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| P.Schuman 2007-01-09, 3:33 pm |
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> Keynote is over, Apple.com has been updated:
> http://www.apple.com/iphone/
>
It's listed as a GSM device,
so probably only for Cingular for widest customer base.
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| Cyrus Afzali 2007-01-09, 3:33 pm |
| On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 20:47:55 GMT, "P.Schuman"
< pschuman_nospam_me@i
nterserv.com> wrote:
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>It's listed as a GSM device,
>so probably only for Cingular for widest customer base.
>
Strictly speaking, it's not only for Cingular; they're just getting it
first. I'm sure T-Mobile will have it too once the exclusivity period
runs out. You can also likely look for different technology versions
so it will work with other carriers.
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| karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net 2007-01-09, 3:33 pm |
| On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 20:47:55 GMT, "P.Schuman"
< pschuman_nospam_me@i
nterserv.com> wrote:
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>It's listed as a GSM device,
>so probably only for Cingular for widest customer base.
>
It's quad band so in theory you could get it unlocked and use it with
T-Mobile.
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| (PeteCresswell) 2007-01-09, 3:33 pm |
| Per P. Schuman:
>http://www.apple.com/iphone/
Did I overlook something or is the PDA function missing?
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| Peter Ross 2007-01-09, 3:33 pm |
| Cyrus Afzali wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 20:47:55 GMT, "P.Schuman"
> < pschuman_nospam_me@i
nterserv.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Strictly speaking, it's not only for Cingular; they're just getting it
> first. I'm sure T-Mobile will have it too once the exclusivity period
> runs out. You can also likely look for different technology versions
> so it will work with other carriers.
>
Jobs said they developed their new phone with, and for, Cingular which,
he said, is the best carrier with the most subscribers. He said that
Cingular and Apple will continue to work together to innovate with this
phone and other ideas.
He also said that they are changing the name of the company from Apple
Computer to Apple, Inc. because they are no longer just a computer company.
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| karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net 2007-01-09, 10:33 pm |
| On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 16:16:55 -0500, "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid>
wrote:
>Per P.Schuman:
>
>Did I overlook something or is the PDA function missing?
Take a look at http://www.apple.com/iphone/
and tell me what PDA function you think is missing.
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| (PeteCresswell) 2007-01-09, 10:33 pm |
| Per karlkrandall@sbcglob
al.net:
>
>Take a look at http://www.apple.com/iphone/
>and tell me what PDA function you think is missing.
Now I see it. Thanks.
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| Edgar 2007-01-09, 10:33 pm |
| < karlkrandall@sbcglob
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> On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 16:16:55 -0500, "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid>
> wrote:
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> Take a look at http://www.apple.com/iphone/
> and tell me what PDA function you think is missing.
It runs OSX so whatever PIM functions (or ANY functions really) you could
run on your Mac you could run on this (in theory, we won't know till June I
guess).
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| P.Schuman wrote:
> It's listed as a GSM device,
> so probably only for Cingular for widest customer base.
The strangest thing is that it's not 3G. It's only EDGE.
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| karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net 2007-01-09, 10:33 pm |
| On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 15:38:34 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:
>P.Schuman wrote:
>
>The strangest thing is that it's not 3G. It's only EDGE.
Ummm.. It's also WiFi 802.11c and g
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| karlkrandall@sbcglob
al.net wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 15:38:34 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Ummm.. It's also WiFi 802.11c and g
Yes, but why wouldn't they include 3G so that it can use Cingular's
HSDPA networks. EDGE is too slow. The original reports on the iPhone
said that there would be two versions, a lower cost EDGE version, and a
higher cost 3G version. Maybe the 3G version is the follow-on product,
but spending $600 for a phone without 3G is ludicrous.
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| Paul Miner 2007-01-09, 10:33 pm |
| On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 00:53:33 GMT, karlkrandall@sbcglob
al.net wrote:
>On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 15:38:34 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
>wrote:
>
>
>
>Ummm.. It's also WiFi 802.11c and g
Wi-Fi (802.11b/g) + EDGE + Bluetooth 2.0
That initial reference to 802.11c threw me. ;-)
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| ru2b12 2007-01-09, 10:33 pm |
| In article < 45a43bd3$0$68974$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> karlkrandall@sbcglob
al.net wrote:
>
> Yes, but why wouldn't they include 3G so that it can use Cingular's
> HSDPA networks. EDGE is too slow. The original reports on the iPhone
> said that there would be two versions, a lower cost EDGE version, and a
> higher cost 3G version. Maybe the 3G version is the follow-on product,
> but spending $600 for a phone without 3G is ludicrous.
During the presentation it was mentioned that there will be 3G support
though no timetable was given. Not due until june, a lot could change
between now and then.
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| P.Schuman 2007-01-09, 10:33 pm |
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< karlkrandall@sbcglob
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> On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 15:38:34 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Ummm.. It's also WiFi 802.11c and g
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| P.Schuman 2007-01-09, 10:33 pm |
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< karlkrandall@sbcglob
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yeah - that's what originally clued me into it being on Cingular.
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| Sven Golly 2007-01-09, 10:33 pm |
| "P.Schuman" < pschuman_nospam_me@i
nterserv.com> wrote in news:%bToh.57951
$qO4.45769@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net:
> It's listed as a GSM device,
> so probably only for Cingular for widest customer base.
I'll be interested to see how that touch screen holds up in actual real
world customer use. Cold. Damp. Heat. Hand lotion. Fingernails. Purses.
Mink lined gloveboxes. Old pizza cartons.
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| In article <ru2b12-0A327A. 21320809012007@comca
st.dca.giganews.com>,
ru2b12 <ru2b12@nomayo.com> wrote:
> In article < 45a43bd3$0$68974$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>
> During the presentation it was mentioned that there will be 3G support
> though no timetable was given. Not due until june, a lot could change
> between now and then.
I think waiting a few months to same how this all sorts out is what's in
order anyway. Thankfully (I guess) my Cingular contract prevents me from
doing any upgrading for a few months.
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| Dennis Ferguson 2007-01-09, 10:33 pm |
| On 2007-01-10, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> karlkrandall@sbcglob
al.net wrote:
>
> Yes, but why wouldn't they include 3G so that it can use Cingular's
> HSDPA networks. EDGE is too slow. The original reports on the iPhone
> said that there would be two versions, a lower cost EDGE version, and a
> higher cost 3G version. Maybe the 3G version is the follow-on product,
> but spending $600 for a phone without 3G is ludicrous.
They can sell the current phone in Europe too; all the features they
have work there as well. 3G support on the phone is valueless in Europe,
however, unless the phone also supports 2100 MHz, and a 5-band phone is a
problem no manufacturer has tackled yet.
Maybe they're leaving that for their next trick. I can't imagine this
phone will remain at $600 forever (the first RAZR I saw, in Hong Kong,
well before Cingular began to sell them, was US$1000).
Dennis Ferguson
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| karlkrandall@sbcglob
al.net wrote in
news:o138q2thcmsasbj
s23a48j8qfgp2mdjmpp@
4ax.com:
> and tell me what PDA function you think is missing.
>
I see it says it also does wifi. It will be interesting to see how
Cingular is going to hobble that up to force you to use their $network$.
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| SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in news:45a43bd3$0$6897
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$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
> Yes, but why wouldn't they include 3G so that it can use Cingular's
> HSDPA networks. EDGE is too slow. The original reports on the iPhone
> said that there would be two versions, a lower cost EDGE version, and a
> higher cost 3G version. Maybe the 3G version is the follow-on product,
> but spending $600 for a phone without 3G is ludicrous.
>
>
Spending $600 on ANYTHING that won't play an MP3 is really stupid.....
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| Larry wrote:
> Spending $600 on ANYTHING that won't play an MP3 is really stupid.....
are you sure the iPhone can't play mp3s? All the other iPods can play
mp3s, so I don't see why the iPhone wouldn't. I think only the first
generation iPods couldn't play mp3s.
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| Randall Ainsworth 2007-01-10, 7:33 am |
| In article < Xns98B46B96C0FBnoone
homecom@208.49.80.253>, Larry
<noone@home.com> wrote:
> Spending $600 on ANYTHING that won't play an MP3 is really stupid.....
It's also an iPod, stupid.
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| karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net 2007-01-10, 10:33 am |
| On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:05:17 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:
> karlkrandall@sbcglob
al.net wrote:
>
>Yes, but why wouldn't they include 3G so that it can use Cingular's
>HSDPA networks. EDGE is too slow. The original reports on the iPhone
>said that there would be two versions, a lower cost EDGE version, and a
>higher cost 3G version. Maybe the 3G version is the follow-on product,
>but spending $600 for a phone without 3G is ludicrous.
Its not just a phone, its all of a Blackberry, an iPod, a PDA, a
phone, and a true html browser that fits in your pocket at 5 ounces..
Name another phone that dioes Google Maps.
They are hints and rumors that 3G and GPS are
on the way, whether that can be done by firmware upgrade or next years
model isn't clear yet.
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| karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net 2007-01-10, 10:33 am |
| On 10 Jan 2007 03:20:09 GMT, Sven Golly < sven_medelsvensson@g
mail.com>
wrote:
>
>"P.Schuman" < pschuman_nospam_me@i
nterserv.com> wrote in news:%bToh.57951
>$qO4.45769@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net:
>
>
>I'll be interested to see how that touch screen holds up in actual real
>world customer use. Cold. Damp. Heat. Hand lotion. Fingernails. Purses.
>Mink lined gloveboxes. Old pizza cartons.
Apple has surely learned their lesson after the first generation iPod
Nano. And Belkin and others will have screen protectors by Day One of
Sales.
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| Larry 2007-01-10, 10:33 am |
| "Bucky" <uw_badgers@email.com> wrote in news:1168421277.372151.207030
@i39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
> are you sure the iPhone can't play mp3s? All the other iPods can play
> mp3s, so I don't see why the iPhone wouldn't. I think only the first
> generation iPods couldn't play mp3s.
>
>
>
Doesn't the loader software for the ipod convert MP3s to Ipoditis? Isn't
that why you can't just load it on there with Win Explorer and punch play?
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< karlkrandall@sbcglob
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> On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:05:17 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Its not just a phone, its all of a Blackberry, an iPod, a PDA, a
> phone, and a true html browser that fits in your pocket at 5 ounces..
> Name another phone that dioes Google Maps.
>
My Blackberry Pearl does Google Maps, what's the big deal?
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| (PeteCresswell) 2007-01-10, 10:33 am |
| Per karlkrandall@sbcglob
al.net:
>
>Apple has surely learned their lesson after the first generation iPod
>Nano. And Belkin and others will have screen protectors by Day One of
>Sales.
I wonder.... Certainly my 60-gig iPod's screen is quite badly scratched up after
less than a year's use - and it's never been in a pocket, always in the belt
carrier or a charging stand.
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| karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net 2007-01-10, 10:33 am |
| On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 09:24:33 -0500, "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid>
wrote:
>Per karlkrandall@sbcglob
al.net:
>
>I wonder.... Certainly my 60-gig iPod's screen is quite badly scratched up after
>less than a year's use - and it's never been in a pocket, always in the belt
>carrier or a charging stand.
Should have spent a few bucks for a screen protector. I use them on my
cell phones, and they then end up looking like new after 2 years when
I sell them on eBay.
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| Bill Marriott 2007-01-10, 10:33 am |
| > Doesn't the loader software for the ipod convert MP3s to Ipoditis? Isn't
> that why you can't just load it on there with Win Explorer and punch play?
No.
- WMA files must be converted to AAC
- You have the OPTION of downsampling music to 128bps AAC, but this is to
enable you to fit more songs
You can definitely play native MP3s on all current iPods.
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| Bill Marriott 2007-01-10, 10:33 am |
| > Name another phone that does Google Maps.
Treo 700p
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| karlkrandall@sbcglob
al.net wrote:
\
> They are hints and rumors that 3G and GPS are
> on the way, whether that can be done by firmware upgrade or next years
> model isn't clear yet.
Hopefully this is the case. I'd advise waiting for the 3G version, even
if it ends up being more expensive, but the price points of this device
are not going to hold up at $500 and $600.
ZDNet wrote:
"Although we're pleased Apple made it a quad-band (GSM
850/900/1800/1900) world phone, we're disappointed the iPhone's data
support tops out at 2.5G EDGE networks. Considering the
multimedia-friendly feature set, the omission of any 3G compatibility is
a bit bizarre, particularly since Cingular now offers UMTS and HSDPA."
If you look at the device as an OSx web pad/iPod/PDA, the price isn't
excessive, it's when you think of it as a phone on one of the worst
carriers in the U.S., that it seems expensive.
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| P.Schuman wrote:
> It's listed as a GSM device,
> so probably only for Cingular for widest customer base.
I was in BJ's, next to Apple's campus in Cupertino, about six months ago
and I overheard some Apple people talking about the iPhone, and Verizon.
They had pitched it to Verizon, but Verizon made some unacceptable demands:
1. Bluetooth needed to be disabled, except for the headset.
2. Music could only be downloaded from Verizon's music service
3. WiFi would be disabled anytime the device detected Verizon's network
4. The OS would have to be Windows Embedded
5. Every photo taken would have to be immediately transferred across
Verizon's network
6. No roaming onto any non-Verizon CDMA network, even at extra cost
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| In article < o9ydnUP3vMPsnTjYnZ2d
nUVZ_vCknZ2d@comcast
.com>,
"Bill Marriott" <wjm@wjm.org> wrote:
>
> Treo 700p
I've got them on my 650. Realtime traffic, too.
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| In article < Xns98B46B96C0FBnoone
homecom@208.49.80.253>,
Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in news:45a43bd3$0$6897
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> $742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
>
>
> Spending $600 on ANYTHING that won't play an MP3 is really stupid.....
Unless you don't care about mp3. I don't.
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| Kurt wrote:
> In article < Xns98B46B96C0FBnoone
homecom@208.49.80.253>,
> Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>
>
> Unless you don't care about mp3. I don't.
And of course it actually will play MP3s anyway.
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| karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net 2007-01-10, 12:33 pm |
| On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 07:17:35 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:
> karlkrandall@sbcglob
al.net wrote:
>\
>
>Hopefully this is the case. I'd advise waiting for the 3G version, even
>if it ends up being more expensive, but the price points of this device
>are not going to hold up at $500 and $600.
>
>ZDNet wrote:
>
>"Although we're pleased Apple made it a quad-band (GSM
>850/900/1800/1900) world phone, we're disappointed the iPhone's data
>support tops out at 2.5G EDGE networks. Considering the
>multimedia-friendly feature set, the omission of any 3G compatibility is
>a bit bizarre, particularly since Cingular now offers UMTS and HSDPA."
>
>If you look at the device as an OSx web pad/iPod/PDA, the price isn't
>excessive, it's when you think of it as a phone on one of the worst
>carriers in the U.S., that it seems expensive.
But thats not true. The data support includes WiFi 802.11g
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| karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net 2007-01-10, 12:33 pm |
| On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:36:21 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:
>Kurt wrote:
>
>And of course it actually will play MP3s anyway.
The prototype doesn't do 3G, lets see what the released version does.
It does do 802.11g WiFi; far faster than 3G
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| dold@83.usenet.us.com 2007-01-10, 12:33 pm |
| In alt.cellular.cingular karlkrandall@sbcglob
al.net wrote:
> Name another phone that dioes Google Maps.
Motorola V551.
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| < karlkrandall@sbcglob
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> On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:05:17 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Its not just a phone, its all of a Blackberry, an iPod, a PDA, a
> phone, and a true html browser that fits in your pocket at 5 ounces..
> Name another phone that dioes Google Maps.
>
> They are hints and rumors that 3G and GPS are
> on the way, whether that can be done by firmware upgrade or next years
> model isn't clear yet.
To me a phone like this with all it's functionality should allow you to
install programs for it to be a pocket pc. According to several sources, it
is a closed system (like the iPod) and the only functionality you'll get is
whatever Apple gives to you. Definitely not for power users, but probably
perfect for all the people who prefer Apple to run their iLives.
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| < karlkrandall@sbcglob
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> On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 07:17:35 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> But thats not true. The data support includes WiFi 802.11g
Which has nothing to do with cellular broadband, and is worthless to anyone
not near a hotspot.
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| "SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
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> P.Schuman wrote:
>
> I was in BJ's, next to Apple's campus in Cupertino, about six months ago
> and I overheard some Apple people talking about the iPhone, and Verizon.
> They had pitched it to Verizon, but Verizon made some unacceptable
> demands:
>
> 1. Bluetooth needed to be disabled, except for the headset.
> 2. Music could only be downloaded from Verizon's music service
> 3. WiFi would be disabled anytime the device detected Verizon's network
> 4. The OS would have to be Windows Embedded
> 5. Every photo taken would have to be immediately transferred across
> Verizon's network
> 6. No roaming onto any non-Verizon CDMA network, even at extra cost
Sounds like they basically didn't want a phone controlled by Apple, which
Cingular is basically allowing Apple to do with this phone.
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| Todd Allcock 2007-01-10, 3:33 pm |
| At 10 Jan 2007 00:37:54 -0500 Larry wrote:
> I see it says it also does wifi. It will be interesting to see how
> Cingular is going to hobble that up to force you to use their $network$.
>
They won't. Despite your constant cell-phone provider bad-mouthing,
Cingular (unlike Verizon) doesn't generally cripple phones in any
significant way- their wi-fi equipped Windows Mobile smartphones aren't
crippled at all, and I've found even their low-end phones I've used to
have most configuration options in them.
Now, like virtually every carrier, they do tend to ADD a bit of fluff and
name-branding (i.e. the web-browser menu function might be renamed
"MEDia" to match the Cingular marketing term for the function) and a low-
end Nokia I bought from them and unlocked had a ringtone/wallpaper-buying
option on the main top-level menu while more useful features were several
levels deeper.
But no, the iPhone will not be crippled in any way, and I predict it will
do good things for my (very small amount of) AT&T stock... ;-)
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| Ness net 2007-01-10, 3:33 pm |
| Non- removable battery - strike 1
No 3G - strike 2
Cingular - strike 3....
I'll pass...
"P.Schuman" < pschuman_nospam_me@i
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>
> It's listed as a GSM device,
> so probably only for Cingular for widest customer base.
>
>
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| In article < 45a53276$0$4876$8826
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"Edgar" < ecamacho4_nospam@nos
pam_hotmail.com> wrote:
> < karlkrandall@sbcglob
al.net> wrote in message
> news:9lq9q2h7grk73gm
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>
> To me a phone like this with all it's functionality should allow you to
> install programs for it to be a pocket pc. According to several sources, it
> is a closed system (like the iPod) and the only functionality you'll get is
> whatever Apple gives to you. Definitely not for power users, but probably
> perfect for all the people who prefer Apple to run their iLives.
>
Unless you buy a PDA, all the phones are "closed."
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| John Richards 2007-01-10, 10:33 pm |
| <dold@83.usenet.us.com> wrote in message news:eo36he$k80$4@bl
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> In alt.cellular.cingular karlkrandall@sbcglob
al.net wrote:
>
> Motorola V551.
And a plethora of other phones:
http://www.google.com/support/mobil...9891&topic=9120
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| Edgar 2007-01-10, 10:33 pm |
| "Todd Allcock" < elecconnec@AmericaOn
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> At 10 Jan 2007 00:37:54 -0500 Larry wrote:
>
>
> They won't. Despite your constant cell-phone provider bad-mouthing,
> Cingular (unlike Verizon) doesn't generally cripple phones in any
> significant way- their wi-fi equipped Windows Mobile smartphones aren't
> crippled at all, and I've found even their low-end phones I've used to
> have most configuration options in them.
>
> Now, like virtually every carrier, they do tend to ADD a bit of fluff and
> name-branding (i.e. the web-browser menu function might be renamed
> "MEDia" to match the Cingular marketing term for the function) and a low-
> end Nokia I bought from them and unlocked had a ringtone/wallpaper-buying
> option on the main top-level menu while more useful features were several
> levels deeper.
>
> But no, the iPhone will not be crippled in any way, and I predict it will
> do good things for my (very small amount of) AT&T stock... ;-)
>
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>
I tend to think, IMO of course, that the thing is crippled by iTunes, the
Cingular network, non-replaceable batteries, most likely a closed system
where only widgets are allowed (no real programs), but that's just me.
Seems like Apple is doing a good enough job crippling it on their own
without Cingulars help.
--
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| |
| Edgar 2007-01-10, 10:33 pm |
| "Kurt" <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in message
news:labolide-0B2379.12231810012007@news.giganews.com...
> In article < 45a53276$0$4876$8826
0bb3@free.teranews.com>,
> "Edgar" < ecamacho4_nospam@nos
pam_hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Unless you buy a PDA, all the phones are "closed."
Which is exactly what I was referring to, there is no comparing the iPhone
to a standard cell phone, even something like the Choclate or the enV. The
iPhone is competing with Blackberry's (closed systems) and PPCs (open
system). I do own a PDA, and I enjoy putting whatever I want on there
(limited to the amount of memory I have of course). There is easily a
market for this nice looking phone, but it's not revolutionary.
--
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| |
| Larry 2007-01-10, 10:33 pm |
| "Bill Marriott" <wjm@wjm.org> wrote in news:R9WdnVBLG6aknTj
YnZ2dnUVZ_o-
knZ2d@comcast.com:
> You can definitely play native MP3s on all current iPods.
>
>
>
Thanks! My buddy's little girl got a Nano for Christmas. I'll see if I
can get her downloaded MP3s working on it this weekend.
Larry
--
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| |
| ru2b12 2007-01-10, 10:33 pm |
| In article < 45a50394$0$69030$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> karlkrandall@sbcglob
al.net wrote:
> \
>
> Hopefully this is the case. I'd advise waiting for the 3G version, even
> if it ends up being more expensive, but the price points of this device
> are not going to hold up at $500 and $600.
Given apples good, better, best model for other product lines, i suspect
we'll see another high end iPhone around the release date which will
probably sell for $600. Apples in turn will reduce the 4gb & 8gb models
by $100 or so. Guess we'll just have to wait and see?
>
> ZDNet wrote:
>
> "Although we're pleased Apple made it a quad-band (GSM
> 850/900/1800/1900) world phone, we're disappointed the iPhone's data
> support tops out at 2.5G EDGE networks. Considering the
> multimedia-friendly feature set, the omission of any 3G compatibility is
> a bit bizarre, particularly since Cingular now offers UMTS and HSDPA."
>
> If you look at the device as an OSx web pad/iPod/PDA, the price isn't
> excessive, it's when you think of it as a phone on one of the worst
> carriers in the U.S., that it seems expensive.
| |
| BruceR 2007-01-10, 10:33 pm |
|
Edgar wrote:
> "Kurt" <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in message
> news:labolide-0B2379.12231810012007@news.giganews.com...
>
> Which is exactly what I was referring to, there is no comparing the
> iPhone to a standard cell phone, even something like the Choclate or
> the enV. The iPhone is competing with Blackberry's (closed systems)
> and PPCs (open system). I do own a PDA, and I enjoy putting whatever
> I want on there (limited to the amount of memory I have of course).
> There is easily a market for this nice looking phone, but it's not
> revolutionary.
> --
> Edgar
Good or bad, mobile devices have become little more than pocket vending
machines selling impulse products. As such, a mobile iPod is simply an
extension of the tethered iPod with even more product selection and is
sure to be a hit with the 14-29 demographic. In this whole thread,
nobody has even mentioned a concern for call quality and fidelity or
reception capabilities - things that old farts like me put first.
| |
| ru2b12 2007-01-10, 10:33 pm |
| In article < 45a56a0c$0$7663$4c36
8faf@roadrunner.com>,
"BruceR" < razrbruce@NOgmailSPA
M.com> wrote:
> Edgar wrote:
>
> Good or bad, mobile devices have become little more than pocket vending
> machines selling impulse products. As such, a mobile iPod is simply an
> extension of the tethered iPod with even more product selection and is
> sure to be a hit with the 14-29 demographic. In this whole thread,
> nobody has even mentioned a concern for call quality and fidelity or
> reception capabilities - things that old farts like me put first.
We all want quality and when we can get our hands on the iPhone,
each will determine for themselves if it falls into that category.
I tell ya, apple must be on the right track if they can get an old fart
like you fired up! Relax old man, step away from the rotary dial. ;-)
| |
| Todd Allcock 2007-01-10, 10:33 pm |
| At 10 Jan 2007 13:58:29 -0800 Edgar wrote:
> I tend to think, IMO of course, that the thing is crippled by iTunes,
How is that crippling anymore than, say, a WinMo device is crippled by
requiring Acticvesync? You need some computer interface to get stuff
on/off the phone.
> the Cingular network,
It has to run on some network...
> non-replaceable batteries,
A poor choice, IMO as well, but frankly it's sometimes necessary on small
devices, where the battery compartment and spring loaded connectors can
waste precious space. It's an owner convenience vs. a little more
battery life issue. (Well, in this case it was probably a "doesn't it
look even sleeker without a removeable battery door" issue!)
> most likely a closed system
> where only widgets are allowed (no real programs), but that's just me.
That's also just speculation. 3rd party developers have managed to
create a thriving software community for iPod add-ons- they must be
chafing at the bit to develop for this thing!
> Seems like Apple is doing a good enough job crippling it on their own
> without Cingulars help.
That remains to be seen. I suspect the hackers will have this thing
unlocked within weeks of it's release, and/or offshore grey-market
unlocked versions offered by foreign carriers will be sold here at a
premium virtually instantaneously.
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| |
|
| ru2b12 wrote:
> In article < 45a56a0c$0$7663$4c36
8faf@roadrunner.com>,
> "BruceR" < razrbruce@NOgmailSPA
M.com> wrote:
>
>
> We all want quality and when we can get our hands on the iPhone,
> each will determine for themselves if it falls into that category.
> I tell ya, apple must be on the right track if they can get an old fart
> like you fired up! Relax old man, step away from the rotary dial. ;-)
Rotary dial? I seen one in the city last week. Mabel down at Phone
Central is still connecting calls to the feed store. Two shorts and a
long. Yeeeee Hawww!
--
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| |
|
| In article < 45a555e6$0$4850$8826
0bb3@free.teranews.com>,
"Edgar" < ecamacho4_nospam@nos
pam_hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Kurt" <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in message
> news:labolide-0B2379.12231810012007@news.giganews.com...
>
> Which is exactly what I was referring to, there is no comparing the iPhone
> to a standard cell phone, even something like the Choclate or the enV. The
> iPhone is competing with Blackberry's (closed systems) and PPCs (open
> system). I do own a PDA, and I enjoy putting whatever I want on there
> (limited to the amount of memory I have of course). There is easily a
> market for this nice looking phone, but it's not revolutionary.
>
I have a Treo 650 and I'd switch to get what the Apple unit offers. No
love lost. If the reality is close to the hype, I'm there.
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| |
|
| In article <ru2b12-7822E4. 19403210012007@comca
st.dca.giganews.com>,
ru2b12 <ru2b12@nomayo.com> wrote:
> In article < 45a56a0c$0$7663$4c36
8faf@roadrunner.com>,
> "BruceR" < razrbruce@NOgmailSPA
M.com> wrote:
>
>
> We all want quality and when we can get our hands on the iPhone,
> each will determine for themselves if it falls into that category.
> I tell ya, apple must be on the right track if they can get an old fart
> like you fired up! Relax old man, step away from the rotary dial. ;-)
The quality issue is paramount with me. Plus, the regualar Cingular
phones generally have the most god-awful, unintuitive interface designs.
Apple trumps everyone in this department.
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| |
| Tim Smith 2007-01-11, 4:33 am |
| In article <labolide-0B2379.12231810012007@news.giganews.com>,
Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:
> Unless you buy a PDA, all the phones are "closed."
It depends on what you mean by "closed". With Sprint, for example, you
can get developer documentation and tools for free, by joining their
free developer program. You can then write Java programs, and download
them to many (most?) of their non-PDA phones. The programs do not have
to be downloaded through Sprint or signed by them.
However, the programs do not have full access to the phone. If you
wanted to do something like, say, a replacement for the phone's address
book, or a replacement for its ring system, or something like that, I
don't think you could.
--
--Tim Smith
| |
| BruceR 2007-01-11, 4:33 am |
|
ru2b12 wrote:
> In article < 45a56a0c$0$7663$4c36
8faf@roadrunner.com>,
> "BruceR" < razrbruce@NOgmailSPA
M.com> wrote:
>
<snip>>
>
> We all want quality and when we can get our hands on the iPhone,
> each will determine for themselves if it falls into that category.
> I tell ya, apple must be on the right track if they can get an old
> fart like you fired up!
>
>Relax old man, step away from the rotary
> dial. ;-)
But the iPod already has a rotary dial - the "click wheel!"
I'm not all that fired up but only because it's an Apple product. The
one experience I had with an iPod Mini convinced me that they consider
customers to merely be an annoyance when it comes to honoring
warranties. I won't go into detail here but 4 returns for the same
repeatedly unfixed problem is just too much to take. The biggest
benefit to their announcement is that the slick interface and features -
which indeed look very nice - will soon be copied by other manufacturers
who respect their customers with products that will actually work the
way WE want them to.
| |
|
| Larry wrote:
> Thanks! My buddy's little girl got a Nano for Christmas. I'll see if I
> can get her downloaded MP3s working on it this weekend.
Although I personally don't own an iPod, I'm pretty sure they play mp3s
natively. You're not the only person to think that iPod's don't play
mp3s, I've had other friends with that misconception too. Although part
of the blame can be placed on apple, the first generation could not,
and that stigma stuck with them. Also due to the fact that apple
probably downplays the fact that they play mp3s, so that people will
buy songs from iTunes.
| |
| karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net 2007-01-11, 10:33 am |
| On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 07:23:17 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
imagined:
>P.Schuman wrote:
>
>I was in BJ's, next to Apple's campus in Cupertino, about six months ago
>and I overheard some Apple people talking about the iPhone, and Verizon.
>They had pitched it to Verizon, but Verizon made some unacceptable demands:
>
>1. Bluetooth needed to be disabled, except for the headset.
>2. Music could only be downloaded from Verizon's music service
>3. WiFi would be disabled anytime the device detected Verizon's network
>4. The OS would have to be Windows Embedded
>5. Every photo taken would have to be immediately transferred across
>Verizon's network
>6. No roaming onto any non-Verizon CDMA network, even at extra cost
You sure took good notes about what you "overheard". If it was true,
any of them could have been fired for such loose lips. And Apple
will come after you if any of this is true. Likely story.
Take your dream fantasies elsewhere.
The phone was GSM long ago, and so I fail to believe that 6 months ago
it might have switched to CDMA (with extra cost from Qualcom).
Cingular made zero restrictions on Apple other than a USA exclusivity
through 2008.
==============
Also interesting that Apple, first shot out of the box has a better
PDA/Phone etc, than Microsoft has with Windows CE 5.
| |
| Cyrus Afzali 2007-01-11, 10:33 am |
| On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:26:55 -0700, Todd Allcock
< elecconnec@AmericaOn
Line.com> wrote:
>At 10 Jan 2007 13:58:29 -0800 Edgar wrote:
>
>
>A poor choice, IMO as well, but frankly it's sometimes necessary on small
>devices, where the battery compartment and spring loaded connectors can
>waste precious space. It's an owner convenience vs. a little more
>battery life issue. (Well, in this case it was probably a "doesn't it
>look even sleeker without a removeable battery door" issue!)
Obviously I can't speak to the iPhone since it's not out, but it's a
bit of a misnomer that the iPod has irreplaceable batteries. The
better way to say that is batteries that can't easily be replaced by
the end user. FWIW, I've had my second-generation iPod since 2004, use
it a great deal, and the battery's still kicking.
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| Cyrus Afzali 2007-01-11, 10:33 am |
| On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:21:29 GMT, Peter Ross <pross@att.net> wrote:
>Cyrus Afzali wrote:
>
>Jobs said they developed their new phone with, and for, Cingular which,
>he said, is the best carrier with the most subscribers. He said that
>Cingular and Apple will continue to work together to innovate with this
>phone and other ideas.
I'm sure they'll broaden distribution. It's nuts to think they did all
that R&D just for one carrier. Nobody, and I mean nobody, has done
that to date. Even Motorola's Razr, which was very popular, found its
way both to T-Mobile and they even made a GSM version of it.
I'm sure they'll continue to work together and come up with new
versions that Cingular will get for an exclusive period.
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| |
| Todd Allcock 2007-01-11, 10:33 am |
| At 11 Jan 2007 14:50:25 +0000 karlkrandall@sbcglob
al.net wrote:
> Also interesting that Apple, first shot out of the box has a better
> PDA/Phone etc, than Microsoft has with Windows CE 5.
Perhaps true, but I find it inteesting that everyone is in love with a
device that they haven't seen or used in person let. I'll bet the Newton
performed admirably at it's staged introduction too! ;-)
Seriously, I'll bet it's a wonderful product, but let's not go too ga-ga
over a unit that is still six months away.
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| |
|
| In article <reply_in_group-02BF85.21214310012007@news.supernews.com>,
Tim Smith < reply_in_group@mouse
-potato.com> wrote:
> In article <labolide-0B2379.12231810012007@news.giganews.com>,
> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:
>
> It depends on what you mean by "closed". With Sprint, for example, you
> can get developer documentation and tools for free, by joining their
> free developer program. You can then write Java programs, and download
> them to many (most?) of their non-PDA phones. The programs do not have
> to be downloaded through Sprint or signed by them.
>
> However, the programs do not have full access to the phone. If you
> wanted to do something like, say, a replacement for the phone's address
> book, or a replacement for its ring system, or something like that, I
> don't think you could.
Yes, since most cell phone users are also developers fluent in writing
code, I see your compelling argument.
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| Tim Smith 2007-01-11, 12:33 pm |
| In article <labolide-00FD31.08344211012007@news.giganews.com>,
Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:
> In article <reply_in_group-02BF85.21214310012007@news.supernews.com>,
> Tim Smith < reply_in_group@mouse
-potato.com> wrote:
>
>
> Yes, since most cell phone users are also developers fluent in writing
> code, I see your compelling argument.
Perhaps you could explain what you mean by "closed", then? The usual
meaning is that developers other than the original company or those
specifically authorized by them can develop applications for a device,
and users can install those applications.
--
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| |
| Mike Schumann 2007-01-11, 12:33 pm |
| How do you know they have the exclusive thru 2008? That sounds like a long
time. If it's true, they must have paid Apple big time for this.
Mike Schumann
< karlkrandall@sbcglob
al.net> wrote in message
news:8cjcq29t4ef55ji
ttvofdvkl2lvulol581@
4ax.com...
> On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 07:23:17 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
> imagined:
>
>
>
> You sure took good notes about what you "overheard". If it was true,
> any of them could have been fired for such loose lips. And Apple
> will come after you if any of this is true. Likely story.
> Take your dream fantasies elsewhere.
>
> The phone was GSM long ago, and so I fail to believe that 6 months ago
> it might have switched to CDMA (with extra cost from Qualcom).
>
> Cingular made zero restrictions on Apple other than a USA exclusivity
> through 2008.
>
> ==============
>
> Also interesting that Apple, first shot out of the box has a better
> PDA/Phone etc, than Microsoft has with Windows CE 5.
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| |
|
| In article <reply_in_group-669DE4.09084811012007@news.supernews.com>,
Tim Smith < reply_in_group@mouse
-potato.com> wrote:
> In article <labolide-00FD31.08344211012007@news.giganews.com>,
> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:
>
> Perhaps you could explain what you mean by "closed", then? The usual
> meaning is that developers other than the original company or those
> specifically authorized by them can develop applications for a device,
> and users can install those applications.
I see your point, though I also see Apple eventually allowing apps to be
written. I don't see them doing anything that would compromise the
integrity of the interface.
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|
| karlkrandall@sbcglob
al.net wrote:
> You sure took good notes about what you "overheard". If it was true,
> any of them could have been fired for such loose lips. And Apple
> will come after you if any of this is true. Likely story.
> Take your dream fantasies elsewhere.
It was intended as humor to illustrate how Verizon forces manufacturers
to de-feature their phones before Verizon will sell them. Do you really
think Verizon wants to market any handset that lets users escape from
their network for any tasks?
| |
| Jeffrey Kaplan 2007-01-11, 12:33 pm |
| It is alleged that Larry claimed:
>
> Thanks! My buddy's little girl got a Nano for Christmas. I'll see if I
> can get her downloaded MP3s working on it this weekend.
Where were they downloaded from? If they are "rights protected" music
(Napster, eMusic, etc) then they will not play on the iPod. At all.
They will play on players from anyone else, though.
There are two mutually incompatible rights management schemes in use,
one from Microsoft and one from Apple, and music locked with one will
not work on the other's players. Guess which one the iPod uses.
Rhapsody is the only online store I know of that offers music in either
format, but you cannot choose on the fly, you need to set it as an
account preference. iTunes is Apple only, Napster, etc, are MS only.
Unprotected mp3s can be used on any player.
wma tracks, protected or not, will only work on players designed to
work with the MS rights scheme.
NOTE: I mention wma mainly because a lot of people don't actually
realize that music purchased from Napster, etc, is wma not mp3, and
music purchased from iTunes is some variant of acc, not mp3. The mp3
format does not actually have provisions for digital rights management.
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|
|
"Cyrus Afzali" <pnsmnyv@lnubb.pbz> wrote in message
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peps0ec694mc68r3mlh@
4ax.com...
> On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:26:55 -0700, Todd Allcock
> < elecconnec@AmericaOn
Line.com> wrote:
>
>
> Obviously I can't speak to the iPhone since it's not out, but it's a
> bit of a misnomer that the iPod has irreplaceable batteries. The
> better way to say that is batteries that can't easily be replaced by
> the end user. FWIW, I've had my second-generation iPod since 2004, use
> it a great deal, and the battery's still kicking.
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>
But isn't there a market right now for people carrying around spare
batteries to be able to continue to use their phone even after the first has
died. All of my creative MP3 players have had replaceable batteries (by the
user) and I have bought extra in order to keep the music going. I'd rather
have the choice personally, but again IMO.
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|
| "Todd Allcock" < elecconnec@AmericaOn
Line.com> wrote in message
news:45a587e3$0$4789
$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
> At 10 Jan 2007 13:58:29 -0800 Edgar wrote:
>
>
> How is that crippling anymore than, say, a WinMo device is crippled by
> requiring Acticvesync? You need some computer interface to get stuff
> on/off the phone.
>
I agree, I would prefer to just have a phone that plugs in and looks like an
external hard drive, which either of these could do. It is possible to do
it with a WM5 phone but only to get to the storage card. Still, once I am
connected through active sync I can do whatever the heck I want with it,
even just drop songs onto the storage card or the device.
>
> It has to run on some network...
>
How bout all of them :)
>
> A poor choice, IMO as well, but frankly it's sometimes necessary on small
> devices, where the battery compartment and spring loaded connectors can
> waste precious space. It's an owner convenience vs. a little more
> battery life issue. (Well, in this case it was probably a "doesn't it
> look even sleeker without a removeable battery door" issue!)
>
>
>
> That's also just speculation. 3rd party developers have managed to
> create a thriving software community for iPod add-ons- they must be
> chafing at the bit to develop for this thing!
>
I am sure it will happen, heck they might even get linux on it. Except I
wouldn't risk doing anything funny on a 600 dollar device. I wonder if it
has everything on ROM so you can restore the thing if you screw it up?
>
> That remains to be seen. I suspect the hackers will have this thing
> unlocked within weeks of it's release, and/or offshore grey-market
> unlocked versions offered by foreign carriers will be sold here at a
> premium virtually instantaneously.
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>
I guess so, I'd rather just have the ability to do what I want right out of
the box, which is pretty much what my PDA does (not everything, but almost
everything).
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| < karlkrandall@sbcglob
al.net> wrote in message
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4ax.com...
> On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 07:23:17 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
> imagined:
> Also interesting that Apple, first shot out of the box has a better
> PDA/Phone etc, than Microsoft has with Windows CE 5.
And you've used it already? Please tell us in which ways it is "already"
better than Windows CE. I am not a Microsoft shill, but I like my little
phone and it has done everything and more I've expected of it, including
putting whatever the hell I want on it.
Let's wait to actually see this thing in action before we can say it's
"better" than anything. My prediction is it will be another great iPod but
lacking as an actual PDA and phone. Still 8GB is not nearly enough space to
watch videos on such a gorgeous screen. Again purely guessing here as I
haven't even seen the thing beyond pictures, and the Apple iPhone website
crashes every browser on my computer thanks to QuickTime (funny that).
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| Isaiah Beard 2007-01-11, 3:33 pm |
| karlkrandall@sbcglob
al.net wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 15:38:34 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Ummm.. It's also WiFi 802.11c and g
That's all fine and good, but the point of a data enabled PHONE is the
ability to use data when you're not within a WiFi hotspot area, as well
as when you're inside of one.
Considering that most WiFi hotspots are for-pay T-Mobile areas, and the
phone is Cingualr, I also doubt web surfing at places like airports, B&N
and Starbucks is free. So let's consider this: Apple wants me to pay
$600 for a phone, plus $40 a month for slow EDGE data, PLUS $9.99 for
every visit I make to a Starbucks to use their WiFi.
Again, no thanks. I'll stick to my Blackberry 8703e.
You know, the cool factor of the iPhone is nice and all, but it amazes
me how many people are blinded by the sleek curves and absolutely refuse
to analyze the realities of what is required to use this device to its
full potential. WiFi spots are only "free" in places where they're not
the most convenient,. and the palces where you DO want to use them often
charge for usage. And EDGE, is EDGE. It's slow, and after having used
3G, it's the equivalent of throwing out my cable modem in favor of
dialup. Why Apple wouldn't at least throw in an HSDPA radio (and thus
justify the price tag) is beyond me.
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| Isaiah Beard 2007-01-11, 3:33 pm |
| ru2b12 wrote:
>
> During the presentation it was mentioned that there will be 3G support
> though no timetable was given.
According to CNN, not till 2009.
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| Isaiah Beard 2007-01-11, 3:33 pm |
| karlkrandall@sbcglob
al.net wrote:
> Name another phone that dioes Google Maps.
All Blackberry 7100 series and 8700 series
Moto RAZR, KRZR, SLVR series
All Samsung EVDO phones
Any Java enabled phone.
There are also lots of other phones that do MP3, Blackberry, video and
PIM functions. They may not do it with an Apple logo etched on the back
casing, but they do them well.
Apple has done well to equate themselves with chic though, and to
distrot reality so much that people will blindly believe that Apple
invented the smartphone before Palm, Blackberry and Windows Mobile. I'm
sure if Steve Jobs wanted to sell wads of used chewing gum on wooden
sticks, all he's have to do is etch the Apple logo on the stick, put the
slogan "Gum, Reinvented" underneath, and he could sell that to the
crazed masses for $600 a pop too.
> They are hints and rumors that 3G and GPS are
> on the way, whether that can be done by firmware upgrade or next years
HSDPA requires a whole new chipset. A firmware upgrade won't cut it.
Remember folks, this is Apple. If you want an "upgrade," you're going
to have to ditch your old model and pay full price for the new one.
Every time.
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| karlkrandall@sbcglob
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> Also interesting that Apple, first shot out of the box has a better
> PDA/Phone etc, than Microsoft has with Windows CE 5.
From the initial specifications, the iPhone is a significantly poorer
PDA than the Palm and PocketPC PDAs Of course the reason for this is
that it isn't a PDA at all, it's a mobile phone, a wide screen iPod, and
an Internet communication device.
On an actual PDA, you can load a gazillion different applications to
suit your needs. I.e. on my PDA, I can plug in a GPS card, and it's a
navigation system. I can plug in a remote control card, and its a
universal remote. It can browse the web over the WiFi connection. It
takes memory cards for expandability. It will play MP3s, but not well,
since the amplifier isn't powerful enough, so you need amplified
headphones to make it usable.
Unfortunately, we're still at the point where you're better off with
separate devices for separate function, if you want no-compromise
performance for each function.
If you want the best wireless coverage in the U.S., you go with a
tri-band phone from Verizon, such as the V325i
If you want the best PDA functionality, get something like an iPAQ.
If you want the best music player, get an iPod or a Sansa.
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| Todd Allcock 2007-01-11, 3:33 pm |
| At 11 Jan 2007 11:35:53 -0800 Edgar wrote:
>
> How bout all of them :)
It will, provided Cingular has a roaming agreement with them! ;-)
> I guess so, I'd rather just have the ability to do what I want right
out of
> the box, which is pretty much what my PDA does (not everything, but
almost
> everything).
Hey, you're preaching to the choir, my friend... I'm posting this from my
HTC Wizard right now! This morning before getting out of bed, I watched
my favorite episode of "Coupling" on it ("Inferno," for those curious;
"and if you don't like it, darling, go join a film collective!"), and
earlier, while browsing the usenet groups, a work call came in, which I
took, found the needed info in an Excel file on the Wizard, solved the
minor work crisis, hung up and started reading usenet again, all without
getting off the couch.
iPhone? We don't need no steenking iPhone! ;-)
Seriously, though, any development in improving portable devices improves
all of them eventually. Many things will be right about iPhone, and some
will be wrong, and manufacturers will integrate the right ones into
future designs. Hopefully the seemingly excellent browser and e-mail
clients in the iPhone will slap developers at MS upside the head and
convince them that today's devices with 400MHz+ processors, 128MB of RAM,
and a VGA screen should include apps at least as robust as Win95 machines
were able to handle! These things are small powerful multitasking
computers- not glorified PC file viewers for pete's sake! Let's stop
treating them like v.1 Palm Pilots with a media player built-in! (Ok,
rant over!)
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| Todd Allcock 2007-01-11, 3:33 pm |
| At 11 Jan 2007 11:29:57 -0800 Edgar wrote:
> But isn't there a market right now for people carrying around spare
> batteries to be able to continue to use their phone even after the
first has
> died. All of my creative MP3 players have had replaceable batteries
(by the
> user) and I have bought extra in order to keep the music going. I'd
rather
> have the choice personally, but again IMO.
Sure, but the problem is easily remedied by a portable auxiliary charger,
like the Energizer battery people sell. I used to have an iPaq/Axim
compatible auxiliary charger that used 4 AA rechargable batteries. I
rarely used it, so I haven't bothered finding a compatible replacement
for my Wizard- but I do tend to charge the Wiz with the lighter plug
whenever I'm in the car. The always-on push e-mail has really reduced
battery life. I turned all automatic GPRS data off (push e-mail, and
IMAP e-mail auto retrieval) on a trip to Cancun last week (to avoid
$15/mb roaming charges) and found my battery was still at 75-80% at days'
end instead of the 40-50% I usually have! I think I'll change the push e-
mail settings to "check every 15 min." instead of "as items arrive" and
see how that does.
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"Edgar" < ecamacho4_nospam@nos
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> "Todd Allcock" < elecconnec@AmericaOn
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> news:45a587e3$0$4789
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>
> I agree, I would prefer to just have a phone that plugs in and looks like
> an external hard drive, which either of these could do. It is possible to
> do it with a WM5 phone but only to get to the storage card. Still, once I
> am connected through active sync I can do whatever the heck I want with
> it, even just drop songs onto the storage card or the device.
>
>
> How bout all of them :)
>
http://www.tuaw.com/2007/01/10/appl...ty-iphone-apps/
It's no longer speculation.
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| Edgar 2007-01-11, 10:33 pm |
|
"Todd Allcock" < elecconnec@AmericaOn
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> At 11 Jan 2007 11:29:57 -0800 Edgar wrote:
>
> first has
> (by the
> rather
>
> Sure, but the problem is easily remedied by a portable auxiliary charger,
> like the Energizer battery people sell. I used to have an iPaq/Axim
> compatible auxiliary charger that used 4 AA rechargable batteries. I
> rarely used it, so I haven't bothered finding a compatible replacement
> for my Wizard- but I do tend to charge the Wiz with the lighter plug
> whenever I'm in the car. The always-on push e-mail has really reduced
> battery life. I turned all automatic GPRS data off (push e-mail, and
> IMAP e-mail auto retrieval) on a trip to Cancun last week (to avoid
> $15/mb roaming charges) and found my battery was still at 75-80% at days'
> end instead of the 40-50% I usually have! I think I'll change the push e-
> mail settings to "check every 15 min." instead of "as items arrive" and
> see how that does.
>
>
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>
Don't know if your phone has the latest version of WM5, but it does not
automatically turn off the gprs when it's done so doing the 15 minute thing
will still leave it on on most newer phones. Keep that in mind.
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| Edgar 2007-01-11, 10:33 pm |
| "Todd Allcock" < elecconnec@AmericaOn
Line.com> wrote in message
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> At 11 Jan 2007 11:35:53 -0800 Edgar wrote:
>
>
> It will, provided Cingular has a roaming agreement with them! ;-)
>
> out of
> almost
>
> Hey, you're preaching to the choir, my friend... I'm posting this from my
> HTC Wizard right now! This morning before getting out of bed, I watched
> my favorite episode of "Coupling" on it ("Inferno," for those curious;
> "and if you don't like it, darling, go join a film collective!"), and
> earlier, while browsing the usenet groups, a work call came in, which I
> took, found the needed info in an Excel file on the Wizard, solved the
> minor work crisis, hung up and started reading usenet again, all without
> getting off the couch.
>
> iPhone? We don't need no steenking iPhone! ;-)
>
> Seriously, though, any development in improving portable devices improves
> all of them eventually. Many things will be right about iPhone, and some
> will be wrong, and manufacturers will integrate the right ones into
> future designs. Hopefully the seemingly excellent browser and e-mail
> clients in the iPhone will slap developers at MS upside the head and
> convince them that today's devices with 400MHz+ processors, 128MB of RAM,
> and a VGA screen should include apps at least as robust as Win95 machines
> were able to handle! These things are small powerful multitasking
> computers- not glorified PC file viewers for pete's sake! Let's stop
> treating them like v.1 Palm Pilots with a media player built-in! (Ok,
> rant over!)
Well you are definitely right about that. I hope to see some of the
features of the iPhone in future HTC products. There's no doubt HTC and
others are watching closely.
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| (PeteCresswell) 2007-01-11, 10:33 pm |
| Per P. Schuman:[color=darkr
ed]
Double the screen size - doesn't *everybody* wear cargo pants? -)
Add a 50-100 gig hard drive.
Put in an FM tuner.
Give it recording capability.
I'll buy one in a heartbeat.
--
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| |
|
| P.Schuman wrote:
> It's listed as a GSM device,
> so probably only for Cingular for widest customer base.
Reminds me when Steve Wozniak moved out of his house in Los Gatos due to
a lack of GSM, ""There's no GSM coverage. I need it, so I'm moving."
| |
|
| (PeteCresswell) wrote:
> Per P.Schuman:
>
> Did I overlook something or is the PDA function missing?
It's not a PDA. You cannot add applications. There is no syncing over
wireless. There are some built-in PDA-like applications, but technically
the device is a phone, iPod, and web browser.
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|
|
| Larry 2007-01-11, 10:33 pm |
| Jeffrey Kaplan <nomail@gordol.org> wrote in
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ktatqo4d72151ds2n4m@
gordol.org:
> NOTE: I mention wma mainly because a lot of people don't actually
> realize that music purchased from Napster, etc, is wma not mp3, and
> music purchased from iTunes is some variant of acc, not mp3. The mp3
> format does not actually have provisions for digital rights management.
>
>
http://reviews.cnet.com/ DMC_Xclef_...7-31212346.html
Precisely why I'd never buy one. My favorite player is still the Xclef
500 that used to be sold by Digital Mind in CA. There must be thousands
of hours of runtime on mine, all with no problems whatsoever. I bought
it as the 100GB unit, but got a steal on a 120GB 2.5" laptop drive (the
Xclef uses STANDARD parts like STANDARD laptop drives) so I swapped it
out and put the 100GB drive in my 60GB laptop for more space (at lower
power). Xclef supports up to 137GB on its disk-based operating system
I've been told is a subset of Linux. It does take up to 2 minutes to
"boot up" on initial powerup, especially on such large drives because the
OS and software catalogs all the IDE tags on all the tens of thousands of
songs on bootup. Shuffle doesn't mean just 50 songs. One of the
settings is to "shuffle" the entire drive!
This player is also REALLY LOUD! It even drives my Sennheiser pro
headsets TOO LOUD to listen to. It makes cheap headsets rattle..(c;..and
there is absolutely NO noise on the signal, even amplified to 1400 watts
on my DJ rig, right out of the headphone jack of it.
It plays any MP3, OGG, WMA, WAV or ASF file. I begged, with this big
drive, for them to incorporate FLAC playback with a FLAC codec, but it
fell on deaf ears....so far. FLAC uncompresses to the exact file it
compressed with no loss at all, but needs these big drives to store FLAC
files, which are bigger.
The Xclef is an external hard drive, as far as any OS with a USB port is
concerned. It's a FAT32 standard drive you can onload/offload anything
you like music, video, programs, backup your laptop, whatever. The MP3
player is separate from this function so there's no RIAA/MPAA stumbleware
to screw up loading. Use your fav file handler....or faster, use DOS or
Linux direct! It loads and copys as fast as my 500GB Seagate USB
externals, not plods along like a crippled EPROM burner. I copy DIVX
movies to it and play them, directly, on my laptop. It runs over 20
hours on a charge and, as it has its own power supply, a STANDARD Li-Ion
any camera shop has in stock, it doesn't burn up the laptop's pitiful
runtime running the external drive. It also records from Line IN stereo
up to 320Kbps or its little internal mic at slow speed, all direct to MP3
format. You can even record, directly to MP3 format, from its own
internal FM digital tuner, which is great for FM radio remote mics....for
hours and hours and hours on a charge.
I don't jog, so its larger size than the girly Ipod isn't an issue. It
comes with a really nice leather case with belt clip but you wouldn't run
with it. The battery recharges after 20 hours use in about 90 minutes
flat.
Too bad Digital Mind quit and moved on from them. They were always SOLD
OUT and had a long waiting list for Xclef 500s on their web sales pages.
How stupid to screw with a hot seller just to go with the crappy video
player they sell now. Xclef is still available from Korea:
http://www.xclef.com/pro03_e.htm
where it's called the HD-500. You can buy it with 20,40,60,80,100G
drives or NO DRIVE at all and put in your own 2.5" drive up to 137GB.
The player has a STANDARD drive plug for the 2.5" drives...(c;
God I hate hobbled up electronic shit that makes people slaves to Itunes
or any money pit like that. What a crock, 99c/song! Sansdisc makes a
nice, non-hobbled tiny player I recommend. Buy the biggest drive you can
afford. Take all the songs in your pocket...(c;)
Sorry....no built in cellphone to hobble up the features....(c;
Larry
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| Larry 2007-01-11, 10:33 pm |
| Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote in news:12qb5bh6il8910c
@corp.supernews.com:
> Rotary dial? I seen one in the city last week. Mabel down at Phone
> Central is still connecting calls to the feed store. Two shorts and a
> long. Yeeeee Hawww!
>
> --
> jer
> email reply - I am not a 'ten'
>
It's hard to pry the handset of his "Carphone" out of his cold, dead
hands....(c;
MTS forever!
REAL carphones kill a car battery in 30 minutes!
Larry
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| Larry 2007-01-11, 10:33 pm |
| Todd Allcock < elecconnec@AmericaOn
Line.com> wrote in news:45a587e3$0$4789
$88260bb3@free.teranews.com:
>
> How is that crippling anymore than, say, a WinMo device is crippled by
> requiring Acticvesync? You need some computer interface to get stuff
> on/off the phone.
>
>
A good test of any music or video player is to use the copy function of
Windows Explorer to copy music from the computer to the device. Then, copy
the music or video from the device to another computer. If the device
won't play the file moved to it in this manner, or allow the file to be
copied to another computer, it is automatically disqualified from being
purchased, IMHO.
I don't buy Hobbleware.....
Larry
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| Larry 2007-01-11, 10:33 pm |
| "Edgar" < ecamacho4_nospam@nos
pam_hotmail.com> wrote in
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> I guess so, I'd rather just have the ability to do what I want right
> out of the box, which is pretty much what my PDA does (not everything,
> but almost everything).
>
> --
> Edgar
>
>
Edgar, is your PDA an Axim or Ipaq under WM5? If so, does it crash a lot?
I asked because I returned Dell's Axim X51v in 10 days because WM5 crashed
so many times a day it was unnerving, plus the stupid thing wouldn't talk
to anything Bluetooth mobile like HEADSETS or LAPTOPS, which is stupid.
You could pair with the headset, but the audio codec selector was greyed
out and no audio was forthcoming. Even Dell's own "Switcher" would
completely lose touch with WM5 just sitting there, doing nothing...reset,
reset, reset....RETURN for CREDIT. I hated its short battery life.
I'm carrying my old Razor Edge Hotsync'd to the laptop, again. I have to
charge it once a week because of all the clock toys and gadgets running all
the time....(c;
Larry
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| Todd Allcock 2007-01-11, 10:33 pm |
| At 11 Jan 2007 13:42:59 -0800 Edgar wrote:
> Don't know if your phone has the latest version of WM5, but it does not
> automatically turn off the gprs when it's done so doing the 15 minute
thing
> will still leave it on on most newer phones. Keep that in mind.
Thanks. I'll keep that in mind- I'm running AKU2.
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| Jeffrey Kaplan 2007-01-12, 4:33 am |
| It is alleged that Larry claimed:
> http://reviews.cnet.com/ DMC_Xclef_...7-31212346.html
> Precisely why I'd never buy one. My favorite player is still the Xclef
> 500 that used to be sold by Digital Mind in CA. There must be thousands
That thing's a monster!
> of hours of runtime on mine, all with no problems whatsoever. I bought
> it as the 100GB unit, but got a steal on a 120GB 2.5" laptop drive (the
> Xclef uses STANDARD parts like STANDARD laptop drives) so I swapped it
> out and put the 100GB drive in my 60GB laptop for more space (at lower
> power). Xclef supports up to 137GB on its disk-based operating system
> I've been told is a subset of Linux. It does take up to 2 minutes to
> "boot up" on initial powerup, especially on such large drives because the
> OS and software catalogs all the IDE tags on all the tens of thousands of
> songs on bootup. Shuffle doesn't mean just 50 songs. One of the
> settings is to "shuffle" the entire drive!
Shuffle on my Zen shuffle--plays everything. And it can play the music
I've purchased from Napster, etc. Where's the problem? Only problem I
foresee is if/when I eventually bump into its 30GB storage capacity.
But by then, something with more capacity will be available. Hell,
there's one with double the capacity available now.
> It plays any MP3, OGG, WMA, WAV or ASF file. I begged, with this big
According to that review, it does not play protected wma. That means I
won't be getting one.
> The Xclef is an external hard drive, as far as any OS with a USB port is
> concerned. It's a FAT32 standard drive you can onload/offload anything
> you like music, video, programs, backup your laptop, whatever. The MP3
So's my Zen. It's visible as a drive in Windows Explorer, and it also
has a "drive mode" config where you can tell it to allocate a user-set
amount of space specifically to be a portable drive for other data.
> player is separate from this function so there's no RIAA/MPAA stumbleware
> to screw up loading. Use your fav file handler....or faster, use DOS or
> Linux direct! It loads and copys as fast as my 500GB Seagate USB
> externals, not plods along like a crippled EPROM burner. I copy DIVX
My Zen is zippy on transfers, as long as I don't use the
Creative-supplied software, that is. Using Winamp, it's speedy.
> movies to it and play them, directly, on my laptop. It runs over 20
My Zen can play movies without needing to hook it up to anything but a
pair of headphones. With the dock adapter, I can line-out both video
and audio to anything with a/v inputs. I can probably plug it into a
computer via USB and stream a movie file directly, but I haven't tried.
Movies aren't why I got it.
> hours on a charge and, as it has its own power supply, a STANDARD Li-Ion
> any camera shop has in stock, it doesn't burn up the laptop's pitiful
> runtime running the external drive. It also records from Line IN stereo
> up to 320Kbps or its little internal mic at slow speed, all direct to MP3
> format. You can even record, directly to MP3 format, from its own
> internal FM digital tuner, which is great for FM radio remote mics....for
> hours and hours and hours on a charge.
Ah, so that's a use for having an FM receiver in my Zen. I never
thought of that.
> I don't jog, so its larger size than the girly Ipod isn't an issue. It
> comes with a really nice leather case with belt clip but you wouldn't run
> with it. The battery recharges after 20 hours use in about 90 minutes
> flat.
I don't know how long it takes to recharge the Zen from flat. The only
time it got that low, I just dropped it in the cradle overnight. Plus,
it's small enough to fit in my pocket, or I can place it in my
dash-mounted phone holder instead of my Treo, if I want to see the
display while driving.
> drives or NO DRIVE at all and put in your own 2.5" drive up to 137GB.
FAT32, then.
> God I hate hobbled up electronic shit that makes people slaves to Itunes
> or any money pit like that. What a crock, 99c/song! Sansdisc makes a
> nice, non-hobbled tiny player I recommend. Buy the biggest drive you can
> afford. Take all the songs in your pocket...(c;)
Just because I CAN buy music from Napster doesn't mean that I have to.
I only buy online like that if I either cannot find a CD with what I
want or if what I want is the only track on the CD I want. I prefer to
own the hard media, but when faced with the choice of $15~$20 for a CD
with one track I want out of a dozen vs $0.99 to download just that one
track, I'll buy the download, thankyouverymuch.
When I was using an iPod, I never connected it to iTunes at all, after
the initial setup. I think I purchased one track off of the iTunes
store, before I realized that it wouldn't play in my preferred desktop
player (Winamp).
--
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upon such wonderful values." - George W. Bush, at the Jefferson
Memorial, Jul 2, 2001
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| Michael D. Sullivan 2007-01-12, 4:33 am |
| On 1/11/2007 12:47 PM, Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
> It is alleged that Larry claimed:
>
>
> Where were they downloaded from? If they are "rights protected" music
> (Napster, eMusic, etc) then they will not play on the iPod. At all.
> They will play on players from anyone else, though.
>
> There are two mutually incompatible rights management schemes in use,
> one from Microsoft and one from Apple, and music locked with one will
> not work on the other's players. Guess which one the iPod uses.
>
> Rhapsody is the only online store I know of that offers music in either
> format, but you cannot choose on the fly, you need to set it as an
> account preference. iTunes is Apple only, Napster, etc, are MS only.
>
> Unprotected mp3s can be used on any player.
>
> wma tracks, protected or not, will only work on players designed to
> work with the MS rights scheme.
>
> NOTE: I mention wma mainly because a lot of people don't actually
> realize that music purchased from Napster, etc, is wma not mp3, and
> music purchased from iTunes is some variant of acc, not mp3. The mp3
> format does not actually have provisions for digital rights management.
>
Unprotected WMAs can be converted to MP3s from within WMP and then
imported to iTunes. I've done it with WMAs downloaded from
acidplanet.com. Also, I believe even protected WMAs can be burned to an
unprotected audio CDR, just as one can do with protected tracks in iTunes.
--
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| |
|
| Larry wrote:
> Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote in news:12qb5bh6il8910c
@corp.supernews.com:
>
>
> It's hard to pry the handset of his "Carphone" out of his cold, dead
> hands....(c;
>
> MTS forever!
>
> REAL carphones kill a car battery in 30 minutes!
>
>
>
> Larry
Moto TLD-1100 roolz!!
--
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email reply - I am not a 'ten'
| |
| Randall Ainsworth 2007-01-12, 10:33 am |
| In article < Xns98B5EC2AA4C52noon
ehomecom@208.49.80.253>, Larry
<noone@home.com> wrote:
> A good test of any music or video player is to use the copy function of
> Windows Explorer to copy music from the computer to the device. Then, copy
> the music or video from the device to another computer. If the device
> won't play the file moved to it in this manner, or allow the file to be
> copied to another computer, it is automatically disqualified from being
> purchased, IMHO.
>
> I don't buy Hobbleware.....
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