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NEWS: For Sprint, Job Cuts Are Just The Start Of Turnaround Moves
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| John Navas 2008-01-18, 10:33 pm |
| <http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds...U
NE5.htm>
Job cuts, while a step in the right direction for Sprint Nextel Corp.
(S), aren't going to save the flagging wireless carrier.
The Reston, Va., company - under new Chief Executive Dan Hesse -
needs to take more drastic moves to revitalize its reputation,
analysts say. Specifically, it needs to simplify its multiple brands
and services, consolidate its two networks into one, and nab hot
handsets that can recapture some buzz. The steps become more
necessary as the wireless market crowds and consumer spending
weakens.
[MORE]
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| larry 2008-01-18, 10:33 pm |
| John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
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"That is because consumers can't understand or don't relate to the ads,
Passikoff said, adding that Sprint needs to more clearly communicate the
advantages of its services.
"It's not about eyeballs anymore," he said."
I don't think any of them actually understand what's wrong with Sprint....
People want a SELLphone that WORKS when they press SEND, not sit there and
blink. Sprint really sucks outside the major metro areas, here.....
The other problem is to take the dog collars off the employees answering
the phones and let THEM make the customers happy when they dial 611. A
customer with a little concession to make him happy is MUCH more profitable
than a customer standing in line at Alltel waiting the churn!
Stupids......LESS ADVERTISING.....MORE INFRASTRUCTURE!
At least they could do is change the PRLs to allow roaming onto Alltel and
Verizon in the DEAD ZONES in SC until they get the towers completed....
They bought Nextel, which has NEVER worked good here. Even the
construction boys with no-dialing walkie talkies can't be called by their
bosses.......for twice the money.
Nextel was a big mistake.
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| George 2008-01-19, 10:33 am |
| John Navas wrote:
> <http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds...U
NE5.htm>
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> Job cuts, while a step in the right direction for Sprint Nextel Corp.
> (S), aren't going to save the flagging wireless carrier.
>
> The Reston, Va., company - under new Chief Executive Dan Hesse -
> needs to take more drastic moves to revitalize its reputation,
> analysts say. Specifically, it needs to simplify its multiple brands
> and services, consolidate its two networks into one, and nab hot
> handsets that can recapture some buzz. The steps become more
> necessary as the wireless market crowds and consumer spending
> weakens.
>
> [MORE]
>
They seem to be doing their best to kill off the nextel customers. Last
week I was in the third location I visit that dropped them and went with
VZW. In each case they said sprint raised the price and eliminated a
bucket of minutes and required multiple small buckets which just makes
it tedious for the end user to track and pretty much guarantees overages.
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| John Navas 2008-01-19, 10:33 am |
| On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 03:57:38 +0000, larry <noone@home.com> wrote in
< Xns9A29EA309D2BFnoon
ehomecom@208.49.80.253>:
>They bought Nextel, which has NEVER worked good here. Even the
>construction boys with no-dialing walkie talkies can't be called by their
>bosses.......for twice the money.
>
>Nextel was a big mistake.
True, as was obvious to many experts outside Sprint from the beginning.
"Be careful what you wish for."
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Best regards, FAQ FOR AT&T (CINGULAR) WIRELESS:
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| It was Nextel that took over Sprint to find the way out but fail.
"larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A29EA309D2B
Fnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253...
> John Navas < spamfilter1@navasgro
up.com> wrote in
> news:48i2p39ha7oa9u9
46om0acp0qpasohofqf@
4ax.com:
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> "That is because consumers can't understand or don't relate to the ads,
> Passikoff said, adding that Sprint needs to more clearly communicate the
> advantages of its services.
>
> "It's not about eyeballs anymore," he said."
>
> I don't think any of them actually understand what's wrong with Sprint....
>
> People want a SELLphone that WORKS when they press SEND, not sit there and
> blink. Sprint really sucks outside the major metro areas, here.....
>
> The other problem is to take the dog collars off the employees answering
> the phones and let THEM make the customers happy when they dial 611. A
> customer with a little concession to make him happy is MUCH more
> profitable
> than a customer standing in line at Alltel waiting the churn!
>
> Stupids......LESS ADVERTISING.....MORE INFRASTRUCTURE!
>
> At least they could do is change the PRLs to allow roaming onto Alltel and
> Verizon in the DEAD ZONES in SC until they get the towers completed....
>
> They bought Nextel, which has NEVER worked good here. Even the
> construction boys with no-dialing walkie talkies can't be called by their
> bosses.......for twice the money.
>
> Nextel was a big mistake.
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| Todd Wade 2008-01-20, 12:33 pm |
| On Jan 19, 12:57=A0pm, larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
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> People want a SELLphone that WORKS when they press SEND, not sit there and=
> blink. =A0Sprint really sucks outside the major metro areas, here.....
>
Just one guy's experience, but fwiw:
I live in northeast Ohio, and I travel in/around Toledo, Cleveand,
Columbus, Cincinnati, Cambridge, and tiny little towns in between that
don't make most maps. I travel to Chicago, New York, South Florida,
Houston, and the US Virgin Islands.
My family's phone and data services have never failed us. Not even
once. For three years.
Todd W.
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| Jar-Jar Binks 2008-01-20, 12:33 pm |
| Agreed. I travel around the country and use Sprint voice and data service
and never have a problem. The only problem that Sprint has is its customer
service.
"Todd Wade" <waveright@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:092c13b1-fbd5-42a8-a435- 12d7d602f3d8@q77g200
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On Jan 19, 12:57 pm, larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
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> People want a SELLphone that WORKS when they press SEND, not sit there and
> blink. Sprint really sucks outside the major metro areas, here.....
>
Just one guy's experience, but fwiw:
I live in northeast Ohio, and I travel in/around Toledo, Cleveand,
Columbus, Cincinnati, Cambridge, and tiny little towns in between that
don't make most maps. I travel to Chicago, New York, South Florida,
Houston, and the US Virgin Islands.
My family's phone and data services have never failed us. Not even
once. For three years.
Todd W.
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| Sprint has the same ventors cell sites as Verizon. The different can be the
handsets. Cheap phones have more problems than the good one. Customer
service couldn't help much on poor phones. The best way can be get a better
phone.
"Jar-Jar Binks" <jarjar@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:I9Mkj.1159$Ca7.1055@newsfe07.phx...
> Agreed. I travel around the country and use Sprint voice and data service
> and never have a problem. The only problem that Sprint has is its customer
> service.
>
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> "Todd Wade" <waveright@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:092c13b1-fbd5-42a8-a435- 12d7d602f3d8@q77g200
0hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 19, 12:57 pm, larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
>
> Just one guy's experience, but fwiw:
>
> I live in northeast Ohio, and I travel in/around Toledo, Cleveand,
> Columbus, Cincinnati, Cambridge, and tiny little towns in between that
> don't make most maps. I travel to Chicago, New York, South Florida,
> Houston, and the US Virgin Islands.
>
> My family's phone and data services have never failed us. Not even
> once. For three years.
>
> Todd W.
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| Ness-Net 2008-01-20, 10:33 pm |
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"Uno" <Uno@Max.com> wrote in message
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> Sprint has the same ventors cell sites as Verizon. The different can be
> the handsets. Cheap phones have more problems than the good one. Customer
> service couldn't help much on poor phones. The best way can be get a
> better phone.
>
"same ventors cell sites as Verizon"???????????????
This is VERY wrong!! Please don't make statements you obviously know
absolutely nothing about.
Sprint may use VZW as a roaming partner, but in a Sprint native area,
Sprint most certainly operates their own infrastructure. There may be some
site collocation, but even in this case, it's separate antennas and
electronics.
Sprint operates entirely 1900Mhz (PCS). VZW operates primarily in the
original
800Mhz (cellular) band - and uses 1900 in some areas where they don't have
an 800
license - or possibly as capacity relief in large metro.
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| Sprint use ventor equipment from Lucent, Nortel and Motorola which supply to
Verizon. They may use different frequency bands but they are almost the same
kind of equipments.
"Ness-Net" <no.richard@damnspam.nessnet.com> wrote in message
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> "Uno" <Uno@Max.com> wrote in message
> news:pLOkj.2060$Rg1.1712@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
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> "same ventors cell sites as Verizon"???????????????
>
> This is VERY wrong!! Please don't make statements you obviously know
> absolutely nothing about.
>
> Sprint may use VZW as a roaming partner, but in a Sprint native area,
> Sprint most certainly operates their own infrastructure. There may be some
> site collocation, but even in this case, it's separate antennas and
> electronics.
>
> Sprint operates entirely 1900Mhz (PCS). VZW operates primarily in the
> original
> 800Mhz (cellular) band - and uses 1900 in some areas where they don't have
> an 800
> license - or possibly as capacity relief in large metro.
>
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| Ness-Net 2008-01-20, 10:33 pm |
| This is complete BS. Or you haven't a clue
You choose. (I vote #2)
It's like saying both a Porsche and a Kia have
Goodyear tires, so they must run the same...
Or.... that Apple and Dell both use Intel chips...
1st - Verizon is a legacy 'cellular' carrier in many markets.
(Or shall I say GTE, AirTouch, and the other companies)
They have been providing service since the middle / late 80's in
many of their markets. The 'PCS' licenses came along years later.
Sprint is a PCS carrier.
Yes, parity may have been achieved in many markets, but overall, the
legacy 800 carriers (AT&T / VZW, etc) have the best overall coverage
nationwide and out in the boonies.
Physics. Wave propagation. 800 works better than 1900 - period.
It's just that simple. Longer wavelengths penetrate better. Longer
wavelengths carry further.
"Uno" <Uno@Max.com> wrote in message
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> Sprint use ventor equipment from Lucent, Nortel and Motorola which supply
> to Verizon. They may use different frequency bands but they are almost the
> same kind of equipments.
>
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| This is no BS. Sprint has the same quality cellular equipments from the same
quality CDMA telecom supplyers.
"Ness-Net" <no.richard@damnspam.nessnet.com> wrote in message
news:b9- dnVadcczsmAnanZ2dnUV
Z_q6mnZ2d@giganews.com...
> This is complete BS. Or you haven't a clue
> You choose. (I vote #2)
>
> It's like saying both a Porsche and a Kia have
> Goodyear tires, so they must run the same...
>
> Or.... that Apple and Dell both use Intel chips...
>
> 1st - Verizon is a legacy 'cellular' carrier in many markets.
> (Or shall I say GTE, AirTouch, and the other companies)
> They have been providing service since the middle / late 80's in
> many of their markets. The 'PCS' licenses came along years later.
> Sprint is a PCS carrier.
>
> Yes, parity may have been achieved in many markets, but overall, the
> legacy 800 carriers (AT&T / VZW, etc) have the best overall coverage
> nationwide and out in the boonies.
>
> Physics. Wave propagation. 800 works better than 1900 - period.
> It's just that simple. Longer wavelengths penetrate better. Longer
> wavelengths carry further.
>
>
>
> "Uno" <Uno@Max.com> wrote in message
> news:2dTkj.819$uE.254@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
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| Ness-Net 2008-01-20, 10:33 pm |
| Number 2 it is then...
I am not contending that anyone's "equipments" are inferior.
(English is your second language huh??)
Or anyone's "equipments" is superior for that matter. What IS
fact is that it doesn't really matter in this discussion.
YOU stated that "Sprint has the same "ventors" cell sites as Verizon.
The different can be the handsets."
Translation: because Sprint and Verizon use the same infrastructure
equipment vendors, they are essentially the same and therefore any
user or coverage problems must be primarily in the users handset.
This is simply preposterous and I was pointing out various reasons why.
It is obvious you will continue your inane argument, so there is no point
in my continuing further.
Or, you may choose to actually see the fact(s)...
"Uno" <Uno@Max.com> wrote in message
news:%eUkj.685$hI1.568@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com...
> This is no BS. Sprint has the same quality cellular equipments from the
> same quality CDMA telecom supplyers.
>
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| Steve Sobol 2008-01-21, 4:33 am |
| ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.verizon.]
On 2008-01-21, Uno <Uno@Max.com> wrote:
> This is no BS. Sprint has the same quality cellular equipments from the same
> quality CDMA telecom supplyers.
Heh. So why didn't you use T-Mo or AT&T?
Look guys, I believe this may be another iPhone shill. He's not as
entertaining as the others.
--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, CA PGP:0xE3AE35ED www.SteveSobol.com
Geek-for-hire. Details: http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevesobol
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| Pegleg 2008-01-21, 10:33 am |
| On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:11:52 -0800, "Jar-Jar Binks" <jarjar@nospam.com>
wrote:
>I live in northeast Ohio, and I travel in/around Toledo, Cleveand,
>Columbus, Cincinnati, Cambridge, and tiny little towns in between that
>don't make most maps. I travel to Chicago, New York, South Florida,
>Houston, and the US Virgin Islands.
>
>My family's phone and data services have never failed us. Not even
>once. For three years.
You are obviously always near major metro areas where the cell site
density is higher!
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| Robert Coe 2008-01-21, 12:33 pm |
| On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:23:38 -0800, Pegleg <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote:
: On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:11:52 -0800, "Jar-Jar Binks" <jarjar@nospam.com>
: wrote:
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: >I live in northeast Ohio, and I travel in/around Toledo, Cleveand,
: >Columbus, Cincinnati, Cambridge, and tiny little towns in between that
: >don't make most maps. I travel to Chicago, New York, South Florida,
: >Houston, and the US Virgin Islands.
: >
: >My family's phone and data services have never failed us. Not even
: >once. For three years.
:
: You are obviously always near major metro areas where the cell site
: density is higher!
I've heard that the word on Sprint is that you can use it in rural areas as
long as you stay within three miles of an Interstate highway. There are some
coverage maps that tend to support that theory. Mississippi is (or was) a case
in point. Verizon is virtually absent there, but they apparently let you roam
onto Sprint. When I visited there a couple of years ago, Verizon's roaming map
showed coverage pretty much confined to where the Interstates were.
Bob
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| Steve Sobol 2008-01-21, 3:33 pm |
| ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.verizon.]
On 2008-01-21, Pegleg <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote:
> You are obviously always near major metro areas where the cell site
> density is higher!
I think that theory used to be true of Sprint and T-Mo but is not as true
these days.
Examples: In the Cleveland Market, VoiceStream launched late (2001-2002), as
T-Mobile, much later than most of their other markets (they only had a few
demo units branded with the VoiceStream logo, they'd mostly switched over
already). But to make up for that, they had coverage EVERYWHERE east of
Cleveland, including my parents' house in Montville Township, Ohio. The
nearest county seats, Painesville (Lake County) and Chardon (Geauga County),
are both 10-13 miles away and are both small towns, and that part of Northeast
Ohio is completely rural. T-Mo was even able to give my kid brother a phone
with a number local to Montville when they launched.
Here, in the Victor Valley, Sprint has coverage at my old house on the edge
of town, just past the end of Verizon's coverage. The tower is in a spot
in the northeast corner of town where I'd be surprised if ANYONE lives (maybe
1,000 people?) T-Mo has coverage out there too.
--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, CA PGP:0xE3AE35ED www.SteveSobol.com
Geek-for-hire. Details: http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevesobol
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| Todd Wade 2008-01-22, 10:33 am |
| On Jan 21, 11:23=A0pm, Pegleg <Peg...@usnavyret.mil> wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:11:52 -0800, "Jar-Jar Binks" <jar...@nospam.com>
> wrote:
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> You are obviously always near major metro areas where the cell site
> density is higher!
You didnt even read what I wrote. Particularly, the part about
> tiny little towns in between that don't make most maps
I camp in central ohio, and the population within a 50 mile radius is
probably less than 100,000. Yet I can connect my EVDO data connection
and work like I was connected to my DSL connection at home.
You must have also missed the part that says:
> the US Virgin Islands
Which happens to be over 1,000 miles from a major metro area.
So, obviously, I'm frequently no where near a major metro area and
Sprint's voice and data services work. Always.
Todd W.
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| Pegleg wrote:
> You are obviously always near major metro areas where the cell site
> density is higher!
Golly, I didn't know that ten years ago almost everywhere in the state
of Missouri was a major metro. I'm sure the "density" is much higher
now.
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