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> According to my 7/3/05 invoice, "Beginning on September 1, all calls
> sent and received on national holidays - New Year's Day, Memorial Day,
> Independence Day, Labor Day, Thanksgiving Day, and Christmas Day - will
> be billed according to the time of day, and the day of the week, they
> occur..."
>
> I think they did this so that they never have to see this question in
> the newsgroups ever again.
>

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> If that's true, it's yet *another* VZW take-away. What kind of marketing
> dunderheads are making those decisions?

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>
> Expert Witness wrote:
>
>
> The same morons that are at Sprint right now, I think. Sprint's done some of
> this too, over the past month.

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> I guess Verizon is trying to match Sprint's services, in a real Bizarro
> kind of way! <g>

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>Verizon's still ahead in the "ignoring pieces of their network that
>break" category, in this part of SoCal. In other words, they're more
>likely to ignore brokenness than Sprint. :)

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> As viewed from alt.cellular.verizon, Steve Sobol wrote:
>
>
> My experience is exactly the opposite. One of the several reasons
> that I moved to Verizon from Cingular (actually Pac Bell Wireless
> when I had it) was the excellent coverage at my home and in my
> immediate neighborhood here in the San Gabriel Valley.

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> I let it slide until Friday and called VZW and explained the problem,
> telling them that I could drive 3-5 miles in any direction and get a
> solid four-bar signal. The person who answered put me through to a
> technician, and I suggested to him that I try to make a call so that
> he could determine exactly what cell site I was using.

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> I woke up Saturday morning to a solid four-bar signal and it's been
> fine ever since. The following Monday or Tuesday, someone from VZW
> called and said that there had indeed been a problem with the site.

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> <stannc@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1121380803.934100.181380@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> | According to my 7/3/05 invoice, "Beginning on September 1, all calls
> | sent and received on national holidays - New Year's Day, Memorial Day,
> | Independence Day, Labor Day, Thanksgiving Day, and Christmas Day - will
> | be billed according to the time of day, and the day of the week, they
> | occur..."
>
> Were those holidays ever named as having special nights/weekend rates in any
> contract?

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>
> "Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
> news:db75kr$b3m$1@ra
tbert.glorb.com...
> | Joe Kaffe wrote:
> | > <stannc@gmail.com> wrote in message
> | > news:1121380803.934100.181380@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> | > | According to my 7/3/05 invoice, "Beginning on September 1, all calls
> | > | sent and received on national holidays - New Year's Day, Memorial Day,
> | > | Independence Day, Labor Day, Thanksgiving Day, and Christmas Day -
> will
> | > | be billed according to the time of day, and the day of the week, they
> | > | occur..."
> | >
> | > Were those holidays ever named as having special nights/weekend rates in
> any
> | > contract?
> |
> | They've traditionally been billed off-peak, as weekend minutes IIRC, which
> | for many people means "free" because they have free weekends.
>
> I'm not a lawyer, so I won't even pretend to be able to answer the following
> question:
>
> Even if the off peak rates weren't in a written contract, did Verizon's
> actions constitute a contract? If so, it would appear they are materially
> changing the terms and would have to release people from their obligation
> without an ETF.

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> Even if the off peak rates weren't in a written contract, did Verizon's
> actions constitute a contract? If so, it would appear they are materially
> changing the terms and would have to release people from their obligation
> without an ETF.

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>
>"Notan" <notan@ddress.com> wrote in message
>news:42D7256D.DA849D41@ddress.com...
>---snip---snip---snip---
>
>| Doesn't virtually every contract (in this case, Verizon's) have a "We have
>| the right to change this contract" clause?
>
>Yes, at least in this case.
>
>Our Rights To Make Changes
>Your service is subject to our business policies, practices, and procedures,
>which we can change without notice. UNLESS OTHERWISE PROHIBITED BY LAW, WE
>CAN ALSO CHANGE PRICES AND ANY OTHER CONDITIONS IN THIS AGREEMENT AT ANY
>TIME BY SENDING YOU WRITTEN NOTICE PRIOR TO THE BILLING PERIOD IN WHICH THE
>CHANGES WOULD GO INTO EFFECT. IF YOU CHOOSE TO USE YOUR SERVICE AFTER THAT
>POINT, YOU'RE ACCEPTING THE CHANGES. IF THE CHANGES HAVE A MATERIAL ADVERSE
>EFFECT ON YOU, HOWEVER, YOU CAN END THE AFFECTED SERVICE, WITHOUT ANY EARLY
>TERMINATION FEE, JUST BY CALLING US WITHIN 60 DAYS AFTER WE SEND NOTICE OF
>THE CHANGE.
>
>http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/...erAgreement.jsp
>
>The agreement (at least this one) makes no written mention of rates on
>holidays.
>

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>According to my 7/3/05 invoice, "Beginning on September 1, all calls
>sent and received on national holidays - New Year's Day, Memorial Day,
>Independence Day, Labor Day, Thanksgiving Day, and Christmas Day - will
>be billed according to the time of day, and the day of the week, they
>occur..."
>I think they did this so that they never have to see this question in
>the newsgroups ever again.

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> According to my 7/3/05 invoice, "Beginning on September 1, all calls
> sent and received on national holidays - New Year's Day, Memorial Day,
> Independence Day, Labor Day, Thanksgiving Day, and Christmas Day - will
> be billed according to the time of day, and the day of the week, they
> occur..."
>
> I think they did this so that they never have to see this question in
> the newsgroups ever again.
>

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>Joe Kaffe wrote:
>
>
>I'm not a lawyer either. But I suspect the answer lies somewhere
>in the federal Universal Commercial Code, especially the part
>about implied warranties (that *is* part of the UCC, right?)

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> Expert Witness wrote:
>
>
> The same morons that are at Sprint right now, I think. Sprint's done some
> of this too, over the past month.

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> But, since they provided written notice of the change, one must
> presume VZW considers it a possible "material adverse effect", and
> those who object should be able to cancel within the 60 days without
> ETF. But in reality, I don't think it'll be *that* big of a deal to
> most people. The only people who would cancel over this are likely
> going to be people who wanted out of their contract for other
> reasons.

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> According to my 7/3/05 invoice, "Beginning on September 1, all calls
> sent and received on national holidays - New Year's Day, Memorial Day,
> Independence Day, Labor Day, Thanksgiving Day, and Christmas Day -
> will be billed according to the time of day, and the day of the week,
> they occur..."
>

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>In article < otfed1hjn0meq4jaai59
12sg69vescqjo1@4ax.com>,
> The Ghost of General Lee <ghost@general.lee> wrote:
>
>
>I'd like to get out of my contract to switch to a carrier who allows me
>to transfer my phone book to my car. However, the three people I speak
>with the most on my cell phone all have Verizon Wireless, so we all use
>In Calling. My minutes per month typically run about 200 prime time,
>100-150 nights and weekends, and 1,000 or more in calling.

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>stannc@gmail.com wrote:
>Now watch them turn around in December and offer free holidays as a
>promotion!
>