Verizon wireless - Test Mode Code List

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Test Mode Code List

David L

2005-11-21, 5:48 pm

Test Mode Codes. To see all...

http://www.wpsantennas.info/pdf/tes...ldTestModes.pdf

LG VX10, 520, 2000, 3100, 3200, 4400, 4500, 4600, 4700, 5550,
6000, 6100, 7000, 8000
Press Menu 0, Enter Service Code is 000000 (That is zero 6 times)
Scroll to Field Test, Press Select
Scroll to Service or Screen, Press Select
Signal strength is a negative number in the center of the screen.
To exit test mode: turn off phone.
LG 510
Press Menu, 3, 0. Enter Service Code, 000000. Scroll to Test Mode,
Select.
Scroll to Read RSSI, Select.
To exit test mode, turn off phone.
LG SPRINT TOUCHPOINT ,1100, 2100, 2200, 5200, 5250, 5350, 4NE
1, 1010, 1200
Press ##33284. Select Save and press OK. Select Service Screen,
and press OK. The signal strength is on the 9th line down.
(Ex.: Rx, power: -XX)
To exit the test mode, press End.

MOTOROLA V60, 120, E310, C331, 343, 353 (most Motorola non-
GSM phones)
Quickly Press MENU 073887*
SECURITY CODE= 000000 (THAT'S 6 ZEROS) or 123456, Press OK,
Scroll to "TEST MODE", SELECT or CHANGE, Scroll to "ENABLED",
SELECT
Signal strength is 3RD # down on the left side of screen.
TO EXIT: QUICKLY HIT "MENU" THEN BUTTON DIRECTLY TO THE
LEFT OF MENU
Motorola T720, T721, T730, T731
Follow the process for V60 phones, turn phone off, then back on. Press
Menu
and the button left of the Menu button in quick succession. The signal
strength
is the 3rd # down on the left side.
Motorola StarTac
Press FCN 00** very quickly, continue to Press 83786633 and the STO
button. The phone should display US if not the FCN00** wasn't done
fast
enough) then press 45# to display the signal strength. This number is
not
actually a dB reading, but is referencing the dB strength. 45# should
be
pressed every time you wish to see the updated signal reading.
The signal strength is between 65 - 150. Signal is the best at 150.
To exit test mode, Press 01#.

Nokia 12xx, 51xx (except 5125), 61xx, 62xx, 71xx, 3285, 63xx, etc.
Press *3001#12345#
Scroll up 1 to "Field Test", (some phones may say "Net Monitor"
instead of
field test) and select, scroll to "enabled" and press OK
Turn phone off and then back on.
Signal strength is the upper or lower left number.
After test mode is enabled it will stay in your regular menu. To easily
get in or
out: Menu, up 1 to "field test" and select or OK. Dial 00 to get
out and 01 to
get back in.

Nokia 2100
Press *3001#12345#, Menu, then follow the above instruction.
NOKIA 3285, 3360, 6360, (except 3590)
GO THROUGH ABOVE PROCESS... After test mode is enabled it will stay
in your regular menu. To easily get in or out:
Menu, up 1 to "field test" and select
Dial 2100 to get out and 2101 to get back in. (possible 0000 to get out
and
2100 to get in)

Samsung A310
Press Menu,0,*
Then enter code "000000" (six zeros)
Choose "Debug", 4th line, last #
Samsung A460, 3500, A540
Press Menu, 9, 0, enter Lock Code: 040793, select "Debug Screen"
and press
OK, Signal strength is the 2nd # on the 2nd line down
To exit test mode: turn off phone.
Samsung A500, N400
Press Menu 101, enter 040793, Select "Debug Screen".
Signal strength is the 2nd # on the 2nd line down
To exit test mode: turn off phone.
Samsung A650
Press MENU, 9, *, Enter Field Service code, 000000, select Debug
Screen,
press OK,
Field Strength is on the 5th line, 2nd number (T-65 DO 87-06). The
number
omits the negative.
To Exit: Turn off phone
Samsung A660
Enter ## 33284, press OK, Enter security code 040793, select "Debug
Screen", press OK.
Signal strength is 2nd # on 2nd line. (IE. T-XX Do XX -05)
To exit: turn off phone.
Samsung A670
Press Menu, 7, *. Enter Service Code, 0000000 (that is 7 0's). Select
Debug
Screen, Signal strength is on the 1st line
To exit: turn off phone.
Samsung A740, A760
Enter ## 33284#, press OK, Enter security code 040793, select "Debug
Screen", press OK.
Signal strength is 2nd # on 2nd line. (IE. T-XX Do XX -05)
To exit: turn off phone
Samsung E316, E317, X426, X427 (GSM)
Enter *#9324#, Signal strength is last number on the 4th line. The
number
omits the negative.
To exit: turn off phone
Samsung N240
Enter ## 33284, press OK, select "Debug Screen", press OK.
Signal strength is 2nd # on 2nd line. (IE. T-XX Do XX -05)
To exit: turn off phone

Larry

2005-11-22, 2:48 am

"David L" <davlindi@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> Test Mode Codes. To see all...
>
>

Thanks, David. Much appreciated by all I suspect.

--
Larry

Patrick Cleburne

2005-11-22, 5:48 am

"David L" <davlindi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Test Mode Codes. To see all...
>
> http://www.wpsantennas.info/pdf/tes...ldTestModes.pdf
>

And the reason someone would want to go into test mode is...........

Remove This

2005-11-22, 5:48 pm

> And the reason someone would want to go into test mode is...........

Given that I have GPS "always on" and I can reach the location page using
right arrow in debug, how
can I get the phone to act as a mini GPS, showing me my location??

--
I work for the ILEC ...." stuff happens! "

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> "David L" <davlindi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>

Frankster

2005-11-22, 5:48 pm

> And the reason someone would want to go into test mode is...........

There are many.

One is to check signal strength more accurately than the stupid "bar"
system. It has helped me determine my best external antenna configuration. I
have to use an external antenna because I am below ground level in a steel
siding house.

-Frank

Larry

2005-11-22, 5:48 pm

"Patrick Cleburne" <mgcleburne@csa> wrote in news:G_adnR6Kg_2Efx_
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rA@comcast.com:

> And the reason someone would want to go into test mode is...........
>
>

Simply because we can......(c;

--
Larry

Richard Ness

2005-11-22, 11:48 pm

In reality, if you have to ask, you don't need test mode anyway...

I know that sounds bad, but seriously, there is truth in it.

I have posted Moto test mode / debug stuff for years. But, I caution
that it is NOT for novices and those that don't know what they are
doing, best just leave well enough alone. Wrong move and phone
ceases to function properly type stuff. The stuff in there, you have
to know how to interpret for it to do you any good anyway. Or know
what consequences changing something causes - again tech stuff.

So, again, if you have to ask.....

"Patrick Cleburne" <mgcleburne@csa> wrote in message news:G_adnR6Kg_2Efx_
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> "David L" <davlindi@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1132604510.367697.229630@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>
> And the reason someone would want to go into test mode is...........
>

David L

2005-11-25, 5:48 pm

Your welcome. Seems like good reference material. Especialy when I
forget and have to ask someone down the road, what a code is:-)

As mentioned, please don't blow your phone up!
-
dave

mingv

2005-11-27, 2:48 am

In article <w9Hgf.1632$RI5.1019@trndny09>,
"Remove This" < spamdumpster@verizon
.net> wrote:

>
> Given that I have GPS "always on" and I can reach the location page using
> right arrow in debug, how
> can I get the phone to act as a mini GPS, showing me my location??

Sorry I can't give a source for this. I think it came from
howardforums.com? Anyway, here's how it works on my LG VX6100:

Press "Menu" (left softkey)
press 0 key
press 000000 (for the "service code")
select 2 ("Field tests")
select 6 ("gpsOne")
select 1 ("gpsOne Test Screen")
select "on"
press End

Back at the main screen now, dial 922 and press "Send." (If 922 doesn't
work, try 923)

*** VERY IMPORTANT NOTE *** Please read! ***

In some service areas, dialing 922 or 923 may cause your phone to
connect to the 911 emergency system. If this occurs DO NOT HANG UP!
Explain that you connected to them in error and you do NOT have an
emergency!

If you hang up, the people at 911 may assume you're about to be murdered
or raped or something and that the bad guy forced you to hang up the
phone and send the ambulance, cops, and/or fire trucks anyway. STAY ON
THE LINE AND TELL THEM YOU DO not HAVE AN EMERGENCY!

*** VERY IMPORTANT NOTE (end) ***

(For some odd reason, I - and others who have done this - hear a radio
broadcast when the call goes through. Weird!)

Don't disconnect the call until your GPS coordinates appear on your
screen.

When you end the call, your coords will disappear. You can recall them
by pressing "menu 0 000000 2 6 3" (The final "3" selects "Last
Location.") Press the Volume Down button on the side, you will see more
info screens: time stamp (UT), uncertainty, altitude (cool!), velocity
(must try this when I'm moving, or take two readings in quick
succession?), and a whole bunch of other screens I can't decipher. I
suspect they're satellite or cell tower info? Press the Volume Up screen
to return to previous screens. (The volume up/down buttons also do this
while your call is connected to 922 or 923, but why burn your plan
minutes?)

-------------------------------

And now for a whole bunch of FWIWs...

I read that this only works if you turn on the "Location On" (which you
turn on by going to menu - 9 (settings) - 8 (location) - "Location On"),
but on my phone, that doesn't seem to be necessary. Leaving it at E911
(which means "send location only on emergency 911 calls," I think), it
still seems to work. (Maybe this is service area dependent?)

As far as I can tell, the "last location" coords remain until you turn
the phone off.

If you'd like to confirm the coords you just obtained, go to...

http://maps.google.com

....and enter the latitude and longitude separated by a space or comma.
You don't need to include a "+" for N latitudes (Northern Hemisphere),
but be sure to include a "-" for W Longitudes. (Most of N and S America,
for instance.) For example, here's the Garden of the Gods in Colorado:

http://maps.google.com/?q=38.878,-104.880350

David L

2005-11-27, 5:48 am

Getting a handset to display GPS coords is in a whole other catagory of
undocumented tricks.

A couple of points about getting a VZW phone to display GPS coordinates
within the debug screen.

A 922 call seems to "mimic" a 911 call in areas where the 911 AGPS
system is turned on. (see snaptrack.com for more info)This results in
the tower "dumping" the coordinates to the handset. The computing power
is located at the network level for GPS, and the cell phones GPS
antenna allows for better accuracy. I don't understand it fully, but
that's why one has to make a 911/922 call, to get the data to display.
Won't work where sufficiently upgraded tower equipment has not been
installed, like in rural areas.

I''m not certain, but 922 may be a 911 test number, and in some
localities it will connect with 911.
In many cases Verizon will CHARGE for 922 calls. It shows up as a 411
information call on the bill!
Has worked from unactivated handsets.
Not nearly as accurate as regular GPS receiver. It was about 200 feet
off when I compared with a stand alone GPSr, which has a best accuracy
of around 12-15 feet.

A standalone GPS receiver can received and display signals directly
from the sateilite.

Verizon will be launching LBS, Location Based Services, as a reliable
source has noted, sometime after the first of the year. It's being
tested now. Cellular/GPS directions and mapping should be killer app.
Stand alone mapping GPS receivers can be a it pricey, but work
anywhere with some open sky to see the "free" satellite signal.

Nextel/Sprint already has functional LBS on their network, and it's
been available for years from Nextel, in various forms with certain
handsets.

-
Dave

Larry

2005-11-27, 5:48 pm

"David L" <davlindi@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1133081709.949848.80910
@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

> A standalone GPS receiver can received and display signals directly
> from the sateilite.
>

The GPS receivers in the phones are only good for location if the phone
is, relatively, "outside" where the 2400 Mhz GPS receiver can see the
overhead birds, at least 3 of them for a triangulation. The phones are
not, often enough, in visibility of the birds, so the GPS position in the
phone ends up being the last building you walked into, or where you got
into your car.

You can find this out by carrying a regular hand-held GPS receiver. If
you sit in the large window of a restaurant, not in a city canyon, a GPS
"may" find enough birds to get a fix. But, even in a wooden building
with its overhead wiring and electrical noises, the poor GPS trying to
hear the data from a bird so far away isn't going to happen. Mine can
rarely find one of its 12 birds in most buildings. The GPS system was
designed for navigation OUTSIDE, not tracking little toyphones in the
city. On a boat, we try to position the GPS antenna as far away from
anything sticking up like masts and rigging or radar arches as possible.
Almost anything absorbs 2400 Mhz. That's why 2450 Mhz is the frequency
of your microwave oven.

David L

2005-11-27, 5:48 pm

Larry,

Antennas do make a huge difference, especially with our already sketchy
"toy phones", when used in rural areas or analog roaming. The urban
jungle has it's own signal challenges.

Using the programing codes to display the "Field Test"/ "Debug" screens
with the RF levels, provides a useful scale of signal readings, both
incoming and outgoing. Using the debug screen, allows quick and
accurate aiming of a directional Yagi antenna when out in the woods.

I've got great results with a Garmin 60 and a little amplified external
antenna. The small rectangular external gets mounted in a "trimmed"
elastic sided cellphone case (Nok 5150,startac) and the clip is used to
attach to a baseball cap. Huge improvement under forest canopy.

Anyway, I'm working on finding as small, (panel?) antenna for a new
Nokia 6256 CDMA/AMPS handset and could use some ideas. The Nokias have
excellent digital call initiation and holding capability (didn't drop
at -104db in a well tested RF hole), much like the" Walmart Wonder
phone", and I think more gain can be wrung out with an portable
external. Can you send me a PM?

Thanks,
Dave DavLindi at hot -- mail dot com

CharlesH

2005-11-27, 5:48 pm

Larry wrote:
> The GPS receivers in the phones are only good for location if the phone
> is, relatively, "outside" where the 2400 Mhz GPS receiver can see the
> overhead birds, at least 3 of them for a triangulation. The phones are
> not, often enough, in visibility of the birds, so the GPS position in the
> phone ends up being the last building you walked into, or where you got
> into your car.

Verizon Wireless and the other CDMA providers are using gpsOne, which in
turn uses "assisted GPS" (aGPS). "gpsOne" combines triangulation using
cell sites with GPS location info. aGPS uses the cell site to do the
bulk of the GPS protocol so the GPS receiver in the phone needs only
enough signal to get a few bytes from the GPS satellites to get a fix.
The triangulation using cell sites means that you can get a fix with
fewer than three GPS satellites. The combination means that gpsOne
phones are designed to be able to get a fix indoors or between tall
buildings, where standalone GPS receivers don't have enough signal to work.

That is how it is supposed to work, anyway. See www.snaptrack.com

Sandy A. Nicolaysen

2005-11-27, 11:48 pm

On 27 Nov 2005 10:34:30 -0800, "David L" <davlindi@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Larry,
>
>Antennas do make a huge difference, especially with our already sketchy
>"toy phones", when used in rural areas or analog roaming. The urban
>jungle has it's own signal challenges.
>
>Using the programing codes to display the "Field Test"/ "Debug" screens
>with the RF levels, provides a useful scale of signal readings, both
>incoming and outgoing. Using the debug screen, allows quick and
>accurate aiming of a directional Yagi antenna when out in the woods.
>
Great post Dave! The only thing I would add is that the test screen
also gives you the signal to noise ratio (the EC/IO number).

You could have a great signal, yet noise may prevent you from
receiving or sending a call. Almost as important as RF level IMO.

- Sandy
"Failure is not an option. It comes bundled with your Microsoft product."

Richard Ness

2005-11-27, 11:48 pm

Remember, with CDMA, you can have a signal but
still not be able to complete a call.

Depends on what the 'chips' of the serving site is set at.
(simply put, programming that limits a CDMA sites range)

You just might be outside of the sites intended coverage
area. Something test mode just won't tell you.

I remember when a certain PCS carrier was still building
out their system here. They hadn't turned up the south end
of the Puget Sound yet. I could fire up test mode, read an
OK signal on a higher hill looking up the sound (line of sight)
but could not complete a call.

"Sandy A. Nicolaysen" <sandynic@verizon.net> wrote in message news:j5fko1544tpcdhi
7kqhqg2j5gfle5ol9d2@
4ax.com...
> On 27 Nov 2005 10:34:30 -0800, "David L" <davlindi@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Great post Dave! The only thing I would add is that the test screen
> also gives you the signal to noise ratio (the EC/IO number).
>
> You could have a great signal, yet noise may prevent you from
> receiving or sending a call. Almost as important as RF level IMO.
>
> - Sandy
> "Failure is not an option. It comes bundled with your Microsoft product."

Larry

2005-11-27, 11:48 pm

"David L" <davlindi@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1133116470.491150.59740
@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

> The Nokias have
> excellent digital call initiation and holding capability (didn't drop
> at -104db in a well tested RF hole), much like the" Walmart Wonder
> phone", and I think more gain can be wrung out with an portable
> external. Can you send me a PM?
>

Wow...it must be cold or at night at -104 dbm! The RF background noise
from a hot parking lot sitting in the sun is nearly that level. The beam
does point the receiver over that noise source a bit and may improve your
S/N ratio, though. Any signals under -100 dbm on a hot day with the sun
overhead are pretty hard to keep connected over the thermal noise.

Remove This

2005-11-28, 5:48 pm

"mingv" <nospam@nothanks.com> wrote in message
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> In article <w9Hgf.1632$RI5.1019@trndny09>,
> "Remove This" < spamdumpster@verizon
.net> wrote:
>

I should have added "using A Samsung SCH-670 or 650
[color=darkred]
>

Cyclograph

2005-11-28, 11:48 pm

On 21 Nov 2005 12:21:50 -0800, "David L" <davlindi@hotmail.com> wrote:

>LG VX10, 520, 2000, 3100, 3200, 4400, 4500, 4600, 4700, 5550,
>6000, 6100, 7000, 8000
>Press Menu 0, Enter Service Code is 000000 (That is zero 6 times)
>Scroll to Field Test, Press Select
>Scroll to Service or Screen, Press Select
>Signal strength is a negative number in the center of the screen.
>To exit test mode: turn off phone.

Interestingly, on my 6100 all it takes is the 'clear' key to exit the
test screens. Maybe it's the particular software version I have...
T61VZV02, unless it's actually being left hanging in some strange mode
by doing this (though I haven't experienced any problems yet.)

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David L

2005-12-03, 5:48 pm

Yes it was cold, wellcold for here maybe 55 degrees. I know 104
sounds highand it only hit that enough to register in the Nokia
delayed readout,but many of the calls wer hovering around -100db. This
phone just hung through the dips,i doubt any discernable boice call was
transfered at this level. But I did record it all on my home
answering machine and there were numerous dropouts but no disconnects
for the whole drive down this country road. Seems like there is some
kind of timer that keeps the call loop open even through terrible
connections for a few seconds. That's all I can figure. There's no way
I can initiate a call at levelseven closr to 100. Around 92 or 94 db(
I'm guessing) is the least amount of signal a call can be originated.
But it holds even when there's some buzzinggoing on or there is dead
silence for a second or two.

I'm dying to have a little phone "shootout" with some v710 or E815
Motorolas, the other proclaimed reception kings. It would be great fun
to see who's phone could make receive and hold on to calls all from the
same location in a (my favorite?) fringe test spot. Everything else is
fairly cut and dried as far as ratings, but reception is so variable
(even with the same phone) and difficult to measure the very BEST
phone, when it comes down to those extreme fringe situations. I'm
convinced, only a direct comparison of at least a half dozen test calls
would be required to reveal the "Best" fringe reception phone. Certain
"other" phone users (none of the VZW users here:) might tend to
exaggerate and then believe their phone has the best reception after a
few other users of the same phone start believing there phone is the
best signalperformer because it has "4 bars signal strength". Imagine
the bragging rites to best reception phone!
Anyone live near Dublin/San Ramon California and think they have a VZW
top RF performer for a phone shootout some weekend or eve at,

N 37 48.933
W 122 02.831 (WGS 84)

"Oak" picnic area Dirt parking pullout, trail head for Chamise trail.
>From metal grate at pullout to roadway center line. Really good phones
can hold calls on top metal grate, signal improves towards center of
road.

or
N37 48.701
W 122 02.612
Only been able to make call out here maybe once or twice with a Bag
Phone and external antenna. Dirt Parking lot, between trash and edge of
road, outside first Park Gate.

If all else fails, RF wise a great place to hike and Geocache. Lots of
great views and geocaches throughout park. Contains an old Nuclear
Missle "Nike" Launch site. The peaks are great for testing Verizon
analog and SPCs roaming. A classic 4 bars and no signal zone on some
peaks, since the analog towers are too far away. SPCS boomers..that is
when PRLs still had, pre Aug 1s,t SPCS roaming. Still can SPCS roam
with older PRLs...DO NOT update PRL in Northern California or you lose
SPCS roaming!

Mountain Lions, bobcat, coyotes, foxes, skunks, rabid bats, wild
turkeys, hawks, buzzards, rattlesnakes. Zebras, ostriches, bulls and
goats, dear, wild bee hives, fleas and hungry ticks. Almost everything
in the park has come way to close, chased me (or given me the Icould be
dinner look), wound up on my hood after hitting it, stomped, snorted,
hissed, rattled or made their presence known in no uncertain terms. The
things I go through to test my phones for you guys:)

Dave

Larry

2005-12-03, 11:48 pm

"David L" <davlindi@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1133639549.100810.214570
@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

> Contains an old Nuclear
> Missle "Nike" Launch site.

I know someone who turned a missile silo into a home. It's very quite
behind so much concrete! None of that being woken up by the neighbor's
dog...(c;

It's so quiet they couldn't sleep the first few months.

David S

2005-12-04, 11:48 pm

On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 19:19:26 -0500, Larry <noone@home.com> chose to add
this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

>"David L" <davlindi@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1133639549.100810.214570
>@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>

Nike missiles were not nuclear, they were rather large anti-aircraft beasts
tasked to defending the cities against nuclear-laden Russian bombers. There
was a site less than a mile from where I live. The site was abandoned
several years before I was born, but the structures, both above and below
ground, remained until it was made into a park (called Nike Park) in the
'80s.
[color=darkred]
>I know someone who turned a missile silo into a home. It's very quite

Not a Nike, though.

>behind so much concrete! None of that being woken up by the neighbor's
>dog...(c;

Or their back porch light...

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The Ghost of General Lee

2005-12-04, 11:48 pm

On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 23:47:15 GMT, David S
< dwstreeter@spamisnau
ghty.att.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 19:19:26 -0500, Larry <noone@home.com> chose to add
>this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
>
>
>Nike missiles were not nuclear, they were rather large anti-aircraft beasts
>tasked to defending the cities against nuclear-laden Russian bombers. There
>was a site less than a mile from where I live. The site was abandoned
>several years before I was born, but the structures, both above and below
>ground, remained until it was made into a park (called Nike Park) in the
>'80s.

Larry's not much for facts in the face of a good argument.

Garry W

2005-12-05, 2:48 am

David S < dwstreeter@spamisnau
ghty.att.net> wrote:
>Nike missiles were not nuclear, they were rather large anti-aircraft beasts
>tasked to defending the cities against nuclear-laden Russian bombers.

There were some nuclear Nike's too. The idea was that you would be willing to
do =anything= to prevent incoming bombs from reaching their target. Including
using your own nuke to blow up the incoming bomber or missile.

I had occasion once to have a long talk with a couple of the guys who ran the
Nikes up in Marin county. Since they had to take out incoming bad guys, the
nuclear Nikes that they ran were did not have all the fancy interlocks and
were freely retargetable. They mentioned that, in theory, they could have
taken out San Francisco in a few seconds, anytime. The Army tried to be
=really= careful about who chose for their missile crews.

See "Nike Hercules" at http://www.nikemissile.org. (I note that that
organization is based a few blocks from my house here. Probably the same
fellows!)

Garry

Garry W

2005-12-05, 2:48 am

The Ghost of General Lee <ghost@general.lee> wrote:
>
>Larry's not much for facts in the face of a good argument.

Ah... Larry's comment was completely accurate. Look at it again.

Garry

The Ghost of General Lee

2005-12-05, 2:48 am

On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 20:05:14 -0800, Garry W
< ListMail@extremelyse
rious.org> wrote:

>The Ghost of General Lee <ghost@general.lee> wrote:
>
>Ah... Larry's comment was completely accurate. Look at it again.
>

I saw nothing in that link or in my searches to indicate that Nikes
were stored in "silos". Rather, they were stored horizontally in
underground magazine racks. I think Larry's confusing it with an ICBM
silo.

Larry

2005-12-05, 5:48 pm

Garry W < ListMail@extremelyse
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> See "Nike Hercules"

In 1953, when I was 7 years old, my uncle was in the Army and stationed
at White Sands Proving Grounds in New Mexico. It was the first trip of
my life more than 50 miles from home in upstate NY.

White Sands was testing the new Nike missiles and during the time we were
living in this tiny 8x35' trailer cooled with a swamp cooler in the
desert, they shot off two of them. At the time, my uncle convinced me
they heard I was coming and shot them off just for me...(c;

It was an amazing sight for a 7 year old kid....

Both missiles seemed to fly just like they were supposed to, way out of
sight.

rring

2005-12-05, 5:48 pm

On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 00:22:39 -0500, The Ghost of General Lee
<ghost@general.lee> wrote:

>On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 20:05:14 -0800, Garry W
>< ListMail@extremelyse
rious.org> wrote:
>
>
>I saw nothing in that link or in my searches to indicate that Nikes
>were stored in "silos". Rather, they were stored horizontally in
>underground magazine racks. I think Larry's confusing it with an ICBM
>silo.

You didn't look to hard, did you?

http://www.correctionhistory.org/ht...ling/index5.htm

The Ghost of General Lee

2005-12-05, 11:48 pm

On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 10:12:58 -0500, rring <none@invalid.com> wrote:

>
>You didn't look to hard, did you?
>
>http://www.correctionhistory.org/ht...ling/index5.htm
>

Those look exactly like the magazine rack covers on the other pages.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't all Nikes require an erector for
launch?

gerry

2005-12-05, 11:48 pm

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On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 19:57:11 -0800, Garry W
< ListMail@extremelyse
rious.org> wrote:

>David S < dwstreeter@spamisnau
ghty.att.net> wrote:
>
>There were some nuclear Nike's too. The idea was that you would be willing to
>do =anything= to prevent incoming bombs from reaching their target. Including
>using your own nuke to blow up the incoming bomber or missile.
>

If you want defensive nuclear missiles think Sprint and Spartan.

http://w3.uwyo.edu/~jimkirk/abm.html

I had the opportunity to work at that site.

gerry

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rring

2005-12-05, 11:48 pm

On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:13:41 -0500, The Ghost of General Lee
<ghost@general.lee> wrote:

>On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 10:12:58 -0500, rring <none@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>
>Those look exactly like the magazine rack covers on the other pages.
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't all Nikes require an erector for
>launch?

If its a matter of semantics that's one thing but he called them "silo's"
and these are called "silo's" and I can get you a plethora of web pages
that call them "silo's" also.

People might like Larry much but whether it is him or someone else's post
that you are going to argue with make sure you don't put your foot in your
mouth while doing it.

The Ghost of General Lee

2005-12-06, 2:48 am

On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:37:37 -0500, rring <none@invalid.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:13:41 -0500, The Ghost of General Lee
><ghost@general.lee> wrote:
>
>
>
>If its a matter of semantics that's one thing but he called them "silo's"
>and these are called "silo's" and I can get you a plethora of web pages
>that call them "silo's" also.

Oh really? With Larry, it's always a matter of semantics *and* of
fact. BTW, from that site you referenced:

"This technique contrasts with the popular notion of a missile "silo"
in which missiles are stored inside of a deep vertical well in a
ready-to-fire condition."

So it appears they don't even consider them silos. I've seen a bunch
of websites by people claiming to be abducted by UFOs, but that don't
make it so, does it?

>People might like Larry much but whether it is him or someone else's post
>that you are going to argue with make sure you don't put your foot in your
>mouth while doing it.
>

Talk to Larry, the master of foot in mouth disease. Or did you catch
his latest claim that a 737 crashed into a 16' hole in the Pentagon on
9/11/2001?

David S

2005-12-06, 2:48 am

On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:37:37 -0500, rring <none@invalid.com> chose to add
this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

>On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:13:41 -0500, The Ghost of General Lee
><ghost@general.lee> wrote:
>
>
>If its a matter of semantics that's one thing but he called them "silo's"
>and these are called "silo's" and I can get you a plethora of web pages
>that call them "silo's" also.

And does each and every one of those pages misuse apostrophes?

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David L

2005-12-07, 5:48 pm

That's what I thought, unitl I asked a friend who was buying a home
near me and near an old Nike Missle base. He said definelty they were
nuclear. Come to find out he was a protege of Edward teller and helped
design nuclear weapons....

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/airdef/nike-ajax.htm

"By 1958, the Army deployed nearly 200 Nike Ajax batteries around the
nation's cities and vital military installations. Soon thereafter,
the Army began gradually deactivating the Nike Ajax batteries and
replacing them with the longer-range nuclear-capable Nike Hercules. The
Army Air Defense Command (ARADCOM) deactivated the last Nike Ajax
batteries guarding the Norfolk, Virginia, area in late 1963.

In June 1958, a process of conversion to the longer range Nike Hercules
missile began. Subsequently, the Nike Ajax batteries were either
modified to accept the new missile or deactivated. In November 1963,
Site N-63 guarding Norfolk, Virginia, was the last Nike Ajax battery to
be deactivated. However, the Nike Ajax missile continued service
overseas with the U.S. Army and with the military forces of America's
allies for many more years."

Jerome Zelinske

2005-12-08, 5:48 pm

On a more pleasant note, the nike site, nuke or not, in Milwaukee has
been converted to a state park.

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