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8 GB iPhone now $399!
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| Tinman 2007-09-05, 3:33 pm |
| Just announced. Yep, a $200 price drop!!!
--
Mike
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| Tinman 2007-09-05, 3:33 pm |
| "Tinman" wrote:
> Just announced. Yep, a $200 price drop!!!
>
11:12 am: "But we want to get even more aggressive with this. Take a look at
the iPhone. You know, the surveys are in: the customer satisfaction numbers
on the iPhone are off the charts. They're higher from iPhone owners than any
Apple product. Ever. They LOVE them. We want to make the iPhone even MORE
affordable for even more people."
"So we're going to do something about that today. We're on track to ship our
1 millionth iPhone this month -- to get ready for the holidays here's what
we're going to do. It's clear customers want the 8GB model -- it's not going
to sell for 599 anymore."
"Starting today effective immediately, we're pricing it at just $399." (HUGE
applause.)
--
Mike
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| Oxford 2007-09-05, 3:33 pm |
| "Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote:
> 11:12 am: "But we want to get even more aggressive with this. Take a look at
> the iPhone. You know, the surveys are in: the customer satisfaction numbers
> on the iPhone are off the charts. They're higher from iPhone owners than any
> Apple product. Ever. They LOVE them. We want to make the iPhone even MORE
> affordable for even more people."
>
> "So we're going to do something about that today. We're on track to ship our
> 1 millionth iPhone this month -- to get ready for the holidays here's what
> we're going to do. It's clear customers want the 8GB model -- it's not going
> to sell for 599 anymore."
>
> "Starting today effective immediately, we're pricing it at just $399." (HUGE
> applause.)
Yes, this is a killer body blow to Verizon, Nokia... there is no way in
HELL the can compete against the iPhone. It's almost like Steve was
opening his war chest and selling a phone with 90% more features for a
90% lower price. Nokia died today, that's for sure...
The 8GB iPhone at $399... spells the END of many a cell handset maker...
http://www.apple.com/iphone/
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| Tinman 2007-09-05, 3:33 pm |
| "Oxford" wrote:
> "Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote:
>
>
> Yes, this is a killer body blow to Verizon, Nokia... there is no way in
> HELL the can compete against the iPhone. It's almost like Steve was
> opening his war chest and selling a phone with 90% more features for a
> 90% lower price. Nokia died today, that's for sure...
>
> The 8GB iPhone at $399... spells the END of many a cell handset maker...
I am hoping they release a 16 GB model for $499. If so I'd buy it and give
my 8 GB to my wife. Actually, I might still buy another 8 GB if I can get it
cheaper than $399 (refurb).
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Mike
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| Tinman 2007-09-05, 3:33 pm |
| "Tinman" wrote:
>
> I am hoping they release a 16 GB model for $499. If so I'd buy it and give
> my 8 GB to my wife. Actually, I might still buy another 8 GB if I can get
> it cheaper than $399 (refurb).
Or I might get a left-over 4 GB model for the wife. Seems like they are
being blown out at $299, or less (the 4 GB iPhone has been discontinued).
--
Mike
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| Tinman wrote:
> Just announced. Yep, a $200 price drop!!!
Usually this big of a price drop means that a new model is coming and
they want to clear out inventory of the existing model, but I can't
believe a new model is on the way so soon after the first one.
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| karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net 2007-09-05, 3:33 pm |
| On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 12:18:24 -0700, "Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote:
>I am hoping they release a 16 GB model for $499. If so I'd buy it and give
>my 8 GB to my wife. Actually, I might still buy another 8 GB if I can get it
>cheaper than $399 (refurb).
The 4 Gig model is discontinued. Apparently some Apple stores have
better than $399 prices on any remaining stock.
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| karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net 2007-09-05, 3:33 pm |
| On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 12:33:41 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:
>Tinman wrote:
>
>Usually this big of a price drop means that a new model is coming and
>they want to clear out inventory of the existing model, but I can't
>believe a new model is on the way so soon after the first one.
Three factors are in play.
1. A price drop was planned from the beginning.
2. Economies of scale when
You make iPhones by the million, and you buy
many millions of the same parts for the new iPod Touch.
3. There will soon be a 16 Gig iPhone.
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| Tinman 2007-09-05, 3:33 pm |
| "SMS" wrote:
> Tinman wrote:
>
> Usually this big of a price drop means that a new model is coming and they
> want to clear out inventory of the existing model, but I can't believe a
> new model is on the way so soon after the first one.
They dropped the price because of the new iPod Touch. The Touch comes in 8
GB and 16 GB flavors and is $299 and $399 respectively. It looks very
similar to the iPhone, but lacks a phone (of course), Bluetooth, and
speaker/mike.
No "new" iPhone, but the 4 GB model has been dropped. I quoted "new" since I
would like to see a 16 GB iPhone (same as existing models, but with 16 GB).
Apple is also updating ITMS so that music may be purchased via WiFi. Tracks
purchased while on-the-go will get moved into iTunes on the desktop computer
during the next sync.
They have this coming to Starbucks: "If you're in a participating Starbucks,
the iTunes Wi-Fi Music Store on iPhone will have even more to offer. Tap the
Starbucks button to find out what song is playing in the café, then buy it
instantly. You can browse Starbucks playlists to discover new music while
waiting for your mocha. Access the millions of songs available in the iTunes
Store. No connection fee or login is required."
--
Mik
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| Tinman 2007-09-05, 3:33 pm |
| < karlkrandall@sbcglob
al.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 12:18:24 -0700, "Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote:
>
>
>
> The 4 Gig model is discontinued. Apparently some Apple stores have
> better than $399 prices on any remaining stock.
They better do better than $399! The price of remaining 4 GB iPhones is
already $299 at the online Apple Store.
--
Mike
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| Tinman wrote:
> They have this coming to Starbucks: "If you're in a participating Starbucks,
> the iTunes Wi-Fi Music Store on iPhone will have even more to offer. Tap the
> Starbucks button to find out what song is playing in the café, then buy it
> instantly. You can browse Starbucks playlists to discover new music while
> waiting for your mocha. Access the millions of songs available in the iTunes
> Store. No connection fee or login is required."
LOL, just be sure to buy some mediocre over-priced coffee-like beverage.
Now if they offered this at Peet's it'd be a different story!
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| Walter Bushell 2007-09-05, 3:33 pm |
| In article < 46df0447$0$27226$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> Tinman wrote:
>
> Usually this big of a price drop means that a new model is coming and
> they want to clear out inventory of the existing model, but I can't
> believe a new model is on the way so soon after the first one.
If I'd bought one earlier, I would be annoyed at paying too much. But
then, I'm not the type to rush out and pay the development cost of new
machines.
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| Tinman wrote:
> Just announced. Yep, a $200 price drop!!!
You knew this was coming after less than stellar sales of the iPhone.
There was an article in today's San Jose Mercury about how iPhone sales
have not met expectations. Clearly the price drop is an effort to jump
start sales. The margins were huge before, now they're just large. After
getting the big bucks from the young early adopters that simply must
have every new gadget as soon as it comes out they can now go after the
mainstream market. Bad news for Verizon!
The article is at: "http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_6804816"
Apple's been putting on a brave face about all this, just as Microsoft
did with Vista sales, but a 33% price drop this soon after launch of an
a product is unprecedented.
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| Tinman 2007-09-05, 3:33 pm |
| "SMS" wrote:
> Tinman wrote:
>
>
> LOL, just be sure to buy some mediocre over-priced coffee-like beverage.
> Now if they offered this at Peet's it'd be a different story!
Personally, I think every coffeehouse is overpriced. But I don't drink
coffee (nor tea).
I merely quoted a new blurb that appeared on Apple's Website today.
--
Mike
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| Todd Allcock 2007-09-05, 3:33 pm |
| At 05 Sep 2007 13:12:05 -0600 Oxford wrote:
> The 8GB iPhone at $399... spells the END of many a cell handset
maker...
>
> http://www.apple.com/iphone/
Am I forced to be the naysayer again?
Could it just possibly be that the only way they could sell the
million phones they promised to sell by Sept. 30 was to gut the price?
Yeah, I know, it's all part of the "Apple Masterplan..."
I appreciate the loyalty we've seen thrown around here, but in't
anyone angry that the $500-600 phone they bought less than two months
ago just dropped $200?
Does Apple/AT&T offer a thirty-day price protection? Many of you
might want to take advantage of it.
I know Apple is soooo different from all of those bourgeois
technology companies, but generally a price drop so quickly after a
product introduction is because of less than expected sales, or
"dumping" prior to a new model introduction (Personally, I suspect
the latter- Apple will likely introduce a 3G model shortly- there's
no way they can try and fob off an EDGE handset in Europe. Heck,
much of Europe leap-frogged right past EDGE into 3G, meaning the
first-gen iPhone will connect at a whopping 40k across much of
Europe!)
The pricing's getting closer- I'll take one to play with at $199!
Maybe the "masterplan" will allow that price point in another 60
days! ;-)
--
"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003
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| In article <proto-45B551.16044305092007@news.panix.com>,
Walter Bushell <proto@oanix.com> wrote:
> In article < 46df0447$0$27226$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>
> If I'd bought one earlier, I would be annoyed at paying too much. But
> then, I'm not the type to rush out and pay the development cost of new
> machines.
I bought a couple 4 gigs and have been happier than pie. Doesn't phase
me.
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| In article < 46df0ad3$0$27196$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> Tinman wrote:
>
>
> LOL, just be sure to buy some mediocre over-priced coffee-like beverage.
> Now if they offered this at Peet's it'd be a different story!
Peets and Starbucks aren't as good as Coffee Bean and Tea Leaf. Even the
pastries are better.I find Starbucks coffee too bitter. Peet's is better.
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| In article <5k8dtsF2jqerU1@mid.individual.net>, "Tinman" <ask@for.it>
wrote:
> "Tinman" wrote:
>
> Or I might get a left-over 4 GB model for the wife. Seems like they are
> being blown out at $299, or less (the 4 GB iPhone has been discontinued).
I chose a 4 gig over an 8 because I already have an 80 gig iPod. Don't
need all the added memory, even for photos.
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| Tinman 2007-09-05, 10:33 pm |
| "SMS" wrote:
> Tinman wrote:
>
> You knew this was coming after less than stellar sales of the iPhone.
Sales have been excellent. The price drop was planned from day-one.
> There was an article in today's San Jose Mercury about how iPhone sales
> have not met expectations.
The article was just a rehash of the "Phone outsells all smartphones in
July" story, nothing more.
It has been selling fine, the hype has stayed far longer than expected, and
they will now sell a ton of iPhones--which was obviously the plan from the
get-go. Anyone with an IQ above room temperature knew that the original
price-point was just to skim the cream from the top. They succeeded.
Don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger. I didn't think they could do it
either.
> Clearly the price drop is an effort to jump start sales.
Again, the price was dropped due to the introduction of the iPod Touch.
For some reason I get the impression this is driving you crazy. It's just a
device, no need to be on some crusade against it. If you don't like it,
don't read the iPhone threads.
--
Mike
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| karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net 2007-09-05, 10:33 pm |
| On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 13:01:37 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:
>Tinman wrote:
>
>
>LOL, just be sure to buy some mediocre over-priced coffee-like beverage.
>Now if they offered this at Peet's it'd be a different story!
One can sit in a parking lot outside a new McDonalds or Burger King
with WiFi, and glom onto their open networks with ease.
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| karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net 2007-09-05, 10:33 pm |
| On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 13:21:28 -0700, Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com>
wrote:
>In article < 46df0ad3$0$27196$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>
>Peets and Starbucks aren't as good as Coffee Bean and Tea Leaf. Even the
>pastries are better.I find Starbucks coffee too bitter. Peet's is better.
Thats why they provide Splenda, Equal and Saccharin. Any DUncan
Donuts have WiFi? Many do. Check Google for free WiFi in your
neighborhood. There's lots more free open WiFi out there than you may
realize.
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| karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net 2007-09-05, 10:33 pm |
| On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 13:13:41 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:
>Tinman wrote:
>
>You knew this was coming after less than stellar sales of the iPhone.
>There was an article in today's San Jose Mercury about how iPhone sales
>have not met expectations. Clearly the price drop is an effort to jump
>start sales. The margins were huge before, now they're just large. After
>getting the big bucks from the young early adopters that simply must
>have every new gadget as soon as it comes out they can now go after the
>mainstream market. Bad news for Verizon!
>
>The article is at: "http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_6804816"
>
>Apple's been putting on a brave face about all this, just as Microsoft
>did with Vista sales, but a 33% price drop this soon after launch of an
>a product is unprecedented.
Maybe last week's stories about a Zune phone had something
to do with the size of the price drop.
http://investing.reuters.co.uk/news...ryID=nN04415571
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WRLRjKCGHek
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| karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net 2007-09-05, 10:33 pm |
| On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 13:35:34 -0700, "Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote:
>"SMS" wrote:
>
>Sales have been excellent. The price drop was planned from day-one.
>
>
>
>The article was just a rehash of the "Phone outsells all smartphones in
>July" story, nothing more.
>
>It has been selling fine, the hype has stayed far longer than expected, and
>they will now sell a ton of iPhones--which was obviously the plan from the
>get-go. Anyone with an IQ above room temperature knew that the original
>price-point was just to skim the cream from the top. They succeeded.
>
>Don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger. I didn't think they could do it
>either.
>
>
Jump explode sales. Many folks had trouble getting online to Apple.com
do to the congestion. Unprecidented given Apple's server farms.
[color=darkred]
>
>Again, the price was dropped due to the introduction of the iPod Touch.
>
>
>For some reason I get the impression this is driving you crazy. It's just a
>device, no need to be on some crusade against it. If you don't like it,
>don't read the iPhone threads.
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| Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 05 Sep 2007 13:12:05 -0600 Oxford wrote:
>
>
> maker...
>
>
> Am I forced to be the naysayer again?
>
> Could it just possibly be that the only way they could sell the
> million phones they promised to sell by Sept. 30 was to gut the price?
<snip>
According to a news story in the San Jose Mercury, iPhone sales have not
been meeting expectations. There's a lot of margin in that $600 price,
and still plenty of margin in the $400 price. As you stated, the
impending launch of a 3G model may also be a reason for the huge price
drop, but jeez, after only two months?!
In any case, Apple did what they had to do, and making the early
adopters pay dearly for getting the device ahead of the masses is a
popular marketing technique, but once supply is plentiful it doesn't
work anymore if you want to take market penetration to the next level.
At $400 it's very tempting. I'd not sign up with AT&T anyway, but with
T-Mobile on their prepaid plan, so the lack of 3G isn't a big deal at
that price. Free Wi-Fi is pretty pervasive around the San Francisco Bay
Area, and paying occasionally for Wi-Fi in other areas is not a big deal.
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| Tinman wrote:
> "SMS" wrote:
>
> Personally, I think every coffeehouse is overpriced. But I don't drink
> coffee (nor tea).
Coffee is one of the world's healthiest beverages, so you might want to
change your ways.
See "http://nordicgroup.us/bikecoff/coffeesexhealth.html"
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| Tinman wrote:
> For some reason I get the impression this is driving you crazy.
Huh? I couldn't care less about the sales of the iPhone, meeting the
hype or not. Actually I do care somewhat, as I have a direct and
personal stake in Apple doing well. Steve Jobs has helped the causes I
believe in tremendously in the past year with their plan to open a
second campus in Cupertino.
I think they did the right thing by lowering the price to increase
sales. Remember, they get continuing revenue from AT&T, so it behooves
them to trade off a bit of initial profit for continuing revenue,
especially when the sales at the introductory prices haven't been as
good as predicted.
What's amusing is all the hand wringing and desperate rationalizations
as to why Apple would have had to have implemented such a huge price
decrease so soon after the introduction. I agree, it was part of the
plan...see how many you could sell at the higher prices, and if it's not
enough then drop the price to sell more.
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| karlkrandall@sbcglob
al.net wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 13:01:37 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> One can sit in a parking lot outside a new McDonalds or Burger King
> with WiFi, and glom onto their open networks with ease.
Careful....
"http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/052307-fine-using-free-wifi.html"
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| George Graves 2007-09-05, 10:33 pm |
| On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 13:24:11 -0700, Kurt wrote
(in article <labolide-DAF86C.13241105092007@news.giganews.com> ):
> In article <5k8dtsF2jqerU1@mid.individual.net>, "Tinman" <ask@for.it>
> wrote:
>
>
> I chose a 4 gig over an 8 because I already have an 80 gig iPod. Don't
> need all the added memory, even for photos.
>
>
If they'd only included a memory card slot....
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|
| George Graves wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 13:24:11 -0700, Kurt wrote
> (in article <labolide-DAF86C.13241105092007@news.giganews.com> ):
>
>
> If they'd only included a memory card slot....
8GB is really sufficient unless they were looking at GPS functionality
where a lot of memory is needed for maps. 4GB is a little low
considering the lack of an SD, mini-SD, or Micro-SD slot.
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| Peter Hayes 2007-09-05, 10:33 pm |
| Tinman <ask@for.it> wrote:
> "Tinman" wrote:
>
> 11:12 am: "But we want to get even more aggressive with this. Take a look at
> the iPhone. You know, the surveys are in: the customer satisfaction numbers
> on the iPhone are off the charts. They're higher from iPhone owners than any
> Apple product. Ever. They LOVE them. We want to make the iPhone even MORE
> affordable for even more people."
>
> "So we're going to do something about that today. We're on track to ship our
> 1 millionth iPhone this month -- to get ready for the holidays here's what
> we're going to do. It's clear customers want the 8GB model -- it's not going
> to sell for 599 anymore."
>
> "Starting today effective immediately, we're pricing it at just $399." (HUGE
> applause.)
If the thing is flying off the shelves why drop the price?
That's not normally Apple's style.
--
Immunity is better than innoculation.
Peter
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| Todd Allcock 2007-09-05, 10:33 pm |
| At 05 Sep 2007 11:44:49 -0700 Tinman wrote:
> "Starting today effective immediately, we're pricing it at just
> $399." (HUGE applause.)
I can only assume the "huge applause" was from those in the crowd who
hadn't just paid $599 for it a week ago... ;-)
--
"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003
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| Todd Allcock 2007-09-05, 10:33 pm |
| At 05 Sep 2007 12:40:02 -0700 Tinman wrote:
=20
> They dropped the price because of the new iPod Touch. The Touch
> comes in 8 GB and 16 GB flavors and is $299 and $399 respectively.
That makes a neat "cover story" but, if true, that means ne of two
things: a) Apple didn't know they'd be releasing the Touch at that
price point two months after releasing the iPhone (unlikely) or b)
they knew all that yet decided that it was worth the risk of
alienating their loyal fan base to soak the early adopters an extra
$200 for two lousy months.
The idea that such a hot selling product that is on target to hit it's=
sales projections needed a $200 drop is very suspicious, despite SJ's
magnanimous heartfelt desire to make it more affordable, being the
philanthropist that he is.
> It looks very=20
> similar to the iPhone, but lacks a phone (of course), Bluetooth,
> and speaker/mike.
The fact that that it isn't a phone should mean that it wouldn't
cannibalize iPhone sales except for those folks that were buying
iPhones to use w/o service, which, again, doesn't explain a $200 cut.
=20
> No "new" iPhone, but the 4 GB model has been dropped. I quoted "new"=
> since I would like to see a 16 GB iPhone (same as existing models,
> but with 16 GB).
That would make sense since it could restore the $499 or $599 price
point, and make Apple seem less desperate. =20
=20
> Apple is also updating ITMS so that music may be purchased via WiFi.=
> Tracks purchased while on-the-go will get moved into iTunes on the
> desktop computer during the next sync.
That's very cool. Frankly, that should've been done for the launch,
but it's very cool nonetheless.
> They have this coming to Starbucks: "If you're in a participating
> Starbucks, the iTunes Wi-Fi Music Store on iPhone will have even
more
> to offer. Tap the Starbucks button to find out what song is playing
in
> the caf=E9, then buy it instantly. You can browse Starbucks
playlists to discover new music while=20
> waiting for your mocha. Access the millions of songs available in
the
> iTunes Store. No connection fee or login is required."
Ouch- I wonder what T-Mobile thinks of that, since they operate their
Wi-Fi "Hotspots" service in Starbucks. I can picture the tears of
joy on the T-Mo Brass' faces when they see a bunch of AT&T cellular
customers buying Apple's product and downloading it over T-Mo's
broadband network! ;-) =20
--=20
"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures=20
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for=20
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with=20
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003=20
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| Todd Allcock 2007-09-05, 10:33 pm |
| At 05 Sep 2007 13:13:41 -0700 SMS wrote:
> Apple's been putting on a brave face about all this, just as
> Microsoft
> did with Vista sales, but a 33% price drop this soon after launch of
> an a product is unprecedented.
Nah, it's all part of Steve Jobs' master plan. Perhaps he's testing
the loyalty of his most fervent fan base to see what justifications
they'll offer up for not being P.O.'d they spent $200 more a few weeks
ago. Those who post most eloquently about why they're GLAD they had
the opportunity to pay $500 for a $300 item will attain high rank in
the Apple Corps.
--
"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003
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| Mark Thompson 2007-09-05, 10:33 pm |
| Todd Allcock < elecconnec@AmericaOn
Line.com> wrote:
>
> I can only assume the "huge applause" was from those in the crowd who
> hadn't just paid $599 for it a week ago... ;-)
but as usual, you are forgetting Apple takes care of its customers.
Should Apple reduce its price on any shipped product within 10 calendar
days of shipment, you may contact Apple Sales Support at 1-800-676-2775
to request a refund or credit of the difference between the price you
were charged and the current selling price. To receive the refund or
credit you must contact Apple within 14 business days of shipment.
http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/I...s.html#topic-15
todd, always clueless on anything related to Apple.
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| Tim Adams 2007-09-05, 10:33 pm |
| In article < 46df1871$0$27169$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> Todd Allcock wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> According to a news story in the San Jose Mercury, iPhone sales have not
> been meeting expectations.
That just doesn't make any sense, since (IIRC) Apple had announced plans to sell
1 million iPhones by the end of the year and they announced today that they
expect to reach that goal this month.
> There's a lot of margin in that $600 price,
> and still plenty of margin in the $400 price. As you stated, the
> impending launch of a 3G model may also be a reason for the huge price
> drop, but jeez, after only two months?!
>
> In any case, Apple did what they had to do, and making the early
> adopters pay dearly for getting the device ahead of the masses is a
> popular marketing technique, but once supply is plentiful it doesn't
> work anymore if you want to take market penetration to the next level.
>
> At $400 it's very tempting. I'd not sign up with AT&T anyway, but with
> T-Mobile on their prepaid plan, so the lack of 3G isn't a big deal at
> that price. Free Wi-Fi is pretty pervasive around the San Francisco Bay
> Area, and paying occasionally for Wi-Fi in other areas is not a big deal.
--
regarding Snit "You are not flamed because you speak the truth,
you are flamed because you are a hideous troll and keep disrupting
the newsgroup." Andrew J. Brehm
| |
| Michael Paris 2007-09-05, 10:33 pm |
|
> If the thing is flying off the shelves why drop the price?
>
> That's not normally Apple's style.
>
> --
>
> Immunity is better than innoculation.
>
> Peter
Because its not flying off the shelves as it was several months back, sales
have slowed significantly, mostly do to the fact the people who wanted it,
when out and got it, then there was a slower after rush of those who wanted
to jump on the bandwagon.
Now its a price point issue, people aren't willing to spend the $600 as they
were in June and July. It had to be lowered. They won't get a big rush
till they release it internationally.
I for one still won't get it for a few reason's, one I want 3g, two, I would
like more memory, 16gb would do it for me. And third and finally, I don't
want to lose my corporate discount on the other phones I have on my at&t
plan, I can live with it if it was just this one phone, but not on the the 3
others my family use, and they have media plans with them, so it is a big
difference in the bill.
| |
| Michael Paris 2007-09-05, 10:33 pm |
|
..
>
> Should Apple reduce its price on any shipped product within 10 calendar
> days of shipment, you may contact Apple Sales Support at 1-800-676-2775
> to request a refund or credit of the difference between the price you
> were charged and the current selling price. To receive the refund or
> credit you must contact Apple within 14 business days of shipment.
They won't, nor have they ever done anything like that, heck I bought iwork
on a Saturday, a few days later they released a new version, I would have
even agreed to a $20 upgrade with new disks shipped, but no. And that was
after calling Apple. So I called the local store where I got it, the
manager took pity, refunded my money and resold the newer version. This was
done on his authority and he himself done the right thing.
And this is with software, not hardware, every major software house so as
not to lose interm sales always upgrades with in a month or longer if you
bought software.
| |
| Oxford 2007-09-05, 10:33 pm |
| Todd Allcock < elecconnec@AmericaOn
Line.com> wrote:
> Nah, it's all part of Steve Jobs' master plan. Perhaps he's testing
> the loyalty of his most fervent fan base to see what justifications
> they'll offer up for not being P.O.'d they spent $200 more a few weeks
> ago. Those who post most eloquently about why they're GLAD they had
> the opportunity to pay $500 for a $300 item will attain high rank in
> the Apple Corps.
the people that have purchased the $599 iPhones love them and they spend
$200 just on dinner, so it's not a big issue for them. Sure the price
drop is rather large, $100 would have done it, but if they are to reach
the (internal) 10 million goal by Jan 1, 2008, this will surely seal the
deal.
Anyone that purchased an iPhone in the last 10 days is price protected,
so it's not as bad as it seems.
-
| |
| Larry 2007-09-05, 10:33 pm |
| George Graves <gmgraves2@comcast.net> wrote in
news:0001HW. C3046AFE04774CC0F018
2648@news.comcast.net:
> If they'd only included a memory card slot....
>
>
Once again, we're looking at a REVENUE machine for Apple and ATT, not a
convenient device for the users. If it had a memory card slot, you'd
want to put your pictures/music/ringtones/videos...all that stuff we're
going to SELL you...on the memory card out of your PC and into the
iPhone...bypassing the money machine!
That isn't gonna happen. This is a CELLPHONE, read that HOBBLED. The
hobbling is built right in...so you MUST use the "service", not your PC-
to-iPhone-direct-without-paying-us-ransom.
It's really too bad it doesn't have PORTS and STORAGE and ACCESS outside
the cellphone company's money machine. It's a nice unit, but it's
HOBBLED, as usual for a cellphone device.
Larry
--
Search youtube for "Depleted Uranium"
The ultimate dirty bomb......
| |
|
| Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 05 Sep 2007 13:13:41 -0700 SMS wrote:
>
>
>
> Nah, it's all part of Steve Jobs' master plan. Perhaps he's testing
> the loyalty of his most fervent fan base to see what justifications
> they'll offer up for not being P.O.'d they spent $200 more a few weeks
> ago. Those who post most eloquently about why they're GLAD they had
> the opportunity to pay $500 for a $300 item will attain high rank in
> the Apple Corps.
They all knew that the $600 price was inconsistent with Apple's sales
goals and market position goals. They're upset now, but they got
bragging rights about having the iPhone before their classmates.
| |
|
| Tim Adams wrote:
> That just doesn't make any sense, since (IIRC) Apple had announced plans to sell
> 1 million iPhones by the end of the year and they announced today that they
> expect to reach that goal this month.
Lots of companies intentionally set their sales target goals at levels
that they know they can easily reach, while privately planning and
hoping to far exceed those goals. It's an especially big problem when
you gear up production to levels that your pricing model doesn't
support. With the iPhone Apple played it safe, setting the initial price
at a high level with plenty of wiggle room to cut prices to boost volumes.
I think why you see so many angry early adopters is because no one
expected the prices to fall so dramatically after only two months. If it
was six months and $100, then it's easier to rationalize it, but clearly
drastic steps were needed and that's what happened.
| |
| Gene Jones 2007-09-05, 10:33 pm |
| Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> Once again, we're looking at a REVENUE machine for Apple and ATT, not a
> convenient device for the users. If it had a memory card slot, you'd
> want to put your pictures/music/ringtones/videos...all that stuff we're
> going to SELL you...on the memory card out of your PC and into the
> iPhone...bypassing the money machine!
>
> That isn't gonna happen. This is a CELLPHONE, read that HOBBLED. The
> hobbling is built right in...so you MUST use the "service", not your PC-
> to-iPhone-direct-without-paying-us-ransom.
>
> It's really too bad it doesn't have PORTS and STORAGE and ACCESS outside
> the cellphone company's money machine. It's a nice unit, but it's
> HOBBLED, as usual for a cellphone device.
Larry, your ignorance on how the iPhone works is showing again.
If you look at the bottom of any iPhone or iPod, you'll see a port, it
connects to terabytes of data, and syncs to it too! No need for a 1990's
memory slot when you have FULL access to large data storage devices like
on your Mac or PC.
All for FREE... no Cell Company is even involved... Kinda cool!
Someday you'll get an iPhone and see what everyone is so excited about.
You have far more storage ability with an iPhone or iPod than you to
with a typical smartphone, all for free! Damn COOL!
-
| |
| Gene Jones 2007-09-05, 10:33 pm |
| George Graves <gmgraves2@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> If they'd only included a memory card slot....
or a Floppy Drive! how stupid!
| |
| Oxford 2007-09-05, 10:33 pm |
| Todd Allcock < elecconnec@AmericaOn
Line.com> wrote:
>
> Am I forced to be the naysayer again?
>
> Could it just possibly be that the only way they could sell the
> million phones they promised to sell by Sept. 30 was to gut the price?
You haven't watched the Keynote yet. Steve said LONG before the $399
price was announced that they would hit the 1,000,000 number this month.
> Yeah, I know, it's all part of the "Apple Masterplan..."
>
> I appreciate the loyalty we've seen thrown around here, but in't
> anyone angry that the $500-600 phone they bought less than two months
> ago just dropped $200?
Nah, Apple people don't really care about money as much as you seem to.
They tend to be in the upper 10% of citizens in terms of education and
wealth so a $200 loss for a $500 productivity gain during those first 60
days is just a good investment.
> Does Apple/AT&T offer a thirty-day price protection? Many of you
> might want to take advantage of it.
Not sure about ATT, but Apple obviously does...
> I know Apple is soooo different from all of those bourgeois
> technology companies, but generally a price drop so quickly after a
> product introduction is because of less than expected sales, or
> "dumping" prior to a new model introduction (Personally, I suspect
> the latter- Apple will likely introduce a 3G model shortly- there's
> no way they can try and fob off an EDGE handset in Europe. Heck,
> much of Europe leap-frogged right past EDGE into 3G, meaning the
> first-gen iPhone will connect at a whopping 40k across much of
> Europe!)
You haven't watched the Keynote, so you really have no grounds to
comment. These are the "Christmas" pricing numbers. Love it or leave it.
> The pricing's getting closer- I'll take one to play with at $199!
> Maybe the "masterplan" will allow that price point in another 60
> days! ;-)
If you are poor, which it sounds like, $200 might be your entry point to
a more modern life. Apple is always gunning for lower prices, so this
isn't really that shocking of news. Apple is known as the low cost
leader for a reason.
Oh, and watch the Keynote! You might learn something!
http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.n...vent/index.html
-
| |
|
| In article < CLSdnVhVIarPrELbnZ2d
nUVZ_vShnZ2d@comcast
.com>,
"Michael Paris" <mparis27@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Because its not flying off the shelves as it was several months back, sales
> have slowed significantly, mostly do to the fact the people who wanted it,
> when out and got it, then there was a slower after rush of those who wanted
> to jump on the bandwagon.
>
> Now its a price point issue, people aren't willing to spend the $600 as they
> were in June and July. It had to be lowered. They won't get a big rush
> till they release it internationally.
>
> I for one still won't get it for a few reason's, one I want 3g, two, I would
> like more memory, 16gb would do it for me. And third and finally, I don't
> want to lose my corporate discount on the other phones I have on my at&t
> plan, I can live with it if it was just this one phone, but not on the the 3
> others my family use, and they have media plans with them, so it is a big
> difference in the bill.
Why would you possibly need 16gb? What are you intending to store on it?
I have over 6000 music CDs (yes, I'm a music addict) My 8GB ipod holds
most of what I want fine.
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To reply by email, remove the word "space"
| |
|
| In article <labolide-D38A05.17482605092007@news.giganews.com>,
Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:
> In article < CLSdnVhVIarPrELbnZ2d
nUVZ_vShnZ2d@comcast
.com>,
> "Michael Paris" <mparis27@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> Why would you possibly need 16gb? What are you intending to store on it?
> I have over 6000 music CDs (yes, I'm a music addict) My 8GB ipod holds
> most of what I want fine.
Correction- I have an 80GB iPod, but all the music I put on it at anyone
time is only about 7GB
I realize that you must bee a movie buff and would like to pack it for
trips, so 16 GB is not too unrealistic.
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| |
|
| In article < 46df3519$0$27199$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> Todd Allcock wrote:
>
> They all knew that the $600 price was inconsistent with Apple's sales
> goals and market position goals. They're upset now, but they got
> bragging rights about having the iPhone before their classmates.
You wish it were that way, but anyone tech savvy knew that there would
either be a new iPhone or a price reduction before the end of the year.
I certainly did. Still bought 2 because I can, and I've never been an
early adopter of any computer stuff. I still have G5 Macs in my office
(because they work well!).
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| Oxford 2007-09-05, 10:33 pm |
| SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> At $400 it's very tempting. I'd not sign up with AT&T anyway, but with
> T-Mobile on their prepaid plan, so the lack of 3G isn't a big deal at
> that price. Free Wi-Fi is pretty pervasive around the San Francisco Bay
> Area, and paying occasionally for Wi-Fi in other areas is not a big deal.
you can do the NON-contract thing with the iPhone, just enter:
999-99-9999 when prompted for your SNN, that will kick you in to GoPhone
mode... then it's month to month, no 2 year contract.
the 8GB are $349...
the 4GB are $299...
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APP...e.woa/wa/RSLID?
mco=3C893A33& nclm=Certified%20iPh
one
(or if the above link is expired: go to http://store.apple.com/ )
then click on the special deals button on the lower right...
---
| |
|
|
"Oxford" <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote in message
news:colalovesmacs-DAB481.18473905092007@mpls-nnrp-04.inet.qwest.net...
> Todd Allcock < elecconnec@AmericaOn
Line.com> wrote:
>
>
> You haven't watched the Keynote yet. Steve said LONG before the $399
> price was announced that they would hit the 1,000,000 number this month.
>
>
> Nah, Apple people don't really care about money as much as you seem to.
> They tend to be in the upper 10% of citizens in terms of education and
> wealth so a $200 loss for a $500 productivity gain during those first 60
> days is just a good investment.
Go to Apple discussions iPhone and read all the complaints. Apple is
trying to delete them as fast as they come in. I know I certainly am
pissed. I feel at the very least Apple owes me a free Applecare for iPhone
package as thanks for being an early iPhone buyer or discount coupons for
other Apple product purchases. And yes as one who buys almost every new
Apple product that comes out I consider myself one of the "Apple People"
| |
| Oxford 2007-09-05, 10:33 pm |
| SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> Lots of companies intentionally set their sales target goals at levels
> that they know they can easily reach, while privately planning and
> hoping to far exceed those goals. It's an especially big problem when
> you gear up production to levels that your pricing model doesn't
> support. With the iPhone Apple played it safe, setting the initial price
> at a high level with plenty of wiggle room to cut prices to boost volumes.
Apple will hit its internal goal of 10 million iPhones by Jan 1, 2008.
> I think why you see so many angry early adopters is because no one
> expected the prices to fall so dramatically after only two months. If it
> was six months and $100, then it's easier to rationalize it, but clearly
> drastic steps were needed and that's what happened.
And no, it's highly doubtful anyone that has an iPhone now is upset by
the price decrease, Apple users aren't of that ilk. They will be largely
excited since their friends can now join in on the excitement.
The price drop was only a $100 for half the users, then $200 for the
rest, Apple has a 10 day price protection policy, so I really doubt
you'll see anyone "upset". Apple customers don't work that way.
| |
| Oxford 2007-09-05, 10:33 pm |
| karlkrandall@sbcglob
al.net wrote:
> The 4 Gig model is discontinued. Apparently some Apple stores have
> better than $399 prices on any remaining stock.
yes, $299! grab them while you can...
http://store.apple.com/
click on the special deals link on the lower right...
| |
| Tim Adams 2007-09-05, 10:33 pm |
| In article <colalovesmacs-39D96F.18591305092007@mpls-nnrp-04.inet.qwest.net>,
Oxford <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote:
> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Apple will hit its internal goal of 10 million iPhones by Jan 1, 2008.
>
>
> And no, it's highly doubtful anyone that has an iPhone now is upset by
> the price decrease, Apple users aren't of that ilk.
Actually some of us are! I'm pissed that the price drop cam so soon after the
release, a mere 2 months. If it had been 6-8 months I really wouldn't have
cared. I got that same message from a co-worker who also has an iPhone.
> They will be largely
> excited since their friends can now join in on the excitement.
>
> The price drop was only a $100 for half the users, then $200 for the
> rest, Apple has a 10 day price protection policy, so I really doubt
> you'll see anyone "upset". Apple customers don't work that way.
--
regarding Snit "You are not flamed because you speak the truth,
you are flamed because you are a hideous troll and keep disrupting
the newsgroup." Andrew J. Brehm
| |
| Todd Allcock 2007-09-05, 10:33 pm |
| At 05 Sep 2007 16:01:17 -0700 SMS wrote:
> They all knew that the $600 price was inconsistent with Apple's
sales
> goals and market position goals.
I recall those that called the $220 "tear-down" manufacturing cost
estimates crazy. Now that the MSRP of the 4GB unit is $299, that
estimate seems in line with reality now, unless they believe Apple's
dumping units below cost.
> They're upset now, but they got bragging rights about having the
> iPhone before their classmates.
And they'll do it all again when the iPhone Nano/Micro/Pico or
whatever comes out...
--
"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003
| |
| Todd Allcock 2007-09-05, 10:33 pm |
| At 05 Sep 2007 22:54:12 +0000 Larry wrote:
> Once again, we're looking at a REVENUE machine for Apple and ATT,
not a
> convenient device for the users. If it had a memory card slot,
you'd
> want to put your pictures/music/ringtones/videos...all that stuff
we're
> going to SELL you...on the memory card out of your PC and into the
> iPhone...bypassing the money machine!
You can "sideload" the iPhone from your PC via USB (but not
bluetooth.)
> That isn't gonna happen. This is a CELLPHONE, read that HOBBLED.
The
> hobbling is built right in...so you MUST use the "service", not
your PC-
> to-iPhone-direct-without-paying-us-ransom.
Again, dead wrong. The iPhone can transfer videos, photos, and music
to and fro a PC without limitation (except for playback format
considerations, but the iTunes software handles all that for you.)
> It's really too bad it doesn't have PORTS and STORAGE and ACCESS
outside
> the cellphone company's money machine.
It's called USB- like virtually every other media player has.
> It's a nice unit, but it's
> HOBBLED, as usual for a cellphone device.
It's hobbled in some ways (BT, AFAIK, is for headsets only- no
tethering, no GPS) but it transfers freely via USB.
But despite the fact you've been told that many times now, you'll
forget/ignore it because it doesn't fit your pre-concieved notions.
--
"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003
| |
| Todd Allcock 2007-09-05, 10:33 pm |
| At 05 Sep 2007 17:43:38 -0600 Gene Jones wrote:
> If you look at the bottom of any iPhone or iPod, you'll see a port,
it
> connects to terabytes of data, and syncs to it too! No need for a
1990's
> memory slot when you have FULL access to large data storage devices
like
> on your Mac or PC.
So, having USB only is preferable to both USB AND a slot?
Wow, Ox, with the iPhone less IS more! I'll bet those memory slots
eat batteries too, just like Macromedia Flash players!
> You have far more storage ability with an iPhone or iPod than you
to
> with a typical smartphone
Which "typical smartphone" CAN'T connect to a PC for "terabytes of
data" or to sync? That's pretty much a standard feature with
smartphones. Even for some "dumb" ones.
Many "typical smartphones" can even do it without a "1990's" sync
cable...
--
"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003
| |
| Todd Allcock 2007-09-05, 10:33 pm |
| At 05 Sep 2007 18:39:49 -0400 Tim Adams wrote:
> That just doesn't make any sense, since (IIRC) Apple had announced
> plans to sell
> 1 million iPhones by the end of the year...
The end of Apple's FISCAL year...
> and they announced today that they
> expect to reach that goal this month.
....which ends Sept. 30.
--
"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003
| |
| Todd Allcock 2007-09-05, 10:33 pm |
| At 05 Sep 2007 16:49:38 -0600 Oxford wrote:
>
>
> the people that have purchased the $599 iPhones love them and they
> spend $200 just on dinner, so it's not a big issue for them.
Congrats- that ought to get you the rank of Major, at least! ;-)
> Sure the price
> drop is rather large, $100 would have done it, but if they are to
> reach the (internal) 10 million goal by Jan 1, 2008, this will
surely
> seal the deal.
I suspect the only way they could meet their goal of shipping a
million by 9/30 was to dump a huge load on AT&T (which, unlike units
shipped to Apple stores, count as "sales" for Apple) and the only way
AT&T would agree to carry that much inventory was with a drastic
price reduction because THEY don't want to sit on excess inventory.
> Anyone that purchased an iPhone in the last 10 days is price
> protected, so it's not as bad as it seems.
Unless you bought it 11 days ago!
Ten whole days, huh? Most retailers give you at least 15, if not 30.
Nice way to treat your loyal fanbase, SJ!
--
"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003
| |
| Todd Allcock 2007-09-05, 10:33 pm |
| At 05 Sep 2007 16:30:14 -0600 Mark Thompson wrote:
> but as usual, you are forgetting Apple takes care of its customers.
>
> Should Apple reduce its price on any shipped product within 10
> calendar days of shipment, you may contact Apple Sales Support at
> 1-800-676-2775
> to request a refund or credit of the difference between the price
> you were charged and the current selling price.
TEN whole days! Wow!
That's insulting, frankly. Most retailers extend the price
protection timeframe to equal the return period, if only to prevent
"phantom returns" (returns followed by a subsequent repurchase to get
the lower price.) Since Apple has a 14-day return policy, those
caught between 10-14 days can return/rebuy (eating that generous 10%
restocking fee, of course, but what's $60 to save $200!)
> todd, always clueless on anything related to Apple.
Apple is apparently clueless about providing excellent customer
service. Love your iPhone all you want, Oxy, but this stinks like 10-
14 day old fish.
(Hey Ox- do you count all of your aliases when you count the number
of people you know with iPhones?)
--
"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003
| |
| Kevin Weaver 2007-09-05, 10:33 pm |
| "Oxford" <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote in message
news:colalovesmacs-5F0983.19002205092007@mpls-nnrp-04.inet.qwest.net...
> karlkrandall@sbcglob
al.net wrote:
>
>
> yes, $299! grab them while you can...
>
> http://store.apple.com/
>
> click on the special deals link on the lower right...
They must not be meeting there sales goals. I could care less about a 299
price. Like I said, They could not give me one.
| |
|
| Tim Adams wrote:
> Actually some of us are! I'm pissed that the price drop cam so soon after the
> release, a mere 2 months. If it had been 6-8 months I really wouldn't have
> cared. I got that same message from a co-worker who also has an iPhone.
Yes, I think the reason so many people are so upset is not because of
the price cut per se, but that it came so soon after launch, and because
it was so large. A $100 price cut just in time for the Xmas buying
season wouldn't have been so upsetting to most of them. Still, Apple is
under no obligation to its early adopters to keep prices so high that it
hurts their sales. They did what they had to do given the declining
demand for a $600 iPhone. At $400, they've opened up the market to a lot
more people.
| |
| Reality 2007-09-05, 10:33 pm |
|
"Oxford" <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote in message
news:colalovesmacs-39D96F.18591305092007@mpls-nnrp-04.inet.qwest.net...
>
> And no, it's highly doubtful anyone that has an iPhone now is upset by
> the price decrease, Apple users aren't of that ilk. They will be largely
> excited since their friends can now join in on the excitement.
>
> The price drop was only a $100 for half the users, then $200 for the
> rest, Apple has a 10 day price protection policy, so I really doubt
> you'll see anyone "upset". Apple customers don't work that way.
No, average Apple users aren't all like the TOTAL idiot fanboi you are...
YOU - completely blind to reality - lockstep spouting the Apple is everything mantra.
Bottom line is that you were snookered by the Apple flavored KoolAid.
Every post shows just what an idiot you really are.
The reality is that these people are getting XXXXed. They know it and they WILL react.
Only the ignorant fanbois like YOU are too blind to see reality. Apple is
scrambling to cover the HYPE they spewed. And the BS is wearing thin.
EDGE - bullshit
No interchangeable battery - bullshit
AT&T - REAL bullshit
No GPS - bullshit
Closed system - bullshit
There are MANY more, but anyone with a fraction of a brain wouldn't
buy off on the hype for one second. Flashy interface - not much else.
Not even a very good phone.
Here's the deal - if you (and your ilk) would praise the thing, it's one thing.
Great, you like your phone - more power to 'ya... Opinion noted.
But - to make insane, wild statements like Nokia and Verizon are dead and
on and on with more of the same total horseshit shows TOTAL ignorance
on your part and frankly makes anything you say suspect.
| |
| Todd Allcock 2007-09-05, 10:33 pm |
| At 05 Sep 2007 18:47:39 -0600 Oxford wrote:
> You haven't watched the Keynote yet. Steve said LONG before the
> $399 price was announced that they would hit the 1,000,000 number
this
> month.
I'm sure he did. And since they were likely to miss the stated goal,
the price drop was probably designed to ensure ol' SJ doesn't have
egg on his face. The question is really how much goodwill did Apple
squander to insure that goal. A $100 drop probably wouldn't faze many,
but $200 is a significant drop for a $500 device!
> Nah, Apple people don't really care about money as much as you seem
> to. They tend to be in the upper 10% of citizens in terms of
education
> and wealth so a $200 loss for a $500 productivity gain during those
> first 60
> days is just a good investment.
People who have money get just as upset getting screwed over as folks
who don't. Often more so. (I know I do!)
>
>
> Not sure about ATT, but Apple obviously does...
No, as you pointed out they have a 10-day protection, as well as a 14-
day
return privilege.
> You haven't watched the Keynote, so you really have no grounds to
> comment. These are the "Christmas" pricing numbers. Love it or
> leave it.
I'll leave it, thanks all the same.
>
> If you are poor, which it sounds like, $200 might be your entry
> point to a more modern life.
No, it's just that $200 is about my upper limit for buying a pure toy
to play with that adds no value to my life or work. NOT spending
hundreds of dollars on the latest bright shiny object is one of the
reasons I'm not "poor."
> Apple is always gunning for lower prices, so this
> isn't really that shocking of news. Apple is known as the low cost
> leader for a reason.
Again, how may moons orbit the planet you post from? Here on Earth,
Apple is the ONLY MP3 manufacturer with the stones to charge $79 for
a player with no display... The "low price leader" at work!
> Oh, and watch the Keynote! You might learn something!
>
> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.n...vent/index.html
Maybe when I get a chance to get to a PC. My phone can only play
_standard_ video formats like WMV, AVI, MPG (1, 2 and 4)- not
proprietary pseudo-standards like Quicktime... ;-)
Wall Street must have loved it, however- the NASDAQ is down 0.92%,
while AAPL dropped
5.13%, down 7.40 to 136.70.
--
"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003
| |
| Mitch 2007-09-05, 10:33 pm |
| In article < Xns99A2C15EAFA7Bnoon
ehomecom@208.49.80.253>, Larry
<noone@home.com> wrote:
> George Graves <gmgraves2@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:0001HW. C3046AFE04774CC0F018
2648@news.comcast.net:
>
>
> Once again, we're looking at a REVENUE machine for Apple and ATT, not a
> convenient device for the users. If it had a memory card slot, you'd
> want to put your pictures/music/ringtones/videos...all that stuff we're
> going to SELL you...on the memory card out of your PC and into the
> iPhone...bypassing the money machine!
>
> That isn't gonna happen. This is a CELLPHONE, read that HOBBLED. The
> hobbling is built right in...so you MUST use the "service", not your PC-
> to-iPhone-direct-without-paying-us-ransom.
>
> It's really too bad it doesn't have PORTS and STORAGE and ACCESS outside
> the cellphone company's money machine. It's a nice unit, but it's
> HOBBLED, as usual for a cellphone device.
That's an ignorant statement -- it is, in fact, one of the things that
has been so typical of the cell industry so far which you might look to
Apple to help change.
I'm not saying Apple is going to make each specific revenue method
disapper, but that what you are complaining about is what was going on
BEFORE the iPhone, and that this might be the opening to make the
complaints about those other companies.
Right now, Apple and the Linux-based units are your only advocates in
doing things differently. Don't bite and snap at them.
| |
|
| Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 05 Sep 2007 16:01:17 -0700 SMS wrote:
>
> sales
>
> I recall those that called the $220 "tear-down" manufacturing cost
> estimates crazy. Now that the MSRP of the 4GB unit is $299, that
> estimate seems in line with reality now, unless they believe Apple's
> dumping units below cost.
I think that cost excluded stuff like labor and packaging, and of course
it didn't include development costs, marketing, etc. Also, apparently
Apple has built far more units than was originally thought, so the unit
cost was probably even lower.
The $299 for the 4GB is probably just to clear them out, they are
probably losing money on them if you spread the burden of development
and marketing costs across all units sold.
At $400 it's still selling at a good margin for consumer electronics,
not even counting the monthly fees Apple gets if the buyer activates on
AT&T. Kudos to Apple for their shrewd marketing!
I think that Apple is also looking at boosting sales volumes because it
gives them more leverage when negotiating deals with carriers in other
countries. Probably a CDMA version for Korea and a PHS version for Japan
are in the works. They'll need the CDMA version anyway, once the
exclusive arrangement with AT&T is over.
[Copied to alt.cellular.attws. Cingular is no longer in operation, and
alt.cellular.attws is the proper venue for discussions regarding
wireless service from AT&T]
| |
| Steve de Mena 2007-09-05, 10:33 pm |
| SMS wrote:
> George Graves wrote:
>
> 8GB is really sufficient
Says WHO? You say it is sufficient and that's supposed to be
sufficient for anyone but yourself?
Steve
| |
|
| In article <1i3znqj. 146mjcm1qge31rN%noti
nuse2@btinternet.com>,
notinuse2@btinternet
.com (Peter Hayes) wrote:
> Tinman <ask@for.it> wrote:
>
>
> If the thing is flying off the shelves why drop the price?
>
> That's not normally Apple's style.
Actually, it is. Maybe not so much with the Mac, where Apple has carved
out a high-end niche. But Apple has, for instance, been extremely
aggressive with iPod pricing and features despite the fact that the iPod
hasn't apparently been in any real danger. In its consumer electronics
markets, Apple is clearly targeting volume rather than per-unit profits.
While I'm sure the iPhone was selling very well for a phone in its price
range (indeed, it was apparently outselling significantly cheaper smart
phones), most of the potential market for a media player phone is not
willing to spend $600. $400, on the other hand, is a price a lot of
people have been willing to pay for an iPod.
--
"That's George Washington, the first president, of course. The interesting thing
about him is that I read three--three or four books about him last year. Isn't
that interesting?"
- George W. Bush to reporter Kai Diekmann, May 5, 2006
| |
|
| In article < 46df6785$0$28878$4c3
68faf@roadrunner.com>,
Steve de Mena <steven@stevedemena.com> wrote:
> SMS wrote:
>
> Says WHO? You say it is sufficient and that's supposed to be
> sufficient for anyone but yourself?
Given the average sale price of an iPod, it's clear the sales tend to
skew toward nanos and shuffles, all of which have 8 GB or less. This
suggests that 8 GB is sufficient for most buyers.
--
"That's George Washington, the first president, of course. The interesting thing
about him is that I read three--three or four books about him last year. Isn't
that interesting?"
- George W. Bush to reporter Kai Diekmann, May 5, 2006
| |
|
| Steve de Mena wrote:
>
> Says WHO? You say it is sufficient and that's supposed to be sufficient
> for anyone but yourself?
Cute how you clipped off the rest of the sentence. Nothing like taking
something totally out of context!
| |
| Mitch 2007-09-05, 10:33 pm |
| In article <ByJDi.81958$EK3.79650@fe107.usenetserver.com>, Todd Allcock
< elecconnec@AmericaOn
Line.com> wrote:
> Maybe when I get a chance to get to a PC. My phone can only play
> _standard_ video formats like WMV, AVI, MPG (1, 2 and 4)- not
> proprietary pseudo-standards like Quicktime... ;-)
I don't want to believe anyone is so STUPID as to believe WMV or AVI
are 'standard' formats!
If those are, QuickTime is much more so, since it's a wrapper (and more
like AVI). WMV isn't standard in any way anywhere -- it's more
proprietary than ANY other kind!
Why do things like "my device comes with the ability to play this
format) often get translated in some people to "this format must be the
standard format for everyone else to use, also."
| |
| Oxford 2007-09-05, 10:33 pm |
| "Reality" <reality@sucks.dontit.net> wrote:
>
>
> No, average Apple users aren't all like the TOTAL idiot fanboi you are...
I've never been accused of being a fanboi, I'm just a reality kinda guy.
> YOU - completely blind to reality - lockstep spouting the Apple is everything
> mantra.
> Bottom line is that you were snookered by the Apple flavored KoolAid.
snookered by using a great device 60 days prior to anyone else in the
world? hardly.
> Every post shows just what an idiot you really are.
did you type that in a mirror? you aren't talking about me with a
comment like that.
> The reality is that these people are getting XXXXed. They know it and they
> WILL react.
no they won't, they will simply tell their friends to go out and get an
iPhone sooner than later. This moves up iPhone demand by 30% or more.
> Only the ignorant fanbois like YOU are too blind to see reality. Apple is
> scrambling to cover the HYPE they spewed. And the BS is wearing thin.
What? It seems you are upset by a price decrease? Why? Why?
> EDGE - bullshit
I use 802.11, much faster than 3G!
> No interchangeable battery - bullshit
What? When did that happen? The iPhone battery is fully replaceable, and
costs around $20... big whoop!
> AT&T - REAL bullshit
Seems to work quite well, and your problem is?
> No GPS - bullshit
You got one RIGHT! Congratulations!
> Closed system - bullshit
It's not closed at all, something called the "world wide web" was
developed from the OS inside the iPhone, perhaps you have heard of it?
> There are MANY more, but anyone with a fraction of a brain wouldn't
> buy off on the hype for one second. Flashy interface - not much else.
> Not even a very good phone.
Why so angry? Don't you like quality products?
> Here's the deal - if you (and your ilk) would praise the thing, it's one
> thing.
> Great, you like your phone - more power to 'ya... Opinion noted.
>
> But - to make insane, wild statements like Nokia and Verizon are dead and
> on and on with more of the same total horseshit shows TOTAL ignorance
> on your part and frankly makes anything you say suspect.
But you have to keep in mind Nokia and Verizon have NO ABILITY to
compete against a huge, rich, talented company like Apple. Those
companies will become the UNIVAC, and Sperry of the Cell Phone world.
Those companies LOST THEIR FUTURE today, not much you can do about it at
this point.
They are as good as DEAD.
So sit down, get some popcorn and watch what happened today... You'll
sound foolish until you see the Keynote...
http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.n...vent/index.html
-
| |
| Oxford 2007-09-05, 10:33 pm |
| "Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote:
>
> I am hoping they release a 16 GB model for $499. If so I'd buy it and give
> my 8 GB to my wife. Actually, I might still buy another 8 GB if I can get it
> cheaper than $399 (refurb).
Yeah, I've been thinking the same thing all day... probably before Xmas
we'll see it... even a 32GB would be fun at $599...
bottom line however is samsungs ability to get yields up... and 16GB
sdram? is there such a thing... yet? (hum...)
| |
| Tim Smith 2007-09-06, 4:33 am |
| In article <znu-369D83.22541805092007@news.individual.net>,
ZnU <znu@fake.invalid> wrote:
> While I'm sure the iPhone was selling very well for a phone in its price
> range (indeed, it was apparently outselling significantly cheaper smart
> phones), most of the potential market for a media player phone is not
> willing to spend $600. $400, on the other hand, is a price a lot of
> people have been willing to pay for an iPod.
Besides getting the market that would pay $400 but not $600, this price
drop also gets some the market that would have bought one at $600, but
was waiting until their contracts with their current phone company are
up. $400 plus the contract cancellation fee will be around $600 for
many people. Now, I think, a lot of those people will jump, rather than
wait for the contracts to run out.
--
--Tim Smith
| |
| Reality 2007-09-06, 4:33 am |
|
"Oxford" <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote in message
news:colalovesmacs-C3DE2A.21164005092007@mpls-nnrp-04.inet.qwest.net...
>
> But you have to keep in mind Nokia and Verizon have NO ABILITY to
> compete against a huge, rich, talented company like Apple. Those
> companies will become the UNIVAC, and Sperry of the Cell Phone world.
>
> Those companies LOST THEIR FUTURE today, not much you can do about it at
> this point.
>
> They are as good as DEAD.
>
Just the above statement shows how totally blinded you are by either the hype or by
simple clueless stupidity.
Idiotic, wildassed statements that have NO basis in reality.
(The reality is actually the exact opposite).
Do you honestly thing Apple is bigger than VZW??
Apple market cap = 118.93B
VZW market cap = 121.76B
(this is just VZW - NOT VZ as a whole)
YOU are a completer moron for posting such utter bullshit...
Verizon will continue to grow steadily, just like it has. The iphone is no more than
a small blip on the radar. All during the iPhone hype, VZW has continued to grow just fine.
And will keep doing so, no matter what fiction you care to delude yourself with.
Come back with your tail between your legs a year from now and see what crap you spewed.
| |
| Mark Crispin 2007-09-06, 4:33 am |
| On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Reality wrote:
> EDGE - bullshit
> No interchangeable battery - bullshit
> AT&T - REAL bullshit
> No GPS - bullshit
> Closed system - bullshit
To this, I can add that underwhelming 320x480 screen resolution. The
screen on my Sony UX series handheld computer is not much larger (4.5"
diagonal) in physical size, but has a respectable 1024x600 resolution.
Thus, I can actually view a web page without having to zoom in and out
the way people do on iPhone. My jaw was dropping watching an iPhone user
continually zooming in to read something, then zooming out to see the
page.
I can't imagine using a 320x480 screen to view photographs on a regular
basis.
Yes, it's cool to have one device that is your phone and your network
access. Safari is undoubtably a better experience than WAP. But how long
are you going to put up with constantly having to zoom in and zoom out
when web surfing?
Now, granted, the UX is a bit heavier (largely due to the hard drive, the
slide over keyboard, and the ports) and costs a lot more than an iPhone;
but the UX is a full-fledged Windows Vista computer with 40GB of storage.
I can download and run any Windows software that I want on it. I don't
have to deal with Safari; I can run IE or Firefox (I even gave up on
Safari on my Mac because it sucks so badly compared to Firefox).
Thanks to Skype, I can even make phone calls on the UX, although I'd want
to do that in WLAN mode and not WWAN... ;-)
Even better, it's unlockable; it comes with an AT&T SIM card and it's
initially locked to AT&T, but a simple phone call to Sony and they'll give
you the unlock code for free. Then you can go to T-Mobile or whomever.
The point isn't that the UX is better than an iPhone; of course it is and
the price reflects that. The point is that the iPhone could have been
MUCH better at its price point, but it isn't.
Another BIG problem with iPhone is the lack of integration with office
tools. This is Blackberry's forte, and you could hear the loud sighs of
relief from RIM when it became clear that iPhone was hopeless in the
market where Blackberry dominates.
iPhone might have been interesting if it had a good mail client. Alas,
iPhone continues the tradition, from mobile phones in general and Apple in
particular, of utter cluelessness on how to do Internet mail (note that
Blackberry does Exchange, not Internet mail) and how to comply with RFCs.
In my opinion, iPhone is destined to become another Newton. There will be
a few more models before they get it right, but eventually it'll get
killed off by better competition (Gphone, maybe even Zphone).
The real competitor will come from within Apple: the new iPod touch, which
is everything the iPhone is except for the phone part. $100 is a hefty
premium to pay to add phone capability and nearly 4mm of thickness.
You can get a nice little GSM quad-band phone with a much less unpleasant
service contract for considerably less than $100.
-- Mark --
http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.
| |
| IMHO IIRC 2007-09-06, 4:33 am |
| In news:znu-932C1B.23062605092007@news.individual.net,
ZnU <znu@fake.invalid> typed:
> In article < 46df6785$0$28878$4c3
68faf@roadrunner.com>,
> Steve de Mena <steven@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>
>
> Given the average sale price of an iPod, it's clear the sales tend to
> skew toward nanos and shuffles, all of which have 8 GB or less. This
> suggests that 8 GB is sufficient for most buyers.
That takes care of the music. Now add Pictures, Videos, Memos, Reports,
Spreadsheets, etc.
| |
| Oxford 2007-09-06, 4:33 am |
| Todd Allcock < elecconnec@AmericaOn
Line.com> wrote:
> I suspect the only way they could meet their goal of shipping a
> million by 9/30 was to dump a huge load on AT&T (which, unlike units
> shipped to Apple stores, count as "sales" for Apple) and the only way
> AT&T would agree to carry that much inventory was with a drastic
> price reduction because THEY don't want to sit on excess inventory.
yeah, but apple doesn't stuff channels... they stopped that practice
over 9 years ago. they only do JIT inventory.
>
> Unless you bought it 11 days ago!
>
> Ten whole days, huh? Most retailers give you at least 15, if not 30.
> Nice way to treat your loyal fanbase, SJ!
well, 14 days is the full grace period.
| |
| Mark Thompson 2007-09-06, 4:33 am |
| Todd Allcock < elecconnec@AmericaOn
Line.com> wrote:
>
> TEN whole days! Wow!
>
> That's insulting, frankly. Most retailers extend the price
> protection timeframe to equal the return period, if only to prevent
> "phantom returns" (returns followed by a subsequent repurchase to get
> the lower price.) Since Apple has a 14-day return policy, those
> caught between 10-14 days can return/rebuy (eating that generous 10%
> restocking fee, of course, but what's $60 to save $200!)
they'll do up to 30 days, you just have to ask.
>
> Apple is apparently clueless about providing excellent customer
> service. Love your iPhone all you want, Oxy, but this stinks like 10-
> 14 day old fish.
nah, they'll treat you right, customer is always king with apple.
> (Hey Ox- do you count all of your aliases when you count the number
> of people you know with iPhones?)
???? i personally know 14 people with iphones, (mainly my clients) added
2 more today because of the price drop! so now it's 16... how many do
you know? more? less?
| |
| Oxford 2007-09-06, 4:33 am |
| "Michael Paris" <mparis27@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> They won't, nor have they ever done anything like that, heck I bought iwork
> on a Saturday, a few days later they released a new version, I would have
> even agreed to a $20 upgrade with new disks shipped, but no. And that was
> after calling Apple. So I called the local store where I got it, the
> manager took pity, refunded my money and resold the newer version. This was
> done on his authority and he himself done the right thing.
so apple did the right thing. what is your point?
> And this is with software, not hardware, every major software house so as
> not to lose interm sales always upgrades with in a month or longer if you
> bought software.
yes, apple doesn't do that, so you get 1 point.
| |
|
| "Oxford" <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote in message
news:colalovesmacs-D7A0DB.21191205092007@mpls-nnrp-04.inet.qwest.net...
> "Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote:
>
>
> Yeah, I've been thinking the same thing all day... probably before Xmas
> we'll see it... even a 32GB would be fun at $599...
>
> bottom line however is samsungs ability to get yields up... and 16GB
> sdram? is there such a thing... yet? (hum...)
sdram oxford? :D
| |
| Oxford 2007-09-06, 4:33 am |
| Todd Allcock < elecconnec@AmericaOn
Line.com> wrote:
> At 05 Sep 2007 18:47:39 -0600 Oxford wrote:
>
> this
>
> I'm sure he did. And since they were likely to miss the stated goal,
> the price drop was probably designed to ensure ol' SJ doesn't have
> egg on his face. The question is really how much goodwill did Apple
> squander to insure that goal. A $100 drop probably wouldn't faze many,
> but $200 is a significant drop for a $500 device!
not sure where you are getting this... he said by the end of the "year"
meaning 2007, not apple's fiscal year, so he is way above projection.
i'm sure it's possible he said what you are saying, but if you could
cite where he said "by the end of apple's fiscal year" that would help
your argument.
> education
>
> People who have money get just as upset getting screwed over as folks
> who don't. Often more so. (I know I do!)
yeah, but I've sold about 9 iphones so far and not even a whimper from
any of them. they love the phone, the cost really isn't the issue.
>
> No, as you pointed out they have a 10-day protection, as well as a 14-
> day
> return privilege.
yes, but I don't know how it works with ATT, the terms, etc...
>
> I'll leave it, thanks all the same.
nah, you really should watch it, it's one of the better keynotes of all
time... skip the first 20 minutes if you want, but watch the middle,
you'll be thankful you did. very entertaining...
http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.n...vent/index.html
>
> No, it's just that $200 is about my upper limit for buying a pure toy
> to play with that adds no value to my life or work. NOT spending
> hundreds of dollars on the latest bright shiny object is one of the
> reasons I'm not "poor."
since it's classified as a powerful business tool, you don't know what
you are talking about. have you even used an iPhone? (for the 3rd time)
>
> Again, how may moons orbit the planet you post from? Here on Earth,
> Apple is the ONLY MP3 manufacturer with the stones to charge $79 for
> a player with no display... The "low price leader" at work!
yeah, but you gotta admit the shuffle makes plenty of sense in several
situations. it's a little music clip with 240 interchangeable songs, or
kinda like carrying 16 CDs around in less than an ounce. quite decent.
>
> Maybe when I get a chance to get to a PC. My phone can only play
> _standard_ video formats like WMV, AVI, MPG (1, 2 and 4)- not
> proprietary pseudo-standards like Quicktime... ;-)
??? it plays standard MPEG-4 - look at the link for the requirements.
http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.n...vent/index.html
okay, yeah... understand, I feel it's pretty important to see it when
discussing things in this group. answers are pretty limp i notice when
people haven't seen it.
> Wall Street must have loved it, however- the NASDAQ is down 0.92%,
> while AAPL dropped
> 5.13%, down 7.40 to 136.70.
yes, after a run up of 25 points the previous 10 days... I guess you
don't know much about stocks either? you always "sell" on the news.
| |
| IMHO IIRC 2007-09-06, 4:33 am |
| In news:colalovesmacs-C3DE2A.21164005092007@mpls-nnrp-04.inet.qwest.net,
Oxford <colalovesmacs@mac.com> typed:
> "Reality" <reality@sucks.dontit.net> wrote:
>
>
> I've never been accused of being a fanboi, I'm just a reality kinda guy.
>
>
> snookered by using a great device 60 days prior to anyone else in the
> world? hardly.
$33 per day - what a bargin.
>
>
> did you type that in a mirror? you aren't talking about me with a
> comment like that.
>
>
> no they won't, they will simply tell their friends to go out and get an
> iPhone sooner than later. This moves up iPhone demand by 30% or more.
>
I'm glad you feel that way - the posts I have seen don't seem to agree with
you - most are quite pissed.
>
> What? It seems you are upset by a price decrease? Why? Why?
>
Most companies drop prices when they are going to introduce the New,
Improved version to get rid of the inferior product.
>
> I use 802.11, much faster than 3G!
>
And 802.11 is available everywhere and free????
>
> What? When did that happen? The iPhone battery is fully replaceable, and
> costs around $20... big whoop!
>
How do you change the iPhone battery?
>
> Seems to work quite well, and your problem is?
>
>
> You got one RIGHT! Congratulations!
>
>
> It's not closed at all, something called the "world wide web" was
> developed from the OS inside the iPhone, perhaps you have heard of it?
>
I thought the "world wide web" has been around for many years. The iPhone
OS has a browser which can access it - That is all.
>
> Why so angry? Don't you like quality products?
>
Yes I do - and - the iPhone along with other Apple products are not as
fantastic as claimed.
>
> But you have to keep in mind Nokia and Verizon have NO ABILITY to
> compete against a huge, rich, talented company like Apple. Those
> companies will become the UNIVAC, and Sperry of the Cell Phone world.
>
> Those companies LOST THEIR FUTURE today, not much you can do about it at
> this point.
>
> They are as good as DEAD.
>
There are more people who just want a phone that provides reliable phone
service than want a multipurpose device with a phone. Apple has already
introduced "iPhones" without the phone feature.
> So sit down, get some popcorn and watch what happened today... You'll
> sound foolish until you see the Keynote...
>
> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.n...vent/index.html
>
> -
| |
| Todd Allcock 2007-09-06, 4:33 am |
| At 05 Sep 2007 17:07:17 -1000 Mitch wrote:
> I don't want to believe anyone is so STUPID as to believe WMV or AVI
> are 'standard' formats!
Catch the smiley at the end of my remark? I was just trying to get
under Oxy's skin a bit.
> If those are, QuickTime is much more so, since it's a wrapper (and | | |