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| Rick Blaine 2007-06-24, 10:33 pm |
| "Justin" <justincase23@gmail.com> wrote in message
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.poster...
> This is WAY cool.
>
> http://www.apple.com/iphone/usingiphone/guidedtour.html
>
Yup, a really neat piece of equipment. Too bad it's next to useless because
you have to be on the Stinkular network to use it....
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| "Rick Blaine" <rick@cafe> wrote:
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> Yup, a really neat piece of equipment. Too bad it's next to useless because
> you have to be on the Stinkular network to use it....
that's only the phone part until Skype is ported over, the rest runs on
802.11g, so it's up to you if want to use ATT or your own network.
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| Jesus 2007-06-24, 10:33 pm |
| On Jun 24, 9:18 pm, none <a...@b.com> wrote:
> "Rick Blaine" <rick@cafe> wrote:
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> that's only the phone part until Skype is ported over, the rest runs on
> 802.11g, so it's up to you if want to use ATT or your own network.
You can't buy it without a two year contract, Stinkwad.
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| Jesus < rustybucket666@gmail
.com> wrote:
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> You can't buy it without a two year contract, Stinkwad.
Ah, but you can immediately break the contract for $175, so keep that in
mind. Why so testy?
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| Randall Ainsworth 2007-06-25, 7:33 am |
| In article <7s6dnT2Rx6m- iuLbnZ2dnUVZ_tCtnZ2d
@comcast.com>, Rick Blaine
<rick@cafe> wrote:
> Yup, a really neat piece of equipment. Too bad it's next to useless because
> you have to be on the Stinkular network to use it....
That's the deal breaker for me. Cingular/AT&T is terrible.
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| George Kerby 2007-06-25, 10:33 am |
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On 6/25/07 6:59 AM, in article 250620070459403226%r
ag@nospam.techline.com,
"Randall Ainsworth" <rag@nospam.techline.com> wrote:
> In article <7s6dnT2Rx6m- iuLbnZ2dnUVZ_tCtnZ2d
@comcast.com>, Rick Blaine
> <rick@cafe> wrote:
>
>
> That's the deal breaker for me. Cingular/AT&T is terrible.
What part of the country are you in? Here in Houston, there isn't much of a
problem.
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| \Randall Ainsworth <rag@nospam.techline.com> wrote:
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> That's the deal breaker for me. Cingular/AT&T is terrible.
yeah, but if ATT doesn't shape up Apple will force them to, Apple had to
get Intel in line a year or so ago, now Intel is operating much better.
Apple is pretty demanding and they simply won't allow ATT customers,
(soon iPhone customers) to receive poor service. it just won't happen.
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| Rick Blaine 2007-06-25, 12:33 pm |
| "none" <a@b.com> wrote in message
news:a-5AC819.08443125062007@mpls-nnrp-02.inet.qwest.net...
> \Randall Ainsworth <rag@nospam.techline.com> wrote:
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> yeah, but if ATT doesn't shape up Apple will force them to, Apple had to
> get Intel in line a year or so ago, now Intel is operating much better.
> Apple is pretty demanding and they simply won't allow ATT customers,
> (soon iPhone customers) to receive poor service. it just won't happen.
Take a look at the revenues for Apple vs. ATT and then reconsider your
comment...mouse vs. elephant.
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| "Rick Blaine" <rick@cafe> wrote:
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> Take a look at the revenues for Apple vs. ATT and then reconsider your
> comment...mouse vs. elephant.
yes, but ATT is a very old school company with much to learn from Apple,
Apple is really only technically 10 years old and can shape up ATT quite
quickly with a few succinct recommendations. Just look at what steve is
doing to Disney for a current example.
http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/inde...SS&NewsID=18376
ATT just replaced their boss, that was steve's move, you can be 100%
sure.
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| Rod Speed 2007-06-25, 3:33 pm |
| none <a@b.com> wrote
> Randall Ainsworth <rag@nospam.techline.com> wrote
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[color=darkred]
> yeah, but if ATT doesn't shape up Apple will force them to,
Fantasy.
> Apple had to get Intel in line a year or so ago, now Intel is operating much better.
Fantasy.
> Apple is pretty demanding and they simply won't allow ATT customers,
> (soon iPhone customers) to receive poor service. it just won't happen.
Fantasy.
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| Rod Speed 2007-06-25, 3:33 pm |
| none <a@b.com> wrote
> Rick Blaine <rick@cafe> wrote
[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
> yes, but ATT is a very old school company with much to learn from Apple,
Doesnt mean that is going to happen.
> Apple is really only technically 10 years old and can shape
> up ATT quite quickly with a few succinct recommendations.
Fantasy, those dinosaurs NEVER respond to that sort of thing.
> Just look at what steve is doing to Disney for a current example.
> http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/inde...SS&NewsID=18376
Different matter entirely.
> ATT just replaced their boss, that was steve's move, you can be 100% sure.
Another mindlessly silly fantasy.
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| "none" <a@b.com> wrote in message
news:a-388FEB.12560925062007@mpls-nnrp-02.inet.qwest.net...
> "Rick Blaine" <rick@cafe> wrote:
>
>
> yes, but ATT is a very old school company with much to learn from Apple,
> Apple is really only technically 10 years old and can shape up ATT quite
> quickly with a few succinct recommendations. Just look at what steve is
> doing to Disney for a current example.
>
> http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/inde...SS&NewsID=18376
>
> ATT just replaced their boss, that was steve's move, you can be 100%
> sure.
wow, you apple fans sure do see the world through a different set of eyes,
eh? :D whitacre is retiring from att only a year early, at 65, and there's
been nothing to suggest it was anything other han by choice. additionally,
his replacement, stephenson, has been the heir apparent for quite some time,
and is said to be very much like whitacre, so if jobs did force something
(somehow), he didn't exactly change much.
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| "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Fantasy.
The CEO of ATT was forced out last week. Fact.
>
> Fantasy.
Intel stock and internal performance was lack-luster before they finally
won the Apple contract. Apple quickly swooped in and straightened their
design and engineering groups out. Fact.
>
> Fantasy.
Apple at this point (or more technically, SJ) controls much of the
business world now. What he says moves markets faster than anyone alive.
Fact.
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| "ed" <news@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote:
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> wow, you apple fans sure do see the world through a different set of eyes,
> eh?
yeah, apple users see things as they are, no fluff, that's for sure.
> :D whitacre is retiring from att only a year early, at 65, and there's
> been nothing to suggest it was anything other han by choice.
ah, his performance at MacWorld spelled the end of his career, he's not
a world class CEO, it was clearly apparent. The process to push him out
of ATT started the moment he "finally" got off the MacWorld stage.
Same thing happened to the SONY CEO, Nobuyuki Idei come to think of it.
MacWorld keynotes are like a guillotine if you don't measure up to
extremely high standards.
> additionally,
> his replacement, stephenson, has been the heir apparent for quite some time,
> and is said to be very much like whitacre,
yes, but stephenson is younger and more articulate. you can't have
mind-numbing CEO's like whitacre near Apple products. Apple will not
tolerate it.
> so if jobs did force something
> (somehow), he didn't exactly change much.
but he did change things, just like how he pushed Eisner out of Disney a
few years ago, and then became its largest shareholder... that was a
pure Steve move and everyone knows it.
will Apple do the same to ATT? hard to say, but Apple now controls what
ATT does in terms of wireless, so they are up against a tough task
master, can ATT measure up?
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| Tinman 2007-06-25, 3:33 pm |
| "none" wrote:
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> Apple at this point (or more technically, SJ) controls much of the
> business world now.
Holy crap, you people really do exist. (Up till now I thought that
delusional Mac zealotry was essentially a myth.)
--
Mike
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| "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Doesnt mean that is going to happen.
of course, but it puts all the pressure on ATT to keep the best phone in
their portfolio, ATT will have to bend to keep Apple happy.
>
> Fantasy, those dinosaurs NEVER respond to that sort of thing.
Ah, whitacre is gone within 6 months of the iphone announcement, if
stephenson doesn't measure up, apple will push him out as well. that's
how steve works if you don't yet understand.
>
> Different matter entirely.
Different matter, but exact same "technique".
>
> Another mindlessly silly fantasy.
Nope! You just don't understand how Apple operates, yet.
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| Justin 2007-06-25, 3:33 pm |
| none wrote on [Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:52:03 - 0600]:
> Apple at this point (or more technically, SJ) controls much of the
> business world now. What he says moves markets faster than anyone alive.
Fantasy. What Alan Greenspan and Ben Bernanke say moves markets much
faster.
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| "none" <a@b.com> wrote in message
news:a-C461D7.14090025062007@mpls-nnrp-02.inet.qwest.net...
> "ed" <news@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote:
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> yeah, apple users see things as they are, no fluff, that's for sure.
you're on crack dude.
>
> ah, his performance at MacWorld spelled the end of his career, he's not
> a world class CEO, it was clearly apparent. The process to push him out
> of ATT started the moment he "finally" got off the MacWorld stage.
>
> Same thing happened to the SONY CEO, Nobuyuki Idei come to think of it.
> MacWorld keynotes are like a guillotine if you don't measure up to
> extremely high standards.
you don't think it's maybe because sony hadn't been doing so well for the
years before?
>
> yes, but stephenson is younger and more articulate. you can't have
> mind-numbing CEO's like whitacre near Apple products. Apple will not
> tolerate it.
apple has basically no say. sorry.
>
> but he did change things, just like how he pushed Eisner out of Disney a
> few years ago, and then became its largest shareholder... that was a
> pure Steve move and everyone knows it.
only delusional people 'know' it- eisner was on his way out for quite a
while before that- he had been forced down as chairman back in 2004 if you
recall, due to shareholder revolt, and a very public dispute with roy
disney. he was also widely dislike amongst disney brass. but you can go
ahead and believe it was all because jobs wanted him out...
> will Apple do the same to ATT? hard to say, but Apple now controls what
> ATT does in terms of wireless, so they are up against a tough task
> master, can ATT measure up?
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| Rod Speed 2007-06-25, 10:33 pm |
| none <a@b.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
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[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
> of course, but it puts all the pressure on ATT to keep the best phone
> in their portfolio, ATT will have to bend to keep Apple happy.
Nope, ATT knows that Apple cant change horses now.
[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
> Ah, whitacre is gone within 6 months of the iphone announcement,
Nothing to do with the iphone announcement at all,
http://www.forbes.com/leadership/ma...tml?partner=rss
and a change in the monkey at the top doesnt change a dinosaur like that anyway.
> if stephenson doesn't measure up, apple will push him out as well.
Apple didnt push whitacre out, and gets no say on who runs ATT anyway.
> that's how steve works if you don't yet understand.
Jobs gets no say on who runs ATT.
[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
> Different matter, but exact same "technique".
Nope. Jobs gets no say on who runs ATT or how it operates either.
[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
> Nope! You just don't understand how Apple operates, yet.
You've never understood how things work, Jobs gets no say on who runs ATT or how it operates either.
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| Rod Speed 2007-06-25, 10:33 pm |
| none <a@b.com> wrote
> ed <news@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote
[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
> yeah, apple users see things as they are, no fluff, that's for sure.
Fantasy. You're so stupid that you havent even noticed that Stephenson
has been part of ATT for longer than Jobs has been around for, and that
Jobs gets no say what so ever on who runs ATT.
[color=darkred]
> ah, his performance at MacWorld spelled the end of his career,
Another mindlessly silly pig ignorant fantasy.
> he's not a world class CEO,
Wrong again. Pity about what he managed to achieve with ATT.
> it was clearly apparent. The process to push him out of ATT
> started the moment he "finally" got off the MacWorld stage.
Just another of your silly little pig ignorant fantasys.
> Same thing happened to the SONY CEO, Nobuyuki Idei
> come to think of it. MacWorld keynotes are like a guillotine
> if you don't measure up to extremely high standards.
Just another of your silly little pig ignorant fantasys.
Many years in fact.
[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
> yes, but stephenson is younger
Irrelevant to your stupid claim that he retired because Jobs pushed him out.
Jobs gets no say what so ever on who runs ATT or anything much outside Apple either.
> and more articulate. you can't have mind-numbing CEO's
> like whitacre near Apple products. Apple will not tolerate it.
How odd that they chose ATT for their iphone.
And Apple gets no say what so ever on who runs ATT, ever.
The most Apple ever gets to do is decide who they want to get
involved with for their iphone, and even you must have noticed
that they chose ATT with whitacre driving that particular bus.
[color=darkred]
> but he did change things,
Not in ATT he didnt.
> just like how he pushed Eisner out of Disney a few
> years ago, and then became its largest shareholder...
Pity about all the other shareholders. That left Job's shareholding for dead.
> that was a pure Steve move and everyone knows it.
Just another of your silly little pig ignorant fantasys.
> will Apple do the same to ATT?
Nope, Jobs aint got enough money for that and isnt stupid enough
to have not grasped that ATT cant be changed that much anyway.
> hard to say,
Nope, easy to say actually. You watch.
> but Apple now controls what ATT does in terms of wireless,
Like hell it does.
> so they are up against a tough task master, can ATT measure up?
Probably not, and Apple gets to like that or lump it. They've got nowhere
else to go and havent got a hope in hell of going it alone either.
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| Rod Speed 2007-06-25, 10:33 pm |
| none <a@b.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
> The CEO of ATT was forced out last week.
No he wasnt, he chose to retire, after a VERY long time driving that bus, 17 years in fact.
> Fact.
Fantasy.
[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
> Intel stock and internal performance was lack-luster
> before they finally won the Apple contract.
Another pig ignorant fantasy. What actually happened is that Intel finally
got its act into gear with the Core 2 Duo, and got the jump on AMD
for the first time in a hell of a long time. Nothing to do with Apple at all.
> Apple quickly swooped in and straightened their design and engineering groups out.
Pure fantasy. Never happened.
> Fact.
Pure fantasy actually.
[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
> Apple at this point (or more technically, SJ)
> controls much of the business world now.
Pigs arse he does, XXXX all of it, actually.
> What he says moves markets faster than anyone alive.
Another pig ignorant lie.
> Fact.
Pure fantasy actually.
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| Rod Speed 2007-06-25, 10:33 pm |
| Tinman <ask@for.it> wrote
> none wrote
[color=darkred]
> Holy crap, you people really do exist. (Up till now I thought that delusional Mac zealotry was
> essentially a myth.)
Yeah, never actually seen one that mindlessly rabid till now.
Corse this is the fool that mindlessly claimed that the arch is the
strongest design element you can choose. too. Pig ignorant drivel.
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| Ian Gregory 2007-06-25, 10:33 pm |
| On 2007-06-25, Tinman <ask@for.it> wrote:
> "none" wrote:
>
> Holy crap, you people really do exist. (Up till now I thought that
> delusional Mac zealotry was essentially a myth.)
Yet it is true that SJ is highly influential in the world
of digital content provision. Just think of the impact
his 2007-02-06 "Thoughts on Music" piece had in the music
industry (161,000 Google hits for "Steve Jobs" "Thoughts on
Music". He blamed the "big four" music companies for creating
interoperability issues by their insistence on using DRM, and
suggested that they should reconsider.
Just under two months later Apple announce the availability of
DRM-free music from EMI on the iTMS. Yes it could be coincidence.
EMI might have changed their mind anyway. But it seems that
this sort of thing has happened too many times for it to be
coincidence. Apple have a massive share both of the portable
player market and the digital audio download market. This is
bound to give them a huge huge influence in the industry
regardless of what the Mac zealots say or do.
Ian
--
Ian Gregory
http://www.zenatode.org.uk/ian/
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| Bill Kearney 2007-06-25, 10:33 pm |
| Oh good lord, is there no end to the stupidity of the apple fanboys?
"none" <a@b.com> wrote in message
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> \Randall Ainsworth <rag@nospam.techline.com> wrote:
>
because[color=darkre
d]
>
> yeah, but if ATT doesn't shape up Apple will force them to, Apple had to
> get Intel in line a year or so ago, now Intel is operating much better.
> Apple is pretty demanding and they simply won't allow ATT customers,
> (soon iPhone customers) to receive poor service. it just won't happen.
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| Michelle Steiner 2007-06-25, 10:33 pm |
| In article <5ealssF35sm71U1@mid.individual.net>, "Tinman" <ask@for.it>
wrote:
>
> Holy crap, you people really do exist. (Up till now I thought that
> delusional Mac zealotry was essentially a myth.)
I think he was being sarcastic.
--
Support the troops: Bring them home ASAP.
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| Rod Speed 2007-06-25, 10:33 pm |
| Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote
> Tinman <ask@for.it> wrote
[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
> I think he was being sarcastic.
'think' again, he clearly wasnt.
It actually believes that mindlessly silly crap.
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| Steve Sobol 2007-06-25, 10:33 pm |
| ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.verizon.]
> yes, but ATT is a very old school company with much to learn from Apple,
> Apple is really only technically 10 years old and can shape up ATT quite
> quickly with a few succinct recommendations. Just look at what steve is
> doing to Disney for a current example.
Apple is only technically 10 years old?
*boggle*
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| Wes Groleau 2007-06-25, 10:33 pm |
|
>
> Ah, but you can immediately break the contract for $175, so keep that in
> mind. Why so testy?
The reports that Apple had repealed "no contract, no buy"
are false ?
--
Wes Groleau
There are some ideas so wrong that only a
very intelligent person could believe in them.
-- George Orwell
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| Tinman 2007-06-25, 10:33 pm |
| "Michelle Steiner" wrote:
> "Tinman" wrote:
>
> I think he was being sarcastic.
Think again.
--
Mike
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| Michelle Steiner 2007-06-25, 10:33 pm |
| In article <5eb215F36t8qkU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> 'think' again, he clearly wasnt.
After reading more of his drivel, I have to agree.
> It actually believes that mindlessly silly crap.
Either that or he is trolling.
--
Support the troops: Bring them home ASAP.
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| Rod Speed 2007-06-25, 10:33 pm |
| Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
> After reading more of his drivel, I have to agree.
[color=darkred]
> Either that or he is trolling.
Nar, have a look at its posting history, its actually silly enough to believe it.
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| TheLetterK 2007-06-25, 10:33 pm |
| Randall Ainsworth wrote:
> In article <7s6dnT2Rx6m- iuLbnZ2dnUVZ_tCtnZ2d
@comcast.com>, Rick Blaine
> <rick@cafe> wrote:
>
>
> That's the deal breaker for me. Cingular/AT&T is terrible.
I haven't had any trouble with Cingular yet, other than their terrible
pricing for data plans.
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| "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Nope, ATT knows that Apple cant change horses now.
Sure it can, ATT is just a puppet to Apple. If they don't have the
iPhone they don't have a successful enterprise.
But don't worry, ATT needs Apple so they'll bend over backwards to keep
them in the fold.
>
>
>
> Nothing to do with the iphone announcement at all,
> http://www.forbes.com/leadership/ma...-randall-att-fa
> ce- cx_er_0427autofacesc
an01.html?partner=rss
Sure it was.
> a change in the monkey at the top doesnt change a dinosaur like that
> anyway.
>
>
> Apple didnt push whitacre out, and gets no say on who runs ATT anyway.
gosh, you are clueless on how all this worked. I know you aren't close
to the situation, but come on.
>
> Jobs gets no say on who runs ATT.
Ah, only 80% since he owns the primary phone at this point the game.
>
>
>
> Nope. Jobs gets no say on who runs ATT or how it operates either.
Gosh, you are totally clueless. ATT is desperate for Apple to show them
the way, and Steve is the guide. ATT is just a pawn in Apple's overall
game plan.
>
>
>
> You've never understood how things work, Jobs gets no say on who runs ATT or
> how it operates either.
Just wait a year, if stephenson doesn't work, steve will push him out.
Apple is much stronger than ATT in the business world, and you continue
to ignore that fact.
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| "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Fantasy. You're so stupid that you havent even noticed that Stephenson
> has been part of ATT for longer than Jobs has been around for, and that
> Jobs gets no say what so ever on who runs ATT.
He initially joined AT&T Inc. in 1982, so that makes him 6 years less
experienced than Steve of Apple in 1976. You are a fool to not
understand who is in control now.
>
>
> Another mindlessly silly pig ignorant fantasy.
You didn't seek the Keynote, that's killed many a CEO in the past.
>
>
> Wrong again. Pity about what he managed to achieve with ATT.
ATT is a managerial MESS, it needs to be cleaned up "SJ" style and will
be if they don't shape up quickly.
>
> Just another of your silly little pig ignorant fantasys.
You have NO idea what is going on...
>
> Just another of your silly little pig ignorant fantasys.
That's a pure fact, look it up...
>
> Many years in fact.
>
>
>
> Irrelevant to your stupid claim that he retired because Jobs pushed him out.
>
> Jobs gets no say what so ever on who runs ATT or anything much outside Apple
> either.
>
>
> How odd that they chose ATT for their iphone.
>
> And Apple gets no say what so ever on who runs ATT, ever.
>
> The most Apple ever gets to do is decide who they want to get
> involved with for their iphone, and even you must have noticed
> that they chose ATT with whitacre driving that particular bus.
>
>
>
> Not in ATT he didnt.
>
>
> Pity about all the other shareholders. That left Job's shareholding for dead.
>
>
> Just another of your silly little pig ignorant fantasys.
>
>
> Nope, Jobs aint got enough money for that and isnt stupid enough
> to have not grasped that ATT cant be changed that much anyway.
>
>
> Nope, easy to say actually. You watch.
>
>
> Like hell it does.
>
>
> Probably not, and Apple gets to like that or lump it. They've got nowhere
> else to go and havent got a hope in hell of going it alone either.
Face the facts, Apple has control over ATT by one single product. ATT
will either rise or fall with the blessing of Apple from Friday, June
29th forward. ATT just isn't in command any longer, Apple calls all the
shots in the Cell Industry from this Friday, forward.
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| Justin 2007-06-25, 10:33 pm |
| none wrote on [Mon, 25 Jun 2007 20:31:14 - 0600]:
> Face the facts, Apple has control over ATT by one single product. ATT
> will either rise or fall with the blessing of Apple from Friday, June
> 29th forward. ATT just isn't in command any longer, Apple calls all the
> shots in the Cell Industry from this Friday, forward.
Hahahahahahaha
You are so deluded it's scary.
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| Michelle Steiner 2007-06-25, 10:33 pm |
| In article <a-6666FE.20311425062007@mpls-nnrp-02.inet.qwest.net>,
none <a@b.com> wrote:
> Face the facts, Apple has control over ATT by one single product. ATT
> will either rise or fall with the blessing of Apple from Friday, June
> 29th forward. ATT just isn't in command any longer, Apple calls all
> the shots in the Cell Industry from this Friday, forward.
And you are a disinformation agent for Microsoft or Verizon, right?
--
Support the troops: Bring them home ASAP.
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| Michelle Steiner 2007-06-25, 10:33 pm |
| In article <a-9546A3.20250825062007@mpls-nnrp-02.inet.qwest.net>,
none <a@b.com> wrote:
> Sure it can, ATT is just a puppet to Apple. If they don't have the
> iPhone they don't have a successful enterprise.
AT&T has the largest wireless network in the USA; they don't need the
iPhone, even though it will benefit their bottom line a lot. They and
Apple are locked in to a five-year contract with each other, so Apple
doesn't control AT&T.
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| Michelle Steiner 2007-06-25, 10:33 pm |
| In article <a-9546A3.20250825062007@mpls-nnrp-02.inet.qwest.net>,
none <a@b.com> wrote:
> Apple is much stronger than ATT in the business world, and you
> continue to ignore that fact.
LOL.
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| Michelle Steiner 2007-06-25, 10:33 pm |
| In article <5eb755F37e8acU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Nar, have a look at its posting history, its actually silly enough to
> believe it.
Well, I'm what Windroids call a "maccie" (or however they spell it) and
plan to buy an iPhone on Friday, but I think this guy is off his rocker.
no wonder he hides behind an alias.
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| Rod Speed 2007-06-25, 10:33 pm |
| none <a@b.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
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> Sure it can,
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof of why
you arent running ATT, Apple, or anything else either.
> ATT is just a puppet to Apple.
Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasys.
> If they don't have the iPhone they don't have a successful enterprise.
Better tell the stockmarket and morningstar etc then.
Dont be TOO surprised when they just laugh in your silly little pig ignorant face.
> But don't worry, ATT needs Apple
No they dont. Apple is worth having for them tho.
> so they'll bend over backwards to keep them in the fold.
Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasys.
They'll just do their usual rather pathetic effort than all the dinosaurs do, you watch.
They've just replaced the COO with another clone of the first one, from inside that dinosaur.
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> Sure it was.
How odd that Forbes didnt even mention that.
Corse they havent got a clue and you know it all, eh ?
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> gosh, you are clueless on how all this worked.
Forbes too eh ? Yeah, right.
> I know you aren't close to the situation,
You in spades. You're just some stupid little Apple fanchild that is so stupid that
it hasnt even noticed that the arch isnt the strongest design element either.
> but come on.
We aint going nowhere.
How odd that not even a single individual that has commented
on your mindlessly silly claims actually agrees with you either.
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> Ah, only 80% since he owns the primary phone at this point the game.
He doesnt own the primary phone either. And even ATT
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> Gosh, you are totally clueless.
Forbes too eh ? Everyone else who has commented on you silly shit too eh ?
Yeah, right.
> ATT is desperate for Apple to show them the way,
Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant fantasys.
> and Steve is the guide. ATT is just a pawn in Apple's overall game plan.
Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant fantasys.
How odd that the market cap of ATT leaves Apple's for dead.
You do know what a market cap is dont you child ?
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> Just wait a year, if stephenson doesn't work, steve will push him out.
Jobs gets no say what so ever on who runs ATT, ever.
> Apple is much stronger than ATT in the business world,
How odd that the market cap of ATT leaves Apple's for dead.
You do know what a market cap is dont you child ?
> and you continue to ignore that fact.
Just calling it a fact doesnt make it a fact, child.
Now get down on your knees and grovel to that shrine to Jobs so we can boot you up the arse, again.
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| none wrote:
> Apple is much stronger than ATT in the business world, and you continue
> to ignore that fact.
Hmm, Apple is hovering right around 1% in terms of market share (for
business), while the wireless part of AT&T has about 30% market share
(for business), while for non-wireless products AT&T does business with
about 80% of larger businesses (be it long distance, conference calling,
leased lines, whatever).
Apple's strengths are in the education market and in the consumer
market. They could, if they wished, expand their market share in
businesses, but they would have to offer dual-boot systems direct from
Apple, rather than the current way of having their resellers offer this
option.
The iPhone is not directed at large businesses. It cannot run the
necessary applications.
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| Rod Speed 2007-06-26, 4:33 am |
| none <a@b.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
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> He initially joined AT&T Inc. in 1982,
Pity about his 44 years in AT&T and its predecessor companys.
> so that makes him 6 years less experienced than Steve of Apple in 1976.
Pity about what he was doing before 82, fool.
You seriously 'think' that someone retiring at 64 only started working in 82, child ?
> You are a fool to not understand who is in control now.
Forbes too eh ? How odd that Jobs didnt even get a mention in
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> You didn't seek the Keynote, that's killed many a CEO in the past.
It aint gotta damned thing to do with why whitacre retired.
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> ATT is a managerial MESS, it needs to be cleaned up
> "SJ" style and will be if they don't shape up quickly.
Jobs gets no say what so ever on who runs AT&T or
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> You have NO idea what is going on...
Forbes too eh ?
Everyone else who has chosen to comment on your silly claims too eh ?
Yeah, right.
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> That's a pure fact, look it up...
Its nothing like a fact. He was getting dumped on LONG before then, child.
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> Face the facts,
You wouldnt know what a fact was if it bit you on your lard arse, child.
> Apple has control over ATT by one single product.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof of
why you aint running AT&T or anything else either.
> ATT will either rise or fall with the blessing of Apple from Friday, June 29th forward.
How odd that AT&T's market cap leave's Apples for dead, and always has too.
> ATT just isn't in command any longer, Apple calls all
> the shots in the Cell Industry from this Friday, forward.
Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasys, child.
Nokia aint going anywhere, you watch.
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| Rod Speed 2007-06-26, 4:33 am |
| Justin <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote:
> none wrote on [Mon, 25 Jun 2007 20:31:14 -0600]:
>
> Hahahahahahaha
>
> You are so deluded it's scary.
No one is scared by loons that loony, they're completely harmless.
They do provide a bit of light relief tho.
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| Rod Speed 2007-06-26, 4:33 am |
| Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote
> none <a@b.com> wrote
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> And you are a disinformation agent for Microsoft or Verizon, right?
Nar, it actually is that stupid. Look at its posting history.
http://groups.google.com/groups? as...r />
a@b.com%3E
Jobs has clearly implanted an ipod between its ears.
Hope its dogshit proof.
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| Rod Speed 2007-06-26, 4:33 am |
| Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
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> Well, I'm what Windroids call a "maccie"
You should have posted a warning before leaping out of that closet
quite so enthusiastically, there are clearly children reading these groups.
> (or however they spell it)
they spell it stupid.
> and plan to buy an iPhone on Friday,
Havent even noticed that what that bugger Jobs has done subliminals wise on those Macs |-(
> but I think this guy is off his rocker.
Yeah, havent noticed such a rabid fanchild for a long time now.
Its that bugger Job's fault, the subliminals have clearly fried what was between its ears.
> no wonder he hides behind an alias.
True, thats Jobs too.
I think Jobs should be burnt at the stake.
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| Michelle Steiner 2007-06-26, 4:33 am |
| In article <5ebgrpF36gjd0U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Havent even noticed that what that bugger Jobs has done subliminals
> wise on those Macs |-(
I've been a Verizon Wireless customer for nine years (the first year or
two, it was still GTE Mobilenet where I lived at the time), and if
Verizon weren't so anal about letting me replace a damaged phone at a
reasonable price, I would have bought another phone from them. But they
want me to pay full price, which comes to almost what an iPhone costs.
Even so, the deal maker for me about the iPhone, since I need to buy an
new phone anyway, is that it can do 802.11g (and b), so I can check my
email and browse the web from any place that I can with a wireless
laptop. I've been thinking about buying a laptop just for that purpose,
so getting the iPhone fits both bills.
When I first saw the iPhone at MacWorld when Jobs introduced it, I felt
that I didn't need it--I wasn't planning to get a laptop then--and
although I admired it, I had no intention of buying one.
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| Michelle Steiner 2007-06-26, 4:33 am |
| In article <5ebgjkF380no4U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Nar, it actually is that stupid. Look at its posting history.
> http://groups.google.com/groups? as...r />
a@b.com%3E
That history meets the definition of being a disinformation agent.
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| Rod Speed 2007-06-26, 4:33 am |
| Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
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No it doesnt.
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| Rod Speed 2007-06-26, 4:33 am |
| Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
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> I've been a Verizon Wireless customer for nine years (the first
> year or two, it was still GTE Mobilenet where I lived at the time),
> and if Verizon weren't so anal about letting me replace a damaged
> phone at a reasonable price, I would have bought another phone
> from them. But they want me to pay full price, which comes to
> almost what an iPhone costs.
There's plenty of other alternatives for a hell of a lot less than an iphone.
> Even so, the deal maker for me about the iPhone, since I need
> to buy an new phone anyway, is that it can do 802.11g (and b),
There's plenty of phones that can do that too.
> so I can check my email and browse the web
> from any place that I can with a wireless laptop.
Pity the iphone has no keyboard.
> I've been thinking about buying a laptop just for
> that purpose, so getting the iPhone fits both bills.
No it doesnt on the keyboard alone.
> When I first saw the iPhone at MacWorld when Jobs introduced
> it, I felt that I didn't need it--I wasn't planning to get a laptop
> then--and although I admired it, I had no intention of buying one.
Bet you dont like it when replying to email.
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| John McWilliams 2007-06-26, 4:33 am |
| Rod Speed wrote:
> none <a@b.com> wrote
>
Can't you tell you've been fished up the wazoo??
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| Rod Speed 2007-06-26, 4:33 am |
| John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
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Fantasy, look at its posting history.
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| "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> How odd that AT&T's market cap leave's Apples for dead, and always has too.
apple is now about 50% the value of ATT, and 93% of that value has been
erned in the last 10 years, so by default, Apple will be more valuable
than ATT in about 12 years. There is no way around it, ATT better shape
up or they will lose.
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| Michelle Steiner 2007-06-26, 4:33 am |
| In article <a-C4AD6A.23541825062007@mpls-nnrp-02.inet.qwest.net>,
none <a@b.com> wrote:
>
> apple is now about 50% the value of ATT, and 93% of that value has
> been erned in the last 10 years, so by default, Apple will be more
> valuable than ATT in about 12 years. There is no way around it, ATT
> better shape up or they will lose.
You are a moron.
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| Michelle Steiner 2007-06-26, 4:33 am |
| In article <5ebinsF37iekkU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> There's plenty of other alternatives for a hell of a lot less than an
> iphone.
None that can do everything that the iPhone can.
>
> There's plenty of phones that can do that too.
Like what?
>
> Pity the iphone has no keyboard.
Sure it does; it's a touch-screen keyboard.
>
> No it doesnt on the keyboard alone.
If you're too clumsy to use a touch-screen keyboard, that doesn't mean
that I am.
>
> Bet you dont like it when replying to email.
What do you want to bet? It will be a hell of a lot better than
pressing the "2" key three times to type the letter "c", for instance.
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| Michelle Steiner 2007-06-26, 4:33 am |
| In article <5ebig9F376vufU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
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> No it doesnt.
OK, so you don't know what a disinformation agent is.
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| Rod Speed 2007-06-26, 4:33 am |
| Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
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Corse I do.
Most of its posts are nothing like that.
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| Rod Speed 2007-06-26, 4:33 am |
| none <a@b.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
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> apple is now about 50% the value of ATT,
Like I said, AT&T's market cap leaves Apple's for dead, and always has too.
> and 93% of that value has been erned in the last 10 years,
When it had absolutely NOTHING to do with Apple. Funny that.
> so by default, Apple will be more valuable than ATT in about 12 years.
Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasys.
> There is no way around it, ATT better shape up or they will lose.
Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasys.
And it took a hell of a long time before Apple managed to shape up, too.
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| Rod Speed 2007-06-26, 4:33 am |
| Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
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> Like what?
Just about all the high end phones can do that.
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> Sure it does; it's a touch-screen keyboard.
Thats a hopeless way to do email.
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> If you're too clumsy to use a touch-screen keyboard,
No I'm not, my GPS has one. You dont enter much
text so its viable for that. It isnt for email tho.
> that doesn't mean that I am.
Does mean that its XXXXed for email compared with a small laptop.
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> What do you want to bet? It will be a hell of a lot better than
> pressing the "2" key three times to type the letter "c", for instance.
Yes, but a small laptop with a real keyboard leaves it for dead for email.
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| Michelle Steiner 2007-06-26, 4:33 am |
| In article <5ebqtpF36d4pjU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
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> Wrong.
Name some.
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> Just about all the high end phones can do that.
Name some.
>
> Thats a hopeless way to do email.
You speak from experience?
>
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> No I'm not, my GPS has one. You dont enter much text so its viable
> for that. It isnt for email tho.
Your GPS isn't optimized for that.
>
> Does mean that its XXXXed for email compared with a small laptop.
I see; to you, everything is black or white--it's XXXXed or not XXXXed.
You carry your laptop; I don't want to be burdened with one--it doesn't
fit in my purse.
>
> Yes, but a small laptop with a real keyboard leaves it for dead for
> email.
As I said, you carry a laptop if you want; I'd rather not have that
burden.
Curious how you suddenly switched from comparing the iPhone to other
cell phones to comparing it to laptops. Typical red-herring tactic when
one can't defend one's position.
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| Michelle Steiner 2007-06-26, 4:33 am |
| In article <5ebqgjF37f7lnU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
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Not that you've demonstrated.
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| Rod Speed 2007-06-26, 4:33 am |
| Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <5ebqgjF37f7lnU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Not that you've demonstrated.
I just gave you the demonstration, you just deleted that from the quoting.
Flagrantly dishonest.
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| Rod Speed 2007-06-26, 4:33 am |
| Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
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The Nokia N series.
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The Nokia N series.
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> You speak from experience?
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> Your GPS isn't optimized for that.
Wrong again. Its actually much better optimised for entering
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with a GPS you only have to enter a very small number of letters
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> I see;
No you dont.
> to you, everything is black or white--it's XXXXed or not XXXXed.
Wrong again.
> You carry your laptop; I don't want to be
> burdened with one--it doesn't fit in my purse.
Then you get to wear the crudity of a touch screen keyboard
which even you wont be using for email much.
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> As I said, you carry a laptop if you want; I'd rather not have that burden.
As I said, even you wont be emailing much.
> Curious how you suddenly switched from comparing the
> iPhone to other cell phones to comparing it to laptops.
No I didnt. YOU brought up the laptop you were considering before the iphone showed up.
> Typical red-herring tactic when one can't defend one's position.
Never ever could bullshit and lie its way out of a wet paper bag.
Just another utterly mindless Apple loving bigot.
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| Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <5ebqtpF36d4pjU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
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> Name some.
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> Name some.
The only feature of the iPhone that no other devices match is the
ability to play DRM protected downloads from iTunes. On other devices
you'd have to remove the iTunes DRM which is beyond the ability of many
users.
For the user that wants what is essentially a web pad, world phone, and
iPod combined, and that doesn't care about doing lots of e-mail or
running PDA applications the iPhone is fine.
You can use "http://phonescoop.com" to search for phones with 802.11,
and there are a few with 802.11g.
One advantage of the iPhone is the large amount of integrated memory.
With the competing phones, you'd have to use a MicroSD card to equal the
memory, and you can't even buy an 8GB MicroSD card yet (due next year).
One of the reasons some people are down on the iPhone is that they are
comparing it to PDA type devices such as the Blackberry or Treo, which
are more of a PDA plus a phone, and which can run a huge number of
applications natively (not just web based apps). The iPhone is not a
PDA, it's more of an entertainment device plus a phone plus a web
browser. It's actually not a bad deal for a mini-web pad for use
802.11b/g, the phone function and music player functions notwithstanding.
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| In article <5ebf0qF3889a5U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
why so bitter Rod? you know much of what i'm saying is true, you just
don't want to accept it... yet.
you will, the writing is now on the wall.
| |
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| In article <5ebqmrF36c90tU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasys.
nope, i only speak the truth:
here is a direct quote from a ATT Wireless Guy.
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Well, speaking as one who once worked for ATT Wireless, I'm wondering
how they'll pull it off. If Apple stepped in to handle it, then I'm sure
it will be fine. If they left it up to the clowns I used to deal with at
ATT, then turning on millions of new accounts all at once will be a hell
of a good trick.
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the rumor is Apple is going to activate the iPhone through iTunes!
brilliant! and something ATT has no ability to do, they don't have the
resources to pull something like that off, Apple does.
http://digg.com/apple/ Apple_s_Plan... />
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| Justin 2007-06-26, 12:33 pm |
| none wrote on [Tue, 26 Jun 2007 09:06:15 - 0600]:
> In article <5ebqmrF36c90tU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> nope, i only speak the truth:
>
> here is a direct quote from a ATT Wireless Guy.
>
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>
> Well, speaking as one who once worked for ATT Wireless, I'm wondering
> how they'll pull it off. If Apple stepped in to handle it, then I'm sure
> it will be fine. If they left it up to the clowns I used to deal with at
> ATT, then turning on millions of new accounts all at once will be a hell
> of a good trick.
I wonder how that will be, since ATT Wireless hasn't been around for
years now. The ATT you are talking about is a different company.
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|
| In article <5ealssF35sm71U1@mid.individual.net>, "Tinman" <ask@for.it>
wrote:
> "none" wrote:
>
> Holy crap, you people really do exist. (Up till now I thought that
> delusional Mac zealotry was essentially a myth.)
"None" (AKA "Oxford" and "Bill Gates") frequently gets called out by
other Mac users in CSMA for saying such blatantly absurd things. I
sometimes suspect he's actually a Windows fan trying to discredit Mac
users.
--
"That's George Washington, the first president, of course. The interesting thing
about him is that I read three--three or four books about him last year. Isn't
that interesting?"
- George W. Bush to reporter Kai Diekmann, May 5, 2006
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| thepixelfreak 2007-06-26, 3:33 pm |
| On 2007-06-24 18:12:56 -0700, justincase23@gmail.com (Justin) said:
> This is WAY cool.
>
> http://www.apple.com/iphone/usingiphone/guidedtour.html
I just pray it has as a ringtone the standard 'bring bring' of a real
phone. Can't stand all those silly ringtones. A phone should sound like
a phone.
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thepixelfreak
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| Oxford 2007-06-26, 3:33 pm |
| thepixelfreak <not@dot.com> wrote:
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> I just pray it has as a ringtone the standard 'bring bring' of a real
> phone. Can't stand all those silly ringtones. A phone should sound like
> a phone.
watch the above link, it fully shows the various 15 or so included ring
tones, and how you can add your own.
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| Oxford 2007-06-26, 3:33 pm |
| ZnU <znu@fake.invalid> wrote:
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> "None" (AKA "Oxford" and "Bill Gates") frequently gets called out by
> other Mac users in CSMA for saying such blatantly absurd things. I
> sometimes suspect he's actually a Windows fan trying to discredit Mac
> users.
Actually I'm right on target, but it takes awhile for many of my
comments to catch up with the "rest of them", so they get confused and
cry foul, but I just laugh.
No serious Mac user questions what I say, they simply say "hum"...
that's damn interesting. I'm the longest Mac using, Mac user here, by a
long shot, so my comments are based on full reality of the Apple/Mac
market and how Apple is vastly changing all markets it enters.
If you can't stand facts, then don't read my posts.
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| Bill Gates 2007-06-26, 3:33 pm |
| Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> Well, I'm what Windroids call a "maccie" (or however they spell it) and
> plan to buy an iPhone on Friday, but I think this guy is off his rocker.
> no wonder he hides behind an alias.
At least I don't hide behind my god given, sexual equipment. Mr. Steiner.
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| Rod Speed 2007-06-26, 3:33 pm |
| none <a@b.com> wrote
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
> why so bitter Rod?
Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasys, fanchild.
> you know much of what i'm saying is true,
Not a single shred is except that there is a fella called Jobs and a phone called an iphone.
> you just don't want to accept it... yet.
> you will, the writing is now on the wall.
Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasys, fanchild.
Jobs gets no say what so ever on who runs AT&T, you watch.
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| John McWilliams 2007-06-26, 3:33 pm |
| Bill Gates wrote:
> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>
>
> At least I don't hide behind my god given, sexual equipment. Mr. Steiner.
fu set
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|
| "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> There's plenty of other alternatives for a hell of a lot less than an iphone.
Like what? I want a smartphone with 8 hours of talk time. I want a FULL
browser with a touch screen, I want full syncing with my Mac or PC, I
want 802.11g, I want a 3.5 inch high resolution screen, want to watch
movies and YouTube videos. I want to activate it from my living room
couch. Now what phone are you saying does all of this?
http://seekingalpha.com/wp-content/...honecompare.png
Come on Ron, tell us the answer or shut the XXXX up.
>
> There's plenty of phones that can do that too.
Like what? Which phone can give me unlimited surfing, using a REAL
browser via 802.11 for $59.
>
> Pity the iphone has no keyboard.
Ah, but they said the same thing about the Mouse, now EVERYONE uses the
Mouse. You clearly don't understand what Apple has just done.
Multi-Touch changes all the rules for touch screens. It's the ONLY one
that will work on cell phones for 17 years. Apple has far more
engineering resources than any Cell Company, they use it. Keyboards on
smartphones are obsolete starting at 6:01pm on friday.
>
> No it doesnt on the keyboard alone.
Ah, but you haven't used it... I have. It works remarkably well. You'll
love it!
>
> Bet you dont like it when replying to email.
It was a heck of a lot faster than typing on tiny keys. I like big keys
so i know what I'm typing.
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|
| "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Just about all the high end phones can do that.
An example Ron?
You are blowing hot air since you are SCARED of the iPhone, that's all.
What model meets or beats the iPhone?
Waiting......
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| Kurt Ullman 2007-06-26, 3:33 pm |
| In article <a-BDCA73.13030726062007@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net>,
none <a@b.com> wrote:
>
> It was a heck of a lot faster than typing on tiny keys. I like big keys
> so i know what I'm typing.
Or being able to use your entire hand. Google "Blackberry thumb".
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|
| "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasys,
> fanchild.
>
> Jobs gets no say what so ever on who runs AT&T, you watch.
ah, but whitacre was pushed out 2 weeks before the biggest phone launch
in AT&T's history? ... come on, i know you don't have a lot of knowledge
about how apple operates, but that event has "steve jobs" written all
over it.
he is pulling the strings of AT&T on this one FOR SURE.
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| MuahMan 2007-06-26, 3:33 pm |
|
"TheLetterK" <none@none.net> wrote in message
news:kTZfi.7146$n9.2887@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
> Randall Ainsworth wrote:
>
> I haven't had any trouble with Cingular yet, other than their terrible
> pricing for data plans.
Oh boy here comes the lies. Cingular is sooooooooooooooooo famous
nationwide for having HORRIBLE, just HORRIBLE reception. Every single person
I know that has gone with Cingular has left them almost immediately due to
poor reception and dropped calls. Mysteriously, the Mactards will have NONE
of these issues.
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| Rod Speed 2007-06-26, 3:33 pm |
| none <a@b.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
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> ah, but whitacre was pushed out
No he wasnt, he retired after 44 years with AT&T and
its predecessors and after 17 years of running AT&T.
> 2 weeks before the biggest phone launch in AT&T's history? ...
And his replacement is a clone of whitacre, who has also
been in AT&T for many years, just not at retirement age.
> come on, i know you don't have a lot of knowledge about how apple operates,
That's AT&T, not Apple.
> but that event has "steve jobs" written all over it.
Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasys, fanchild.
> he is pulling the strings of AT&T on this one FOR SURE.
Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasys, fanchild.
Jobs gets no say what so ever on who runs AT&T, ever.
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| Rod Speed 2007-06-26, 3:33 pm |
| none <a@b.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
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> An example Ron?
The Nokia N series.
> You are blowing hot air
Nope, I leave that to you, fanchild.
> since you are SCARED of the iPhone, that's all.
I couldnt give a flying red XXXX if it does take off as well as the ipod did, fanchild.
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| Michelle Steiner 2007-06-26, 10:33 pm |
| In article
<colalovesmacs-DDA76E.12533826062007@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net>,
Oxford <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote:
> No serious Mac user questions what I say, they simply say "hum"...
> that's damn interesting. I'm the longest Mac using, Mac user here, by
> a long shot,
I doubt that.
> so my comments are based on full reality of the Apple/Mac market and
> how Apple is vastly changing all markets it enters.
That has nothing to do with how long you have been using a Mac. You are
spouting more nonsense than the anti-Mac jihadists are.
--
Support the troops: Bring them home ASAP.
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| Michelle Steiner 2007-06-26, 10:33 pm |
| In article < 4680dfe8$0$27162$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> The only feature of the iPhone that no other devices match is the
> ability to play DRM protected downloads from iTunes. On other devices
> you'd have to remove the iTunes DRM which is beyond the ability of
> many users.
Stop evading; answer the question.
> You can use "http://phonescoop.com" to search for phones with 802.11,
> and there are a few with 802.11g.
I searched there for phones that have the following characteristics that
the iPhone has:
Display resolution greater than QVGA
Bluetooth
WiFi
It came up with no phones
If I eliminated the greater-than-QVGA, it showed four phones, all of
which are made by HTC. Eliminating the camera requirement didn't change
the results.
--
Support the troops: Bring them home ASAP.
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| Michelle Steiner 2007-06-26, 10:33 pm |
| In article <michelle-14CF1B.14422926062007@news.east.cox.net>,
Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> I searched there for phones that have the following characteristics that
> the iPhone has:
> Display resolution greater than QVGA
> Bluetooth
> WiFi
>
> It came up with no phones
> If I eliminated the greater-than-QVGA, it showed four phones, all of
> which are made by HTC. Eliminating the camera requirement didn't change
> the results.
I pressed the Post button too soon. There was one other criterion to
get only those four results: a full keyboard. Curiously, that site
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| Rod Speed 2007-06-26, 10:33 pm |
| Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote
> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote
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> Stop evading;
He isnt evading, he's rubbing your nose in that fact.
> answer the question.
I already did, no need for him to name some too.
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> I searched there for phones that have the following characteristics
> that the iPhone has:
> Display resolution greater than QVGA
> Bluetooth
> WiFi
> It came up with no phones
Usual flagrantly dishonest slithering off from what you originally asked.
The Nokia N series does both bluetooth and WiFi fine.
> If I eliminated the greater-than-QVGA, it showed
> four phones, all of which are made by HTC.
Just goes to show how XXXXed that system is then doesnt it ?
> Eliminating the camera requirement didn't change the results.
The Nokia N series does that stuff fine, and it aint alone.
| |
|
| In article <5ediueF37ktq4U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote
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>
> The Nokia N series does that stuff fine, and it aint alone.
Which one, specifically? Nokia appears to have about a dozen N-series
models.
Incidentally, this kind of complexity in the competition's product
line-ups will probably also benefit Apple. It has with the iPod.
Compare http://www.creative.com/products/we...sp?category=213
vs. http://www.apple.com/ipod/ipod.html
and
http://www.nseries.com/index. html#...,gate
way
vs. http://www.apple.com/iphone/
Heh. Apple ever has simpler URLs....
--
"That's George Washington, the first president, of course. The interesting thing
about him is that I read three--three or four books about him last year. Isn't
that interesting?"
- George W. Bush to reporter Kai Diekmann, May 5, 2006
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| Rod Speed 2007-06-26, 10:33 pm |
| ZnU <znu@fake.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
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> Which one, specifically?
The N95, N80, N800, N70, E65.
> Nokia appears to have about a dozen N-series models.
Yep.
> Incidentally, this kind of complexity in the competition's
> product line-ups will probably also benefit Apple.
Nope.
> It has with the iPod.
Phones arent media players.
> Compare http://www.creative.com/products/we...sp?category=213
> vs. http://www.apple.com/ipod/ipod.html
> and
> http://www.nseries.com/index. html#...,gate
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> vs. http://www.apple.com/iphone/
> Heh. Apple ever has simpler URLs....
Fat lot of good that wll do it.
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|
| In article <5edlucF38160jU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> ZnU <znu@fake.invalid> wrote
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> The N95, N80, N800, N70, E65.
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> Nope.
Tell that to someone who has never wasted hours trying to find the right
cell phone to buy.
>
> Phones arent media players.
And the cell phone market works completely differently from the media
player market because...?
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--
"That's George Washington, the first president, of course. The interesting thing
about him is that I read three--three or four books about him last year. Isn't
that interesting?"
- George W. Bush to reporter Kai Diekmann, May 5, 2006
| |
|
| "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> No he wasnt, he retired after 44 years with AT&T and
> its predecessors and after 17 years of running AT&T.
retired at "64", that's not logical.
>
> And his replacement is a clone of whitacre, who has also
> been in AT&T for many years, just not at retirement age.
but he is more articulate, whitacre doomed himself at MacWorld in
january, have you seen his presentation? if not, no WONDER why you don't
understand what is going on.
Just watch the iPhone portion...
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/mwsf07/
>
> That's AT&T, not Apple.
???? But Apple now calls ATT's wireless shots, that's a given.
>
> Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasys,
> fanchild.
I only use facts, you should try it sometime.
>
> Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasys,
> fanchild.
>
> Jobs gets no say what so ever on who runs AT&T, ever.
You're funny, and clearly do not understand how the business world works.
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|
| \"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
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> The Nokia N series.
VERY expensive, $900 - super heavy, poor battery life, no real web
browser, no iPod ability, no visual voice mail, no maps, proprietary
headphone jack, poor talk time, tiny 2.1 inch screen, poor quality
screen, should i continue.
Nokia is obsolete after Friday, they just don't have the technical
underpinnings to compete in the cell market.
>
> Nope, I leave that to you, fanchild.
>
>
> I couldnt give a flying red XXXX if it does take off as well as the ipod did,
> fanchild.
Fine, they why all the negative comments towards me? I'm telling
everyone the truth, and you are fighting it. You have issues with better
products, that's the real reason.
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| Rod Speed 2007-06-26, 10:33 pm |
| none <a@b.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
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> retired at "64",
Yep.
> that's not logical.
Corse it is, plenty retire earlier than that too.
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> but he is more articulate,
Still a clone of whiracre who's been in AT&T for years and years.
> whitacre doomed himself at MacWorld in january,
No one in AT&T give a flying red XXXX about MacWorld, child.
> have you seen his presentation?
Yep. While you may not approve, his style kept him top banana of
AT&T for 17 years. Leaves YOUR pathetic record for dead, child.
> if not, no WONDER why you don't understand what is going on.
Everyone understands what's going on, you have never ever had
a XXXXing clue and EVERYONE who has actually commented on
your mindlessly silly claims has rubbed your silly little nose in that.
> Just watch the iPhone portion...
> http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/mwsf07/
Completely irrelevant to his retirement.
While you may not approve, his style kept him top banana of
AT&T for 17 years. Leaves YOUR pathetic record for dead, child.
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> ???? But Apple now calls ATT's wireless shots,
No it doesnt.
> that's a given.
Thats just another of your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant fantasys, actually.
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> I only use facts,
You wouldnt know what a fact was if it bit you on your lard arse, child.
So stupid that you didnt even realise that AT&T's market
cap leaves Apple's for dead, and always has, and that
Jobs gets no say what so ever on who runs AT&T, ever.
> you should try it sometime.
Been doing that since before you were even born thanks, child.
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> You're funny,
You're pathetic.
> and clearly do not understand how the business world works.
Forbes and everyone else who has commented on your mindless silly shit too eh ?
Yeah, right.
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| Rod Speed 2007-06-26, 10:33 pm |
| ZnU <znu@fake.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
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> Tell that to someone who has never wasted
> hours trying to find theright cell phone to buy.
Dont need to, only fools would buy a particular phone
because there is no choice from that company.
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> And the cell phone market works completely differently
> from the media player market because...?
Because almost everyone already has a cellphone and
its unlikely to be the only cellphone they have ever had.
Nothing like the situation when the ipod first showed up.
With cellphones that are exclusive to one network, the coverage
of that network is crucial to whether you even consider that
phone. Nothing like that when the ipod first showed up.
When you have a cellphone that is exclusive to just
one network and you have a 2 year contract to get it,
you might just consider what its going to cost you to
use that phone for those 2 years. Nothing like that when
the ipod first showed up because you could always
dump your CD collection into the ipod if you wanted to.
With cellphones, what matters is how well they work with
the services you plan to use on them, particularly other than
phone calls and SMSs. Nothing like that with media players.
Etc etc etc.
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| Rod Speed 2007-06-26, 10:33 pm |
| none <a@b.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
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> VERY expensive, $900
Pig ignorant lie.
> - super heavy,
Pig ignorant lie.
> poor battery life,
Pig ignorant lie.
> no real web browser,
Pig ignorant lie.
> no iPod ability,
Pig ignorant lie.
> no visual voice mail,
Pig ignorant lie.
> no maps,
Pig ignorant lie.
> proprietary headphone jack,
Pig ignorant lie. Anyone with a clue uses bluetooth.
> poor talk time,
Pig ignorant lie.
> tiny 2.1 inch screen,
Pig ignorant lie.
> poor quality screen,
Pig ignorant lie.
> should i continue.
Nope, you've spewed far more than enough pig ignorant lies, child.
> Nokia is obsolete after Friday,
Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland, child.
> they just don't have the technical underpinnings to compete in the cell market.
Is that right ?
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> Fine, they why all the negative comments towards me?
Because you have never ever had a XXXXing clue about anything at all, child.
> I'm telling everyone the truth,
You're lying, actually.
> and you are fighting it.
Nope, just pointing out what a silly little pig ignorant child you are.
So is EVERY SINGLE INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS COMMENTED ON YOUR SHIT TOO.
Funny that.
> You have issues with better products, that's the real reason.
Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland, child.
No get down on your knees in front of that shrine to Jobs so we can boot you in the arse, yet again.
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|
| In article <5edskhF37j647U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> ZnU <znu@fake.invalid> wrote
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> its unlikely to be the only cellphone they have ever had.
> Nothing like the situation when the ipod fir | | |