3:33 pm |
| "Ness Net" <richard@nomore.damn.spam.nessnet.com> wrote:
> An important note on this subject:
>
> It was NOT $100 back - it was a CREDIT.
> There is a HUGE difference.
no. it's actually MORE than $100 back in cash. my example of buying a
$99 4GB iPod illustrates the point. I spent $5ish on tax, free shipping.
sell it on ebay will net at least $139, remove the fees and you get
around $130 in CASH back...
so the "credit" is only if you don't understand how markets work.
> A credit forces you into the store to buy something.
> It forces you to actually spend more.
ah, not necessarily. in my case i converted an online transaction to $30
MORE than the $100 Steve gave back to everyone, without stepping a foot
in an Apple Store. But, yes in most cases people that have purchased an
iPhone will be back for more Apple products very quickly since they
understand the great value it brings. They get $100 back in "value" and
are happy.
> Spend on something with a healthy markup I'm sure.
>
> The NET is much less than $100 in reality.
The "NET GAIN" worked out to $130 in PURE CASH in my case at +5%
interest.
So, Ness Net, you just don't know much about business it appears.
-
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| Oxford 2007-10-22, 3:33 pm |
| Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:
> Except for eBay listing and seller fees, Paypal fees. Why even bother?
because it is easy money... run the numbers... on a .99 cent starting
fee for a Silver 4GB iPod, I will at least get $139 + $5 for shipping...
That equates to $9.70 in fees, and shipping will be around $4 for such a
light weight item, so I walk away with $130 in CASH... from a $100
iPhone "credit".
http://home.alltel.net/micrep/fees.html
I know markets, don't mess with me!
-
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| Screw the i(diot)Phone 2007-10-22, 10:33 pm |
| On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:28:40 -0600, Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com>
wrote:
>I know markets, don't mess with me!
Except for the intimate knowledge of the interior appearance of your
own anus, you don't know a damn thing, Oxturd.
| |
| Ness Net 2007-10-22, 10:33 pm |
| Only clerks and low level peons have the time to dick
around like you propose. As a clerk / stockboy you have
the ample time to spare, I see... Most people value their
time more than you do.
I certainly do. The time this would take would cost me more
than the net $. Clearly, YOU don't understand "business"...
Your convoluted method below is not "business".
Bottom line, you saying this is "business" one again shows
your astounding and complete stupidity.
Young and clueless once again....
"Oxford" <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in message
news:colalovesmacs-0EDAF5.14225622102007@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net...
>
> no. it's actually MORE than $100 back in cash. my example of buying a
> $99 4GB iPod illustrates the point. I spent $5ish on tax, free shipping.
>
> sell it on ebay will net at least $139, remove the fees and you get
> around $130 in CASH back...
>
> so the "credit" is only if you don't understand how markets work.
>
> ah, not necessarily. in my case i converted an online transaction to $30
> MORE than the $100 Steve gave back to everyone, without stepping a foot
> in an Apple Store. But, yes in most cases people that have purchased an
> iPhone will be back for more Apple products very quickly since they
> understand the great value it brings. They get $100 back in "value" and
> are happy.
>
> The "NET GAIN" worked out to $130 in PURE CASH in my case at +5%
> interest.
>
> So, Ness Net, you just don't know much about business it appears.
>
> -
>
| |
| Peter Hayes 2007-10-22, 10:33 pm |
| ZnU <znu@fake.invalid> wrote:
> In article <elmop-F04963. 05563722102007@nntp1
.usenetserver.com>,
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
>
> If people considered the phone to be worth $600, precisely how did they
> get screwed? If they didn't consider it to be worth $600, why did they
> buy it?
Perhaps because when the price fell $200 the perception of the iPhone's
value fell,. Perception is everything, as Jobs rapidly realised, hence
the $100 "rebate".
--
Immunity is better than innoculation.
Peter
| |
| Elmo P. Shagnasty 2007-10-22, 10:33 pm |
| In article
<colalovesmacs-0EDAF5.14225622102007@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net>,
Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote:
>
> no. it's actually MORE than $100 back in cash. my example of buying a
> $99 4GB iPod illustrates the point. I spent $5ish on tax, free shipping.
>
> sell it on ebay will net at least $139, remove the fees and you get
> around $130 in CASH back...
SURE you will.
| |
|
| In article
<colalovesmacs-9266E0.14284022102007@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net>,
Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote:
> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> because it is easy money... run the numbers... on a .99 cent starting
> fee for a Silver 4GB iPod, I will at least get $139 + $5 for shipping...
>
> That equates to $9.70 in fees, and shipping will be around $4 for such a
> light weight item, so I walk away with $130 in CASH... from a $100
> iPhone "credit".
>
Look at the current completed listings. The only ones that hope to
realize that amount are those doing a BIN, and even then only a couple
have sold. The rest are well under. What's your feedback rating, and
have you sold related products before? an eBay newbie or anything less
than a 99% pos is going to put your chances even less.
--
To reply by email, remove the word "space"
| |
| Ness_net 2007-10-22, 10:33 pm |
| Addendum:
There are a HUGE number of iPods who's completed auctions show ZERO
bids. Many more for less $$$ than stated below. Lots of supply, not anywhere
near as high of demand.
Bottom line - GOOD "business" says that this is FAR from a sure thing.
In fact "business" would say that it is, in reality, very BAD business.
Certainly, only a complete idiot would think otherwise, like (Oxford) below.
You Apple stockboy training didn't teach you "business" very well, huh??
"Oxford" <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in message
news:colalovesmacs-0EDAF5.14225622102007@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net...
>
> no. it's actually MORE than $100 back in cash. my example of buying a
> $99 4GB iPod illustrates the point. I spent $5ish on tax, free shipping.
>
> sell it on ebay will net at least $139, remove the fees and you get
> around $130 in CASH back...
>
> so the "credit" is only if you don't understand how markets work.
>
> ah, not necessarily. in my case i converted an online transaction to $30
> MORE than the $100 Steve gave back to everyone, without stepping a foot
> in an Apple Store. But, yes in most cases people that have purchased an
> iPhone will be back for more Apple products very quickly since they
> understand the great value it brings. They get $100 back in "value" and
> are happy.
>
> The "NET GAIN" worked out to $130 in PURE CASH in my case at +5%
> interest.
>
> So, Ness Net, you just don't know much about business it appears.
>
> -
| |
| Oxford 2007-10-22, 10:33 pm |
| "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
> SURE you will.
are you angry that i've found a loophole in turning a $100 credit into
$130 cash?
it sure seems so...
| |
| Oxford 2007-10-22, 10:33 pm |
| "Ness Net" <richard@nomore.damn.spam.nessnet.com> wrote:
> Only clerks and low level peons have the time to dick
> around like you propose. As a clerk / stockboy you have
> the ample time to spare, I see... Most people value their
> time more than you do.
or i could be independently wealthy... :) there are two ends to every
scale. it took about 5 minutes to get the credit, 3 minutes to post it
to ebay, and about 3 seconds to lick a stamp.
> I certainly do. The time this would take would cost me more
> than the net $. Clearly, YOU don't understand "business"...
ah, I got $130 for less than 9 minutes of work... or about $866 an
hour... not bad work if you can get it... how about you?
> Your convoluted method below is not "business".
> Bottom line, you saying this is "business" one again shows
> your astounding and complete stupidity.
sure it is, anything that generates money is "business". some day you'll
learn this...
| |
| Oxford's Deads Brain Cells 2007-10-22, 10:33 pm |
| Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
7A843C.19223222102007@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net:
> "Ness Net" <richard@nomore.damn.spam.nessnet.com> wrote:
>
>
> or i could be independently wealthy... :)
Or you just be stupid.
| |
| Oxford 2007-10-22, 10:33 pm |
| Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:
> Look at the current completed listings. The only ones that hope to
> realize that amount are those doing a BIN, and even then only a couple
> have sold. The rest are well under. What's your feedback rating, and
> have you sold related products before? an eBay newbie or anything less
> than a 99% pos is going to put your chances even less.
so you don't know how to work ebay it seems, do a "completed" listing
search, then sort high to low... the highest go for $300-$320 or so, but
average is $139... and since my perfect feedback ensures i'll at least
get that much, probably a bit more, i'm golden.
| |
|
| In article <elmop-21322D. 11434022102007@nntp1
.usenetserver.com>,
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> In article <znu-3EE0BA.10415722102007@news.individual.net>,
> ZnU <znu@fake.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> Generally, I agree with you.
>
> But perception is reality, and many--most--all?--of those customers who
> were in that position would disagree with you.
I *am* a customer in that position, so the 'all' is definitely wrong....
--
"More than two decades later, it is hard to imagine the Revolutionary War coming
out any other way."
--George W. Bush in Martinsburg, W. Va., July 4, 2007
| |
| Oxford 2007-10-22, 10:33 pm |
| "Oxford's Deads Brain Cells" <is.he@for.real> wrote:
> Or you just be stupid.
Or you can't construct a coherent sentence... see above.
| |
| Oxford's Deads Brain Cells 2007-10-22, 10:33 pm |
| Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
E13250.19503622102007@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net:
> "Oxford's Deads Brain Cells" <is.he@for.real> wrote:
>
>
> Or you can't construct a coherent sentence... see above.
For some reason, I felt the need to speak in your own language.
| |
|
| In article
<colalovesmacs-27BD4F.19272822102007@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net>,
Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote:
> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> so you don't know how to work ebay it seems, do a "completed" listing
> search, then sort high to low... the highest go for $300-$320 or so, but
> average is $139... and since my perfect feedback ensures i'll at least
> get that much, probably a bit more, i'm golden.
No, I buy and sell a lot. Just realistic. Good luck, though.
--
To reply by email, remove the word "space"
| |
| Maverick 2007-10-22, 10:33 pm |
| Oxford's Deads Brain Cells wrote:
> Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
> E13250.19503622102007@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net:
>
>
>
>
> For some reason, I felt the need to speak in your own language.
Don't lower yourself to that of bacteria. Bacteria is the only culture
OxRetard has.
| |
|
| In article < Xns99D1C585EB2E3ishe
forreal@216.196.97.142>,
"Oxford's Deads Brain Cells" <is.he@for.real> wrote:
> Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
> 7A843C.19223222102007@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net:
>
>
> Or you just be stupid.
I'm just stunned to see an Oxford fanboy. You made up a usenet name and
everything. LOL.
Gotta love this group.
--
To reply by email, remove the word "space"
| |
| Oxford 2007-10-23, 4:33 am |
| Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:
>
> No, I buy and sell a lot. Just realistic. Good luck, though.
i do as well, so it should be fine, the worthless value of the dollar
has really juiced international buyers, so it's a fun game to play...
| |
| Todd Allcock 2007-10-23, 10:33 am |
| At 22 Oct 2007 12:35:23 -0700 Tinman wrote:
> Also, you can't use the credit for iTunes Store purchases. Personally,
I
> found that odd.
I don't. The gross margin on Apple hardware is 40-50%, while the margin
on iTunes songs is likely 10% or less. Tha $100 credit would cost Apple
nearly $100 at iTMS, vs. the $50-60 it costs them if you redeem it for
hardware.
| |
| Oxford 2007-10-23, 10:33 am |
| Todd Allcock < elecconnec@AmericaOn
Line.com> wrote:
> I don't. The gross margin on Apple hardware is 40-50%, while the margin
> on iTunes songs is likely 10% or less. Tha $100 credit would cost Apple
> nearly $100 at iTMS, vs. the $50-60 it costs them if you redeem it for
> hardware.
the margin on a song is 30ish% - apple makes .29 cents on each song.
| |
| ben henderson 2007-10-23, 3:33 pm |
|
If you people don't want an iPhone, and hate them so much, why are you
all going out of your way to try and dismiss them as garbage? Just don't
get one and enjoy whatever phone you have and move on.
These jealous rants about iphones are just proving to all just how much
you really want one. I have yet to see anyone who actually owns one
complain about it. <yawn>
| |
| Steve Sobol 2007-10-23, 3:33 pm |
| ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.verizon.]
On 2007-10-23, ben henderson <bh@nospam.com> wrote:
> If you people don't want an iPhone, and hate them so much, why are you
> all going out of your way to try and dismiss them as garbage? Just don't
> get one and enjoy whatever phone you have and move on.
I'm not, but I'm really sick and XXXXing tired of people posting all the
iPhone crap in newsgroups dedicated to CARRIERS WHOSE NETWORKS THE iPHONE
WON'T EVEN RUN ON.
Alt.cellular.cingular, OK. Alt.cellular.tmobile, OK, at least it's the
same technology. .verizon, .sprintpcs, .alltel - come on, those customers
couldn't use a GSM iPhone even if it was unlocked. I've seen posts in all
of those newsgroups. .nokia? Why? So some drooling Apple fanboy can tell us
all how much Nokia sucks?
My take is that the iPhone is cool. I wouldn't buy one, but I can understand
why other people might. But several newsgroups have been overrun by iPhone
posts. It's obnoxious. Go away already; many (most?) of us don't care.
--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, CA PGP:0xE3AE35ED www.SteveSobol.com
SoCal Fire news at the Los Angeles Times Breaking News Blog:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/breakingnews/
| |
| Screw the i(diot)Phone 2007-10-23, 10:33 pm |
| On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:20:00 -0400, ben henderson <bh@nospam.com>
wrote:
>
>
>If you people don't want an iPhone, and hate them so much, why are you
>all going out of your way to try and dismiss them as garbage? Just don't
>get one and enjoy whatever phone you have and move on.
>
>These jealous rants about iphones are just proving to all just how much
>you really want one. I have yet to see anyone who actually owns one
>complain about it. <yawn>
Says the Oxturd sock puppet. Keep the iPhone shit out of non-relevant
groups, XXXXXXX.
| |
| CozmicDebris 2007-10-23, 10:33 pm |
| Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
A41384.07394123102007@mpls-nnrp-04.inet.qwest.net:
> Todd Allcock < elecconnec@AmericaOn
Line.com> wrote:
>
>
> the margin on a song is 30ish% - apple makes .29 cents on each song.
>
That's not true at all. They make much less than that. Please cite your
source for that information.
| |
| Ness_net 2007-10-23, 10:33 pm |
|
"CozmicDebris" <Brainiac@smart.com> wrote in message news:Xns99D2C67B5196
Disheforreal@216.196.97.142...
> Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
> A41384.07394123102007@mpls-nnrp-04.inet.qwest.net:
>
>
> That's not true at all. They make much less than that. Please cite your
> source for that information.
Oxford works in an Apple store in Minneapolis.
As a low level stock boy.
This gives him unique insight into Apple's margins and business strategy.
If he says it - it MUST be true.
| |
| CozmicDebris 2007-10-23, 10:33 pm |
| "Ness_net" <richard@nomore.damn.spam.nessnet.com> wrote in
news:HY2dnTBJVPEiO4P
anZ2dnUVZ_vmlnZ2d@gi
ganews.com:
>
> "CozmicDebris" <Brainiac@smart.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns99D2C67B5196
Disheforreal@216.196.97.142...
>
>
> Oxford works in an Apple store in Minneapolis.
> As a low level stock boy.
>
> This gives him unique insight into Apple's margins and business
> strategy.
>
> If he says it - it MUST be true.
>
>
>
I've read many of his posts and do notice a theme. I was simply giving him
a chance to admit his error. Of course, the posts I did read indicate that
he simply does not understand very much about the business world or the
american technology industry.
| |
| Ness_net 2007-10-23, 10:33 pm |
|
"ben henderson" <bh@nospam.com> wrote in message news:bh-08F294.14200023102007@news.giganews.com...
>
>
> If you people don't want an iPhone, and hate them so much, why are you
> all going out of your way to try and dismiss them as garbage? Just don't
> get one and enjoy whatever phone you have and move on.
>
> These jealous rants about iphones are just proving to all just how much
> you really want one. I have yet to see anyone who actually owns one
> complain about it. <yawn>
Ben, Ben, Ben.......
It's not the case of me (others?) liking it and Apple - or not.
This is not what is happening.
What IS happening is some LOON of a fanboy (Oxford, or whatever name de jour)
coming into OUR group, making idiotic, baseless and inflammatory statements. Trying
to do everything possible to be a LARGE pain in the XXX. The reaction to his insane shit is
what you are seeing. It is out of place and inappropriate. Not to mention 100% wrong.
Reign wackjob fanboy in and all will settle back down.
| |
| Oxford 2007-10-24, 4:33 am |
| CozmicDebris <Brainiac@smart.com> wrote:
>
> That's not true at all. They make much less than that. Please cite your
> source for that information.
nope, that's the number... the secret is now out...
http://www.businessweek.com/magazin...43/b4055048.htm
The split with record labels--Apple takes 29 cents of the 99 cents--"is
indecent," Vivendi CEO Jean-Bernard Levy told reporters in September.
"Our contracts give too good a share to Apple."
| |
| Oxford 2007-10-24, 4:33 am |
| CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
> I've read many of his posts and do notice a theme. I was simply giving him
> a chance to admit his error. Of course, the posts I did read indicate that
> he simply does not understand very much about the business world or the
> american technology industry.
yes, i know apple better than anyone posting here and know the apple
business tack better than most... not perfect of course, but clearly
understand american business better than you.
-
| |
| Elmo P. Shagnasty 2007-10-24, 7:33 am |
| In article
<colalovesmacs-53DFBE.01023924102007@mpls-nnrp-05.inet.qwest.net>,
Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote:
> yes, i know apple better than anyone posting here
So tell us, Oxford:
who is Adele Goldberg and what crucial role did she play in Steve Jobs's
world?
| |
| Oxford 2007-10-24, 10:33 am |
| "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
> So tell us, Oxford:
>
> who is Adele Goldberg and what crucial role did she play in Steve Jobs's
> world?
only you know your fictitious answer.
so do tell, then we all can laugh at your non-crucial fairy tale.
| |
| CozmicDebris 2007-10-24, 10:33 pm |
| Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in
news:colalovesmacs-53DFBE.01023924102007@mpls-nnrp-05.inet.qwest.net:
> CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>
>
> yes, i know apple better than anyone posting here and know the apple
> business tack better than most... not perfect of course, but clearly
> understand american business better than you.
>
> -
>
Wow. Please post your credentials so we can be assured that your not lying
again.
| |
| CozmicDebris 2007-10-24, 10:33 pm |
| Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in
news:colalovesmacs-BB9F8E.00571024102007@mpls-nnrp-05.inet.qwest.net:
> CozmicDebris <Brainiac@smart.com> wrote:
>
>
> nope, that's the number... the secret is now out...
>
> http://www.businessweek.com/magazin...43/b4055048.htm
>
> The split with record labels--Apple takes 29 cents of the 99
> cents--"is indecent," Vivendi CEO Jean-Bernard Levy told reporters in
> September. "Our contracts give too good a share to Apple."
>
So they have a 30% margin and a 1% profit at best, as admitted by Apple
themselves. What a poorly run company.
| |
| Oxford 2007-10-24, 10:33 pm |
| CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>
> So they have a 30% margin and a 1% profit at best, as admitted by Apple
> themselves. What a poorly run company.
no, Cozmic... apple keeps around 20 profit on each song. the reason you
are confused is you bought into the RDF when steve said "we don't make
much on the itunes store". and yes, i realize you don't know much about
RDF or apple, or business for that matter. but that was a "bluff". (look
it up)
steve was simply tricking potential competitors by making it sound like
there wasn't any money in downloadable music. we all knew that was
untrue, now we know apple makes 29 cents per song, and about 9 cents
goes for overhead.
please learn more about business before you post again.
thanks!
| |
| Scott 2007-10-24, 10:33 pm |
| Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
9B9304.18051624102007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net:
> CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>
>
> no, Cozmic... apple keeps around 20 profit on each song. the reason you
> are confused is you bought into the RDF when steve said "we don't make
> much on the itunes store". and yes, i realize you don't know much about
> RDF or apple, or business for that matter. but that was a "bluff". (look
> it up)
On the contrary, dear child- based on your somewhat childish rants, I'm
willing to be that I graduated college (the first time) beforre you were
born, got my MBA before you could talk and was programming on Apple
computers before you got out of diapers. Since then, I have worked my way
up through not one, but two Fortune 500 companies, the latest of which
using technology that you have shown an inability to comprehend. Now, I
consult for three Fortune 500 technology companies at the executive level.
I'm afraid that your experience as an Apple stockboy doesn't do you any
good here.
>
> steve was simply tricking potential competitors by making it sound like
> there wasn't any money in downloadable music. we all knew that was
> untrue, now we know apple makes 29 cents per song, and about 9 cents
> goes for overhead.
So, you're saying he lied to Apple investors? I bet the FTC woud like to
know more about that.
>
> please learn more about business before you post again.
Despite your factless claims, I forgot more about business than you have
demonstrated here in the last couple of months.
>
> thanks!
>
For telling you that you are stupid?
| |
| Scott 2007-10-24, 10:33 pm |
| Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
9B9304.18051624102007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net:
> CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>
>
> no, Cozmic... apple keeps around 20 profit on each song. the reason you
> are confused is you bought into the RDF when steve said "we don't make
> much on the itunes store". and yes, i realize you don't know much about
> RDF or apple, or business for that matter. but that was a "bluff". (look
> it up)
A bluff on their quarterly investors' call? Hardly. Unlike you, I heard
it from his lips first hand. I didn't read it out of context as obviously
did much later.
| |
|
| CozmicDebris wrote:
> So they have a 30% margin and a 1% profit at best, as admitted by Apple
> themselves. What a poorly run company.
Perhaps they should retain Oxford/Bill Gates/etc. as their marketing
director, as:
Oxford says...
"yes, i know apple better than anyone posting here and know the apple
business tack better than most... not perfect of course, but clearly
understand american business better than you."
| |
| CozmicDebris 2007-10-24, 10:33 pm |
| DTC < no_spam@move_along_f
olks.foob> wrote in news:oURTi.13652$lD6.9045
@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net:
> CozmicDebris wrote:
>
> Perhaps they should retain Oxford/Bill Gates/etc. as their marketing
> director, as:
>
> Oxford says...
>
> "yes, i know apple better than anyone posting here and know the apple
> business tack better than most... not perfect of course, but clearly
> understand american business better than you."
>
Why do I think that my dog would do a better job?
| |
| Maverick 2007-10-24, 10:33 pm |
| Oxford wrote:
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> only you know your fictitious answer.
>
> so do tell, then we all can laugh at your non-crucial fairy tale.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adele_Goldberg_[/ url](computer_scient
ist)
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AHAHAHAHA!!!! When reality bites you hard on the
XXX, eh OxRetard?
| |
| Maverick 2007-10-24, 10:33 pm |
| Scott wrote:
> Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
> 9B9304.18051624102007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net:
>
>
>
>
> A bluff on their quarterly investors' call? Hardly. Unlike you, I heard
> it from his lips first hand. I didn't read it out of context as obviously
> did much later.
>
Pretty good. But don't stand too close to oxtard... his only culture is
bacteria.
| |
| CozmicDebris 2007-10-24, 10:33 pm |
| Maverick <Sun@ranch.org> wrote in
news:A- SdneYxJu97bYLanZ2dnU
VZ_vfinZ2d@bresnan.com:
> Oxford wrote:
>
>
> [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adele_Goldberg_[/ url](computer_scient
ist)
>
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AHAHAHAHA!!!! When reality bites you hard on the
> XXX, eh OxRetard?
>
Gee, Oxford- it looks like somebody just made an idiot out of you. Are you
saying that you didn't know any of this basic information about Dr.
Goldberg? I thought you touted yourself as some kind of genius.
| |
| Elmo P. Shagnasty 2007-10-24, 10:33 pm |
| In article < LtKdnQ1UqqK8fILanZ2d
nUVZ_u2mnZ2d@adelphi
a.com>,
Scott <how.do@you.do> wrote:
> Since then, I have worked my way
> up through not one, but two Fortune 500 companies, the latest of which
> using technology that you have shown an inability to comprehend. Now, I
> consult for three Fortune 500 technology companies at the executive level.
And spend time on Usenet?
| |
| Elmo P. Shagnasty 2007-10-24, 10:33 pm |
| In article
<colalovesmacs-113A85.08262024102007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net>,
Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote:
>
> only you know your fictitious answer.
Keep saying that. You may one day come to believe it.
But you know it's not fictitious, and that I'm far from the only one who
knows the answer. In fact, on this newsgroup, you're probably the only
one who DOESN'T know.
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| Scott 2007-10-24, 10:33 pm |
| "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in
news:elmop-961DDE. 21382524102007@nntp1
.usenetserver.com:
> In article < LtKdnQ1UqqK8fILanZ2d
nUVZ_u2mnZ2d@adelphi
a.com>,
> Scott <how.do@you.do> wrote:
>
>
> And spend time on Usenet?
>
>
Hey- everybody needs a diversion. I have the luxury of not needing to
travel a whole lot (thanks to technology). I also have the additional
luxury of having offices of those three companies within easy driving
distance of the house, which gives me face-to-face access when needed at
the drop of a hat. I simply fire up the laptop to run the work stuff, use
the PC tower to spank the likes of little Oxtard and Navas, with the World
Series on in the background and get paid for it.
A great job.
| |
|
| CozmicDebris wrote:
> Why do I think that my dog would do a better job?
Because he's learned not to crap in the house?
| |
|
| Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article
> <colalovesmacs-53DFBE.01023924102007@mpls-nnrp-05.inet.qwest.net>,
> Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote:
>
>
> So tell us, Oxford:
>
> who is Adele Goldberg and what crucial role did she play in Steve Jobs's
> world?
How odd....of all the articles I've seen in the past few days about Adele
Goldberg, NONE of them make any reference to Apple or Steve Jobs.
| |
|
| In article < raOdnZjlBPGbaILanZ2d
nUVZ_jGdnZ2d@adelphi
a.com>,
Scott <how.do@you.do> wrote:
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in
> news:elmop-961DDE. 21382524102007@nntp1
.usenetserver.com:
>
>
> Hey- everybody needs a diversion. I have the luxury of not needing to
> travel a whole lot (thanks to technology). I also have the additional
> luxury of having offices of those three companies within easy driving
> distance of the house, which gives me face-to-face access when needed at
> the drop of a hat. I simply fire up the laptop to run the work stuff, use
> the PC tower to spank the likes of little Oxtard and Navas, with the World
> Series on in the background and get paid for it.
>
Let's get real. More like spanking your monkey.
Isn't that the real gist of this thread?
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| In article <JcTTi.12214$4V6.10698@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net>,
DTC < no_spam@move_along_f
olks.foob> wrote:
> CozmicDebris wrote:
>
> Because he's learned not to crap in the house?
Are you all 12 years old? Really.
I know you don't like the guy, but these monkey-spanking flames are
pretty adolescent.
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| Scott 2007-10-24, 10:33 pm |
| Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in
news:labolide-E0E310.19563024102007@news.giganews.com:
> In article < raOdnZjlBPGbaILanZ2d
nUVZ_jGdnZ2d@adelphi
a.com>,
> Scott <how.do@you.do> wrote:
>
> Let's get real. More like spanking your monkey.
We'll leave that to a spark plug like yourself.
> Isn't that the real gist of this thread?
>
No- some of us don't take ourselves as seriously as you want us to. And
some of us don't look to geniuses like you to put us in our place. I
couldn't care less about your opinion of me.
The little Oxtard is spewing many inaccuracies, falsehoods and clueless
forecasts. Maybe you could get him to spank your monkey.
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| Oxford 2007-10-24, 10:33 pm |
| "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
> Keep saying that. You may one day come to believe it.
>
> But you know it's not fictitious, and that I'm far from the only one who
> knows the answer. In fact, on this newsgroup, you're probably the only
> one who DOESN'T know.
considering nobody else knows the answer either, it all goes back to you
and your fictitious fantasy that Adele had some "crucial" role in
SJ/Apple's world.
so either fess up or put up with everyone laughing at your undocumented
fantasy.
-
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| CozmicDebris 2007-10-24, 10:33 pm |
| Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in
news:colalovesmacs-635EFD.21225424102007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net:
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
>
> considering nobody else knows the answer either, it all goes back to
> you and your fictitious fantasy that Adele had some "crucial" role in
> SJ/Apple's world.
>
> so either fess up or put up with everyone laughing at your
> undocumented fantasy.
>
> -
>
Hmmm- I just looked. I don't see anybody laughing at Elmo.
| |
| Oxford 2007-10-24, 10:33 pm |
| Maverick <Sun@ranch.org> wrote:
>
> [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adele_Goldberg_[/ url](computer_scient
ist)
>
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AHAHAHAHA!!!! When reality bites you hard on the
> XXX, eh OxRetard?
ah, did you even read that link? nothing about Apple or Steve Jobs. The
only minor connection is the both live in Palo Alto, but no reference to
any "crucial" exchange between them exists.
sorry Maverick, reality bites you hard on the XXX... again.
| |
| Oxford 2007-10-24, 10:33 pm |
| CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>
> Gee, Oxford- it looks like somebody just made an idiot out of you. Are you
> saying that you didn't know any of this basic information about Dr.
> Goldberg? I thought you touted yourself as some kind of genius.
Well, it's up to you or someone to find the documented "crucial" link
between the two. It certainly wasn't in the link Maverick provided.
So you are the 2nd person falling into Elmo's little game with his own
mind.
So we now have 3 idiots, all claiming something that doesn't exist.
| |
| CozmicDebris 2007-10-25, 4:33 am |
| Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
8C7D22.21265124102007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net:
> Maverick <Sun@ranch.org> wrote:
>
>
> ah, did you even read that link? nothing about Apple or Steve Jobs. The
> only minor connection is the both live in Palo Alto, but no reference to
> any "crucial" exchange between them exists.
>
> sorry Maverick, reality bites you hard on the XXX... again.
>
Actually, there was a very good clue in that wikipedia entry, Oxford.
| |
| CozmicDebris 2007-10-25, 4:33 am |
| Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in
news:colalovesmacs-CF3E3F.21301724102007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net:
> CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>
>
> Well, it's up to you or someone to find the documented "crucial" link
> between the two. It certainly wasn't in the link Maverick provided.
>
> So you are the 2nd person falling into Elmo's little game with his own
> mind.
>
> So we now have 3 idiots, all claiming something that doesn't exist.
>
Okay, Oxford. You've been given numerous opportunities to find it your
self- here's another clue:
http://www.smalltalk.org/alankay.html
But having to provide this to you really does show your own shortcomings
and complete lack of knowledge.
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| Oxford 2007-10-25, 4:33 am |
| DTC < no_spam@move_along_f
olks.foob> wrote:
>
> How odd....of all the articles I've seen in the past few days about Adele
> Goldberg, NONE of them make any reference to Apple or Steve Jobs.
it's because there is no connection. the only link is she was at PARC
when Apple paid for a visit. She didn't go to Apple like 8 other PARC
researchers did, nor did she contribut to the LISA or Mac, so she is a
figment of Elmo's imagination.
| |
| Oxford 2007-10-25, 4:33 am |
| CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>
> Okay, Oxford. You've been given numerous opportunities to find it your
> self- here's another clue:
>
> http://www.smalltalk.org/alankay.html
>
> But having to provide this to you really does show your own shortcomings
> and complete lack of knowledge.
Yes, Alan Kay greatly contributed to Apple and worked there for quite
awhile, but no contributions from Adele.
Still waiting for you or Elmo or Maverick to come up with something.
-
| |
| Oxford 2007-10-25, 4:33 am |
| CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
> Actually, there was a very good clue in that wikipedia entry, Oxford.
Where? Where did it say anything about Apple or Steve Jobs in that
wikipedia entry?
Fact is, Adele helped type up some manuals, put out cookies and
refreshments for the visiting Apple engineers. But other than that,
Adele didn't contribute anything to Apple or Steve Jobs.
If you find something let us all know!
-
| |
| Oxford 2007-10-25, 4:33 am |
| CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
> Hmmm- I just looked. I don't see anybody laughing at Elmo.
they are laughing so hard they can't even type!
the joke is clearly on Elmo, so while he continues to try and get out of
it... I've backed him so far in a corner that he can't wiggle out.
| |
| Elmo P. Shagnasty 2007-10-25, 7:33 am |
| In article
<colalovesmacs-635EFD.21225424102007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net>,
Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote:
>
> considering nobody else knows the answer either,
In your world, do dogs shit filet mignon, too?
| |
| Elmo P. Shagnasty 2007-10-25, 7:33 am |
| In article
<colalovesmacs-4721FF.22150924102007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net>,
Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote:
> Fact is, Adele helped type up some manuals, put out cookies and
> refreshments for the visiting Apple engineers. But other than that,
> Adele didn't contribute anything to Apple or Steve Jobs.
ohmigod. I can't believe he said this.
I mean, yeah, I know it's Oxford, but still. I just can't believe he
said this.
| |
| Elmo P. Shagnasty 2007-10-25, 7:33 am |
| In article
<colalovesmacs-CF3E3F.21301724102007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net>,
Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote:
> Well, it's up to you or someone to find the documented "crucial" link
> between the two. It certainly wasn't in the link Maverick provided.
It was given to you a couple of weeks ago, and yet you STILL managed not
to see it.
| |
| George Kerby 2007-10-25, 10:33 am |
|
On 10/24/07 8:38 PM, in article
elmop-961DDE. 21382524102007@nntp1
.usenetserver.com, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> In article < LtKdnQ1UqqK8fILanZ2d
nUVZ_u2mnZ2d@adelphi
a.com>,
> Scott <how.do@you.do> wrote:
>
>
> And spend time on Usenet?
>
Naw. He has his 'people' do that for him...
| |
| George Kerby 2007-10-25, 10:33 am |
|
On 10/24/07 8:44 PM, in article
raOdnZjlBPGbaILanZ2d
nUVZ_jGdnZ2d@adelphi
a.com, "Scott" <how.do@you.do>
wrote:
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in
> news:elmop-961DDE. 21382524102007@nntp1
.usenetserver.com:
>
>
> Hey- everybody needs a diversion. I have the luxury of not needing to
> travel a whole lot (thanks to technology). I also have the additional
> luxury of having offices of those three companies within easy driving
> distance of the house, which gives me face-to-face access when needed at
> the drop of a hat. I simply fire up the laptop to run the work stuff, use
> the PC tower to spank the likes of little Oxtard and Navas, with the World
> Series on in the background and get paid for it.
>
> A great job.
And a fancy imagination.
| |
| Oxford 2007-10-25, 10:33 am |
| "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
> It was given to you a couple of weeks ago, and yet you STILL managed not
> to see it.
did your imaginary friend post it? because you are nobody else posted or
has found anything crucial between Alede and Apple/SJ...
keep on trying Elmo! we all think you can do it!
we need more laughs since it appears you are becoming the next Slade!
-
| |
|
| In article < KuKdnYp1RI6tlr3anZ2d
nUVZ_rqlnZ2d@adelphi
a.com>,
Scott <how.do@you.do> wrote:
> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in
> news:labolide-E0E310.19563024102007@news.giganews.com:
>
>
> We'll leave that to a spark plug like yourself.
>
>
>
> No- some of us don't take ourselves as seriously as you want us to. And
> some of us don't look to geniuses like you to put us in our place. I
> couldn't care less about your opinion of me.
>
LOL
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|
| Kurt wrote:
> In article <JcTTi.12214$4V6.10698@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net>,
> DTC < no_spam@move_along_f
olks.foob> wrote:
>
>
> Are you all 12 years old? Really.
> I know you don't like the guy, but these monkey-spanking flames are
> pretty adolescent.
No....sorry....I was pondering if your dogs was most likely more well
behaved than Oxford if your dog knows to not crap inside the house.
| |
|
| In article <zV3Ui.461$yV6.411@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
DTC < no_spam@move_along_f
olks.foob> wrote:
> Kurt wrote:
>
>
> No....sorry....I was pondering if your dogs was most likely more well
> behaved than Oxford if your dog knows to not crap inside the house.
Spank away!
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| Scott 2007-10-25, 10:33 pm |
| George Kerby < ghost_topper@hotmail
.com> wrote in
news:C34606D4. 3F540%ghost_topper@h
otmail.com:
>
>
>
> On 10/24/07 8:44 PM, in article
> raOdnZjlBPGbaILanZ2d
nUVZ_jGdnZ2d@adelphi
a.com, "Scott" <how.do@you.do>
> wrote:
>
>
> And a fancy imagination.
>
>
Not at all. I have no reason to lie, as I really don't care what the
opinion is of me by any reader of these newsgroups. Unlike most, I'll let
the opinion be based on the facts used in my posts. If you're finding the
need to comment on something other than the true discussion at hand, you're
contributing less than the troll.
| |
| Scott 2007-10-25, 10:33 pm |
| Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in
news:labolide-8F5965.08015325102007@news.giganews.com:
> In article < KuKdnYp1RI6tlr3anZ2d
nUVZ_rqlnZ2d@adelphi
a.com>,
> Scott <how.do@you.do> wrote:
>
> LOL
>
Your's would be towards the top of that list.
| |
| CozmicDebris 2007-10-25, 10:33 pm |
| Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in
news:colalovesmacs-1377E1.22114524102007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net:
> CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>
>
> Yes, Alan Kay greatly contributed to Apple and worked there for quite
> awhile, but no contributions from Adele.
>
> Still waiting for you or Elmo or Maverick to come up with something.
>
> -
Sorry, Oxford, You are the only one not seeing this, despite multiple
citations. I can't save you from your own stupidity.
| |
| Scott 2007-10-25, 10:33 pm |
| Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
4B91C0.22170724102007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net:
> CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>
>
> they are laughing so hard they can't even type!
I'm sorry, Oxford, that doesn't make any sense. Even all of the Apple guys
have acknowledged the connection. The only laughing going on here is
directed at you.
>
> the joke is clearly on Elmo, so while he continues to try and get out of
> it... I've backed him so far in a corner that he can't wiggle out.
Again, I'm sorry. The facts clearly point to an entirely different
outcome.
| |
| Maverick 2007-10-25, 10:33 pm |
| Oxford wrote:
> CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Well, it's up to you or someone to find the documented "crucial" link
> between the two. It certainly wasn't in the link Maverick provided.
>
> So you are the 2nd person falling into Elmo's little game with his own
> mind.
>
> So we now have 3 idiots, all claiming something that doesn't exist.
Guffaw!!! That's why you nicknames OxRetard.
The proof is obviously there all right. You are just too stupid to see
it. Your ignorance can be cured. Do you want some more spankings,
OxRetard??
| |
| Maverick 2007-10-25, 10:33 pm |
| CozmicDebris wrote:
> Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in
> news:colalovesmacs-CF3E3F.21301724102007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net:
>
>
>
>
> Okay, Oxford. You've been given numerous opportunities to find it your
> self- here's another clue:
>
> http://www.smalltalk.org/alankay.html
>
> But having to provide this to you really does show your own shortcomings
> and complete lack of knowledge.
He doens't know what smalltalk language had done for Apple on their very
first Object Oriented graphical user interface... the Lisa. All
Smalltalk, but OxRetard thought it was bedroom talk... a place he hasn't
been.
| |
| Maverick 2007-10-25, 10:33 pm |
| CozmicDebris wrote:
> Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in
> news:colalovesmacs-1377E1.22114524102007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net:
>
>
>
>
> Sorry, Oxford, You are the only one not seeing this, despite multiple
> citations. I can't save you from your own stupidity.
ROFLMAO!!! :-))))
| |
| Maverick 2007-10-25, 10:33 pm |
| Oxford wrote:
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> did your imaginary friend post it? because you are nobody else posted or
> has found anything crucial between Alede and Apple/SJ...
>
> keep on trying Elmo! we all think you can do it!
>
> we need more laughs since it appears you are becoming the next Slade!
>
> -
Apple computers most useful fool... OxRetard.
| |
| Maverick 2007-10-25, 10:33 pm |
| Oxford wrote:
> Maverick <Sun@ranch.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> ah, did you even read that link? nothing about Apple or Steve Jobs. The
> only minor connection is the both live in Palo Alto, but no reference to
> any "crucial" exchange between them exists.
>
> sorry Maverick, reality bites you hard on the XXX... again.
You are too stupid to see and obviously you've never programmed.
Otherwise, if you were a programmer it couldn't help but bite you in the
XXX. Reality can't bite you in the XXX this time... it was bitten off a
long time ago.
| |
| Maverick 2007-10-25, 10:33 pm |
| Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article
> <colalovesmacs-4721FF.22150924102007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net>,
> Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> ohmigod. I can't believe he said this.
>
> I mean, yeah, I know it's Oxford, but still. I just can't believe he
> said this.
>
Ain't he a gem? :-))
| |
| Maverick 2007-10-25, 10:33 pm |
| Oxford wrote:
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> considering nobody else knows the answer either, it all goes back to you
> and your fictitious fantasy that Adele had some "crucial" role in
> SJ/Apple's world.
>
> so either fess up or put up with everyone laughing at your undocumented
> fantasy.
>
Is that laughter you hear coming from the inside or outside your head?
| |
|
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