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Larry - wrong again and again, AND again.....
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| Richard Ness 2005-06-25, 10:55 pm |
| 2 errors
1. AMPS very definitely had multiple power levels - 4 or 6, I can't remember
Some carriers used it, some didn't, but it certainly was there as part of
the 'spec'.
Every time I ran a customer's phone on my old Marconi test rig it tested
them all.
The old Motorola 'bluebook' would show you this also. This is absolute FACT.
Not the pure fiction like you try to pass off as fact.
******Caution*****
For you newer readers, PLEASE don't take Larry's posts as
fact. He posts blatantly false info a fair percentage of the time.
Larry = BS >80% of the time.
2. The second is your oh so tired rant about revenue. Which has been
de-bunked multiple times, yet you continue to persist. Larry, you have it
completely backwards. As subscriber growth exploded exponentially,
cell companies were forced to make cells smaller. Something you are not
saying is this was happening from the very beginning, in the AMPS days also.
They were called (at least by us) "micro cells". This is very certainly NOT
a
phenomenon of digital. It is simply because of rapid subscriber base growth
and trying to continue to provide a high quality service to the customer.
This
'greed' crap you continue to spew is getting very old and is just WRONG.
Bottom line is that if this hadn't happened, NO ONE would be able to talk.
The cellular systems would be hopelessly overloaded. So, is it greedy for
a company to provide their customers quality so they stay and new ones come?
Oh - a couple of week ago, I was in the middle of nowhere for a week and
MUCH more than the "2 or 3 miles" you always (falsely) talk about. No
external
antenna, just the phone itself. Every one of my calls were digital and only
one
dropped call out of more than a hundred. Again Larry = BS
"Larry W4CSC" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96806541FFA5
3w4csc@63.223.7.253...
quote:
> GeorgeB <nospam@att.net> wrote in
> news:hsmqb1l120n7mme
mi8a03jtaj747agqv17@
4ax.com:
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> The cell commands the level of your transmitter. It's very important to
> "turn down" the strong phones on the shared channel to a level in reason
> with the phones farther away to prevent the strong phones from swamping
> the
> receiver at the cell. If they are all reasonably level, it works fine.
>
>
> AMPS phones all ran wide open because noone else was on your channel but
> you. AMPS is a simply narrow-band FM radio system with a control channel
> for signalling. The mobiles and bagphones ran 3 watts from a gelcell.
>
> The carriers keep foisting lower and lower powered phones on the customers
> to increase revenue-per-square-mile in the cities where the money is. The
> lower-powered the phones, the closer the cells with lower and lower
> antennas, the more simultaneous calls can happen. This keeps you from
> hearing system busy signals. More demand, more revenues. Newer phones
> are
> going into the 150-200mw limits, now. I don't think any run 300mw.
>
> Of course, out in the countryside, the lower powered phones have only a
> couple of miles range from the cells, which are much farther apart except
> on major highways, mostly interstates. The result for users out here is
> they no longer have smooth coverage they had on their 3W carphones, but
> have little footprints of coverage within 2 or 3 miles of each widely-
> spaced cell.
>
> --
> Larry
>
> You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and you're outlined in
> chalk.
>
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| Larry W4CSC 2005-06-26, 6:55 am |
| "Richard Ness" <richard.no@gamn.spam.nessnet.com> wrote in news:-
JSdnRJSJIugMCDfRVn-iw@comcast.com:
quote:
> 2 errors
>
AS you are so smart....why didn't YOU post what you KNEW to the person
asking the question.......instead of flailing away in the sandbox with the
Tonka Truck at anyone who dared say anything positive?
--
Larry
You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and you're outlined in
chalk.
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| Steve Sobol 2005-06-26, 6:55 am |
| Larry W4CSC wrote:
quote:
> why didn't YOU post what you KNEW to the person
> asking the question.......instead of flailing away in the sandbox with the
> Tonka Truck
The phrase "what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander" comes to mind.
Another phrase, "pot, kettle, black" also comes to mind.
Anytime ANYONE dares to argue with anything you say regarding cellular
carriers (not just Verizon), they are labeled apologists. I don't believe
I've seen you concede a single point to anyone in the few years I've read
your stuff. Instead, you choose to issue ad hominems right and left.
--
JustThe.net - Steve Sobol / sjsobol@JustThe.net / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED
Coming to you from Southern California's High Desert, where the
temperatures are as high as the gas prices! / 888.480.4NET (4638)
"Life's like an hourglass glued to the table" --Anna Nalick, "Breathe"
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| Richard Ness 2005-06-26, 6:55 am |
| You.... positive??
THAT would be news...
Or, a very refreshing change for once.
Oh BTW... I didn't say anything about where you got all of that CDMA test
screen info earlier. You will fine the original source,
NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 01:37:17 CST
http://groups-beta.google.com/group...de=source&hl=en
Not that I think that credit should have been given or that you plagiarized
it, (which you basically did). But it will show you how helpful this person
has been in the past. It's the very same person you are criticizing now for
not being helpful.
Larry, please know that I have nothing personal against you. You have a very
good base of RF knowledge and I respect that. And yet you let your negative
personal OPINIONS heavily skew most of your posts. That is what (really)
bugs me. You post as if this crap of yours is 100% factual. I seriously
think that you really know better, so I called, (and will keep calling) you
on it.
We've been 'dancing' now for years.
Maybe if you actually admitted you were wrong, even ONCE.... folks here
would (maybe) lighten up on you.
"Larry W4CSC" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9680DF47EF77
6w4csc@63.223.7.253...
quote:
> "Richard Ness" <richard.no@gamn.spam.nessnet.com> wrote in news:-
> JSdnRJSJIugMCDfRVn-iw@comcast.com:
>
>
> AS you are so smart....why didn't YOU post what you KNEW to the person
> asking the question.......instead of flailing away in the sandbox with the
> Tonka Truck at anyone who dared say anything positive?
>
> --
> Larry
>
> You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and you're outlined in
> chalk.
>
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| Steve Sobol 2005-06-26, 6:55 am |
| Richard Ness wrote:
quote:
> Larry, please know that I have nothing personal against you. You have a very
> good base of RF knowledge and I respect that. And yet you let your negative
> personal OPINIONS heavily skew most of your posts. That is what (really)
> bugs me. You post as if this crap of yours is 100% factual. I seriously
> think that you really know better, so I called, (and will keep calling) you
> on it.
>
> We've been 'dancing' now for years.
>
> Maybe if you actually admitted you were wrong, even ONCE.... folks here
> would (maybe) lighten up on you.
Company shill!
*cough*
(someone had to say it)
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JustThe.net - Steve Sobol / sjsobol@JustThe.net / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED
Coming to you from Southern California's High Desert, where the
temperatures are as high as the gas prices! / 888.480.4NET (4638)
"Life's like an hourglass glued to the table" --Anna Nalick, "Breathe"
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