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> Hello.
>
> I am interested in the Treo 650. Anyone report from someone who
> has this phone with VZW? Battery life, OTA Outlook sync, network
> connection speed, etc???
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>

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> The only downside I'm aware of (for existing customers) is that if they
> had previously been able to use data for just the cost of minutes,
> selecting a PDA (or even replacing a PDA) will likely trigger a separate
> data plan requirement. That's all well and good if you understand that
> going in.
>
> -Dan
>
> PS: for me personally, the current data prices are insane. Literally more
> expensive than starting a separate voice plan. To each their own.
>
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> Oregon and the Pacific Northwest
> http://cell.uoregon.edu
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>Dan, you are correct, however, a call to CS explaining that you have a PDA
>for its PDA convenience (if you remember when PDA's didn't have phone's
>built in) and you would like the per-use data that uses your minutes; and
>none of this data plan. You will find that this is possible, you just need
>to ask for it.
>
>Alternatively: Two "opposite" requirements: 1) You DO NOT want a data plan,
>but yet 2)You want national access because you have get-it-now capability.
>
>Those two combinations should get you the original plan you are on. vZW
>blames the automatic data plan on the way their computers are programmed;
>yet fail to recognize that VZW programmed them that way. dr (who has a Treo
>750 scheduled for delivery for me today, and my friend the next day)
>(still skeptical of the keyboard, but the graphics and features are awesome,
>but accessories are $$$)

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> Is it possible to get this MOU plan for the Treo 650 in all areas ?

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>
>I believe you may be misunderstanding what the Dr. is saying. He isn't
>saying you can get MOU billing on the treo in the sense of no additional
>charges save minutes. He is saying you can subscribe to data as pay-per-use
>at 1.5 cents per kilobyte, or $15/megabyte. Bear in mind that not using any
>data under this scenario costs you nothing.
>
>So as he said, if you simply want the PDA, and phone, without data, you can
>get it without an additional monthly fee.
>
>-Dan

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>
> I believe you may be misunderstanding what the Dr. is saying. He isn't
> saying you can get MOU billing on the treo in the sense of no additional
> charges save minutes. He is saying you can subscribe to data as
> pay-per-use at 1.5 cents per kilobyte, or $15/megabyte. Bear in mind that
> not using any data under this scenario costs you nothing.
>
> So as he said, if you simply want the PDA, and phone, without data, you
> can get it without an additional monthly fee.
>
> -Dan
>
> PS- as a diversion on this topic:
>
> I still find Verizon data pricing unreasonable. Note that Verizon sales
> people two years ago were telling every customer about the included high
> speed data option. It was "fishy" then, only because it has never been
> mentioned on the website. Note that I got permission to use 1X data for
> the cost of minutes (no addl fee) in writing from our Verizon rep. And,
> no I don't expect this to grant me unlimited included data, but it should
> reverse the charges once if I get billed for data down the road-- as it
> would be a clear change from past policy on the matter.
>
> So much of what we use on our plans is never promised in writing
> anywhere-- even basic things like coverage area can change over time as
> preferred roaming partners are changed. It's crappy that the normal party
> line about included data changed. The sales folks shouldn't promise
> features simply because of the way they are currently billed. Verizon
> promised this two years ago, so systematically, that I believe it was
> intentional. i.e. Get them hooked on data, then later make them pay.
> Anyway, if you spent time in Verizon stores two years ago, called 611,etc.
> literally every rep you spoke with would promise this feature when asked.
> It's very clear to me that the company policy changed to better suit their
> revenue needs. By the way, I do realize data is expensive to provide, the
> error was virtually every sales person promising this feature to begin
> with, and allowing the "error" to exist for going on 3 years. This gives
> customers like me years of billing statements showing no charge for data.
> And yes, I am aware at some point it can simply change.
>
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> Oregon and the Pacific Northwest
> http://cell.uoregon.edu
>
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>
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> Apologies for typing in the dark: this is a 650 note, and I made a typo:
> The Treo 650 is what I have on order. (I have no knowledge of a 750,
> sorry).
>
> Also, I explained how "I" keep, and recommend to others how to keep, data
> per-use on an existing/current vZW line of service; vZW does not "tell me"
> how to work around their computer systems or revenue sources. To be fair:
> (although vZW is under no obligation to be fair) this is because I/we/they
> have had the per-use data on our line(s) already and want to keep it
> without paying MORE for less from vZW. It would be un-fair to try this on
> a new line of service, as they don't offer that per-use promo anymore.
> dr
> --
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> are used to)
> If I can help: dr.news@better-price.biz.delete-the-obvious or thru this
> notes forum.
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> http://free.better-price.biz
>
> "Treo Leo" <treoleo@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:mo%ve.10054$NX4.4711@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
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> Very cool dr.
>
> I suspect keeping the no addl cost MOU billing requires someone to
> find a rep/dealer willing to add the 650 without a price plan.
>
> Although my data use is only occassional, I do care about it for the
> times when I use it (Mostly I'm in places with wireless or other
> options).
>
> Some VZW people have claimed that some Verizon staff are looking
> for Treo ESN's attached to voice-only plans. These users claim to have
> received a letter requiring them to select a data plan. (I read this
> awhile
> back in Howard Forums).
>
> Oddly, my 7135 on my existing account with MOU serves most all of
> my needs. I would have liked the high-res screen and keyboard for SSH
> to avoid laptop tethering, but otherwise pleased with what I've got.
>
> I find Rick Witt's directory assistant, for directory assistance,
> including
> maps and driving directions to be very valuabe tool when I'm on the road.
> http://home.triad.rr.com/rlwhitt/palm/
>
> -Dan
>
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> http://cell.uoregon.edu
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> "dr.news" <dr.news@better-price.biz.delete-the-obvious> wrote in message
> news:swbwe.1653$RC6.537@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
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>...
>I'll read the manual (yes, I do) but giving up the flip
>(7135) for a Treo 650 (even if for free) is a stretch
>for me. If I'm going to give up the flip, maybe I just
>give up on palm, and wait for the Samsung on the 7th.
>Decisions, decisions.
>...

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>
> "dr.news" <dr.news@better-price.biz.delete-the-obvious> wrote:
>
> I also liked the flip design of my 7135 but the flip case
> for the Treo makes it feel a little like a flip phone too :-)
>
> Maybe they can improve on the case so you can open it just
> by snapping your wrist.