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> Are there any posters or lurkers out there that have been FORCED to
> pay a
> termination fee on their silly "contract"? I'm not talking about
> being
> scared into it by idle threats from some company hack. I'm talking
> about
> anyone who has been prosecuted in court for NOT paying the
> termination fee,
> or has had their credit report tagged and knows (not just thinks)
> it's
> tagged.
>
> Let's hear from any of you to this thread that has actually been
> FORCED to
> pay the fee.....or positively knows someone else who has been FORCED
> to pay
> the fees.
>
> --
> Larry
>
> Oh, this is gonna be a fun thread....(c;

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> Are there any posters or lurkers out there that have been FORCED to pay a
> termination fee on their silly "contract"? I'm not talking about being
> scared into it by idle threats from some company hack. I'm talking about
> anyone who has been prosecuted in court for NOT paying the termination

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> or has had their credit report tagged and knows (not just thinks) it's
> tagged.
>
> Let's hear from any of you to this thread that has actually been FORCED to
> pay the fee.....or positively knows someone else who has been FORCED to

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> the fees.
>
> --
> Larry
>
> Oh, this is gonna be a fun thread....(c;

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> Taken
> auto dealers and the like to the court and have not lost yet.

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> Generally it is easier for the provider to report you to the credit
> bureaus as delinquent on your obligations, that usually gets the
> customer's attention faster & gets the fee paid much faster.
>
> Fred
>

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> Generally it is easier for the provider to report you to the credit

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> as delinquent on your obligations, that usually gets the customer's
> attention faster & gets the fee paid much faster.
>
>

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> "Fred" <agunat@yahoo.com> wrote in news:tYjte.768$up5.169@lakeread02:
>
>
> But, as I stated in my question, I'm looking for anyone who has been

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> to pay....not someone paying because of fear, their usual tactic. To

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> I've found NOONE!
>
> Anyone been FORCED to pay? Let's hear your story!!

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> "Fred" <agunat@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:tYjte.768$up5.169@lakeread02...
>
> But then the fee would not get paid because its already
> on your report and the damage is done. There is no way in
> hell they will remove it even if you do pay. Been there,
> done that.

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> RM wrote:
>
> But a 30 day deliquent is less negative points than a
> 90 day deliquent which is less than a 120 day deliquent?
>
> -Quick
>
>

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> Been there, done that.

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>Oh, this is gonna be a fun thread....(c;

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> "RM" <rm@blah.blah> wrote in
> news:5sqte.32060$yp5.29121@fe03.news.easynews.com:
>
>
> So, the only thing they "did" to you is attach to your
> credit report?
>
> That won't stop you from getting a loan/credit card/etc.,
> by the way.

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> Other than seeing you drag out the jet ski story again, the only fun
> to be seen in this thread is why someone who *left* VZW and *had* to
> pay their ETF would still be hanging around in the VZW group to answer
> your question.
>
> Maybe it would be better directed at VZW's competitors' groups.
>

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> Other than seeing you drag out the jet ski story again, the only fun
> to be seen in this thread is why someone who *left* VZW and *had* to
> pay their ETF would still be hanging around in the VZW group to answer
> your question.
>
> Maybe it would be better directed at VZW's competitors' groups.
>

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> The Ghost of General Lee <ghost@general.lee> wrote in
> news:9uvdb19ag0dovlr
5j5k4a7mv073t68mqg0@
4ax.com:
>
>
> Oh, I forgot. My question wasn't about Verizon. I was
> also asking Verizon customers who had broken their
> contracts with other carriers, any other carriers, if
> they had been FORCED to pay the termination fee.
>
> More obviously, today, the answer is no.....

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> On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 09:53:47 -0400, Larry W4CSC <noone@home.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Other than seeing you drag out the jet ski story again, the only fun
> to be seen in this thread is why someone who *left* VZW and *had* to
> pay their ETF would still be hanging around in the VZW group to answer
> your question.
>
> Maybe it would be better directed at VZW's competitors' groups.
>

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>The Ghost of General Lee <ghost@general.lee> wrote in
> news:9uvdb19ag0dovlr
5j5k4a7mv073t68mqg0@
4ax.com:
>
>
>Is there an answer to my question in there somewhere....or just the usual
>attacks to prevent them from finding out the truth?...(c;

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>By the way, I was a Verizon customer...before that a GTE customer...before
>that a Cellular One customer...before that the 6th cellular customer in
>Charleston, SC on Cellular One of Charleston...before that a Dialpage IMTS
>customer...before that a Bell$outh IMTS customer.

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>I have never broken a
>contract with anyone, including Verizon Wireless. There are lots of
>previous Verizon customers reading, posting and lurking on this PUBLIC
>newsgroup. If you don't want to read our posts and comments, I suggest you
>go to some company sanitized love group off Usenet the company hacks can
>content control. Then, you won't have to read anything bad about Verizon's
>business practices...the lies, false ads, false coverage maps, etc.
>Everything will be just peachy! But, don't try to censor the usenet group.
>It isn't going to happen which is why we are all here, including you.

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>
> No, Larry. No one is attacking you. And I can't recall
> ever doing it myself. My suggestion was merely that you
> might get a more of a response by posting it where ex-VZW
> customers are likely to hang out.

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> Hey Larry, I'll give you $100 if you can point out where
> I've tried to censor you in this thread. If anything,
> I've suggested a route where you might get more answers
> to your question by posting it in *additional* forums.
> Is that your definition of "censorship", Larry?

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>The Ghost of General Lee <ghost@general.lee> wrote in
> news:9uvdb19ag0dovlr
5j5k4a7mv073t68mqg0@
4ax.com:
>
>
>Oh, I forgot. My question wasn't about Verizon. I was also asking Verizon
>customers who had broken their contracts with other carriers, any other
>carriers, if they had been FORCED to pay the termination fee.
>

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> It can effect the rate you're offered though. It's like getting
> auto insurance with a DWI and a few chargeable accidents
> on your recent DMV record.
>
> -Quick
>
>

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> My suggestion was merely that you might get a more of a
> response by posting it where ex-VZW customers are likely to hang out.
>

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> Are you looking for
> someone that VZW went through a court action to be
> paid? What are the chances of that? Bringing legal
> action against individuals for $175 would not be a real
> smart move by a multi million dollar company. It would
> really piss off the courts and wouldn't be worth the negative
> PR giving fodder to the likes of you.
>

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> So only true ex-VZW customers will count for much in what he's looking
> for.
>
>

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>
> Personally, I think America could stand a very hard dose of poor credit
> ratings. Debt is killing the young generation brainwashed by fast and easy
> credit.

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> The rate is properly called "usury". We used to string them up for what
> they are doing, now, back before 1900. Today, we've made it fashionable.

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> But, as you have noticed, not one single soul has said anything about being
> FORCED to pay the termination fee to any company....in hot pursuit.

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> more companyspeak bullshit. Huge corporations don't worry about a few
> hundred bucks....especially as huge as VZW. They don't even know you
> exist. You're just a bacterium on an elephant's XXX. He can't see you.

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>
> However, there are plenty of people who have good credit
> whose FICO score would suffer pretty badly from having a
> collection or even a 90-day delinquency on their account,
> and I still say that your insistence that they just let
> it ride is foolish and irresponsible, even though you're
> not wrong about the way credit is (mis)used these days.

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>The Ghost of General Lee <ghost@general.lee> wrote in
> news:ikgeb1tda3n2iss
beiljusashi86i0tvvq@
4ax.com:
>
>
>As I pointed out, this is about all cellular companies, not just VZW.

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>This
>is the most active newsgroup. Hell, we hardly have anyone post to Alltel.

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> You're promoting a "just don't pay it" movement?

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> Larry's tin foil hat is leaking. He will figure it out in a bit and
> adjust it. When he does he will read a bit less into the
> suggestions but we'll probably hear the story on removing
> the chairs from the waiting room again... -;)
>
> -Quick
>
>

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> "Quick" <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in
> news:1119311492.373867@sj-nntpcache-5:
>
>
> Where'd I say that??

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>
> As the kiddie krappers in the sand box continue to flail
> away, as usual, it is interesting to note that noone
> posted any story about being FORCED to pay an early
> termination fee....as I suspected.

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> Larry W4CSC wrote:
>
> I'm still wrestling with what you mean by "FORCED"?
> I get the impression that having your account sent to a
> collection agency doesn't qualify?

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> Larry W4CSC wrote:
>
> I'm still wrestling with what you mean by "FORCED"?
> I get the impression that having your account sent to a
> collection agency doesn't qualify?

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> Well, it was interesting while it lasted....before the childish attacks
> commenced.

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> "RM" <rm@blah.blah> wrote in
> news:5sqte.32060$yp5.29121@fe03.news.easynews.com:
>
>
> So, the only thing they "did" to you is attach to your credit report?
>
> That won't stop you from getting a loan/credit card/etc., by the way.
>
> --
> Larry
>
> You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and your outlined in
> chalk.
>

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> Just a quick note about your credit score. According to
> Kiplinger's magazine... your score IMPROVES if you have
> credit cards with large limits on them that you do not
> use. I always thought that you should close a credit
> card if you don't use it - but that's not true. When
> calculating your credit score ONE of the factors is the
> ratio of unsecured credit limit to unsecured credit used.
> If you have a CC with 10K available and you have used 3K
> of that limit, you get a better score than if you had no
> CC and no CC debt.

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> Just a quick note about your credit score. According to Kiplinger's
> magazine... your score IMPROVES if you have credit cards with large limits
> on them that you do not use. I always thought that you should close a
> credit card if you don't use it - but that's not true. When calculating
> your credit score ONE of the factors is the ratio of unsecured credit
> limit to unsecured credit used. If you have a CC with 10K available and
> you have used 3K of that limit, you get a better score than if you had no
> CC and no CC debt.
>

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> She after receiving and looking at the documents called back to say
> that she believed I had a valid point of not paying and told her
> client that. it never appeared in my credit profile and it has never
> harmed me from getting service any where else.

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>
> Problem here is that they cant "force" you to pay. All they can do is get a
> judgement against you which in a lot of states dont mean shit.

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> What is your agenda with this poll??

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> You keep making exclaimations to the effect
> of "as I expected". Where are you going with
> this? Care to share?
>

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> An entity could "take" the money by garnishing wages, putting a lean on
> or reposessing some property. I suppose that's as close to forcing a
> payment as anything.
>
>

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> They in turn
> can go so far as to serve similar papers to your employer - that is, if
> you are gainfully employed - and then have wages garnished.
>

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> "Quick" <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in
> news:1119319824.684487@sj-nntpcache-5:
>
>
> I'll play with your attempt at a flamewar a little
> longer....(sigh)
> My agenda is to show that all this fear mongering we've
> seen in the newsgroup about termination fees is pure
> company bullshit. I know you won't like that, you being
> a company man and all, but as you can see there hasn't
> been any posts, except the usual bullshit posts like
> yours.
>
>
> I didn't expect to find anyone who got FORCED into
> paying. I haven't read the rest of the torrent of flame
> bullshit posts, yet, but none has shown up so far...
>
> I'm not "going anywhere". I just wanted to see if anyone
> would post their REAL experience. Sorry if, as always, I
> ruffled your pro-company feathers.
>
> What's YOUR agenda, attacking everyone who may ask
> something the company might not like? What's your
> concern?

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> "Quick" <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in
> news:1119319824.684487@sj-nntpcache-5:
>
>
> I'll play with your attempt at a flamewar a little longer....(sigh)
> My agenda is to show that all this fear mongering we've seen in the
> newsgroup about termination fees is pure company bullshit. I know you
> won't like that, you being a company man and all, but as you can see there
> hasn't been any posts, except the usual bullshit posts like yours.
>
>
> I didn't expect to find anyone who got FORCED into paying. I haven't read
> the rest of the torrent of flame bullshit posts, yet, but none has shown

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> so far...
>
> I'm not "going anywhere". I just wanted to see if anyone would post their
> REAL experience. Sorry if, as always, I ruffled your pro-company

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>
> What's YOUR agenda, attacking everyone who may ask something the company
> might not like? What's your concern?
>
> --
> Larry
>
> Your turn....(sigh)

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>"David L" <davlindi@hotmail.com> wrote in
>news:1119322329.757676.31620@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>Not in SC and many other states.....doesn't wash.

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> Elector wrote:
>
>
> Wow, I'm surprised. That's the first instance I've ever heard of where a
> bill collector has actually admitted to the alleged debtor having a valid
> point. Most simply don't care if your point is valid or not; they
> generally are only interested in harrassing you to the point where you
> give in and pay.
>
>
> --
> E-mail fudged to thwart spammers.
> Transpose the c's and a's in my e-mail address to reply.

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> "David L" <davlindi@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:1119322329.757676.31620@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
>
>
> Not in SC and many other states.....doesn't wash.

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> Collectors are prone to send a letter stating if this debt is not valid or

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> Elector wrote:
>
>
> Collectors are *required* to send such letters.
>
>
>
> --
> JustThe.net - Steve Sobol / sjsobol@JustThe.net / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED
> Coming to you from Southern California's High Desert, where the
> temperatures are as high as the gas prices! / 888.480.4NET (4638)
>
> "Life's like an hourglass glued to the table" --Anna Nalick, "Breathe"

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> Larry, under South Carolina law, a lien may placed against *real*
> property within the state, but collection doesn't happen until
> transfer of the property.
>

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>The Ghost of General Lee <ghost@general.lee> wrote in
> news:a5oib15vfjqso4j
qj3pocu8e0lq31r7nf1@
4ax.com:
>
>
>People living in an apartment or living in a mobile home don't have any
>real estate to attach the lein to. Personal property, which is what the
>mobile home is like a car, isn't "real". If they are hard up for the ETF,
>the car isn't worth stealing anyways.

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>The carriers know all this, I'm sure...(c; "You can't get blood out of a
>stone.", as my attorney puts it...(c;

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>
> Then you don't have the right attorney. I'm in the process of slowly
> bleeding a stone now.

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> On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 22:37:55 -0400, Larry W4CSC
> <noone@home.com> wrote:
>
>
> Uh, no shit, Larry. Remember when I said a lien couldn't
> be put on that trailer of yours? I put the word "real"
> between the asterisks for a reason.
>
>
> Then you don't have the right attorney. I'm in the
> process of slowly bleeding a stone now.