Cingular cell phone service - Re: Moto V3xx sensitivity verses Nokia 6126

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Re: Moto V3xx sensitivity verses Nokia 6126

dold@83.usenet.us.com

2007-06-05, 3:33 pm

In alt.cellular.motorola dold@93.usenet.us.com wrote:
> That's two votes for the Krzr. I like the form factor, too. But it's kind
> of pricey.

I decided $199 was too much for a Krzr. All I really want is voice
communications.

I called to return the V3xx. They said "just use the RMA labels on the
Order Confirmation that came in the box". Right. No such thing. Okay,
we'll mail some RMA labels.

What unit would you suggest? That didn't get much of a response.

How about the Nokia 6126? Okay. Sorry for the inconvenience. We'll ship
the Nokia FedEx Next Day Air at no charge. Of course, it took three days
to get the shipment to go out... The conversation was on Thursday, May 31.
The FedEx label does say Priority Overnight, but the shipping date is
02Jun07 3:47pm. No RMA labels in the box.

I was hoping to say that the Nokia 6126 was head and shoulders better than
the V3xx. It is noticeably better, but I don't think it's any better than
my V551.

The 6126 is thicker, but smaller to hold. It has a weird "switchblade"
effect to opening the flip with a little button on the side.

It holds calls where the V3xx would not. It surfs the web where the V3xx
would not. The free Nokia PCSuite is easier to use than the extra-cost
Motorola Phone Tools.

It has Voice Recognition dialing that is simpler to use than the V3xx.
The only down side so far is that it doesn't use a standard mini-USB cable,
so no charging from the laptop.

And it has a dinky-tiny signal strength bar, so it's hard to see how much
better than the V3xx it is, but the proof is in the surfing and talking.

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SMS

2007-06-05, 10:33 pm

dold@83.usenet.us.com wrote:

> It holds calls where the V3xx would not. It surfs the web where the V3xx
> would not. The free Nokia PCSuite is easier to use than the extra-cost
> Motorola Phone Tools.

It would be hard for any software to be worse than the flaky Motorola
Phone Tools.

> It has Voice Recognition dialing that is simpler to use than the V3xx.
> The only down side so far is that it doesn't use a standard mini-USB cable,
> so no charging from the laptop.
>
> And it has a dinky-tiny signal strength bar, so it's hard to see how much
> better than the V3xx it is, but the proof is in the surfing and talking.

But no HSDPA, only Edge.

At least it's quad band, so it's usable in Europe, Asia, and Australia.

XS11E

2007-06-05, 10:33 pm

SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> It would be hard for any software to be worse than the flaky
> Motorola Phone Tools.

I run MPT on my laptop with Windows XP Home, on my desktop with Windows
XP Pro and Vista Ultimate 64, I've never had any problem with
installing, connecting to my E815, synchronizing or transferring files.
MPT has been solid and trouble free for me.

I'm wondering what kind of problems you've had?

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John Navas

2007-06-05, 10:33 pm

On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 14:50:05 -0700, XS11E <xs11e@mailinator.com> wrote
in < Xns994696E825AACxs11
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>SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>
>I run MPT on my laptop with Windows XP Home, on my desktop with Windows
>XP Pro and Vista Ultimate 64, I've never had any problem with
>installing, connecting to my E815, synchronizing or transferring files.
>MPT has been solid and trouble free for me.
>
>I'm wondering what kind of problems you've had?

Distaste for anything GSM in general, and Cingular in particular; i.e.,
guilt by association. :)

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dold@83.usenet.us.com

2007-06-06, 12:33 pm

In alt.cellular.cingular SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> But no HSDPA, only Edge.

I thought 3G (does HSDPA always follow?) would be cool, but the nearest 3G
is quite a ways away from me.

The 6126 has an icon that shows a G with a slash, a G, or a G with a box,
for poor network, GPRS and EDGE. It varies when the signal varies. I
didn't see that with the V3xx. It would show E all the time if the tower
had EDGE, even if a browse attempt failed.

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dold@83.usenet.us.com

2007-06-06, 12:33 pm

In alt.cellular.cingular XS11E <xs11e@mailinator.com> wrote:
> I run MPT on my laptop with Windows XP Home, on my desktop with Windows
> XP Pro and Vista Ultimate 64, I've never had any problem with
> installing, connecting to my E815, synchronizing or transferring files.
> MPT has been solid and trouble free for me.

> I'm wondering what kind of problems you've had?

A search of this group, or a perusal of the BVRP forums, would give you an
inkling of how much trouble lots of people have with the software.

I had no trouble with it and my V3xx, although I would occasionally have
trouble with other phones.

My V551 was officially abandoned, supposedly at Motorola's request, and
would not operate with MPT later than 4.04b.

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XS11E

2007-06-06, 12:33 pm

dold@83.usenet.us.com wrote:

> In alt.cellular.cingular XS11E <xs11e@mailinator.com> wrote:
>
>
> A search of this group, or a perusal of the BVRP forums, would
> give you an inkling of how much trouble lots of people have with
> the software.

Thanks but that does NOT answer the question I asked.

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John Navas

2007-06-13, 4:33 am

On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 16:20:51 +0000 (UTC), dold@83.usenet.us.com wrote in
<f46mt3$hko$3@blue.rahul.net>:

>In alt.cellular.cingular XS11E <xs11e@mailinator.com> wrote:
>
>
>A search of this group, or a perusal of the BVRP forums, would give you an
>inkling of how much trouble lots of people have with the software.

Actually a relative few people.

>My V551 was officially abandoned, supposedly at Motorola's request, and
>would not operate with MPT later than 4.04b.

No biggie -- just stick with the version that works, as I did.

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John Navas

2007-06-13, 4:33 am

On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 16:14:49 +0000 (UTC), dold@83.usenet.us.com wrote in
<f46mhp$hko$2@blue.rahul.net>:

>In alt.cellular.cingular SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>I thought 3G (does HSDPA always follow?) would be cool, but the nearest 3G
>is quite a ways away from me.

3G is UMTS. HSDPA is UMTS on steroids.

>The 6126 has an icon that shows a G with a slash, a G, or a G with a box,
>for poor network, GPRS and EDGE. It varies when the signal varies. I
>didn't see that with the V3xx. It would show E all the time if the tower
>had EDGE, even if a browse attempt failed.

EDGE is actually EGPRS, which is simply a more advanced form of GPRS.
Pretty much all AT&T/Cingular towers are now EGPRS. The signal quality
on the V3xx is shown with bars, so a symbol isn't really necessary.

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dold@83.usenet.us.com

2007-06-13, 4:33 am

In alt.cellular.cingular John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 16:20:51 +0000 (UTC), dold@83.usenet.us.com wrote in
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> Actually a relative few people.

Between this group and the BVRP forums, it seems to number in excess of
100. That might be relatively few in comparison to the number of installed
clients, or not. The recurrence of common themes makes me believe that
many people would give up if they encountered some of the common problems.

[color=darkred]
> No biggie -- just stick with the version that works, as I did.

Do you maintain the old version on a separate PC?
If not a biggie, it at least seems irregular to drop support for a very
popular phone that is less than two years old, the length of time some
people are indirectly tied to owning the phone due to contracts.

Or maybe my reaction was the one Motorola hoped for. I bought a new phone.

Oh, wait, it's a Nokia, and I like their sync program better than MPT.
That's probably not what Motorola wanted.

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John Navas

2007-06-13, 10:33 am

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 07:27:02 +0000 (UTC), dold@83.usenet.us.com wrote in
<f4o686$qjo$1@blue.rahul.net>:

>In alt.cellular.cingular John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
>
>
>Between this group and the BVRP forums, it seems to number in excess of
>100.

I'd say it's only a fraction of that.

>That might be relatively few in comparison to the number of installed
>clients, or not.

It's clearly a small fraction of the total user base.

>The recurrence of common themes makes me believe that
>many people would give up if they encountered some of the common problems.

By that standard you condemn virtually all products.

>
>
>Do you maintain the old version on a separate PC?

I kept it running on my primary machines.

>If not a biggie, it at least seems irregular to drop support for a very
>popular phone that is less than two years old, the length of time some
>people are indirectly tied to owning the phone due to contracts.

Any other examples, or are you basing this entirely on a single phone?

>Or maybe my reaction was the one Motorola hoped for. I bought a new phone.
>
>Oh, wait, it's a Nokia, and I like their sync program better than MPT.
>That's probably not what Motorola wanted.

There's no real evidence that "Motorola wanted" anything.

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SMS

2007-06-13, 10:33 am

dold@83.usenet.us.com wrote:
> In alt.cellular.cingular John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
>
>
> Between this group and the BVRP forums, it seems to number in excess of
> 100. That might be relatively few in comparison to the number of installed
> clients, or not.

LOL, of course the number of people reporting their problems on these
forums is only a tiny tiny percentage of people with problems.

The biggest problem with MPT appears to be that whether or not the
program connects with the phone each time you connect seems to be random.

John Navas

2007-06-13, 12:33 pm

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 07:52:45 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in < 467004a7$0$27163$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:

>dold@83.usenet.us.com wrote:
>
>LOL, of course the number of people reporting their problems on these
>forums is only a tiny tiny percentage of people with problems.
>
>The biggest problem with MPT appears to be that whether or not the
>program connects with the phone each time you connect seems to be random.

When MPT and the phone are properly installed, connection is reliable.

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dold@83.usenet.us.com

2007-06-13, 10:33 pm

In alt.cellular.cingular John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 07:27:02 +0000 (UTC), dold@83.usenet.us.com wrote in
> <f4o686$qjo$1@blue.rahul.net>:

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> I'd say it's only a fraction of that.

I respectfully disagree. I would guess that the number of individual
threads is 100, with many "me too" posters chiming in. Within the last six
months, it certainly exceeds a "fraction" of 100.

[color=darkred]
> It's clearly a small fraction of the total user base.

What do you think the installed user base is?

[color=darkred]
> By that standard you condemn virtually all products.

There are many products that are tried and abandoned if they don't seem to
work.

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> I kept it running on my primary machines.

How do you interface with the V3xx, then, that needs 4.51c?

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> Any other examples, or are you basing this entirely on a single phone?

I'm not sure what you are asking. My V551 is not supported. My V551 is a
single example of a telephone that sold in quantity.

[color=darkred]
> There's no real evidence that "Motorola wanted" anything.

Does your V551 work with MPT 4.51c? I recall that it is about the same age
as mine. Tech support from BVRP-USA told me that support was dropped at
the request of Motorola.

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John Navas

2007-06-13, 10:33 pm

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:58:02 +0000 (UTC), dold@83.usenet.us.com wrote in
<f4pp9a$q1o$2@blue.rahul.net>:

>In alt.cellular.cingular John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
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>
>
>I respectfully disagree. ...

OK. We disagree.

>
>
>What do you think the installed user base is?

Probably hundreds of thousands, plus or minus.

>
>
>There are many products that are tried and abandoned if they don't seem to
>work.

MPT actually works quite well.

>
>
>How do you interface with the V3xx, then, that needs 4.51c?

My V551 is in the dustbin.

>
>
>I'm not sure what you are asking. My V551 is not supported. My V551 is a
>single example of a telephone that sold in quantity.

In other words, just a single data point.

>
>Does your V551 work with MPT 4.51c? I recall that it is about the same age
>as mine.

Not well. See my prior posts.

>Tech support from BVRP-USA told me that support was dropped at
>the request of Motorola.

That sounds like Urban Legend to me.

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dold@83.usenet.us.com

2007-06-13, 10:33 pm

In alt.cellular.motorola John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:58:02 +0000 (UTC), dold@83.usenet.us.com wrote in

> Probably hundreds of thousands, plus or minus.

That might be urban legend, or at least a gross assumption.

> MPT actually works quite well.

It does. If you have a static configuration, and make connections that are
the same each time. Variances cause grief. Once I got mine working, it
seemed to work well, but occasionally, usually after a long enough absence
that I assume "something" changed, it would fail to connect to the phone.
Using it on a daily basis, it would connect time after time.

[color=darkred]
> My V551 is in the dustbin.

Then I am confused as to why you would keep an old version on your primary
machines. My V551 would not operate with 4.51c, my V3xx would not work
without 4.51c

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> In other words, just a single data point.

A single phone, sold in numbers that exceed the entire MPT subscriber base.

> Not well. See my prior posts.

I lose track, pardon me. If it's in the dustbin it doesn't matter.

[color=darkred]
> That sounds like Urban Legend to me.

Which would be the urban legend? That Motorola said it to BVRP, or that
BVRP said it to me?

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John Navas

2007-06-13, 10:33 pm

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:16:51 +0000 (UTC), dold@83.usenet.us.com wrote in
<f4pqcj$q1o$5@blue.rahul.net>:

>In alt.cellular.motorola John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
>
>
>That might be urban legend, or at least a gross assumption.

True, but the math seems pretty reasonable to me.

>
>It does. If you have a static configuration, and make connections that are
>the same each time. Variances cause grief.

Yep. It's designed for just one connection. That said, the grief is
pretty minor.

>Once I got mine working, it
>seemed to work well, but occasionally, usually after a long enough absence
>that I assume "something" changed, it would fail to connect to the phone.
>Using it on a daily basis, it would connect time after time.

[shrug]

>
>Then I am confused as to why you would keep an old version on your primary
>machines.

I didn't say I did, and I don't.

>My V551 would not operate with 4.51c, my V3xx would not work
>without 4.51c

My problems weren't so serious, but I'm using 4.5.1c in any event.

>
>
>A single phone, sold in numbers that exceed the entire MPT subscriber base.

Maybe. Maybe not.
But I don't think it's a meaningful analogy in any event.

>
>
>Which would be the urban legend? That Motorola said it to BVRP, or that
>BVRP said it to me?

That Motorola took such a position. Color me very skeptical.

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dold@83.usenet.us.com

2007-06-13, 10:33 pm

In alt.cellular.cingular John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:16:51 +0000 (UTC), dold@83.usenet.us.com wrote in
> <f4pqcj$q1o$5@blue.rahul.net>:

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> True, but the math seems pretty reasonable to me.

So it's completely baseless, but a reasonable guess.
I can accept that, but I can also accept that I have seen over 100 posts
about problems.

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> I didn't say I did, and I don't.

It seems like you did say that, and continued on that thought in a
second post in this thread, but I am clearly mistaken.

... > >> No biggie -- just stick with the version that works, as I did.
... > >
... > >Do you maintain the old version on a separate PC?

... > I kept it running on my primary machines.

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> Maybe. Maybe not.
> But I don't think it's a meaningful analogy in any event.

How is that an analogy? A popular phone is unsupported.

[color=darkred]
> That Motorola took such a position. Color me very skeptical.

MPT beyond some version won't write to my V551. BVRP-USA support says it
is because my firmware level is unsupported.

Color me disappointed.

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John Navas

2007-06-13, 10:33 pm

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:32:31 +0000 (UTC), dold@83.usenet.us.com wrote in
<f4puqf$2dh$1@blue.rahul.net>:

>In alt.cellular.cingular John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>So it's completely baseless, but a reasonable guess.

I didn't say or even imply that. Kindly stick to what I actually say,
rather than trying to put words in my mouth. "The math seems pretty
reasonable to me" means that I ran some numbers to arrive at a
reasonable estimate. Did you?

>I can accept that, but I can also accept that I have seen over 100 posts
>about problems.

Where? I've not seen posts by 100 different people. I have seen lots
of posts by the same people over and over, and too much anonymity to
reach any definitive conclusion.

>
>
>It seems like you did say that, and continued on that thought in a
>second post in this thread, but I am clearly mistaken.
>
>.. > >> No biggie -- just stick with the version that works, as I did.
>.. > >
>.. > >Do you maintain the old version on a separate PC?
>
>.. > I kept it running on my primary machines.

That meant that I kept the old version running on my primary machines
_when_ I was using the V551. That was months ago. I'm now using a V3xx
with the latest version of MPT, as should be clear from my posts.

>
>
>How is that an analogy? A popular phone is unsupported.

BVRP still has it in the list of supported devices.

>
>
>MPT beyond some version won't write to my V551. BVRP-USA support says it
>is because my firmware level is unsupported.
>
>Color me disappointed.

Seems to me your beef is with BVRP, and that it's not much of a beef at
that, since the older version of MPT still works fine with the V551.

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