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Re: Sprint Leads in data ARPU, Verizon passes Cingular in Subscribers, according to IDC Report
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| John Navas 2007-04-05, 3:33 pm |
| On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 11:20:48 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in < 46153e02$0$27174$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:
>See "http://www.itnews.com.au/newsstory.aspx?CIaNID=49296&src=site-marq"
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>Sprint leads Verizon by 41¢ in data ARPU.
Thanks to Nextel.
>Verizon passed Cingular in retail subscribers by half a million.
That's just a guess. Only time will tell whether it's true or not.
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| Scott 2007-04-05, 10:33 pm |
| John Navas < spamfilter0@navasgro
up.com> wrote in
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28099bummeabtiacoec@
4ax.com:
> On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 11:20:48 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
> wrote in < 46153e02$0$27174$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:
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> Thanks to Nextel.
Hardly- the GREAT majority of that ARPU is derived from the CDMA network.
There is no high speed data packet on the iDen network.
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> That's just a guess. Only time will tell whether it's true or not.
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We can wait a few weeks to hear the official word. You might as well
practice your slanted spin on it now- these facts are going to be hard to
ignore.
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| Scott 2007-04-05, 10:33 pm |
| SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in
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4$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
> Scott wrote:
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> The key point was that Sprint had slipped behind Verizon in data ARPU,
> but regained the lead. Obviously Nextel had nothing to do with Sprint
> regaining the lead, the increase came from the 1xEVDO network. It's
> pretty ironic that Sprint leads all the other carriers in data ARPU,
> considering their difficulties in new additions.
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I think you'll see that ship right itself with 1Q numbers- not gangbusters,
but the serious bleeding appears to be over. Their iDen /CDMA phones
appears to selling quite well and they completed cutting 5,000 jobs from
the payroll (merger redundancy). Billing integrations is said to be
running on schedule. From a merger perspective, many of the synergy
savings are starting to materialize which will make Wall Street very happy.
With a couple of the product announcements made for early 2Q release and
finally some movement on their joint venture cable stuff,they are
postioning themselves well for a very interesting second half of the year.
Add in that they are experimenting with flat rate plans and talking about
Wimax in "subscription" terms and they have suddenly become the most
cutting-edge carrier in the market. If any one of these catches on, they
are well positioned to make a big move in market-share over the next two
years. All of the other carriers seem rather pedestrian by comparision,
simply repackaging their current offerings into the Flavor of the Month.
Don't get me wrong- Sprint still has a lot of baggage to get rid of before
they can make the next step. However, they are showing signs of life,
which could be bad for everybody else.
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| John Navas 2007-04-06, 4:33 am |
| On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 16:33:24 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in < 46158745$0$27214$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:
>Scott wrote:
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>The key point was that Sprint had slipped behind Verizon in data ARPU,
>but regained the lead. Obviously Nextel had nothing to do with Sprint
>regaining the lead, the increase came from the 1xEVDO network. It's
>pretty ironic that Sprint leads all the other carriers in data ARPU,
>considering their difficulties in new additions.
It's actually nonsensical. As I wrote, iDEN.
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| John Navas < spamfilter0@navasgro
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4ax.com:
> On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 16:33:24 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
> wrote in < 46158745$0$27214$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:
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> It's actually nonsensical. As I wrote, iDEN.
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And you are still wrong. Show me one iDen product that generates any kind
of substantial data charge- there isn't one.
You are quickly showing yourself to be very uneducated on the subject,
Novice.
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| John Navas 2007-04-06, 4:33 am |
| On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 21:16:26 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in < 4615c9a0$0$27155$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:
>Scott wrote:
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>The iDEN users pull the average down. If you exclude iDEN, the Sprint
>data ARPU is over $10 per month, with iDEN it's $8.32. This is because
>data use on iDEN is limited to some text messaging, but not the high
>revenue data services that are on CDMA. The reason that Sprint's data
>ARPU is going up is not only because of increased sales on their EVDO
>network, it's because they are losing low data revenue iDEN customers,
>which is not a good thing since they are often leaving for Verizon or
>Cingular. Increasing ARPU by losing profitable, but lower ARPU
>customers, is not such a great strategy.
According to IDC: "Of the total data revenue, 48.8% came from messaging
in comparison to 13.0% from content and simple application downloads and
38.2% from other business-and consumer-oriented services and content."
In other words, EV-DO _isn't_ the driving factor -- it's messaging.
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| Elmo P. Shagnasty 2007-04-06, 7:33 am |
| In article < htgb1358g9qvgu4koab6
hpsq46nnqmoqe8@4ax.com>,
John Navas < spamfilter0@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
> It's actually nonsensical. As I wrote, iDEN.
Rubbish.
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| Elmo P. Shagnasty 2007-04-06, 7:33 am |
| In article < ibkb13591rjc94rjlfbp
86is9fn47na3ku@4ax.com>,
John Navas < spamfilter0@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
> In other words, EV-DO _isn't_ the driving factor -- it's messaging.
Nonsense.
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| james g. keegan jr. 2007-04-06, 10:33 am |
| In article < d8ha13ht6pjl51l28099
bummeabtiacoec@4ax.com>,
John Navas < spamfilter0@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 11:20:48 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
> wrote in < 46153e02$0$27174$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:
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> That's just a guess. Only time will tell whether it's true or not.
you're in denial john
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| John Navas 2007-04-06, 12:33 pm |
| On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 11:20:43 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in < 4616654b$0$27225$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:
>james g. keegan jr. wrote:
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>My g-d, why do you all keep replying to his crap? Kill file him and be
>done with it. He thrives on the attention he gets by making his
>nonsensical statements. He exists to be obnoxious and disruptive, and by
>not kill-filing him you encourage him to continue in this type of behavior.
You've described yourself very well indeed, but kill filing is of course
childish -- it's apparently just too painful to see your fantasies
exposed.
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| John Navas 2007-04-07, 10:33 pm |
| On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:05:01 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in < 4616d21f$0$27250$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:
>Notan wrote:
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>Without kill-filing, Usenet would be almost unusable.
Kill filing is actually childish, and usually more effort than its worth
(negative payback) ... unless you're got some other reason.
>Many of the groups
>are over-run with trolls that clutter up the newsgroup with their
>nonsensical posts. They crave attention, and the fact that Usenet is
>rather anonymous, they can be disruptive and annoying and see the
>reaction that they get. It's almost like a child testing a parent to see
>how far they can go with bad behavior before being sent to their room.
You've described yourself quite well.
>Personally, I kill-file very few posters. It's bad form to kill-file
>someone just because they have different opinions than your own.
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>I kill-filed the individual in question because he is a pathological
>liar, he is unable to rationally look at factual information and gain
>anything from it if it conflicts with his personal agenda.
The biggest reason is that I've so often exposed your fantasies for what
they are -- you just can't handle being shown to be so often wrong.
Jealousy also seems to be a factor.
>He spams
>newsgroups with his periodic postings, he illegally posts copyrighted
>material, and he is somehow convinced that charters for one newsgroup
>should be endlessly posted in newsgroups to which they have no
>relevance. He has made shilling for Cingular his life's work,
Your usual ad hominem. Just makes you look bad.
>Unlike the individual in
>question, I have a life outside of Usenet!
Had me fooled.
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