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| Michelle Steiner 2005-06-29, 4:55 pm |
| I just found this on Motorola's web site:
"The V710 phone hardware regardless of carrier software does not support
the SPP (Serial Port Profile) or OBEX (Object Exchange) profile that
most devices require to access the phonebook or transfer files. These
features can not be added via a software upgrade. Particularly this is
an issue when customers want to get their phonebook out of the phone and
into their non-Motorola Bluetooth Car Kit. Our Motorola IHF1000 and OEM
Telematics Bluetooth Car Kits allow access to the phonebook through the
Bluetooth connection using the Motorola AT commands available to
registered developers at_www.motocoder.com."
<https://motorola.custhelp.com/cgi-b...duser/std_adp.p
hp?p_admin=1&p_userid=177& p_passwd=u8ZqM5YrTNB
haBbppUzEz/&p_faqid=4136&p_
created=1092940495>
<http://tinyurl.com/d5yd>
--
Stop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush.
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| Special Ed 2005-06-29, 4:55 pm |
| "Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
news:michelle-EF0A57.10520429062005@news.west.cox.net...
quote:
>I just found this on Motorola's web site:
>
> Stop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush.
You know, anything intelligent you may have to contribute is negated by your
adolescent sig. Grow up, child...and support the President who is trying to
keep us safe from terrorists.
Ed
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| Michelle Steiner 2005-06-29, 4:55 pm |
| In article <l7udnYwXE8mafF_fRVn-iA@comcast.com>,
"Special Ed" <spled@dropout.edu> wrote:
quote:
> You know, anything intelligent you may have to contribute is negated
> by your adolescent sig. Grow up, child...and support the President
> who is trying to keep us safe from terrorists.
Anything intelligent you may have to contribute has yet to appear. And
unlike smarmy ignorant knee-jerk bushbots, I know that Bush is not
trying to keep us safe from terrorists.
If you grow up enough to be able to think for yourself, get back to us.
--
Stop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush.
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| Strike 2005-06-29, 10:55 pm |
| As much as I hate to continue this thread, I have to agree with Michelle.
"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
news:michelle-341BB9.12031029062005@news.west.cox.net...
quote:
> In article <l7udnYwXE8mafF_fRVn-iA@comcast.com>,
> "Special Ed" <spled@dropout.edu> wrote:
>
>
> Anything intelligent you may have to contribute has yet to appear. And
> unlike smarmy ignorant knee-jerk bushbots, I know that Bush is not
> trying to keep us safe from terrorists.
>
> If you grow up enough to be able to think for yourself, get back to us.
>
> --
> Stop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush.
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| BruceR 2005-06-29, 10:55 pm |
| Since politics has very little to do with this thread and NG, may I
suggest that the politcal comments and debates be posted on a more
appropriate forum?
From:Strike
Strikeme@noclass.rr.com
[vbcol=darkred]
> As much as I hate to continue this thread, I have to agree with
> Michelle.
> "Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
> news:michelle-341BB9.12031029062005@news.west.cox.net...
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| SOME BAD HAT HARRY 2005-06-29, 10:55 pm |
|
"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
news:michelle-EF0A57.10520429062005@news.west.cox.net...
quote:
> I just found this on Motorola's web site:
>
> "The V710 phone hardware regardless of carrier software does not support
> the SPP (Serial Port Profile) or OBEX (Object Exchange) profile that
> most devices require to access the phonebook or transfer files. These
> features can not be added via a software upgrade. Particularly this is
> an issue when customers want to get their phonebook out of the phone and
> into their non-Motorola Bluetooth Car Kit. Our Motorola IHF1000 and OEM
> Telematics Bluetooth Car Kits allow access to the phonebook through the
> Bluetooth connection using the Motorola AT commands available to
> registered developers at www.motocoder.com."
>
> <https://motorola.custhelp.com/cgi-b...duser/std_adp.p
> hp?p_admin=1&p_userid=177& p_passwd=u8ZqM5YrTNB
haBbppUzEz/&p_faqid=4136&p_
> created=1092940495>
>
> <http://tinyurl.com/d5yd>
>
> --
> Stop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush.
Love your sig line. Is that dope still in office???????
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| Destrux 2005-06-29, 10:55 pm |
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"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
news:michelle-EF0A57.10520429062005@news.west.cox.net...
quote:
>I just found this on Motorola's web site:
>
> "The V710 phone hardware regardless of carrier software does not support
> the SPP (Serial Port Profile) or OBEX (Object Exchange) profile that
> most devices require to access the phonebook or transfer files. These
> features can not be added via a software upgrade. Particularly this is
> an issue when customers want to get their phonebook out of the phone and
> into their non-Motorola Bluetooth Car Kit. Our Motorola IHF1000 and OEM
> Telematics Bluetooth Car Kits allow access to the phonebook through the
> Bluetooth connection using the Motorola AT commands available to
> registered developers at www.motocoder.com."
quote:
> Stop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush.
Is there a point to this post? This has been known ever since the V710
came out.
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| Michelle Steiner 2005-06-29, 10:55 pm |
| In article <SPDwe.70136$XQ.977144@twister.southeast.rr.com>,
"Destrux" <destrux.placeholder@hotmail.freelydelete.com> wrote:
quote:
>
>
> Is there a point to this post? This has been known ever since the V710
> came out.
No, it hasn't. It's been reported many times that the capability had
been removed at Verizon's request, and that it could be restored with a
software.upgrade
Now, Motorola is saying that it doesn't matter which carrier--the phone
will never support OBEX, and no software upgrade can change that.
--
Stop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush.
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| Special Ed 2005-06-29, 10:55 pm |
| "Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
news:michelle-341BB9.12031029062005@news.west.cox.net...
quote:
> In article <l7udnYwXE8mafF_fRVn-iA@comcast.com>,
> "Special Ed" <spled@dropout.edu> wrote:
>
>
> Anything intelligent you may have to contribute has yet to appear. And
> unlike smarmy ignorant knee-jerk bushbots, I know that Bush is not
> trying to keep us safe from terrorists.
>
> If you grow up enough to be able to think for yourself, get back to us.
Ya' know the Navy thought I was able to think well enough to command an
F/A18 attack wing on numerous combat missions over Iraq and Kuwait. This was
from an aircraft carrier in the Persian Gulf as part of Operation Desert
Shield and Desert Storm where we were protecting even you and your ilk from
harm. And yes I've been shot at and yes I've been hit.
A simple apology to me an every other military person in the NG would be
appropriate.
Ed
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| Thomas M. Goethe 2005-06-29, 10:55 pm |
| "Special Ed" <spled@dropout.edu> wrote in message
news:97idnaxPipfahF7
fRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
quote:
>
> Ya' know the Navy thought I was able to think well enough to command an
> F/A18 attack wing on numerous combat missions over Iraq and Kuwait. This
> was from an aircraft carrier in the Persian Gulf as part of Operation
> Desert Shield and Desert Storm where we were protecting even you and your
> ilk from harm. And yes I've been shot at and yes I've been hit.
>
> A simple apology to me an every other military person in the NG would be
> appropriate.
>
eD,
Thanks for helping to keep the rest of us safe. May all your traps be
good ones.
--
Thomas M. Goethe
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| PTravel 2005-06-29, 10:55 pm |
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"Special Ed" <spled@dropout.edu> wrote in message
news:l7udnYwXE8mafF_
fRVn-iA@comcast.com...
quote:
> "Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
> news:michelle-EF0A57.10520429062005@news.west.cox.net...
>
> You know, anything intelligent you may have to contribute is negated by
your
quote:
> adolescent sig. Grow up, child...and support the President who is trying
to
quote:
> keep us safe from terrorists.
You know, anything intelligent that you may have to contribute is negated by
your adolescent reply. Grow up, child. At least for the time being, people
are allowed to have differing political views. Disagreeing with yours
doesn't make one immature. Stamping one's feet and calling people names
because you disagree with their politics, on the the other hand, does.
quote:
>
> Ed
>
>
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| willum 2005-06-30, 6:55 am |
|
"Special Ed" <spled@dropout.edu> wrote in message
news:l7udnYwXE8mafF_
fRVn-iA@comcast.com...
quote:
> "Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
> news:michelle-EF0A57.10520429062005@news.west.cox.net...
>
> You know, anything intelligent you may have to contribute is negated by
> your adolescent sig. Grow up, child...and support the President who is
> trying to keep us safe from terrorists.
>
> Ed
>
You are a retard.
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| Quaoar 2005-06-30, 6:55 am |
| willum wrote:
quote:
> "Special Ed" <spled@dropout.edu> wrote in message
> news:l7udnYwXE8mafF_
fRVn-iA@comcast.com...
>
> You are a retard.
Damn! That comment strikes right at Ed's heart. There can be no
counter-argument. My taxes pay for the creation of intellectual giants.
Q
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| CharlesH 2005-06-30, 6:55 am |
| Michelle Steiner wrote:
quote:
> Now, Motorola is saying that it doesn't matter which carrier--the phone
> will never support OBEX, and no software upgrade can change that.
Given that BT profiles are just software using the underlying BT RF
hardware, I wonder how it can be that no software upgrade can change it?
That's the whole idea of protocol stacks such as defined by BT: the
layers at the bottom have no idea what is running on top of them.
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| Michelle Steiner 2005-06-30, 6:55 am |
| In article <skMwe.1535$0V3.1503@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
CharlesH <hoch@exemplary.invalid> wrote:
quote:
>
> Given that BT profiles are just software using the underlying BT RF
> hardware, I wonder how it can be that no software upgrade can change
> it?
Well, there is either a valid reason or else Motorola is lying.
--
Stop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush.
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| John Mankos 2005-06-30, 4:55 pm |
| On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 13:57:27 -0400, "Special Ed" <spled@dropout.edu>
wrote:
quote:
>"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
>news:michelle-EF0A57.10520429062005@news.west.cox.net...
>
>You know, anything intelligent you may have to contribute is negated by your
>adolescent sig. Grow up, child...and support the President who is trying to
>keep us safe from terrorists.
>
>Ed
>
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little
temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety"
-- Benjamin Franklin
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|
| It's all Bush's fault!
"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
news:michelle-40ABB8.00093830062005@news.west.cox.net...
quote:
> In article <skMwe.1535$0V3.1503@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
> CharlesH <hoch@exemplary.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> Well, there is either a valid reason or else Motorola is lying.
>
> --
> Stop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush.
| |
|
| Special Ed wrote:
quote:
> "Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
> news:michelle-EF0A57.10520429062005@news.west.cox.net...
>
>
>
> You know, anything intelligent you may have to contribute is negated by your
> adolescent sig. Grow up, child...and support the President who is trying to
> keep us safe from terrorists.
>
> Ed
>
>
Ed, considering the fictitious 'from' string in your header, your
comment comes as no surprise to me.
--
jer
email reply - I am not a 'ten'
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|
| If I were motorola I'd be lying too. I bet they get tons of calls from
people whining to them and I'm sure there's no legal reason they
couldn't get away with that - only people internal to motorola know the
truth and as long as they don't leak it, Mot can lie all day long and
consumers wouldn't be the wiser.
But don't get me wrong, I want OBEX and OPP as much as the next guy,
selling crippled phones is outright lying, and if I remember right, the
original v710 ad campaign and literature did list capabilities such as
those...but then the listing of them started disappearing as more people
complained.
Skuzz
AL wrote:
quote:
> It's all Bush's fault!
>
>
> "Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
> news:michelle-40ABB8.00093830062005@news.west.cox.net...
>
>
>
>
| |
|
| Special Ed wrote:
quote:
> "Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
> news:michelle-EF0A57.10520429062005@news.west.cox.net...
>
> You know, anything intelligent you may have to contribute is negated
> by your adolescent sig. Grow up, child...and support the President
> who is trying to keep us safe from terrorists.
>
> Ed
Why would she want to support the most incompetent President in history?
| |
|
| Special Ed wrote:
quote:
> "Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
> news:michelle-341BB9.12031029062005@news.west.cox.net...
>
> Ya' know the Navy thought I was able to think well enough to command
> an F/A18 attack wing on numerous combat missions over Iraq and
> Kuwait. This was from an aircraft carrier in the Persian Gulf as part
> of Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm where we were protecting
> even you and your ilk from harm. And yes I've been shot at and yes
> I've been hit.
> A simple apology to me an every other military person in the NG would
> be appropriate.
>
> Ed
Shows how easy a jet is to fly. And yes I really can fly one.
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| Joseph E. Johnston 2005-07-04, 4:55 pm |
| "John" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:11cigka7vlt4544
@news.supernews.com...
quote:
> Special Ed wrote:
>
>
> Shows how easy a jet is to fly. And yes I really can fly one.
>
But you clearly don't understand the difference between "flying a jet"--
which anyone with a 10th grade education can do-- and taking off/landing a
high performance aircraft from a carrier, being in *combat* or *leading* a
combat air wing.
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| Joseph E. Johnston 2005-07-04, 4:55 pm |
| "John" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:11cigi1qjqhfs1e
@news.supernews.com...
quote:
> Special Ed wrote:
>
>
> Why would she want to support the most incompetent President in history?
>
Real simple actually. Regardless of your opinion of his ability, he's the
Commander in Chief and we're at war. That demands the support of every
American--- you and that twit OP are Americans, aren't you?
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| Strongbox 2005-07-04, 4:55 pm |
| On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 07:05:51 -0700, John wrote:
quote:
> Special Ed wrote:
>
>
> Why would she want to support the most incompetent President in history?
You obviously forgot about Jimmy Carter.....
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|
|
"Joseph E. Johnston" <fightinjoe@rebnet> wrote in message
news:EKednUhd_LPr11T
fRVn-qg@comcast.com...
quote:
> "John" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:11cigi1qjqhfs1e
@news.supernews.com...
>
> Real simple actually. Regardless of your opinion of his ability, he's the
> Commander in Chief and we're at war. That demands the support of every
> American--- you and that twit OP are Americans, aren't you?
>
>
Evidently NOT!!
bamp
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| Michelle Steiner 2005-07-05, 4:55 pm |
| In article <4odjm69pkv9x.cvuyx4txpbfx.dlg@40tude.net>,
Strongbox <strongbox@no.mail> wrote:
quote:
>
> You obviously forgot about Jimmy Carter.....
I would have to agree that Carter was less competent than Shrub; the
problem is that if Bush were incompetent, he wouldn't be XXXXing up the
nation as much as he is doing.
--
Stop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush.
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| Michelle Steiner 2005-07-05, 4:55 pm |
| In article <EKednUhd_LPr11TfRVn-qg@comcast.com>,
"Joseph E. Johnston" <fightinjoe@rebnet> wrote:
quote:
>
> Real simple actually. Regardless of your opinion of his ability, he's
> the Commander in Chief and we're at war. That demands the support of
> every American--- you and that twit OP are Americans, aren't you?
We're in a war that we shouldn't have started, and that we should be
trying to extricate ourself out of. I'll support efforts to get us out
of the war, but I will not support a president who insists on getting us
deeper into it. I made the mistake of supporting Nixon's war efforts,
and I'm not going to repeat it with Bush. Nixon was smart enough to
finally get us out of Vietnam; Bush doesn't appear to be as smart.
--
Stop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush.
| |
|
| Joseph E. Johnston wrote:
quote:
> "John" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:11cigka7vlt4544
@news.supernews.com...
>
> But you clearly don't understand the difference between "flying a
> jet"-- which anyone with a 10th grade education can do-- and taking
> off/landing a high performance aircraft from a carrier, being in
> *combat* or *leading* a combat air wing.
No I do understand it. Bush flew a jet and that PROVES it doesn't take a
genius. And by the way I'll put my military experience up against yours
ANYDAY.
| |
|
| Strongbox wrote:
quote:
> On Mon, 4 Jul 2005 07:05:51 -0700, John wrote:
>
>
> You obviously forgot about Jimmy Carter.....
No I did remember him. Jimmy Carter has no experience getting the country
into an unneccesary war that has cost over 1700 lives, 12000 serious
injuries and 135 BILLION a year.
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| Richard Ness 2005-07-05, 10:55 pm |
| Jimmy Carter wasn't President when some lunatic
assholes flew airplanes into buildings.
Apples to bananas.
"John" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:11cm2rdcf2039fa
@news.supernews.com...
quote:
>
>
> No I did remember him. Jimmy Carter has no experience getting the
> country into an unneccesary war that has cost over 1700 lives, 12000
> serious injuries and 135 BILLION a year.
>
| |
| Michelle Steiner 2005-07-06, 6:55 am |
| In article < 11cm2nq7llbmn81@news
.supernews.com>,
"John" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
quote:
> No I do understand it. Bush flew a jet and that PROVES it doesn't
> take a genius. And by the way I'll put my military experience up
> against yours ANYDAY.
So will I.
--
Stop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush.
| |
| Kent McPherson 2005-07-06, 9:55 am |
| Michelle Steiner wrote:
quote:
> In article < 11cm2nq7llbmn81@news
.supernews.com>,
> "John" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> So will I.
>
Whether you support President Bush or not, we are all fortunate we live
in a country where we have the freedom to voice either opinion without
fear. If you'd like to continue this debate, it would be nice if you'd
take it along with the vulgar language to a newsgroup that is more
appropriate for such discussions. Thanks.
| |
|
| As usual, you haven't got a clue. Nothing has changed...you can't quite
figure out how come your precious dumbocrats lost AGAIN!!! I am quite
happy with the direction our country is going. If you don't like it here,
why don't you move to France. I am sure you would fit in there.
quote:
>
> I would have to agree that Carter was less competent than Shrub; the
> problem is that if Bush were incompetent, he wouldn't be XXXXing up the
> nation as much as he is doing.
>
> --
> Stop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush.
| |
| PTravel 2005-07-06, 4:55 pm |
|
"Joseph E. Johnston" <fightinjoe@rebnet> wrote in message
news:EKednUhd_LPr11T
fRVn-qg@comcast.com...
quote:
> "John" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:11cigi1qjqhfs1e
@news.supernews.com...
>
> Real simple actually. Regardless of your opinion of his ability, he's the
> Commander in Chief and we're at war. That demands the support of every
> American--- you and that twit OP are Americans, aren't you?
Sorry, but being a patriotic American most decidedly does NOT mean blindly
supporting fundamentally flawed actions by ANY President. Please review
both the language and purpose of the First Amendment.
I support, honor, and have tremendous respect for, anyone who has placed
their lives on the line in service to this country. I can think of no
better way to show support for them than oppose the reckless and pointless
adventure which has, unnecessarily, placed them in harms way.
quote:
>
>
>
>
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| PTravel 2005-07-06, 4:55 pm |
|
"Richard Ness" <richard.no@gamn.spam.nessnet.com> wrote in message
news:WdmdncMMjcr3jlb
fRVn-vQ@comcast.com...
quote:
> Jimmy Carter wasn't President when some lunatic
> assholes flew airplanes into buildings.
>
> Apples to bananas.
9/11 and Iraq.
Apples to bowling balls.
quote:
>
> "John" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:11cm2rdcf2039fa
@news.supernews.com...
>
>
| |
| Michelle Steiner 2005-07-06, 10:55 pm |
| In article < 11cnodbqvcbjr57@news
.supernews.com>,
"Edgar" <edgar@nowhere.com> wrote:
quote:
> As usual, you haven't got a clue. Nothing has changed...you can't
> quite figure out how come your precious dumbocrats lost AGAIN!!! I
> am quite happy with the direction our country is going.
OK, so you want to live in a totalitarian theocracy. I'm sure that
Saudi Arabia would suit you very well.
quote:
> If you don't like it here, why don't you move to France. I am sure
> you would fit in there.
I'd rather repair this nation, and save it from the miscreants, like
you, who are destroying it.
--
Stop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush.
| |
| Michelle Steiner 2005-07-06, 10:55 pm |
| In article <btadnZTUi99XXFbfRVn-qQ@comcast.com>,
Kent McPherson <bigk@kentmcpherson.com> wrote:
quote:
> Whether you support President Bush or not, we are all fortunate we
> live in a country where we have the freedom to voice either opinion
> without fear.
So far. I want to keep it that way.
quote:
> If you'd like to continue this debate, it would be nice if you'd take
> it along with the vulgar language to a newsgroup that is more
> appropriate for such discussions. Thanks.
Bush and his cronies are XXXXing up the country, and all you care about
is "vulgar language"?
I'm not the one who started this debate; I'm merely responding to those
who support our un-American president.
--
Stop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush.
| |
|
| You are really just too dense to understand that a majority of us like GW
and his policies. Too bad you aren't one of them. Your precious Kerry lost
and nothing will change that. GW is doing just fine. Oh, btw, this country
is not in need of saving. Many others are, but not this one.
quote:
> I'd rather repair this nation, and save it from the miscreants, like
> you, who are destroying it.
>
| |
| Kent McPherson 2005-07-07, 4:55 pm |
| Michelle Steiner wrote:
quote:
>
>
> Bush and his cronies are XXXXing up the country, and all you care about
> is "vulgar language"?
>
> I'm not the one who started this debate; I'm merely responding to those
> who support our un-American president.
>
The last time I checked, we live in a democracy where we the people
elect our government leaders. The candidate we favor may not always
win. You obviously don't support Mr. Bush. You have that right and are
free to express it. However, to include vulgar, offensive language
simply highlights you're inability to articulate yourself with clear
thoughts. What did the use of f****** add to your post? Were you trying
to shock people? I would have had a much easier time with your comments
had you been able to express them without using offensive language.
When you call the President of the United States un-American, you insult
everyone who believes in this country. If you believe Mr. Bush is acting
in an unconstitutional manner, then act on your beliefs by contacting
your state representatives and senators and ask them to investigate it
and take appropriate action. If all you want to do is voice negative
opinions which appear, to me, to be un-American, you have a choice. No
one is forcing you to live in this country. If you really believe there
is somewhere better to live, by all means please feel free to leave.
| |
| Joseph E. Johnston 2005-07-07, 4:55 pm |
| "John" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:11cm2nq7llbmn81
@news.supernews.com...
quote:
> Joseph E. Johnston wrote:
[vbcol=darkred]
>
>
> No I do understand it. Bush flew a jet and that PROVES it doesn't take a
> genius. And by the way I'll put my military experience up against yours
> ANYDAY.
Gotta' tell you John-- the last time a guy offered to compare his with mine,
I was in a locker room back in junior high school--- and by the way, he
lost;-)
Joe
| |
| Joseph E. Johnston 2005-07-07, 4:55 pm |
| "Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
news:michelle-9643F6.20433805072005@news.west.cox.net...
quote:
> In article < 11cm2nq7llbmn81@news
.supernews.com>,
> "John" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>
> So will I.
>
"Michelle," you're really a guy, aren't you--- or maybe a guy wannabe?
Joe
| |
| Michelle Steiner 2005-07-08, 4:55 pm |
| In article <KuidneNw2YWap1DfRVn-rA@comcast.com>,
"Joseph E. Johnston" <fightinjoe@rebnet> wrote:
quote:
> "Michelle," you're really a guy, aren't you--- or maybe a guy wannabe?
Nope.
--
Stop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush.
| |
| Michelle Steiner 2005-07-08, 4:55 pm |
| In article <psWdnZfprccYpFDfRVn-jQ@comcast.com>,
"Joseph E. Johnston" <fightinjoe@rebnet> wrote:
quote:
>
> Gotta' tell you John-- the last time a guy offered to compare his
> with mine, I was in a locker room back in junior high school--- and
> by the way, he lost;-)
I guess that you losers never learned that there are women in the
military, and that many of us made it a career.
--
Stop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush.
| |
| Michelle Steiner 2005-07-08, 4:55 pm |
| In article <psWdnZfprccYpFDfRVn-jQ@comcast.com>,
"Joseph E. Johnston" <fightinjoe@rebnet> wrote:
quote:
>
> Gotta' tell you John-- the last time a guy offered to compare his with mine,
> I was in a locker room back in junior high school--- and by the way, he
> lost;-)
Whoops; sorry Joseph; I completely misread your message after seeing
John's reply to me. My apologies.
--
Stop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush.
| |
| Michelle Steiner 2005-07-08, 4:55 pm |
| In article <18Sdna8TIb_7pVDfRVn-oA@comcast.com>,
Kent McPherson <bigk@kentmcpherson.com> wrote:
quote:
>
> The last time I checked, we live in a democracy where we the people
> elect our government leaders. The candidate we favor may not always
> win. You obviously don't support Mr. Bush. You have that right and
> are free to express it.
Yup; however, the point is that I started this thread with a message
about the V710 and OBEX. Some jerk, who had nothing to contribute to
the topic, flamed me because of my sig.
quote:
> However, to include vulgar, offensive language simply highlights
> you're inability to articulate yourself with clear thoughts.
Nope; it highlights the fact that I am totally and thoroughly disgusted
with George W. Bush. Judicious use of "vulgar" language indicates an
ability to know when such language is appropriate in conveying one's
thoughts. Now, if I had peppered that word extensively throughout my
speech (or used non-vulgar terms such as "y'know" in the same manner),
you would definitely have a point.
quote:
> What did the use of f****** add to your post?
Emphasis. It is a much more potent word than "destroying," for instance.
quote:
> I would have had a much easier time with your comments had you been
> able to express them without using offensive language.
What is way more offensive than my language is what Bush is doing to
this country.
quote:
> When you call the President of the United States un-American, you
> insult everyone who believes in this country.
No I don't because Bush is not the country. Nor is government the
country. He is supposed to be the leader of the country, but the only
place he is leading the country to is ruin.
quote:
> If you believe Mr. Bush is acting in an unconstitutional manner, then
> act on your beliefs by contacting your state representatives and
> senators and ask them to investigate it and take appropriate action.
A congress run by his party? That would be a futile effort indeed. If
I thought he was acting in an unconstitutional manner, but I didn't say
that I thought that. I said, in terms that you object to, that he is
destroying the country.
quote:
> If all you want to do is voice negative opinions which appear, to me,
> to be un-American, you have a choice.
So, it is un-American to criticize the president? Maybe in the former
USSR, Communist China, Cuba, Pinochet's Chile, etc., it might be an
offense to criticize the leaders of the country, but in the United
States, it is not only a right, but it is a duty.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that
we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic
and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." _ _
--Teddy Roosevelt
quote:
> No one is forcing you to live in this country. If you really believe
> there is somewhere better to live, by all means please feel free to
> leave.
I thought that went out with Joe McCarthy. No, not you, nor anyone
else, is going to chase me out of my country. The country is broken,
and I want to help fix it.
"My country, right or wrong: if right, to be kept right; and if wrong,
to be set right."_
Senator Carl Schurz of Missouri, 1899
And on a final note:
If there's nothing that offends you in your community, then you know
you're not living in a free society.
Kim Campbell - former Prime Minister of Canada
--
Stop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush.
| |
| Michelle Steiner 2005-07-08, 4:55 pm |
| In article < 11cqbr41odkf3ef@news
.supernews.com>,
"Edgar" <edgar@nowhere.com> wrote:
quote:
> You are really just too dense to understand that a majority of us
> like GW and his policies.
Oh yeah? This is from the Gallup Poll:
"Gallup's new poll shows President Bush's overall job approval rating is
now at 45%, tied for the lowest of his administration.
"Perhaps as importantly, Bush's disapproval rating is now at 53%. By two
points, that is the highest disapproval rating across the 172 times
Gallup has asked this question since the president first took office in
January 2001.
"Bush's approval on handling Iraq is at 40% -- tied for the lowest of
his administration."
And this:
"According to the June 24-26, 2005, CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll, only 31%
of Americans approve of Bush's handling of Social Security; 64%
disapprove. That amounts to a -33 net approval rating on Social
Security, which is lower than where he stood even a month ago, and is
substantially lower than resultsfrom earlier in the year."
"Bush's declining ratings on Social Security are possibly part of a
larger pattern that is not directly related to his specific performance
on the issue. His dwindling support on Social Security parallels a
decline in his overall job approval rating, and is similar to the trend
seen for his handling of the economy and Iraq."
And here are his approval ratings for the month of June:
Date Approve Disapprove No opinion
29-30 46 51 3
24-26 45 53 2
16-19 47 51 2
6-8 47 49 4
quote:
> Too bad you aren't one of them.
No, it is good that I am one of the majority who dissaproves of him.
quote:
> Your precious Kerry lost and nothing will change that
This has nothing to do with Kerry; it has to do with Bush. Oh, the only
reason I supported Kerry is because he had the best chance of defeating
Bush; he wasn't all that great, but he was heads and shoulders above
Bush.
quote:
> GW is doing just fine.
I disagree.
quote:
> Oh, btw, this country is not in need of saving.
I disagree.
quote:
>Many others are,
I agree.
quote:
>but not this one.
I disagree.
--
Stop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush.
| |
|
| Nice to be back on Topic lol
It was also claimed Telus used a software version that included crippled BT,
but now if Moto is saying thats the way it is staying and no one has ever
got it fully functional, and since Moto is the one that mainly makes the
software to providers specs, I guess it is safe to say yup, the v710 sux.
Michelle--Loved reading your responses, you owned the thread ~_^
"Skuzz" <skuzz@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:C6WdnWdRVc2n2Vr
fRVn-rQ@comcast.com...[vbcol=darkred]
> If I were motorola I'd be lying too. I bet they get tons of calls from
> people whining to them and I'm sure there's no legal reason they couldn't
> get away with that - only people internal to motorola know the truth and
> as long as they don't leak it, Mot can lie all day long and consumers
> wouldn't be the wiser.
>
> But don't get me wrong, I want OBEX and OPP as much as the next guy,
> selling crippled phones is outright lying, and if I remember right, the
> original v710 ad campaign and literature did list capabilities such as
> those...but then the listing of them started disappearing as more people
> complained.
>
> Skuzz
>
> AL wrote:
| |
| Tony Montano 2005-07-10, 4:55 pm |
| You forget the most important thing. All this is your opinion. Oh, you
have company, but at the last election the other side thankfully had a few
million more on their side. It tells us a lot about you that you cannot
simply say I do not agree with x, y, and z that Bush is doing and leave it
at that. He's an idiot and worse is the way you start your discussion. A
little understanding for the slightest (call it 1/10th of one percent)
chance that what's he's doing may be the right thing might just give you the
maturity necessary to say "hey I didnt vote for him, I dont agree with him,
but for the next for years he leads the country." I hope this isnt too hard
to swallow.
"Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
news:michelle-84EDE2.10282208072005@news.west.cox.net...
quote:
> In article <18Sdna8TIb_7pVDfRVn-oA@comcast.com>,
> Kent McPherson <bigk@kentmcpherson.com> wrote:
>
>
> Yup; however, the point is that I started this thread with a message
> about the V710 and OBEX. Some jerk, who had nothing to contribute to
> the topic, flamed me because of my sig.
>
>
> Nope; it highlights the fact that I am totally and thoroughly disgusted
> with George W. Bush. Judicious use of "vulgar" language indicates an
> ability to know when such language is appropriate in conveying one's
> thoughts. Now, if I had peppered that word extensively throughout my
> speech (or used non-vulgar terms such as "y'know" in the same manner),
> you would definitely have a point.
>
>
> Emphasis. It is a much more potent word than "destroying," for instance.
>
>
> What is way more offensive than my language is what Bush is doing to
> this country.
>
>
> No I don't because Bush is not the country. Nor is government the
> country. He is supposed to be the leader of the country, but the only
> place he is leading the country to is ruin.
>
>
> A congress run by his party? That would be a futile effort indeed. If
> I thought he was acting in an unconstitutional manner, but I didn't say
> that I thought that. I said, in terms that you object to, that he is
> destroying the country.
>
>
> So, it is un-American to criticize the president? Maybe in the former
> USSR, Communist China, Cuba, Pinochet's Chile, etc., it might be an
> offense to criticize the leaders of the country, but in the United
> States, it is not only a right, but it is a duty.
>
> "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that
> we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic
> and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
> --Teddy Roosevelt
>
>
> I thought that went out with Joe McCarthy. No, not you, nor anyone
> else, is going to chase me out of my country. The country is broken,
> and I want to help fix it.
>
> "My country, right or wrong: if right, to be kept right; and if wrong,
> to be set right."
> Senator Carl Schurz of Missouri, 1899
>
> And on a final note:
>
> If there's nothing that offends you in your community, then you know
> you're not living in a free society.
> Kim Campbell - former Prime Minister of Canada
>
> --
> Stop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush.
| |
| Tony Montano 2005-07-10, 4:55 pm |
| Hey, that's exactly what I tried to say. Well done!!
"PTravel" < ptravel@travelersvid
eo.com> wrote in message
news:3igs2oFksatiU1@
individual.net...
quote:
>
> "Special Ed" <spled@dropout.edu> wrote in message
> news:l7udnYwXE8mafF_
fRVn-iA@comcast.com...
> your
> to
>
> You know, anything intelligent that you may have to contribute is negated
> by
> your adolescent reply. Grow up, child. At least for the time being,
> people
> are allowed to have differing political views. Disagreeing with yours
> doesn't make one immature. Stamping one's feet and calling people names
> because you disagree with their politics, on the the other hand, does.
>
>
>
>
>
| |
| Tony Montano 2005-07-10, 4:55 pm |
| Hey no Clinton Jokes he's gone and best forgotten
"John" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:11cigi1qjqhfs1e
@news.supernews.com...
quote:
> Special Ed wrote:
>
>
> Why would she want to support the most incompetent President in history?
>
>
| |
| Michelle Steiner 2005-07-10, 10:55 pm |
| In article <9edAe.67$dX5.5@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>,
"Tony Montano" <montanoa@snet.net> wrote:
quote:
> You forget the most important thing. All this is your opinion. Oh,
> you have company, but at the last election the other side thankfully
> had a few million more on their side.
And many of them regret it now.
quote:
> It tells us a lot about you that you cannot simply say I do not agree
> with x, y, and z that Bush is doing and leave it at that.
Gee, and what else did I say?
quote:
> He's an idiot and worse is the way you start your discussion.
Actually, I did not start the discussion. "Special Ed" started it.
quote:
> A little understanding for the slightest (call it 1/10th of one
> percent) chance that what's he's doing may be the right thing might
> just give you the maturity necessary to say "hey I didnt vote for
> him, I dont agree with him, but for the next for years he leads the
> country."
OK, I'll accept being 99.9% right.
But I want him impeached and removed from office; I don't want him to
run the country for the remainder of his term. (I realize that that's
not going to happen with the GOP-dominated congress unless his excesses
are too great even for them.)
And I have the maturity to say what I believe.
quote:
> I hope this isnt too hard to swallow.
Please stop those sexual innuendos. (Or are you merely quoting what
Clinton said to Lewinsky?)
Funny, though, how so many people object to my calling for Bush's
impeachment for his serious malfeasement in office, but were clamoring
for Clinton's impeachment for letting Lewinsky felate him.
Ditto for those who objected to my language but had no problems with
Cheney saying "Go XXXX yourself" to a senator on the floor of the senate.
--
Stop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush.
| |
| Michelle Steiner 2005-07-10, 10:55 pm |
| In article <OZ6dnQ5-TNXL8U3fRVn-sg@rogers.com>,
"CJD" < newsgroupmail@rogers
.com> wrote:
quote:
> Michelle--Loved reading your responses, you owned the thread ~_^
*blush*
So does anyone know whether the E815 has the same bluetooth limitations
as the V710?
--
Stop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush.
| |
| David S 2005-07-14, 4:55 pm |
| On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 16:10:35 -0700, "Richard Ness"
<richard.no@gamn.spam.nessnet.com> chose to add this to the great equation
of life, the universe, and everything:
<top post corrected>
quote:
>"John" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:11cm2rdcf2039fa
@news.supernews.com...
>Jimmy Carter wasn't President when some lunatic
>assholes flew airplanes into buildings.
>
>Apples to bananas.
Jimmy Carter was President when someone took over our embassy somewhere,
and he was smart enough to sit it out rather than kill thousands of
Americans and hundreds of thousands of innocent citizens of another
country. And the reason he wasn't able to resolve the situation was that
his domestic political opponents were negotiating with the bad guys behind
his and the government's back, thus allowing foreign radicals to influence
the outcome of an American election.
Carter also had more personal military experience than does the current
occupant of the White House, and (I believe) a doctorate in nuclear
engineering (he went to Three Mile Island and understood the explanation of
what happened there).
And may I say it's amazing how times change -- just a few short months ago,
the knee-jerk reactions were about 90% against Michelle; now it's about
50-50.
--
David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
"Jerry died broke. We only have a few hundred thousand in the bank."
- Deborah Koons Garcia
| |
| Michelle Steiner 2005-07-14, 4:55 pm |
| In article < cf1dd1tke5f9hjg32l79
fgh6hk5ki5m1ak@4ax.com>,
David S < dwstreeter@spamisnau
ghty.att.net> wrote:
quote:
> Jimmy Carter was President when someone took over our embassy
> somewhere, and he was smart enough to sit it out rather than kill
> thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of innocent citizens
> of another country.
Not quite; there was a rescue attempt that failed, partially because
Carter and his administration tried to micro manage it, and partially
for technological reasons.
--
Stop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush.
| |
| David S 2005-07-14, 4:55 pm |
| On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:27:04 -0700, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> chose to add this to the great equation of life,
the universe, and everything:
quote:
>In article <9edAe.67$dX5.5@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>,
> "Tony Montano" <montanoa@snet.net> wrote:
>
>
>Please stop those sexual innuendos. (Or are you merely quoting what
>Clinton said to Lewinsky?)
[Um, Michelle, you're being overly sensitive with that one. Swallow is not
always a sexual term and I didn't take it as one in this case. Remember,
Freud said a sometimes a cigar is just a cigar (also not intended as a
reference to the Lewinski situation (and BTW, *she* set out to seduce
*him*, before she even left California for the intern job)).]
quote:
>Funny, though, how so many people object to my calling for Bush's
>impeachment for his serious malfeasement in office, but were clamoring
>for Clinton's impeachment for letting Lewinsky felate him.
>
>Ditto for those who objected to my language but had no problems with
>Cheney saying "Go XXXX yourself" to a senator on the floor of the senate.
Let's also recall that during the 2000 campaign, Bush pointed out a
reporter to Cheney and called him an XXXXXXX, and this happened *on the
grounds of a public school* (by coincidence, it's the one where I work and
is within a half mile of my home).
--
David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
"Electronic voting is fast and harmless, unless they get the voltage wrong,
in which case an overhead sprinkler system will automatically extinguish
any flames in your hair." - Dave Barry
| |
| Michelle Steiner 2005-07-14, 4:55 pm |
| In article < f87dd1hti1r8q7o6jafu
smh8dt14bqvnhm@4ax.com>,
David S < dwstreeter@spamisnau
ghty.att.net> wrote:
quote:
>
> [Um, Michelle, you're being overly sensitive with that one. Swallow
> is not always a sexual term and I didn't take it as one in this case.
> Remember, Freud said a sometimes a cigar is just a cigar (also not
> intended as a reference to the Lewinski situation (and BTW, *she* set
> out to seduce *him*, before she even left California for the intern
> job)).]
Actually, I was cracking a joke. Guess that it didn't go over very
well, huh?
--
Stop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush.
| |
| David S 2005-07-15, 10:55 pm |
| On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:57:23 -0700, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> chose to add this to the great equation of life,
the universe, and everything:
quote:
>In article < f87dd1hti1r8q7o6jafu
smh8dt14bqvnhm@4ax.com>,
> David S < dwstreeter@spamisnau
ghty.att.net> wrote:
>
>
>Actually, I was cracking a joke. Guess that it didn't go over very
>well, huh?
Sorry, I just wasn't able to tell that you were joking.
--
David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
"A hospital is no place to be sick." - Sam Goldwyn
| |
| David S 2005-07-15, 10:55 pm |
| On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:16:43 -0700, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> chose to add this to the great equation of life,
the universe, and everything:
quote:
>In article < cf1dd1tke5f9hjg32l79
fgh6hk5ki5m1ak@4ax.com>,
> David S < dwstreeter@spamisnau
ghty.att.net> wrote:
>
>
>Not quite; there was a rescue attempt that failed, partially because
>Carter and his administration tried to micro manage it, and partially
>for technological reasons.
Which killed.... I forget, half a dozen Americans? A dozen? Two dozen?
Whatever, it's a big difference.
--
David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
"If you're very lucky I might read you some of my poetry first."
- Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz
| |
| Michelle Steiner 2005-07-15, 10:55 pm |
| In article < mp2gd1hd5orq1oadbj3v
8tlf4lsemtvim1@4ax.com>,
David S < dwstreeter@spamisnau
ghty.att.net> wrote:
quote:
>
> Which killed.... I forget, half a dozen Americans? A dozen? Two
> dozen? Whatever, it's a big difference.
There would have been a lot more deaths had the mission not failed as it
had, and who knows what repercussions would have happened had they
actually attempted the rescue?
--
Stop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush.
| |
| Thomas M. Goethe 2005-07-18, 6:55 am |
| "Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
news:michelle-1B2F97.14071615072005@news.west.cox.net...
quote:
> In article < mp2gd1hd5orq1oadbj3v
8tlf4lsemtvim1@4ax.com>,
> David S < dwstreeter@spamisnau
ghty.att.net> wrote:
>
>
> There would have been a lot more deaths had the mission not failed as it
> had, and who knows what repercussions would have happened had they
> actually attempted the rescue?
Oh the horror, use of force to rescue US citizens and public servants.
| |
| Michelle Steiner 2005-07-18, 4:55 pm |
| In article <0zDCe.433$6f.108@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Thomas M. Goethe" <spam@spam.com> wrote:
quote:
>
> Oh the horror, use of force to rescue US citizens and public servants.
I didn't say they shouldn't have made the attempt; I was saying that
they should have known what they were doing. Had the made the attempt,
and it failed, what would have happened to the hostages.
If it were going to fail, it was better to have failed at the outset as
it did than during the rescue itself.
--
Stop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush.
| |
| Thomas M. Goethe 2005-07-19, 4:55 pm |
| "Michelle Steiner" <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
news:michelle-447635.10080618072005@news.west.cox.net...
quote:
> In article <0zDCe.433$6f.108@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
> "Thomas M. Goethe" <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>
>
> I didn't say they shouldn't have made the attempt; I was saying that
> they should have known what they were doing. Had the made the attempt,
> and it failed, what would have happened to the hostages.
>
> If it were going to fail, it was better to have failed at the outset as
> it did than during the rescue itself.
>
And the reason why it failed was the failure of the political
leadership, aka President Carter (who is a fine human being just wasn't an
effective president), to support and fund the military while allowing it to
do the job without meddling. In fact, the most important thing was not the
rescue of the hostages, but to demonstrate that you don't get away with
doing that sort of thing to the United States. Loss of life is a terrible
thing, but when people realize they can get away with hurting you, you are
going to lose a lot more. Any body think the Germans and Japanese would have
started WW II if they had known what we were going to do to them?
| |
| Michelle Steiner 2005-07-24, 1:58 pm |
| In article <Lb9De.1369$6f.155@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Thomas M. Goethe" <spam@spam.com> wrote:
> And the reason why it failed was the failure of the political
> leadership, aka President Carter (who is a fine human being just
> wasn't an effective president),
Agreed
> to support and fund the military while allowing it to do the job
> without meddling.
I'll agree about the meddling; he micromanaged everything in his
presidency.
> Any body think the Germans and Japanese would have started WW II if
> they had known what we were going to do to them?
Sure they would have, but maybe Japan might not have forced us into the
war.
--
Stop Mad Cowboy Disease: Impeach the son of a Bush.
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