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| Radium 2007-07-20, 10:33 pm |
| On Jul 19, 12:06 am, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote in
http://groups.google.com/group/sci....9e614fe3?hl=en&
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> Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> hath wroth:
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> Very roughly, the current 8Kbits/sec encoding rate,
> compared to your 44Kbit/sec, will only handle about 1/5th the number
> of users.
Who said anything about 44Kbit/sec?
The bit-rate of my WMA CBR is 20Kbit/sec or less.
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> The encoding resolution is not changed by compression. If you encode
> something with 16 bit resolution, and compress it, you still have 16
> bit data coming out. It's the data rate or thruput that changes with
> compression.
Okay.
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> Not possible. If the rate in and rate out are identical, then there's
> no compression happening.
Yes it is possible and it is compression. The uncompressed audio is a
monaural linear PCM at 44.1-KHz-sample-rate with a 16-bit-resolution
-- this audio has a bit-rate of 705.6 kbps. The compressed audio is a
monaural CBR WMA at 44.1-KHz-sample-rate with a bit-rate of 20 kbps or
less.
Where/when is there any change in sample-rate?????????
There is definitely a change in bit-rate. However, that is totally
different from the sample-rate. Totally.
BIT-rate and SAMPLE-rate are two completely different things.
In linear PCM audio:
BIT-rate = SAMPLE-rate X bit-resolution X number of channels
Stereo has two channels. Mono has one channel.
44,100 Hz X 16-bit X 1 channel = 705,600 bps
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| In article <1184978126.894452.166610@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Radium <glucegen1@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 19, 12:06 am, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote in
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci....9c79e614fe3?hl=
> en&
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I would do what Apple is doing right now. Use their power to force the
phone companies to offer (finally) great phones with simple plans that
their employees can't screw up or misinform customers about.
I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.
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| Brenda Ann 2007-07-21, 4:33 am |
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"Kurt" <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in message
news:labolide-AEBDD9.20275920072007@news.giganews.com...
> I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.
You only want them to work in a few dozen exchanges, and use a codec that
only other phones of that brand use, so you can't talk to anyone else but
other customers of that company (sort of like Sprint's "Friends and Family"
plan). ?
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| Madhav \DogFocker\ Acharya 2007-07-21, 10:33 am |
| On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:58:53 +0900, Brenda Ann wrote:
> "Kurt" <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in message
> news:labolide-AEBDD9.20275920072007@news.giganews.com...
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> You only want them to work in a few dozen exchanges, and use a codec that
> only other phones of that brand use, so you can't talk to anyone else but
> other customers of that company (sort of like Sprint's "Friends and Family"
> plan). ?
Thx.
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| Don Bowey 2007-07-21, 10:33 am |
| On 7/21/07 1:58 AM, in article
CpWdnUYtnrpPVzzbnZ2d
nUVZ_o-mnZ2d@giganews.com, "Brenda Ann"
<brendad@shinbiro.com> wrote:
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> "Kurt" <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in message
> news:labolide-AEBDD9.20275920072007@news.giganews.com...
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> You only want them to work in a few dozen exchanges, and use a codec that
> only other phones of that brand use, so you can't talk to anyone else but
> other customers of that company (sort of like Sprint's "Friends and Family"
> plan). ?
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I wouldn't want facts to get in the way of your rant, but you really seem to
be misinformed or don't care for the facts.
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| Don Bowey 2007-07-21, 10:33 am |
| On 7/20/07 8:27 PM, in article
labolide-AEBDD9.20275920072007@news.giganews.com, "Kurt"
<labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:
> In article <1184978126.894452.166610@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> Radium <glucegen1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
http://groups.google.com/group/sci....d9c79e614fe3?hl>>
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> I would do what Apple is doing right now. Use their power to force the
> phone companies to offer (finally) great phones with simple plans that
> their employees can't screw up or misinform customers about.
Apple can't and isn't forcing "the phone companies" to do anything. You're
an idiot.
>
> I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.
You have a monthly payment plan for minutes of use of your Mac? Is this
something they forced you to buy?
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| In article <C2C76B2D. 70C11%dbowey@comcast
.net>,
Don Bowey <dbowey@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 7/20/07 8:27 PM, in article
> labolide-AEBDD9.20275920072007@news.giganews.com, "Kurt"
> <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:
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> http://groups.google.com/group/sci....d9c79e614fe3?hl>
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> Apple can't and isn't forcing "the phone companies" to do anything. You're
> an idiot.
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> You have a monthly payment plan for minutes of use of your Mac? Is this
> something they forced you to buy?
You miss my point. Why do you think the iPhone is so successful?
Why the iPod?
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| Don Bowey 2007-07-21, 12:33 pm |
| On 7/21/07 9:28 AM, in article
labolide-FDDD0E.09284621072007@news.giganews.com, "Kurt"
<labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:
> In article <C2C76B2D. 70C11%dbowey@comcast
.net>,
> Don Bowey <dbowey@comcast.net> wrote:
>
http://groups.google.com/group/sci....d9c79e614fe3?hl>>[color=darkred]
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> You miss my point. Why do you think the iPhone is so successful?
> Why the iPod?
Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success is due to people
wanting a very cool instrument with good features.
The iPod's success is from Apple having a top-notch product line with good
features, and cool looks. And people should not overlook, but often do,
iTunes. It is iTunes that makes the iPod easy to use, giving it easy
access to their CD and MP3 music regardless of where they buy it. People
who don't want an iPod can still use the free iTunes to good advantage.
Apple doesn't make anyone do anything.
So, what was your point?
Don
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| Kurt Ullman 2007-07-21, 3:33 pm |
| In article <C2C78F75. 70C91%dbowey@comcast
.net>,
Don Bowey <dbowey@comcast.net> wrote:
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> Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success is due to people
> wanting a very cool instrument with good features.
Which is pretty much the definition of putting out a product that the
public wants. But, yet, I seem to have feelings that you did not mean
this as a positive.
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| Don Bowey 2007-07-21, 3:33 pm |
| On 7/21/07 11:00 AM, in article
kurtullman-A7FC30. 14000021072007@custo
mer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net.mx,
"Kurt Ullman" <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <C2C78F75. 70C91%dbowey@comcast
.net>,
> Don Bowey <dbowey@comcast.net> wrote:
>
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> Which is pretty much the definition of putting out a product that the
> public wants. But, yet, I seem to have feelings that you did not mean
> this as a positive.
You are reading in something I did not say.
The iPhone is off to a great start, but it has no track record at this time.
I anticipate that it will be very successful, but we can only guess at it
now. From an investor point-of-view, I think the monthly kickback from AT&T
that Apple negotiated, is good. From a personal POV I think it sucks, and
will likely antagonize Apple supporters.
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| On Jul 21, 11:14 am, Don Bowey <dbo...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 7/21/07 11:00 AM, in article
> kurtullman-A7FC30.14000021072...@customer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net.mx,
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> "Kurt Ullman" <kurtull...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> The iPhone is off to a great start, but it has no track record at this time.
> I anticipate that it will be very successful, but we can only guess at it
> now. From an investor point-of-view, I think the monthly kickback from AT&T
> that Apple negotiated, is good. From a personal POV I think it sucks, and
> will likely antagonize Apple supporters.
IPhone Buyers and Users -and- Apple Supporters
may not be one and the same. ~ RHF
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| On Jul 21, 10:24 am, Don Bowey <dbo...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 7/21/07 9:28 AM, in article
> labolide-FDDD0E.09284621072...@news.giganews.com, "Kurt"
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> <labol...@spacegmail.com> wrote:
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> Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success is due to people
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Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success {?}
is due to people wanting {Gotto Have the Latest} a very cool
instrument {Newest Bells and Whistles} with good features
{of Questionable Utlity}.
-RANT-
While Senior Citzens like myself with Tired Old Eyes
and Big Old Fingers just want a basic CellPhone that
we can use without our Glasses like the "JitterBug" .
http://www.firststreetonline.com/pr...678&PID=1583978
Why doesn't AT&T, Sprint, Nextel, T-Mobile, Verizon, etc
offer a CellPhone designed for Senior Citizens and the
Visually Limited-Impaired like the "JitterBug" ?
Here is where the ADA Laws should apply and force
the Cellphone providers to design and market these
Cellphone to Seniors with needs. -end-rant- ~ RHF
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> The iPod's success is from Apple having a top-notch product line with good
> features, and cool looks. And people should not overlook, but often do,
> iTunes. It is iTunes that makes the iPod easy to use, giving it easy
> access to their CD and MP3 music regardless of where they buy it. People
> who don't want an iPod can still use the free iTunes to good advantage.
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> Apple doesn't make anyone do anything.
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| Don Bowey 2007-07-21, 3:33 pm |
| On 7/21/07 12:19 PM, in article
1185045590.471407.165270@g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com, "RHF"
<rhf-newsgroups@pacbell.net> wrote:
(snip)
> Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success {?}
> is due to people wanting {Gotto Have the Latest} a very cool
> instrument {Newest Bells and Whistles} with good features
> {of Questionable Utlity}.
>
> -RANT-
> While Senior Citzens like myself with Tired Old Eyes
> and Big Old Fingers just want a basic CellPhone that
> we can use without our Glasses like the "JitterBug" .
>
http://www.firststreetonline.com/pr...6678&PID=158397
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That's as ugly as they get.....
> Why doesn't AT&T, Sprint, Nextel, T-Mobile, Verizon, etc
> offer a CellPhone designed for Senior Citizens and the
> Visually Limited-Impaired like the "JitterBug" ?
> Here is where the ADA Laws should apply and force
> the Cellphone providers to design and market these
> Cellphone to Seniors with needs. -end-rant- ~ RHF
(snip)
Lots of reasons..... Here's a couple:
* We senior citizens aren't perceived as being a large enough market.
* We aren't a cohesive group of a same mind. I'm one, but I'd have an
iPhone in a minute just cause it is cool, if it weren't for the ridiculous
rate structures.
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| herbert.don@gmail.com 2007-07-21, 3:33 pm |
| Tell us more about your cell phone plan!
On Jul 21, 11:14 am, Don Bowey <dbo...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 7/21/07 11:00 AM, in article
> kurtullman-A7FC30.14000021072...@customer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net.mx,
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> "Kurt Ullman" <kurtull...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> You are reading in something I did not say.
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> The iPhone is off to a great start, but it has no track record at this time.
> I anticipate that it will be very successful, but we can only guess at it
> now. From an investor point-of-view, I think the monthly kickback from AT&T
> that Apple negotiated, is good. From a personal POV I think it sucks, and
> will likely antagonize Apple supporters.
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| On Jul 21, 12:19 pm, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Jul 21, 10:24 am, Don Bowey <dbo...@comcast.net> wrote:
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> {of Questionable Utlity}.
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> -RANT-
> While Senior Citzens like myself with Tired Old Eyes
> and Big Old Fingers just want a basic CellPhone that
> we can use without our Glasses like the "JitterBug" .http://www.firststreetonline.com/pr...motion=86678...
> Why doesn't AT&T, Sprint, Nextel, T-Mobile, Verizon, etc
> offer a CellPhone designed for Senior Citizens and the
> Visually Limited-Impaired like the "JitterBug" ?
> Here is where the ADA Laws should apply and force
> the Cellphone providers to design and market these
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- S N I P -
RADIUM,
The please keep 'your' OT crap! OFF of Rec.Radio.Shortwave
* The Theard Goes Where The Thread Goes
* That Is The Nature Of NewsGroups
- I had to start a new thread because some
- jerks decided to post irrelevant nonsense.
Relevance in in the Mind of the Poster.
Right now since the 'topic' is CellPhones - I makes me wonder
what kind of Cellphone and Service Provider others here may
have . . .
OK starting with me :
I have a Motorla RAZR V3 via AT&T {Cingular} Wireless
and I do not want any changes to the Cellphone
Broadcasting System [.]
Keep Posting Your Scientific and Cellphone BS to
Rec.Radio.Shortwave and you will see replying to
it with what ever comes into my mind and inviting
others hear to do the same.
However, leave Rec.Radio.Shortwave "Off" your
Cross-Posting List and you won't have to deal
with me. Now woldn't that be nice.
Say Cuhulin do you have a CellPhone ?
David I know you must have a Cellphone.
Bet-Ya Telamon has a Cellphone.
Wondering -if- DX Ace has a Cellphone ?
Burr way over in the PI - you got a Cellphone over there ?
Hey Back At You "Radium" Wondering . . .
You Gotta Cellphone and who is your Service Provider ?
IF YOU GOT A CELLPHONE LET RADIUM HEAR ABOUT IT !
I B 'rhf' Listening to my Shortwave Radio
with my Cellphone near-by bye bye ~ RHF
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| Brenda Ann 2007-07-22, 4:33 am |
|
"Kurt" <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in message
news:labolide-89B489.20230021072007@news.giganews.com...
> In article <46A2C55E.913D0713@earthlink.net>,
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
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> Yes, for you, buy a phone with large numbers and voice only.
>
> I'm a lot older than you and the iPhone does it right for 90% of what
> people really want.
>
> Youth market fuels gimmicks. Ringtones reap untold millions.
>
Do people REALLY want something that is easily broken, lost or stolen that
would pretty much give away their entire life if it fell into the hands of
someone else? And hey, my iPaq does most of what the iPhone does. Besides,
sometimes I want to do more than one thing at a time. For that it takes more
than one device. Cute gimmick, yeah, and young people will buy any gimcrack
that comes out just to be "kewl". That doesn't make it worth what they're
paying for it.
As far as Apple being the be all and end all of gimmickry, I have a very
nice (and reliable) mp3/video player with a 60GB HDD in it that cost me far
less than a similar iPod, and I don't have to deal with proprietary files.
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| Don Bowey 2007-07-22, 4:33 am |
| On 7/21/07 8:24 PM, in article
labolide-5E65B6.20242121072007@news.giganews.com, "Kurt"
<labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:
> In article <C2C819E1. 70D66%dbowey@comcast
.net>,
> Don Bowey <dbowey@comcast.net> wrote:
(snip)
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> You really enjoy that MS interface?
It works trouble free and there isn't all that much difference between the
XP interface and many of the Mac interfaces. I can make the XP interface
appear about any way I wish. When I'm in a Word or Excel document, and many
other types, there isn't any interface difference between OSX and XP.
Do you have a specific point you wish to make?
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| Don Bowey 2007-07-22, 4:33 am |
| On 7/21/07 8:35 PM, in article
- aidnXqikI8STT_bnZ2dn
UVZ_r-vnZ2d@giganews.com, "Brenda Ann"
<brendad@shinbiro.com> wrote:
>
> "Kurt" <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in message
> news:labolide-89B489.20230021072007@news.giganews.com...
>
> Do people REALLY want something that is easily broken, lost or stolen that
> would pretty much give away their entire life if it fell into the hands of
> someone else? And hey, my iPaq does most of what the iPhone does. Besides,
> sometimes I want to do more than one thing at a time. For that it takes more
> than one device. Cute gimmick, yeah, and young people will buy any gimcrack
> that comes out just to be "kewl". That doesn't make it worth what they're
> paying for it.
>
> As far as Apple being the be all and end all of gimmickry, I have a very
> nice (and reliable) mp3/video player with a 60GB HDD in it that cost me far
> less than a similar iPod, and I don't have to deal with proprietary files.
>
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I have an original iPod and my wife has a nano, and we don't have to deal
with proprietary files either.
What's your point?
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| D Peter Maus 2007-07-22, 4:33 am |
| RHF wrote:
> On Jul 21, 5:14 pm, D Peter Maus <DPeterM...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> DPM - I would suspect that you are right most of my
> PC related problems have come from MicroSoft (MS)
> Software related issues. ~ RHF
>
> Didn't Wal*Mart offer some PC that had a Linux OS
> with some of there store brand Computer Systems
> for a while ? => http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
> http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/ 0...7
,00.htm
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Yeah, they did for awhile. And Lindows, IIRC. Even a basic machine to
which you could bring your own O/S.
They didn't sell well.
Truth is, that there are two things that play heavily against non-MS
systems, today. There is the FUD spread by MS itself. The shadow of
lawsuits against users of Linux, and other non-MS O/S's. The huge mass
of mis and disinformation about MS compatibility, and the refusal of
many network sysadmins to even consider non-MS product on their
networks. And the built in compatibility restraints that MS builds into
their code. Especially to drive upgrades to more recent product at end
user cost, despite the fact that the end user's product is, in fact,
perfectly serviceable. MS turns off functionality when they want to
force an upgrade. Something I've had first had dealings with. Something
I also forced MS to turn back on with some very loud and very public
complaints.
Then there is the fact that Linux other systems are not quite user
friendly. Not that Windows is any prize, but it's familiar. The Devil
you know, and all that. As Linux becomes more user friendly, market
share will increase. This is what's driving the shadow of lawsuits and
the tribute payments MS has extracted from Novell and other purveyors of
Linux.
They've made similar noise against Apple for years. And even as
recently as a year and a half ago, threatened to pull the Mac division
from their catalog.
So, alternative systems are not selling well. And as they make
inroads, you can watch Redmond play different and more aggressive games
to spread FUD about non MS product.
None of it's true.
But if you afraid to believe, you don't ever take the step.
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| D Peter Maus 2007-07-22, 4:33 am |
| Brenda Ann wrote:
> "D Peter Maus" <DPeterMaus@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:rjxoi.86$iX3.14@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> My biggest problem with Mac (I like the machines, always have) is the
> relative lack of software available for them. For instance, I have several
> video editing applications, and several internet webcasting applications,
> and they cannot be duplicated in Mac. (or at least they could not). I'll
> concede that their machines, and to an extent their OS, are very reliable.
>
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The applications...very likely are not duplicated under Mac, no.
Their functionality will be found in other apps, however. Especially in
video and audio editing. Most of them in open source, or at least
standards compliant apps. The challenge is finding them.
There are websites that are dedicated to nothing but video and audio
apps for Macintosh. The names escape me at the moments, but if you do a
websearch you can find thousands of audio, video and webcasting apps for
Mac. Some of which are produced by Apple.
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| On Jul 21, 8:35 pm, "Brenda Ann" <bren...@shinbiro.com> wrote:
> "Kurt" <labol...@spacegmail.com> wrote in message
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> would pretty much give away their entire life if it fell into the hands of
> someone else? And hey, my iPaq does most of what the iPhone does. Besides,
> sometimes I want to do more than one thing at a time. For that it takes more
> than one device. Cute gimmick, yeah, and young people will buy any gimcrack
> that comes out just to be "kewl". That doesn't make it worth what they're
> paying for it.
>
> As far as Apple being the be all and end all of gimmickry, I have a very
> nice (and reliable) mp3/video player with a 60GB HDD in it that cost me far
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BAD,
Let see to date I have never used the Camera
on my Motorola RAZR V3 Cellphone -and-
only down loaded on Ring Tone {Tune} :
"Hello Goodbye" -by- The Beattles
Two of the three iPhone owners that I know of
are ready to show everyone their iPhones . . .
but the third one already has a broken LCD
Display Screen. Oops ! They each average
$100 plus a Month in their AT&T Bill just for
the priviledge of saying : Hey Look At My iPhone !
As for me give me something like a "JitterBug"
Cellphone design with Senior Citizens in mind.
http://www.firststreetonline.com/pr...678&PID=1583978
-but- make it comatable with the AT&T Wireless
System.
Back to the Suject of Shortwave Radio :
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keeping the $pirit of Dr Gene $cott alive -by- Teaching and
Preaching the BIBLE Word for Word -If- You see Her on
TV She has taken to wearing the Gene $cott "Look" right
down to the Shoes :o) => http://www.drgenescott.org/
Has Her own website WWW . Pastor Melissa $cott . Com
PMS => http://www.pastormelissascott.com/
WWCR =>
Say "PMS" is that a recurring Prophecy ?
Yes it is "That Time* of the Month Again . . .
.. . . . . . . When We Ask For Money !" :o)
* Hell It Is Always Time To Ask For Money !
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| Michael A. Terrell 2007-07-22, 4:33 am |
| Kurt wrote:
>
> In article <46A2C55E.913D0713@earthlink.net>,
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> Yes, for you, buy a phone with large numbers and voice only.
I already have a very good digital camera, and I don't like to listen
to music through earphones or headsets. Blow all your money on gimmicks
now, so all you can afford to eat when you retire is Chinese canned cat
food.
> I'm a lot older than you and the iPhone does it right for 90% of what
> people really want.
Really? How old would that be?
> Youth market fuels gimmicks. Ringtones reap untold millions.
Youth are generally ignorant and very wasteful.
For you I would have to buy the "Braying Jackass" ringtone. OTOH,
someone who doesn't want to be bothered when he's not home doesn't need
anything more than 911 capability on a cell phone and I can do that for
free. I have boxes full of used, working cell phones with good
batteries that the recyclers won't pay for. I might as well use up the
old batteries before I give them to the local battered women's group.
They have a good supply at the moment, so why dump more on them? They
will need new batteries before they are given out, and the used
batteries are shipped off for recycling.
The newer phones go to charity to raise money for Disabled, and other
Veterans groups.
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| In article <46A2E8C7.BDEC3015@earthlink.net>,
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> For you I would have to buy the "Braying Jackass" ringtone. OTOH,
Troll plonk.
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| In article <- b2dnSmSZeRGUz_bnZ2dn
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.com>,
Scott <how.do@you.do> wrote:
> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in
> news:labolide-89B489.20230021072007@news.giganews.com:
>
>
>
> And what do you base this claim on?
Sales so far.
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| Michael A. Terrell 2007-07-22, 10:33 am |
| Kurt wrote:
>
> In article <46A2E8C7.BDEC3015@earthlink.net>,
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> Troll plonk.
Yes, you are a troll. Goodbye.
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| Todd Allcock 2007-07-22, 12:33 pm |
| At 22 Jul 2007 12:35:43 +0900 Brenda Ann wrote:
> Do people REALLY want something that is easily broken, lost or stolen
> that would pretty much give away their entire life if it fell into the
> hands of someone else?
No, but many of us do want an all-in-one device, rather than schlep
separate phones, PDAa, cameras, etc.
I use a PPC phone, and my data's password protected. Not a perfect
failsafe against loss, but I'm not exactly James Bond keeping Her
Majesty's Secrets out of the hands of SPECTRE either...
> And hey, my iPaq does most of what the iPhone does.
So you pick on iPhone buyers for wanting an all-in-one device while using
a competitive all-in-one? You might as well make fun of Coke drinkers
for downing wasted empty calories, then say "and I prefer Pepsi anyway!"
> Besides,
> sometimes I want to do more than one thing at a time. For that it takes
more
> than one device.
Depends on how well designed the device is- theoretically I could shoot
pictures on my PPC phone while talking on the phone (with my bluetooth
headet) but I haven't actually needed to.
> Cute gimmick, yeah, and young people will buy any gimcrack
> that comes out just to be "kewl". That doesn't make it worth what
they're
> paying for it.
I think the iPhone is overpriced personally, but I don't condemn the
concept because of it, just as I think Lexus' cars are overpriced as well
but don't condemn all automobiles because of it.
> As far as Apple being the be all and end all of gimmickry, I have a
very
> nice (and reliable) mp3/video player with a 60GB HDD in it that cost me
far
> less than a similar iPod,
To be fair, you use a player that didn't exist before the iPod proved it
market-viable. The MP3 player market was floundering in a sea of akward
to use flash-memory players (like my Rio 500) that were battling each
other on cost vs. capacity. It took Apple to say "people will pay more
for a device with a large, easy to read screen and a huge capacity." And
they were right.
And not to pick on the Apple faithful, but can we cut this hooey about
"perfect design" and "ergonomics?" The iPods' menus are just as idiotic,
confusing and non-intuitive as ever other MP3 player out there- the
difference was an easy-to-read multiline display that could indicate
where in the menu system you were. My Rio 500's menuing system was no
easier or harder to understand than my Nano's, it was just harder to
navigate through it a one-line, grey, pocket-calculator-style, LCD panel.
> and I don't have to deal with proprietary files.
Another iPod basher that apparently has never actually used one: iPod
owners do not "have to deal with proprietary files." I have several MP3
players lying around, including an iPod Nano. The iPod doesn't use
"proprietary files"- it plays MP3s I drag to it's drive letter just like
all of my other MP3 players. (Yes, Apple fans, I know I'm missing out on
the whole "iTunes experience"- sue me. I've used computers since before
the GUI, and MP3 players since before the iPod and I don't do "playlists"
and "media syncing"- I drag albums to my player and play them in their
entirety.) Having said that, iPods CAN use non-MP3 .aiff files, but
they're no more (or less) proprietary than the Microsoft .wma files many
players, including yours, probably, can play as well. Like .wma, they
offer better sound quality in a smaller file, but also like .wma, they
cause compatiblity issues since all players can't play them, forcing many
of us to stick with (inferior) MP3 files.
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| DaveC 2007-07-22, 12:33 pm |
| > How I would like to change the *digital* cell phone industry.
Do away with GPS location reporting.
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, US author,
diplomat, inventor, physicist, politician, & printer (1706 - 1790)
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| Todd Allcock 2007-07-22, 3:33 pm |
| At 21 Jul 2007 19:40:38 -0700 Kurt wrote:
> Bottom line - People want products that work for them. Period.
> Mac delivers, like them or not.
Yet Macs have been around for 20 years and still only have a 5% market
share- clearly they "deliver" something those 5% want, but not something
"everyone" wants.
In the iPhone's case, the potential market is fairly large, but not the
entire cellphone market, like our resident troll "none" believes, simply
because the entire cellphone market is not interested in smartphones,
regardless of how "smart" the phone is. Many people simply won't trade a
physical 12-key phone dialpad for access to Youtube or Google, period.
I'm not in that category obviously, nor are you, but the VAST majority of
people simply are. Those people, even if they were clamoring for an MP3
phone, would likely prefer a ROKR to an iPhone!
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| On Jul 22, 9:12 am, DaveC <m...@bogusdomain.net> wrote:
>
- Do away with GPS location reporting.
>
> "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, US author,
> diplomat, inventor, physicist, politician, & printer (1706 - 1790)
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| In article < 34632448102007072218
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caOnLine.com>,
Todd Allcock < elecconnec@AmericaOn
Line.com> wrote:
> At 21 Jul 2007 19:40:38 -0700 Kurt wrote:
>
>
>
> Yet Macs have been around for 20 years and still only have a 5% market
> share- clearly they "deliver" something those 5% want, but not something
> "everyone" wants.
>
Haven't me from running a good-sized design advertising design studio.
Never got what everyone else liked about PCs (and forget the "PCS are
cheaper" excuse - you pay more in time and virus prevention later).
Use Virtual PC about once a week to test on IE browser and access a
couple ActiveX powered control panels.
The masses generally were led to believe that Macs weren't compatible
with what they do and that software was extremely limited.
Comfort level, too. Some folks loved Windows 98.
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| Brenda Ann 2007-07-22, 10:33 pm |
|
"DaveC" <me@bogusdomain.net> wrote in message
news:0001HW. C2C8CFE5004BE1A0F018
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> Do away with GPS location reporting.
>
> "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, US
> author,
> diplomat, inventor, physicist, politician, & printer (1706 - 1790)
> --
I see you don't believe the government's stated primary goal of making E911
available to cell users..
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| Don Bowey 2007-07-22, 10:33 pm |
| On 7/22/07 2:52 PM, in article
labolide-9157B5.14524522072007@news.giganews.com, "Kurt"
<labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:
> In article < 34632448102007072218
1912elecconnec@Ameri
caOnLine.com>,
> Todd Allcock < elecconnec@AmericaOn
Line.com> wrote:
>
Last I heard Apple was number 3 in laptop sales, and growing fast.
[color=darkred]
> Haven't me from running a good-sized design advertising design studio.
> Never got what everyone else liked about PCs (and forget the "PCS are
> cheaper" excuse - you pay more in time and virus prevention later).
> Use Virtual PC about once a week to test on IE browser and access a
> couple ActiveX powered control panels.
Nonsense. My wife's Fujitsu laptop is about 5 years old and has been as
dependable as my Macs. Except for defragging it a few times it has taken
none of my time.
My year old PC tower, running XP, is also flawless.
>
> The masses generally were led to believe that Macs weren't compatible
> with what they do and that software was extremely limited.
> Comfort level, too. Some folks loved Windows 98.
And some love XP.
IMHO Mac has had only one computer that flat knocked the socks off the PC
competition, and they quit making it (638CDV). They also made at least one
laptop that was a pathetic Power Mac which was slower by far than my 040
desktop computer of the time.
The only reason I'm still using a Mac (MacBook Pro) is that I can run
Windows when I need to, without using an emulator.
Bottom line, like it or not, PCs are cheaper than Macs and retrofit cards
for the PC are VERY inexpensive for high quality functionality.
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| In article <C2C92FDF. 70F34%dbowey@comcast
.net>,
Don Bowey <dbowey@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 7/22/07 2:52 PM, in article
> labolide-9157B5.14524522072007@news.giganews.com, "Kurt"
> <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Last I heard Apple was number 3 in laptop sales, and growing fast.
>
>
> Nonsense. My wife's Fujitsu laptop is about 5 years old and has been as
> dependable as my Macs. Except for defragging it a few times it has taken
> none of my time.
>
> My year old PC tower, running XP, is also flawless.
>
>
> And some love XP.
>
> IMHO Mac has had only one computer that flat knocked the socks off the PC
> competition, and they quit making it (638CDV). They also made at least one
> laptop that was a pathetic Power Mac which was slower by far than my 040
> desktop computer of the time.
>
> The only reason I'm still using a Mac (MacBook Pro) is that I can run
> Windows when I need to, without using an emulator.
>
> Bottom line, like it or not, PCs are cheaper than Macs and retrofit cards
> for the PC are VERY inexpensive for high quality functionality.
I'll tell you, every time I have to get into XP, I cringe at the design
and implementation. Vista is even worse (and been a nightmare for a lot
of my non-tech friends).
My "Old" G5 2.5 does a fine job. Have about 5 other older machines in
daily use around here (iMacs, a couple towers, and an iBook). Never a
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| Michael A. Terrell 2007-07-23, 4:33 am |
| Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> hath wroth:
>
>
> Add EPIC, EPIC Express, ITX, Mini-ITX, Nano-ITX, EBX, PCI-104, PC-104
> Plus, CompactPCI, EPIC, EPIC-Express, PC/104, PC/104-Plus,
> PC/104-Express, PICMG, AMC, ETX, ECX, XTX, COM-Express, COM-Express,
> and probably a few I've missed. PC's own the industrial control
> market. The catch is that most boards are rather expensive.
You do have to consider the total volume of sales vs the engineering
costs, plus these items are generally not built with all jelly bean
parts.
The HP 85 desktop computer with the tape drive, tiny monochrome
monitor and IEEE-488 port was used at Microdyne for some very old
equipment for test and alignment, till they finally hired a programmer
to write new software for a PC.
http://www.oldcalculatormuseum.com/hp85.html
> See:
> <http://www.mini-itx.com>
> On the right side is a list of "projects" that various users have
> built. They range from ingenious to ludicrous. All are interesting.
> I suppose that could be done with a disembowled Mac, but Apple doesn't
> sell motherboards so it requires cannibalization of a complete
> machine. So much for the hobbyist market.
http://www. measurementcomputing
.com/index.html was our supplier for
PC-104 IEEE-488 interface boards. They used to be Computer Boards, Inc.
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| Telamon 2007-07-23, 4:33 am |
| In article <46A407C0.21AA2C75@earthlink.net>,
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Kurt wrote:
>
>
> More lies from the mac community. There are excellent anti virus
> programs that are free for private use AVG is my favorite.
>
> Have you EVER seen any instrumentation cards for a MAC? I've seen
> ISA, EISA, PCI and the pc-104 industrial variant os the EISA buss.
< Snip >
Yes. National Instruments.
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| Jeff Liebermann 2007-07-23, 4:33 am |
| "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> hath wroth:
>Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Sorry about the duplicated acronyms.
[color=darkred]
> The HP 85 desktop computer with the tape drive, tiny monochrome
>monitor and IEEE-488 port was used at Microdyne for some very old
>equipment for test and alignment, till they finally hired a programmer
>to write new software for a PC.
> http://www.oldcalculatormuseum.com/hp85.html
You could have used an emulator. Some of the old HP test hardware has
been emulated on a PC as a means of preserving the investment in
software. For the HP85:
<http://www.kaser.com/hp85.html>
Incidentally, I collect HP calculators:
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/hp-calc/>
Ugh. Those are ancient photos. My collection is easily twice as
large today. I also do some repairs:
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/hp65/>
in my non-existent spare time.
> http://www. measurementcomputing
.com/index.html was our supplier for
>PC-104 IEEE-488 interface boards. They used to be Computer Boards, Inc.
They still own http:/www.ComputerBoards.com I used to buy
relatively cheap ISA and PCI I/O cards from them.
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| Michael A. Terrell 2007-07-23, 7:33 am |
| Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> hath wroth:
>
>
> Sorry about the duplicated acronyms.
:-)
>
> You could have used an emulator.
Most of the software needed updated, anyway. The equipment being
tested had the newer IEEE-488 implementation, and the old system
couldn't make use of it. We had five of them and the cal lab could
barely keep two running. There were days we had to forcible take the
only working unit away from engineering to ship on time. After the new
software was ready, they bought a pile of NI boards for the Win 95
computers used in test and engineering. (This was pre Y2K)
> Some of the old HP test hardware has
> been emulated on a PC as a means of preserving the investment in
> software. For the HP85:
> <http://www.kaser.com/hp85.html>
>
> Incidentally, I collect HP calculators:
> <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/hp-calc/>
> Ugh. Those are ancient photos. My collection is easily twice as
> large today. I also do some repairs:
> <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/hp65/>
> in my non-existent spare time.
>
>
> They still own http:/www.ComputerBoards.com I used to buy
> relatively cheap ISA and PCI I/O cards from them.
I may still have a few of the padded shipping boxes, some of each
name.
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| Don Bowey 2007-07-23, 10:33 am |
| On 7/22/07 10:10 PM, in article iad8a3h09nn8kok9pjms
f629bs8n8rvvph@4ax.com,
"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> hath wroth:
>
>
> Sorry about the duplicated acronyms.
>
>
> You could have used an emulator. Some of the old HP test hardware has
> been emulated on a PC as a means of preserving the investment in
> software. For the HP85:
> <http://www.kaser.com/hp85.html>
>
(snip)
I have a new, old-stock printer for the HP85, still in it's bag and box.
Is there any interest in it or is it junk?
Post here or email.
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| In article
<telamon_spamshield-71FBBA. 22001022072007@newsc
lstr02.news.prodigy.com>,
Telamon < telamon_spamshield@p
acbell.net.is.invalid> wrote:
> In article <46A407C0.21AA2C75@earthlink.net>,
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> < Snip >
>
> Yes. National Instruments.
>
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> Ventura, California
Hey, neighbor (also Ventura)
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| Telamon 2007-07-23, 10:33 pm |
| In article <labolide-DEA51B.08301123072007@news.giganews.com>,
Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:
> In article
> <telamon_spamshield-71FBBA. 22001022072007@newsc
lstr02.news.prodigy.com>,
> Telamon < telamon_spamshield@p
acbell.net.is.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> Hey, neighbor (also Ventura)
There are a few people from Ventura, Oxnard, and LA that post to this
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| > I see you don't believe the government's stated primary goal of making E911
> available to cell users..
I don't believe or disbelieve. The OP asked a question. I offered my
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