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Apple iPhone is GSM
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| In article < 3irur29rl7n1nfktfb8d
5c58f8qe36mi6v@4ax.com>,
John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:07:57 -0800, Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote
> in <labolide-A6CBF9.08075730012007@news.giganews.com>:
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> The Doors got its start from a huge underground response to bootleg
> copies of a six-song demo and to its wildly popular live appearances.
> That would have worked just as well today as it did then, especially
> given the current dearth of comparably spectacular music (IMnsHO at
> least).
But it was a different time back then. The world was smaller, the record
industry was much smaller. You have more than quadruple the amount of
releases out today that you did then.
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| Jeffrey Kaplan 2007-01-30, 3:33 pm |
| It is alleged that John Navas claimed:
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> iTunes will burn downloaded "DRM crippled" singles to CD, which can then
> be ripped and transcoded to whatever format you like. With a CD-RW, no
> disc is wasted.
But at an even more degraded audio quality.
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| John Navas 2007-01-30, 3:33 pm |
| On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:28:36 -0800, Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote
in <labolide-C0DC23.10283630012007@news.giganews.com>:
>Musicians do negotiate decent royalties, ...
In what universe? In this universe the typical net artist royalty is
about $0.03 per track ($0.33 per CD).* Sell 10,000 CDs and net $3,300.
Zippie do. Can you say "pitiful"?
* Source: "ABC's of the Music Industry"
<http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/3-29-2006-92188.asp>
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| John Navas 2007-01-30, 3:33 pm |
| On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:43:37 -0500, Jeffrey Kaplan <nomail@gordol.org>
wrote in < nd4vr2hg7tcvq8mbhsap
508r35q9md5kdq@gordo
l.org>:
>It is alleged that John Navas claimed:
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>But at an even more degraded audio quality.
There's no additional degradation from burning a CD, ripping, and
trancoding to a lossless format like Monkey's Audio (or Apple Lossless
[with DRM removed]). The only degradation is from the original AAC
encoding, which is relatively small.
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| Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
> It is alleged that John Navas claimed:
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> But at an even more degraded audio quality.
There are ways to convert the DRM protected M4P files to MP3 without
degradation of audio quality. The intermediate step of a CD does degrade
quality, but for a portable player I doubt that you'd notice any difference.
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| clifto 2007-01-30, 3:33 pm |
| John Navas wrote:
> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:
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> In what universe? In this universe the typical net artist royalty is
> about $0.03 per track ($0.33 per CD).* Sell 10,000 CDs and net $3,300.
> Zippie do. Can you say "pitiful"?
"in 37 years as a recording artist, I've created 25+ albums for major
labels, and I've *never once* received a royalty check that didn't show
I owed *them* money." -- Janis Ian, multiple Grammy Award winning
singer/songwriter, performer of at least two multimillion-selling records
<http://www.janisian.com/article-internet_debacle.html>
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All rude people are impertinent.
Therefore, no rude people are relevant.
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| Paul Miner 2007-01-30, 3:33 pm |
| On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:43:37 -0500, Jeffrey Kaplan <nomail@gordol.org>
wrote:
>It is alleged that John Navas claimed:
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>But at an even more degraded audio quality.
Some people seem to equate transcoding with digital copying. I'm not
sure why.
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Paul Miner
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| clifto wrote:
> "in 37 years as a recording artist, I've created 25+ albums for major
> labels, and I've *never once* received a royalty check that didn't show
> I owed *them* money." -- Janis Ian, multiple Grammy Award winning
> singer/songwriter, performer of at least two multimillion-selling records
The artist is lucky to receive 20¢ per CD, on sales of 1,000,000 $15 CDs.
See "http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/music-royalties6.htm".
This is beginning to change as big-name artists can cut different types
of distribution deals.
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| SMS wrote:
> clifto wrote:
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> The artist is lucky to receive 20¢ per CD, on sales of 1,000,000 $15 CDs.
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> See "http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/music-royalties6.htm".
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> This is beginning to change as big-name artists can cut different types
> of distribution deals.
You folks just hit the nail on the head on why I no longer work in the
music/radio industry. What you may find via Google on this subject
matter is only about 10-15% of what *really* happens in the industry.
I pretty much have to now resort to holding back what I can/or will say
on this subject(NDA!) but I will shed a little bit more light on this
and then I'm done.
Let's say a CD costs the consumer $15. You already know that the artist
is LUCKY to even see 20 cents off each CD sold. So where does the
majority of the other $14.80 go??? If you guessed marketing, you
guessed right. Now ask yourself, what is music *marketing* and why does
it appear to cost a lion's share?
(I left a hint with my first sentence)
Ted Novak
TRA#5512
IEAS#75
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| Greg Buchner 2007-01-30, 3:33 pm |
| In article < Xns98C863EF7AB7Fnoon
ehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> Randall Ainsworth <rag@nospam.techline.com> wrote in
> news:300120070527134
145%rag@nospam.techline.com:
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> Ding! Give that man a free subscription to Itunes!
No argument on the Apple front, but from what I've seen, Verizon would
likely have wanted to cripple the iPhone as much, or maybe more, than
Apple.
I'd guess that Verizon would only want the iPhone to work as an iPod if
the music was bought through and downloaded via Verizon. Same thing
with transferring pics and such back and forth...
Greg B.
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| Scott 2007-01-30, 10:33 pm |
| John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote in
news:85rtr2d8dlo0qg0
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4ax.com:
> On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:59:10 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
> wrote in < 45bed0a3$0$69038$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:
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> "First" is another of your inventions -- the actual story (rumor)
> <http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2...on-iphone_x.htm>
> just says Verizon turned Apple down. If true (there is no independent
> corroboration), that might well mean that Apple approached _both_
> Cingular and Verizon (hint: that's a common practice, called a
> "bidding war"); Cingular won the bidding; and Verizon is now trying to
> put a good face on losing and the likely adverse impact on its market
> share.
>
Or, as those of us in the real would read it, Apple did indeed go to
Verizon first and were turned away. Of course you wouldn't possibly be
able to see that through those Cingular-colored glasses you always seem to
wear.
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| Scott 2007-01-30, 10:33 pm |
| John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote in
news:dh2vr25l1pen8vl
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4ax.com:
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:56:47 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
> wrote in < 45bf86e3$0$69000$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:
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> According to self-serving spin from Verizon,
Which has not been refuted by Apple or anyone else in the industry. This
would take it from 'spin' and put it in the 'real news' category.
Face it, Novice- you cheerlead for the second choice and not the first
pick.
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| Mij Adyaw 2007-01-30, 10:33 pm |
| Navas is like Rodney Dangerfield; he don't get no respect!!
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> Face it, Novice- you cheerlead for the second choice and not the first
> pick.
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| Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in news:labolide-124DA7.09564929012007
@news.giganews.com:
> get yourself her "Live
> in Paris" DVD. Yow!
>
Got it...fantastic music. I'm listening to it now....(c;
Larry
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Democracy is when two wolves and a sheep vote on who's for dinner.
Liberty is when the sheep has his own gun.
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| In article < Xns98CAAC0E132Dnoone
homecom@208.49.80.253>,
Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in news:labolide-124DA7.09564929012007
> @news.giganews.com:
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> Got it...fantastic music. I'm listening to it now....(c;
>
> Larry
The Claus Ogerman arrangements were incredible.
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