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http://www.learnthenet.com/english/html/29start.htm
If you are interested in starting a newsgroup, don't try it alone the
first time around. Find someone who has been through the process before.
Many arcane customs and rules have sprung up around creating new
newsgroups.
Let's say you are a cactus aficionado and want to start a newsgroup at
rec.gardens.cactus. The process you would go through is as follows:
A formal Request for Discussion (RFD) is posted to
news.announce.newgroup and any other newsgroups related to the topic.
Interested people will discuss the name of the group, where it should go
in the hierarchy, and whether your group is really necessary. If there
is no agreement on these issues at the end of 30 days, the discussion
will be taken to e-mail, where the idea may eventually be killed, or the
participant will come back with a new proposal and make a new Request
for Discussion.
Once the name, place, and purpose of the group are decided, a Call for
Votes CFV) is posted to news.announce.newsgroups and other related
groups. The voting period will be more than 20 days, but less than 30.
Votes are sent via e-mail to a list moderator.
At the end of the voting period, the results are posted to
news.announce.newsgroup.
A mandatory five day waiting period after the vote is posted allows for
correction of any errors in or discussion of the vote count.
If there are no serious objections and if there were 100 more "yes"
votes than "no" votes, and if at least two-thirds of the total number of
votes were "yes" votes, the group will be created, and the moderator
will send out an announcement.
If the proposal fails, a new RFD can be proposed after a six month
waiting period and the whole process begins again.
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| Tinman 2007-07-17, 4:33 am |
| "Kurt" wrote:
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> Let's say you are a cactus aficionado and want to start a newsgroup at
> rec.gardens.cactus. The process you would go through is as follows:
> A formal Request for Discussion (RFD) is posted to
> news.announce.newgroup and any other newsgroups related to the topic.
That "article" is referring to Big 8 newsgroup creation, not an Alt group
like this one. Alt groups have no such centralized control and can be
created by just about anyone. You just need to get news admins to carry it.
The informal equivalent to news.announce.newgroups in the alt.* hierarchy is
alt.config. Take a look at the difference in message content between it and
news.announce.newgroups and you'll get an idea of just how different things
are in the alt.* universe.
Navas posted his first proposal message to alt.config and alt.cellular.gsm
on 9/17/01. Ironically in response to someone concerned about using a
company name in the newsgroup name Navas replied:
"Again, I respectfully disagree -- while names have changed, principally due
to mergers, names of mega-carriers like Cingular can be expected to
be relatively stable."
Now *that's* funny! But he gets better:
"Voicestream would now seem to be set for the long haul, and I think Nextel
is a reasonably good bet. Regardless, Cingular is in a different
class."
Trust me, you can't make this shit up. Google it.
--
Mike
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| Charles 2007-07-17, 7:33 am |
| In article <labolide-60B81A.21041316072007@news.giganews.com>, Kurt
<labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:
> If you are interested in starting a newsgroup, don't try it alone the
> first time around. Find someone who has been through the process before.
> Many arcane customs and rules have sprung up around creating new
> newsgroups.
That article describes what used to be how to start a Big-8 newsgroup,
not how to start an alt. newsgroup. Starting an alt. group is easier
than a Big 8 group. However starting a Big 8 newsgroup has been changed
and is easier than the old rules you posted.
http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku....roposal
s
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| Tinman wrote:
> "Kurt" wrote:
>
> That "article" is referring to Big 8 newsgroup creation, not an Alt group
> like this one. Alt groups have no such centralized control and can be
> created by just about anyone. You just need to get news admins to carry it.
>
> The informal equivalent to news.announce.newgroups in the alt.* hierarchy is
> alt.config. Take a look at the difference in message content between it and
> news.announce.newgroups and you'll get an idea of just how different things
> are in the alt.* universe.
>
> Navas posted his first proposal message to alt.config and alt.cellular.gsm
> on 9/17/01. Ironically in response to someone concerned about using a
> company name in the newsgroup name Navas replied:
> "Again, I respectfully disagree -- while names have changed, principally due
> to mergers, names of mega-carriers like Cingular can be expected to
> be relatively stable."
>
> Now *that's* funny! But he gets better:
> "Voicestream would now seem to be set for the long haul, and I think Nextel
> is a reasonably good bet. Regardless, Cingular is in a different
> class."
>
> Trust me, you can't make this shit up. Google it.
Very funny.
In any case, I don't think that it's such a big deal. When name changes
occur, you create a new group. This is what happened with Voicestream to
T-Mobile.
For Wireless from AT&T, alt.cellular.attws is already created. I know it
was originally for the old AT&T Wireless, but that's really no problem.
When you want to go to the former Cingular web site you can use:
"http://www.wireless.att.com"
or
"http://att.com/wireless"
So alt.cellular.attws is a very good match. Maybe it could be just
alt.cellular.att, if anyone wanted to create a new group, but it's
really not necessary.
The lack of a charter is not an issue. A charter isn't required. Usually
it's not a problem to have one, but for alt.cellular.cingular, it's led
to a great deal of newsgroup clutter as Navas posts it so often. One of
the advantages of the existing attws newsgroup is that there is no
charter, so maybe we'll just have to read about Motorola chargers every
few days, at least for those that haven't kill-filed Navas!
"The problem with arguing with a crazy person is that onlookers will
have trouble telling which is the nut."
[Copied to alt.cellular.attws. Please post all alt.cellular.cingular
non-spam posts to alt.cellular.attws as well. The Cingular name has gone
away, and alt.cellular.attws is the proper venue for posts regarding
AT&T's Wireless Service.]
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| John Navas 2007-07-17, 10:33 am |
| On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 07:25:28 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in < 469cd128$0$27254$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:
>"The problem with arguing with a crazy person is that onlookers will
>have trouble telling which is the nut."
"A little learning is a dangerous thing." [Alexander Pope]
"It is better to sit in silence and appear ignorant,
than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." [Mark Twain]
>[Copied to alt.cellular.attws. Please post all alt.cellular.cingular
>non-spam posts to alt.cellular.attws as well. The Cingular name has gone
>away, and alt.cellular.attws is the proper venue for posts regarding
>AT&T's Wireless Service.]
Not true.
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difficult to redirect, awe inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind
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| Tinman wrote:
<snip>
> Now *that's* funny! But he gets better:
> "Voicestream would now seem to be set for the long haul, and I think Nextel
> is a reasonably good bet. Regardless, Cingular is in a different
> class."
>
> Trust me, you can't make this shit up. Google it.
A year ago I wrote:
"It's as if he's terrified that when (and if) the Cingular name is
dropped, that Usenet readers and posters will migrate to the old
alt.cellular.attws, a group that doesn't have a charter written by him.
So he's desperately trying to extend the alt.cellular.cingular charter
onto alt.cellular.attws (at least that's the only explanation anyone's
come up with for why he's posting a charter into a group that it doesn't
apply to)."
Now the migration is happening, and he's increased his spamming.
[Copied to alt.cellular.attws. Please post all alt.cellular.cingular
non-spam posts to alt.cellular.attws as well. The Cingular name has gone
away, and alt.cellular.attws is the proper venue for posts regarding
AT&T's Wireless Service.]
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| John Navas 2007-07-17, 10:33 am |
| On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 07:51:05 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in < 469cd729$0$27173$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:
>Tinman wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>
>A year ago I wrote:
>
>"It's as if he's terrified that when (and if) the Cingular name is
>dropped, that Usenet readers and posters will migrate to the old
>alt.cellular.attws, a group that doesn't have a charter written by him.
>So he's desperately trying to extend the alt.cellular.cingular charter
>onto alt.cellular.attws (at least that's the only explanation anyone's
>come up with for why he's posting a charter into a group that it doesn't
>apply to)."
>
>Now the migration is happening, and he's increased his spamming.
Wrong on both counts.
What's increasing is your attempts to disrupt these newsgroups and to
run down AT&T/Cingular, increasingly desperate as more and more of your
forecasts are shown to be nonsense.
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Q>
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| In article < 170720070606417023%f
ort@his.com.remove.invalid>,
Charles <fort@his.com.remove.invalid> wrote:
> In article <labolide-60B81A.21041316072007@news.giganews.com>, Kurt
> <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> That article describes what used to be how to start a Big-8 newsgroup,
> not how to start an alt. newsgroup. Starting an alt. group is easier
> than a Big 8 group. However starting a Big 8 newsgroup has been changed
> and is easier than the old rules you posted.
>
> http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku....roposal
s
Thanks for clarifying. This was one of the top organic Google listings
for "starting a newsgroup"
Just pulled it off for the sake of point of reference.
No word about charters in any of them. It's obviously not rocket science
to start one or get one "approved"
Case in point are the thousands of nonsense alt. groups that are still
listed after all these years.
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| John Navas 2007-07-17, 10:33 am |
| On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 06:06:41 -0400, Charles
<fort@his.com.remove.invalid> wrote in
< 170720070606417023%f
ort@his.com.remove.invalid>:
>In article <labolide-60B81A.21041316072007@news.giganews.com>, Kurt
><labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>That article describes what used to be how to start a Big-8 newsgroup,
>not how to start an alt. newsgroup. Starting an alt. group is easier
>than a Big 8 group. However starting a Big 8 newsgroup has been changed
>and is easier than the old rules you posted.
>
>http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku....roposal
s
This kind of nonsense is what you get when people rant about things in
which they have no actual experience. ;)
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| Scott 2007-07-17, 10:33 am |
| John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote in
news:cjlp93tqjact2vt
k3il883rqvqt57icceq@
4ax.com:
>
>
> Not true.
>
Care to explain your response, Johnny? Now that the Cingular name is gone
FOREVER, attws might be more appropriate.
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| Scott 2007-07-17, 10:33 am |
| John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote in
news:e0mp939geo202sv
6jbs30hkeefktqfu9ct@
4ax.com:
> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 07:51:05 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
> wrote in < 469cd729$0$27173$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:
>
>
> Wrong on both counts.
>
> What's increasing is your attempts to disrupt these newsgroups and to
> run down AT&T/Cingular, increasingly desperate as more and more of
> your forecasts are shown to be nonsense.
>
Anybody else notice that Navas sounds much more desperate than usual in his
posts? The posts have certainly taken on a different tone and sound much
more juvenile than usual.
Reality finally smacking you in the XXX, Johnny?
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| John Navas 2007-07-17, 10:33 am |
| On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 07:56:53 -0700, Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote
in <labolide-2ADF37.07565317072007@news.giganews.com>:
>Thanks for clarifying. This was one of the top organic Google listings
>for "starting a newsgroup"
>Just pulled it off for the sake of point of reference.
There are much better references on the Internet. Google isn't a good
source for this sort of thing.
>No word about charters in any of them.
Not true. Do your homework.
>It's obviously not rocket science
>to start one or get one "approved"
It's actually pretty hard, particularly if there's no charter. To get
this group off the ground I personally contacted all of the major news
service admins.
>Case in point are the thousands of nonsense alt. groups that are still
>listed after all these years.
Irrelevant -- that's just legacy crap in the system.
Get some actual experience and you won't be so far off the mark.
--
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John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/ Cingu...less_FA
Q>
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| Scott wrote:
> Anybody else notice that Navas sounds much more desperate than usual in his
> posts? The posts have certainly taken on a different tone and sound much
> more juvenile than usual.
I think that now that the migration is actually occurring, he's trying
to figure out what to do about it. If he'd gone and created an
"alt.cellular.att" group last year, it might have had some chance of
becoming viable. But look at alt.cellular.t-mobile. While it's carried
by most Usenet servers, and it's now more popular than the old
Voicestream group that it replaced, it's still not on Google Groups,
which is widely used. I don't understand why Google Groups won't add it.
Remember how Navas was so desperately against alt.cellular.t-mobile? It
was because he didn't like the idea of a company name change resulting
in a new group, because in this case he knew the "new" group would
actually be an existing group, one that he didn't write the charter for.
In any case, you only encourage him by responding to him. Remember the
adage, "The problem with arguing with a crazy person is that onlookers
will have trouble telling which is the nut."
Even Google Groups now has kill files. Use them sparingly, but wisely.
[Copied to alt.cellular.attws. Please post all alt.cellular.cingular
non-spam posts to alt.cellular.attws as well. The Cingular name has gone
away, and alt.cellular.attws is the proper venue for posts regarding
AT&T's Wireless Service.]
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| John Navas 2007-07-17, 12:33 pm |
| On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:16:24 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in < 469ceb28$0$27210$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:
>Scott wrote:
>
>
>I think that now that the migration is actually occurring, he's trying
>to figure out what to do about it. ...
How silly. I couldn't care less.
>Remember how Navas was so desperately against alt.cellular.t-mobile?
How bogus. I couldn't have cared less.
>In any case, you only encourage him by responding to him. Remember the
>adage, "The problem with arguing with a crazy person is that onlookers
>will have trouble telling which is the nut."
"A little learning is a dangerous thing." [Alexander Pope]
"It is better to sit in silence and appear ignorant,
than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." [Mark Twain]
--
Best regards,
John Navas <http:/navasgroup.com>
"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea - massive,
difficult to redirect, awe inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." --Gene Spafford
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| Elmo P. Shagnasty 2007-07-17, 3:33 pm |
| In article < 16mp9350t0kd73tp5klj
jn31l4g4stqneg@4ax.com>,
John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
> This kind of nonsense is what you get when people rant about things in
> which they have no actual experience.
We know, John. We have to deal with you posting your crap, about which
you have no actual experience, every day.
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| Elmo P. Shagnasty 2007-07-17, 3:33 pm |
| In article < e0mp939geo202sv6jbs3
0hkeefktqfu9ct@4ax.com>,
John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
>
> Wrong on both counts.
>
> What's increasing is your attempts to disrupt these newsgroups and to
> run down AT&T/Cingular, increasingly desperate as more and more of your
> forecasts are shown to be nonsense.
he's right on both counts.
And then there are the constant posts of yours lately, John, desperately
trying to run down Apple and the iPhone.
You are so transparent.
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| Elmo P. Shagnasty 2007-07-17, 3:33 pm |
| In article < d2rp93dkokj1ksvqhe11
0u9jidlbbt1dk2@4ax.com>,
John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
>
> How silly. I couldn't care less.
Rubbish.
>
>
> How bogus. I couldn't have cared less.
Nonsense.
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| In article < 2amp93dop03adoebefgm
s8tj3aot4isda1@4ax.com>,
John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 07:56:53 -0700, Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote
> in <labolide-2ADF37.07565317072007@news.giganews.com>:
>
>
> There are much better references on the Internet. Google isn't a good
> source for this sort of thing.
>
>
> Not true. Do your homework.
>
>
> It's actually pretty hard, particularly if there's no charter. To get
> this group off the ground I personally contacted all of the major news
> service admins.
>
>
> Irrelevant -- that's just legacy crap in the system.
Not irrelevant when many of those thousands got theirs either around the
same time or much after you say you got this one.
>
> Get some actual experience and you won't be so far off the mark.
I see I touched a nerve.
Less playing hard to get, and more being forthright will help you out a
lot.
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| Scott 2007-07-17, 10:33 pm |
| John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote in
news:2amp93dop03adoe
befgms8tj3aot4isda1@
4ax.com:
>
> Get some actual experience and you won't be so far off the mark.
>
Coming form you, that's hilarious.
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| John Navas 2007-07-17, 10:33 pm |
| On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:37:47 -0700, Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote
in <labolide-BAE514.14374717072007@news.giganews.com>:
>In article < 2amp93dop03adoebefgm
s8tj3aot4isda1@4ax.com>,
> John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
>
>Not irrelevant when many of those thousands got theirs either around the
>same time or much after you say you got this one.
Not true, as your lack of any evidence confirms.
>
>I see I touched a nerve.
Hardly. :)
>Less playing hard to get, and more being forthright will help you out a
>lot.
Thanks, but I don't need any such help. You're projecting again. ;)
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Q>
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| John Navas 2007-07-17, 10:33 pm |
| On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:04:31 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in
<elmop-5CB805. 15043117072007@nntp1
.usenetserver.com>:
>In article < 16mp9350t0kd73tp5klj
jn31l4g4stqneg@4ax.com>,
> John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
>
>
>We know, John. We have to deal with you posting your crap, about which
>you have no actual experience, every day.
Thanks for proving my point.
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Q>
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| In article < 11kq9398ufks542dlq1e
i85p6sj9jnjgg3@4ax.com>,
John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:37:47 -0700, Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote
> in <labolide-BAE514.14374717072007@news.giganews.com>:
>
>
>
> Not true, as your lack of any evidence confirms.
Now you're just being silly. I thought you were the expert.
>
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| John Navas 2007-07-17, 10:33 pm |
| On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:48:51 -0700, Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote
in <labolide-78105E.16485117072007@news.giganews.com>:
>In article < 11kq9398ufks542dlq1e
i85p6sj9jnjgg3@4ax.com>,
> John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
>
>
>Now you're just being silly. I thought you were the expert.
Thank you.
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> John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
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> Coming form you, that's hilarious.
Ain't that the truth. ROFL
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In article < m3kq93ttldjmhjj4d0ch
6jnj2ucipgpokp@4ax.com>,
John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for proving my point.
I don't have to prove your point. You do it every day, by posting crap
you have no actual experience with.
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| John Navas 2007-07-17, 10:33 pm |
| On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:09:36 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in
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>In article < m3kq93ttldjmhjj4d0ch
6jnj2ucipgpokp@4ax.com>,
> John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
>
>
>I don't have to prove your point. You do it every day, by posting crap
>you have no actual experience with.
Not even a nice try. You really are lame. Hopefully you'll grow up in
time, and stop making yourself look so childish and foolish.
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Q>
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| John Navas 2007-07-17, 10:33 pm |
| On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:04:26 -0500, DTC < no_spam@move_along_f
olks.foob>
wrote in <YPcni.11205$rL1.3877@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net>:
>Scott wrote:
>
>Ain't that the truth. ROFL
And the two doofuses stroll off arm in arm... :)
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| Elmo P. Shagnasty 2007-07-17, 10:33 pm |
| In article < hvnq93hcvlacretgaovb
5lk70sig6h1rao@4ax.com>,
John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
>
> Not even a nice try. You really are lame. Hopefully you'll grow up in
> time, and stop making yourself look so childish and foolish.
You keep WALKING right into these things, don't you, John?
Or do you really not see that what you post, you're actually posting
about YOURSELF?
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| John Navas 2007-07-17, 10:33 pm |
| On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:14:16 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in
<elmop-707E3F. 21141617072007@nntp1
.usenetserver.com>:
>In article < hvnq93hcvlacretgaovb
5lk70sig6h1rao@4ax.com>,
> John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
>
>You keep WALKING right into these things, don't you, John?
No, your lame attempt at insults notwithstanding.
>Or do you really not see that what you post, you're actually posting
>about YOURSELF?
You have that backwards as usual.
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| Elmo P. Shagnasty 2007-07-17, 10:33 pm |
| In article < fdqq93l3e52iulpvlt2r
t0ma1orv5477ui@4ax.com>,
John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
>
> You have that backwards as usual.
Only to the man looking in the mirror, as your posts so plainly show you
doing...
Tell us again about charters, John. Oh, yeah--"look it up yourself" was
the last comment you made.
| |
|
| Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article < hvnq93hcvlacretgaovb
5lk70sig6h1rao@4ax.com>,
> John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
>
>
> You keep WALKING right into these things, don't you, John?
>
> Or do you really not see that what you post, you're actually posting
> about YOURSELF?
"The problem with arguing with a crazy person is that onlookers will
have trouble telling which is the nut."
| |
|
| In article <elmop-0A10D6. 21445517072007@nntp1
.usenetserver.com>,
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> In article < fdqq93l3e52iulpvlt2r
t0ma1orv5477ui@4ax.com>,
> John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
>
>
> Only to the man looking in the mirror, as your posts so plainly show you
> doing...
>
> Tell us again about charters, John. Oh, yeah--"look it up yourself" was
> the last comment you made.
Guys- this is his life- I'd just let him have it. You can tell it means
a lot to him. He'll always try to get in the last word and will never
admit he doesn't know something.
He does have the personal experience of getting this group started, but
only that. As mentioned before, there are a gazillion groups that seem
to sneak in under the radar back a few years.
I was hoping John would at least admit it (yes, even I'd like to see him
make good) and offer insight as to how they did it.
You have to admire his tenacity. He did keep this group alive
pre-iPhone, (even if only his charter and Motorola FAQ postings were the
only posts).
BTW- just bought iPhone for my wife today (she's never been excited
about any phone until now). Apple store had plenty of 8s but (of course)
no 4s.
Free shipping if you buy from Apple directly, so no worries.
I'll keep my Treo for a while longer (so I can get it unlocked for
better resale).
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| John Navas 2007-07-18, 4:33 am |
| On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:19:25 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in < 469d787d$0$27226$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:
>Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>
>"The problem with arguing with a crazy person is that onlookers will
>have trouble telling which is the nut."
"A little learning is a dangerous thing." [Alexander Pope]
"It is better to sit in silence and appear ignorant,
than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." [Mark Twain]
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boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." --Gene Spafford
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|
| John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote in
news:8s5r935qhmf9ld5
m0cve2en8q34fbhete5@
4ax.com:
>
> "A little learning is a dangerous thing." [Alexander Pope]
As you prove every time you post.
> "It is better to sit in silence and appear ignorant,
> than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." [Mark Twain]
>
And yet you continue to post.
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| John Navas 2007-07-18, 4:33 am |
| On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 21:44:55 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in
<elmop-0A10D6. 21445517072007@nntp1
.usenetserver.com>:
>In article < fdqq93l3e52iulpvlt2r
t0ma1orv5477ui@4ax.com>,
> John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
>
>
>Only to the man looking in the mirror, as your posts so plainly show you
>doing...
>
>Tell us again about charters, John. Oh, yeah--"look it up yourself" was
>the last comment you made.
That's the best you can do? Pretty lame, not worth further response.
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| Elmo P. Shagnasty 2007-07-18, 7:33 am |
| In article < b56r93hmd0f0bd388m1t
iqhsudnr9dcf48@4ax.com>,
John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
>
> That's the best you can do? Pretty lame, not worth further response.
Tell us again about charters, John. Oh, yeah--"look it up yourself" was
the last comment you made.
| |
| Tinman 2007-07-18, 10:33 am |
| "Kurt" wrote:
>
> BTW- just bought iPhone for my wife today (she's never been excited
> about any phone until now). Apple store had plenty of 8s but (of course)
> no 4s.
Oh sure, give the wife the cheaper version <g>. (I shouldn't even joke: my
wife is likely to get my Treo 650, for which she will use it to make phone
calls, SMS, and play solitaire.)
>
> I'll keep my Treo for a while longer (so I can get it unlocked for
> better resale).
I still have my Treo 650 (didn't port my number as I was concerned about
at&t coverage where I live). So far I seem to be doing OK coverage-wise.
I've been testing call quality between the Treo and iPhone (wife got fed up
with that so I had to resort to leaving messages from both devices on our
home answering machine). Anyway it was surprising how much clearer the
messages from the iPhone were, compared to my Treo. Don't think it's Sprint
since I seem to have much better signal with Sprint. Maybe my Treo is just
getting old (it's had its share of falls and bumps--including one from my
motorcycle a week or so back).
The bad thing is that I have trouble looking at my Treo now. The keyboard
that I bragged so much about now seems tiny and cramped. Guess it's what you
are used to as when I was mainly using my Treo and just testing an iPhone I
thought *for sure* the iPhone's keyboard would be a major downgrade. YMMV.
--
Mike
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|
| In article <5g6jl0F3f347lU1@mid.individual.net>, "Tinman" <ask@for.it>
wrote:
> "Kurt" wrote:
>
> Oh sure, give the wife the cheaper version <g>. (I shouldn't even joke: my
> wife is likely to get my Treo 650, for which she will use it to make phone
> calls, SMS, and play solitaire.)
She wanted the cheaper because she'll never really use it as an iPod or
for other storage. She's never wanted to go near my 650 because it was
too complicated to use,
>
>
>
> I still have my Treo 650 (didn't port my number as I was concerned about
> at&t coverage where I live). So far I seem to be doing OK coverage-wise.
> I've been testing call quality between the Treo and iPhone (wife got fed up
> with that so I had to resort to leaving messages from both devices on our
> home answering machine). Anyway it was surprising how much clearer the
> messages from the iPhone were, compared to my Treo. Don't think it's Sprint
> since I seem to have much better signal with Sprint. Maybe my Treo is just
> getting old (it's had its share of falls and bumps--including one from my
> motorcycle a week or so back).
Yes,. that was a great tale of losing your Treo off the back of your
bike. For me, Treo had voice quality issues from the get-go. I had to
install VolumeCare to get the handset volume up. Works fine now.
Have a rubber skin on it that keeps it pretty protected.
Now, I just need to figure out how to get my wife's Entourage address
book into the IBook. MMS is probably lagging behind in this department
(but haven't looked)
>
> The bad thing is that I have trouble looking at my Treo now. The keyboard
> that I bragged so much about now seems tiny and cramped. Guess it's what you
> are used to as when I was mainly using my Treo and just testing an iPhone I
> thought *for sure* the iPhone's keyboard would be a major downgrade. YMMV.
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|
| Scott wrote:
> John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote in
> news:8s5r935qhmf9ld5
m0cve2en8q34fbhete5@
4ax.com:
>
>
>
> As you prove every time you post.
>
>
> And yet you continue to post.
"The problem with arguing with a crazy person is that onlookers will
have trouble telling which is the nut."
| |
|
| Kurt wrote:
> BTW- just bought iPhone for my wife today (she's never been excited
> about any phone until now). Apple store had plenty of 8s but (of course)
> no 4s.
On the launch day, people were complaining about plenty of 4s but no 8s.
If you're spending that much on a phone, just get the 8 already.
| |
| Tinman 2007-07-18, 12:33 pm |
| "Kurt" wrote:
>
> She wanted the cheaper because she'll never really use it as an iPod or
> for other storage. She's never wanted to go near my 650 because it was
> too complicated to use,
Yea I never owned an iPod, other than buying one for my daughter and setting
up iTunes on her computer. And as I only used my Treo with a 2 GB SD card
(originally 1 GB) which I never removed--unless it popped out accidentally,
grrrr--I originally was going to get the 4 GB iPhone. So far it's (8 GB
model) about 50% full, though I have added a ridiculous number of photos
(many dups). Also added a bunch of podcasts and video (mostly free but I did
buy a few TV shows).
I didn't buy the iPhone for its iPhone functionality but it's starting to
grow on me now that I'm more familiar with iTunes. Not sure how long this
will last as when I first got my Treo I used it for music too--and now the
same tracks I loaded back in 2005 are still on it (though I did stop using
it for music when the made-for-Treo headset I had broke). Time will tell.
> For me, Treo had voice quality issues from the get-go. I had to
> install VolumeCare to get the handset volume up. Works fine now.
Oh definitely agree with VolumeCare; don't think I would have kept my Treo
if that wasn't available.
Indeed after reading about iPhone volume complaints I was concerned it would
be like my Treo, sans VC--with no add-on apps to help correct. To me the
iPhone is not nearly as bad as my Treo but it's not as loud as I would like
either, particularly the speakerphone. Not bad enough to be a deal-killer
though and the sound quality seems better than the distorted sound I often
heard with VC. Also believe this should be fixable as the volume from say
YouTube on my iPhone is a heck of a lot louder than when using the same
speaker on a call.
> Have a rubber skin on it that keeps it pretty protected.
Might have to get something for my iPhone. If--or with me it's "when"--I
drop it again I might not be so lucky.
>
> Now, I just need to figure out how to get my wife's Entourage address
> book into the IBook. MMS is probably lagging behind in this department
> (but haven't looked)
As I PC user I was concerned about Outlook. Actually I still am since the
iPhone doesn't have To-Do lists and doesn't sync Notes. Notes I can probably
get by with by using Contacts and prefacing the name of the notes with a #
so they sort at the end of the contacts list. To-dos are a bit trickier,
though I haven't been using them much of late (same with categories, though
I still would like that feature).
What I was most worried about was notes within Contacts. I use them a lot
and in the earlier days of Palm hated that it didn't support the same number
of characters as Outlook (was fine by the time I got the Treo). Playing with
the iPhone in the store didn't give me much confidence as adding a Note is
done via the "Add Field" function. But to my surprise every character in
every contact note I have came over to the iPhone. It's not perfect, as the
end of really long notes can only be viewed when in edit mode, with the
keyboard taking up half the screen, but that part is not much different than
my Treo--and waaaayyy better IMO than WinMob's approach (though to its
credit at least WinMob allows formatting of notes).
--
Mike
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| John Navas 2007-07-18, 3:33 pm |
| On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 09:49:52 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in < 469e447f$0$27229$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:
>Scott wrote:
>
>"The problem with arguing with a crazy person is that onlookers will
>have trouble telling which is the nut."
"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea - massive,
difficult to redirect, awe inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." --Gene Spafford
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|
| Tinman wrote:
> What I was most worried about was notes within Contacts. I use them a lot
> and in the earlier days of Palm hated that it didn't support the same number
> of characters as Outlook (was fine by the time I got the Treo). Playing with
> the iPhone in the store didn't give me much confidence as adding a Note is
> done via the "Add Field" function. But to my surprise every character in
> every contact note I have came over to the iPhone. It's not perfect, as the
> end of really long notes can only be viewed when in edit mode, with the
> keyboard taking up half the screen, but that part is not much different than
> my Treo--and waaaayyy better IMO than WinMob's approach (though to its
> credit at least WinMob allows formatting of notes).
The iPhone is a nice web browser on Wi-Fi, and music player. Not such a
great world phone since you can't use prepaid SIM cards. Not a great
phone for the U.S. since Cingular's network is so poor compared to
Verizon's. Not a good phone for using the data over AT&T due to the slow
speed.
Now that it's been hacked to at least allow the use of AT&T SIM cards
other than the iPhone SIM card, at least you can use it without
subscribing to the $60 iPhone plans, or you can use it just as a Wi-Fi
web browser and iPod.
| |
|
| In article < 469e81fb$0$27161$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> Tinman wrote:
>
>
> The iPhone is a nice web browser on Wi-Fi, and music player. Not such a
> great world phone since you can't use prepaid SIM cards. Not a great
> phone for the U.S. since Cingular's network is so poor compared to
> Verizon's. Not a good phone for using the data over AT&T due to the slow
> speed.
>
> Now that it's been hacked to at least allow the use of AT&T SIM cards
> other than the iPhone SIM card, at least you can use it without
> subscribing to the $60 iPhone plans, or you can use it just as a Wi-Fi
> web browser and iPod.
I will be merging the iPhone into my family plan and the only thing that
changes is an additional $20 for the data plan (which I never had on the
other phone to begin with).
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|
| In article < jfns939lmh7mtbfb6avn
bva49b9jercd47@4ax.com>,
John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 09:49:52 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
> wrote in < 469e447f$0$27229$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:
>
>
> "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea - massive,
> difficult to redirect, awe inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind
> boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." --Gene Spafford
lonleyguy15
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|
| In article <5g6vg6F3g6vtfU1@mid.individual.net>, "Tinman" <ask@for.it>
wrote:
> "Kurt" wrote:
>
> Yea I never owned an iPod, other than buying one for my daughter and setting
> up iTunes on her computer. And as I only used my Treo with a 2 GB SD card
> (originally 1 GB) which I never removed--unless it popped out accidentally,
> grrrr--I originally was going to get the 4 GB iPhone. So far it's (8 GB
> model) about 50% full, though I have added a ridiculous number of photos
> (many dups). Also added a bunch of podcasts and video (mostly free but I did
> buy a few TV shows).
>
> I didn't buy the iPhone for its iPhone functionality but it's starting to
> grow on me now that I'm more familiar with iTunes. Not sure how long this
> will last as when I first got my Treo I used it for music too--and now the
> same tracks I loaded back in 2005 are still on it (though I did stop using
> it for music when the made-for-Treo headset I had broke). Time will tell.
I love iTunes. Listen to iTunes Radio during the day. Have podcasts of
favorite NPR shows for the car (Tivo for the radio). I hear music and
buy it immediately as download or CD from Amazon. You can't beat it.
>
>
>
> Oh definitely agree with VolumeCare; don't think I would have kept my Treo
> if that wasn't available.
>
> Indeed after reading about iPhone volume complaints I was concerned it would
> be like my Treo, sans VC--with no add-on apps to help correct. To me the
> iPhone is not nearly as bad as my Treo but it's not as loud as I would like
> either, particularly the speakerphone. Not bad enough to be a deal-killer
> though and the sound quality seems better than the distorted sound I often
> heard with VC. Also believe this should be fixable as the volume from say
> YouTube on my iPhone is a heck of a lot louder than when using the same
> speaker on a call.
I think simple update will fix this.
>
>
>
> Might have to get something for my iPhone. If--or with me it's "when"--I
> drop it again I might not be so lucky.
Black neoprene. cheap on eBay.
>
> As I PC user I was concerned about Outlook. Actually I still am since the
> iPhone doesn't have To-Do lists and doesn't sync Notes. Notes I can probably
> get by with by using Contacts and prefacing the name of the notes with a #
> so they sort at the end of the contacts list. To-dos are a bit trickier,
> though I haven't been using them much of late (same with categories, though
> I still would like that feature).
>
> What I was most worried about was notes within Contacts. I use them a lot
> and in the earlier days of Palm hated that it didn't support the same number
> of characters as Outlook (was fine by the time I got the Treo). Playing with
> the iPhone in the store didn't give me much confidence as adding a Note is
> done via the "Add Field" function. But to my surprise every character in
> every contact note I have came over to the iPhone. It's not perfect, as the
> end of really long notes can only be viewed when in edit mode, with the
> keyboard taking up half the screen, but that part is not much different than
> my Treo--and waaaayyy better IMO than WinMob's approach (though to its
> credit at least WinMob allows formatting of notes).
I use my Treo more for web and voice than anything else. Never really
use text messaging. Some email on trips, but better to use laptop. I run
an advertising graphics and web design business anyway. More images and
conceptual stuff. I sync with my Palm Desktop -all the important info I
need.
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| Tinman 2007-07-19, 4:33 am |
| "SMS" wrote:
> Tinman wrote:
>
>
> The iPhone is a nice web browser on Wi-Fi, and music player.
It does video well too, better than the PDAs or smartphones I've owned in
the past. And the iTunes thing makes the music and video features seem more
attractive. As noted I never really kept music updated on my Treo (or
video). The iPhone/iTunes combo seems to make this less likely, if only for
that damn store temping me every now and then.
Moreover I have no issue with the Contacts app, and the calendar is fine for
my needs. That's about the only must-haves for my PDA usage (though To-Dos
would be nice).
There are some things that aren't clear unless you actually sync too. For
example I was a bit concerned about the calendar's apparent limitation with
alarms. I sometimes like to be reminded a week or two in advance but I
couldn't enter anything except preset alerts on the iPhone (5-30 min, 1-2
hours, and 1-2 days before the event). Turns out it syncs any value from
Outlook. I can deal with that minor issue for on-device usage (my appts are
entered via Outlook most of the time anyway--and the ones that aren't
usually have reminders within range of what the calendar on the iPhone can
do).
> Not such a great world phone since you can't use prepaid SIM cards.
Not much of an issue for me. I've never even had GSM service here in the US
before (AMPS->TDMA->CDMA).
And since it's not marketed for business use--can't even activate it on a
business account--I doubt this will be a major issue in general.
> Not a great phone for the U.S. since Cingular's network is so poor
> compared to Verizon's. Not a good phone for using the data over AT&T due
> to the slow speed.
Those are actually bonuses in my case. For starters, Verizon has ZERO native
coverage where I live (NW AZ). So at the moment I'm quite happy Apple went
with at&t (doubt they would have gone with Sprint).
Second, Sprint has no EV-DO nor any indication they will be adding it
anytime soon around here. So Edge is actually an improvement. Granted 3G
would be nice for when I travel, but WiFi is nice too.
>
> Now that it's been hacked to at least allow the use of AT&T SIM cards
> other than the iPhone SIM card, at least you can use it without
> subscribing to the $60 iPhone plans, or you can use it just as a Wi-Fi web
> browser and iPod.
Yep. The reverse is true as well: you can use the iPhone SIM in another at&t
phone, including 3G phones (read at least one report of a someone not only
using it with a Blackjack, but tethering with it too).
Finally I highly doubt what is out for the iPhone at the moment is all
there'll be. Surely there will be improvements, and other apps.
--
Mike
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| John Navas 2007-07-19, 10:33 pm |
| On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:09:57 -0700, "Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote in
<5g86heF3fejhqU1@mid.individual.net>:
>"SMS" wrote:
>
>It does video well too, better than the PDAs or smartphones I've owned in
>the past.
My RAZR V3xx is just as good.
>And the iTunes thing makes the music and video features seem more
>attractive.
My RAZR V3xx works just as well with iTunes Agent.
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| John Navas 2007-07-19, 10:33 pm |
| On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:12:11 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in < 469e81fb$0$27161$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:
>Tinman wrote:
>
>
>The iPhone is a nice web browser on Wi-Fi, and music player. Not such a
>great world phone since you can't use prepaid SIM cards. Not a great
>phone for the U.S. since Cingular's network is so poor compared to
>Verizon's. Not a good phone for using the data over AT&T due to the slow
>speed.
Actually good on all those counts, as you might know if you'd actually
used it. ;)
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| Tinman 2007-07-19, 10:33 pm |
| "John Navas" wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:09:57 -0700, "Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote in
> <5g86heF3fejhqU1@mid.individual.net>:
>
>
>
> My RAZR V3xx is just as good.
Baloney. Half the pixels and a 2 inch screen are not "just as good."
>
>
> My RAZR V3xx works just as well with iTunes Agent.
Hardly.
--
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| |
|
| In article <5gah66F3egadcU1@mid.individual.net>, "Tinman" <ask@for.it>
wrote:
> "John Navas" wrote:
>
> Baloney. Half the pixels and a 2 inch screen are not "just as good."
>
>
>
> Hardly.
One man's ceiling is another man's floor.The tiny RAZR screen with the
faux web helps reinforce the obvious.
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| John Navas 2007-08-16, 4:33 am |
| On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:22:14 -0700, "Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote in
<5gah66F3egadcU1@mid.individual.net>:
>"John Navas" wrote:
>
>Baloney. Half the pixels and a 2 inch screen are not "just as good."
Baloney yourself. The iPhone is a brick. My RAZR V3xx is slim and
sleek, and the screen is superb.
>
>Hardly.
In fact just as well.
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| Tinman 2007-08-16, 4:33 am |
| "John Navas" wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:22:14 -0700, "Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote in
> <5gah66F3egadcU1@mid.individual.net>:
>
>
> Baloney yourself. The iPhone is a brick. My RAZR V3xx is slim and
> sleek, and the screen is superb.
>
"Your" RAZR V3xx is no different than anyone else's. It certainly didn't
magically grow pixels.
You must be off the meds again.
>
> In fact just as well.
In fact not even close. As you would know if you actually used both.
Can't believe you are down to outright lying again. And replying to posts
nearly a month old? Pathetic.
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| John Navas 2007-08-16, 7:33 am |
| On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:22:44 -0700, "Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote in
<5iic7iF3q1kuqU1@mid.individual.net>:
>"John Navas" wrote:
>
>"Your" RAZR V3xx is no different than anyone else's. It certainly didn't
>magically grow pixels.
True.
>You must be off the meds again.
That would be you.
>
>In fact not even close.
In fact just as well.
>As you would know if you actually used both.
Been there; done that.
>Can't believe you are down to outright lying again.
That would be you.
>And replying to posts
>nearly a month old? Pathetic.
No, just busy.
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| Tinman 2007-08-16, 10:33 am |
| "John Navas" wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:22:44 -0700, "Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote in
> <5iic7iF3q1kuqU1@mid.individual.net>:
>
>
>
> True.
Of course it is. I don't need your approval to know it is true either.
>
>
> That would be you.
Ohhh goodie, another "I know you are but what am I?" reply from Navas.
>
>
> Been there; done that.
You are full of crap. Your only exposure to an iPhone is from seeing one at
a store, YouTube, and Google. Your lack of knowledge on this subject is
laughable.
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|
| In article < 8io7c3pnk7b1l4o62blp
vknilkmgegelg1@4ax.com>,
John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:22:14 -0700, "Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote in
> <5gah66F3egadcU1@mid.individual.net>:
>
>
> Baloney yourself. The iPhone is a brick. My RAZR V3xx is slim and
> sleek, and the screen is superb.
>
The iPhone is 7/16" thick. Weighs 5 ozs. Screen: 3"x2" in landscape and
portrait. The thing is amazing and durable.
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| Elmo P. Shagnasty 2007-08-16, 3:33 pm |
| In article < 8io7c3pnk7b1l4o62blp
vknilkmgegelg1@4ax.com>,
John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
> The iPhone is a brick.
hmmmm, a brick can't make phone calls, can't browse the web, and is used
to build buildings and the like.
The iPhone isn't a brick.
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|
| In article <elmop-66E7A6. 15414416082007@nntp1
.usenetserver.com>,
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> In article < 8io7c3pnk7b1l4o62blp
vknilkmgegelg1@4ax.com>,
> John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
>
>
> hmmmm, a brick can't make phone calls, can't browse the web, and is used
> to build buildings and the like.
>
> The iPhone isn't a brick.
Don't even get the brick analogy. It's total volume is less than his
Razr. Way thinner, almost the same weight. Fits in my pocket better than
any phone I've ever had.
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| Scott 2007-08-16, 10:33 pm |
| "Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote in news:5ij5eiF3pq540U1
@mid.individual.net:
> Your lack of knowledge on this
> subject is laughable.
>
>
Add it to the long list of subjects already shown to be his achilles heel.
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| George Kerby 2007-08-17, 10:33 am |
|
On 8/16/07 2:41 PM, in article
elmop-66E7A6. 15414416082007@nntp1
.usenetserver.com, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> In article < 8io7c3pnk7b1l4o62blp
vknilkmgegelg1@4ax.com>,
> John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
>
>
> hmmmm, a brick can't make phone calls, can't browse the web, and is used
> to build buildings and the like.
>
> The iPhone isn't a brick.
>
Obvious to anyone except a brick-head.
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| james g. keegan jr. 2007-08-18, 10:33 pm |
| In article < 8io7c3pnk7b1l4o62blp
vknilkmgegelg1@4ax.com>,
John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:22:14 -0700, "Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote in
> <5gah66F3egadcU1@mid.individual.net>:
>
> Baloney yourself. The iPhone is a brick. My RAZR V3xx is slim and
> sleek, and the screen is superb.
you've never seen an iphone, have you?
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|
| In article <jgkeegan-D9F1F4. 19011318082007@indiv
idual.net>,
"james g. keegan jr." <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article < 8io7c3pnk7b1l4o62blp
vknilkmgegelg1@4ax.com>,
> John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
>
>
> you've never seen an iphone, have you?
James,
navas swears by his v3xx. He uses it to determine the signal strength,
att's coverage and so call "extended GSM" frequencies in the bay area.
He might be too mentally challange to use anything more than a number
pad, such as blackberry, smart phone, pda or iphone.
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| John Navas 2007-08-21, 10:33 pm |
| On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 02:52:17 GMT, sw <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in
<nospam-BC90A1. 21521618082007@newsc
lstr02.news.prodigy.com>:
>In article <jgkeegan-D9F1F4. 19011318082007@indiv
idual.net>,
> "james g. keegan jr." <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote:
I have.
[color=darkred]
>navas swears by his v3xx.
Yep.
>He uses it to determine the signal strength,
>att's coverage and so call "extended GSM" frequencies in the bay area.
Nope.
>He might be too mentally challange to use anything more than a number
>pad, such as blackberry, smart phone, pda or iphone.
Wrong on that too.
Grow up.
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|
| In article < 65rmc3h24s3gkbq7t75f
e4m5igcrldbj0m@4ax.com>,
John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 02:52:17 GMT, sw <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in
> <nospam-BC90A1. 21521618082007@newsc
lstr02.news.prodigy.com>:
>
>
>
> I have.
>
Yes, but you put your foot in your mouth pontificating about the iPhone
being a "brick" and then going silent when you got called on it.
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| In article < 65rmc3h24s3gkbq7t75f
e4m5igcrldbj0m@4ax.com>,
John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 02:52:17 GMT, sw <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in
> <nospam-BC90A1. 21521618082007@newsc
lstr02.news.prodigy.com>:
>
>
>
> I have.
>
>
> Yep.
>
>
> Nope.
>
>
> Wrong on that too.
>
> Grow up.
Is that the best you can do? Let's try again, how about a FAQ on
"Extended GSM"?
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| John Navas 2007-08-24, 4:33 am |
| On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:30:18 -0700, Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote
in <labolide-EEF36E.17301821082007@news.giganews.com>:
>In article < 65rmc3h24s3gkbq7t75f
e4m5igcrldbj0m@4ax.com>,
> John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
>
>
>Yes, but you put your foot in your mouth pontificating about the iPhone
>being a "brick" and then going silent when you got called on it.
Wrong on all counts.
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