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Verizon involved in the selling of cell phone info?
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| imlswan@aol.com 2006-01-14, 11:48 pm |
| With all the news of cell phones companies giving out personal cell
phone info to other companies (such as locatecell.com for $110), I was
wondering if Verizon had made any public statement on whether they do
this. I didn't see anything that addressed this specific problem on
their website. I understand from several blogs that Cingular has denied
giving out cell phone info but customers later found out that Cingular
had indeed given out their cell phone info. Anyone know Verizon's
stance?
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| Andy S 2006-01-14, 11:48 pm |
| ><imlswan@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:1137281555.680748.83190@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> With all the news of cell phones companies giving out personal cell
> phone info to other companies (such as locatecell.com for $110), I was
> wondering if Verizon had made any public statement on whether they do
> this. I didn't see anything that addressed this specific problem on
> their website. I understand from several blogs that Cingular has denied
> giving out cell phone info but customers later found out that Cingular
> had indeed given out their cell phone info. Anyone know Verizon's
> stance?
>
VZW's stance on this issue is NO.
VZW DOES NOT give out personal information.
--
Andrew D. Sisson
LG VX8100
VZW<BAM<FRONTIER CELLULAR<ROCHESTER TEL. MOBILE
SID 154 EV-DO PRL 50463
SINCE APRIL 1993
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| Quick 2006-01-14, 11:48 pm |
| imlswan@aol.com wrote:
> With all the news of cell phones companies giving out
> personal cell phone info to other companies (such as
> locatecell.com for $110), I was wondering if Verizon had
> made any public statement on whether they do this. I
> didn't see anything that addressed this specific problem
> on their website. I understand from several blogs that
> Cingular has denied giving out cell phone info but
> customers later found out that Cingular had indeed given
> out their cell phone info. Anyone know Verizon's stance?
Why do you keep posting this? It was answered last time.
A few weeks ago?
-Quick
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| Agent_C 2006-01-14, 11:48 pm |
| On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 00:03:24 GMT, "Andy S"
< adsisson@NOSPAMroche
ster.rr.com> wrote:
>VZW's stance on this issue is NO.
>VZW DOES NOT give out personal information.
Doesn't matter what Verizon management says... All it takes is one
greedy DBA in their IT department, to provide an outfit like
locatecell.com with all the information they want.
The only way to stop this is to make it illegal to trade in it.
A_C
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| In article <gjgyf.105058$XC4.65244@twister.nyroc.rr.com>,
Andy S < adsisson@NOSPAMroche
ster.rr.com> wrote:
>VZW's stance on this issue is NO.
>VZW DOES NOT give out personal information.
And you believe them?
--
http://yosemitephotos.net/
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| Andy S 2006-01-15, 5:48 pm |
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"Agent_C" <Agent-C-hates-spam@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 00:03:24 GMT, "Andy S"
> < adsisson@NOSPAMroche
ster.rr.com> wrote:
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> Doesn't matter what Verizon management says... All it takes is one
> greedy DBA in their IT department, to provide an outfit like
> locatecell.com with all the information they want.
>
> The only way to stop this is to make it illegal to trade in it.
>
> A_C
>
Read the following.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/...yPrinciples.jsp
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/...privacyMain.jsp
--
Andrew D. Sisson
LG VX8100
VZW<BAM<FRONTIER CELLULAR<ROCHESTER TEL. MOBILE
SID 154 EV-DO PRL 50463
SINCE APRIL 1993
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| Andy S 2006-01-15, 5:48 pm |
| ><ellis@no.spam> wrote in message
>news:1137303172.396483@localhost.localdomain...
> In article <gjgyf.105058$XC4.65244@twister.nyroc.rr.com>,
> Andy S < adsisson@NOSPAMroche
ster.rr.com> wrote:
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> And you believe them?
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> --
> http://yosemitephotos.net/
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Ellis,
I replied to you and Agent_C separately giving the same links.
Read the following
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/...yPrinciples.jsp
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/...privacyMain.jsp
Now to the both of you. From all the reports I've read recently, VZW has
said that they do not
give this information out. As to my belief that they don't. NO I "Trust No
One" to quote Agent Mulder
--
Andrew D. Sisson
LG VX8100
VZW<BAM<FRONTIER CELLULAR<ROCHESTER TEL. MOBILE
SID 154 EV-DO PRL 50463
SINCE APRIL 1993
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| If the OP keeps posting the original subject line often enough, many
will believe it as fact. Isn't that what all the news media does?
Lena
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| Frankster 2006-01-15, 5:48 pm |
| I've read all the response to your question. Including the ones pointing to
VZW links proclaiming that they will not release these records without
authorization.
I submit that you can still get VZW customer's records if you have $89 to
spend. The only way we will ever know for sure is for someone here to spend
$89 to find out.
Anyone game?
-Frank
<imlswan@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1137281555.680748.83190@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> With all the news of cell phones companies giving out personal cell
> phone info to other companies (such as locatecell.com for $110), I was
> wondering if Verizon had made any public statement on whether they do
> this. I didn't see anything that addressed this specific problem on
> their website. I understand from several blogs that Cingular has denied
> giving out cell phone info but customers later found out that Cingular
> had indeed given out their cell phone info. Anyone know Verizon's
> stance?
>
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| Quick 2006-01-15, 11:48 pm |
| ellis@no.spam wrote:
> In article <gjgyf.105058$XC4.65244@twister.nyroc.rr.com>,
> Andy S < adsisson@NOSPAMroche
ster.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> And you believe them?
VZW was the *only* major wireless carrier who refused
to participate in the cellular 411 directory (telemarketer
bonanza). Gives credence to their claims.
-Quick
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| Quick 2006-01-15, 11:48 pm |
| Frankster wrote:
> I've read all the response to your question. Including
> the ones pointing to VZW links proclaiming that they will
> not release these records without authorization.
>
> I submit that you can still get VZW customer's records if
> you have $89 to spend. The only way we will ever know for
> sure is for someone here to spend $89 to find out.
>
> Anyone game?
No Frank. You made the claim (wild speculation?).
You spend the $89 for the internet detective scam.
Actually you could be partially correct. Send me $89
and I'll send you my cell number. But you said
"VZW customer's records" and that implies more
than one. Maybe a few tens of thousands?
-Quick
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| Frankster 2006-01-15, 11:48 pm |
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"Quick" <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Frankster wrote:
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> No Frank. You made the claim (wild speculation?).
> You spend the $89 for the internet detective scam.
>
> Actually you could be partially correct. Send me $89
> and I'll send you my cell number. But you said
> "VZW customer's records" and that implies more
> than one. Maybe a few tens of thousands?
>
> -Quick
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Sorry, it's hard for me to believe that when you sign up with one of these
personally information agencies to pay for phone records, that you would get
a response that says "oh... VZW? Naw we won't give you those". No way.
Remember, probably half of these are obtained illegally anyway, even though
some are obtained legally. Bottom line... they can be obtained.
I can guarantee you (yeah, even without research) that if you go to the
providers of the records that *can* be obtained (whichever they are) and
look at the provider's literature, that you will find that all providers vow
to protect your personal information. But that personal information is
obtained nonetheless. That's the real world. I'm not saying VZW (or any
other provider) literally *cooperates*, only that they don't seem to be able
to prevent it.
BTW, this goes for all phone records, not just cell phones.
-Frank
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| In article <ywtyf.99812$ME5.16375@twister.nyroc.rr.com>,
Andy S < adsisson@NOSPAMroche
ster.rr.com> wrote:
>Ellis,
>I replied to you and Agent_C separately giving the same links.
Are you familiar with the concept of a rhetorical question?
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| Quick 2006-01-15, 11:48 pm |
| Frankster wrote:
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> Sorry, it's hard for me to believe that when you sign up
> with one of these personally information agencies to pay
> for phone records, that you would get a response that
> says "oh... VZW? Naw we won't give you those". No way.
Really? And what do you have to base that belief on?
If they charge you money they must provide the goods?
Ms. Cleo used to charge for insider information too...
Have you even read the terms of their service? Do
they guarantee they can retrieve any requested cell
number? Note that with any legitimate services of this
kind you are paying for their research time and experience.
Not because they have access to information that you
don't have access to.
Very much like those firms that will "fix your credit score".
> Remember, probably half of these are obtained illegally
> anyway, even though some are obtained legally. Bottom
> line... they can be obtained.
"probably half"... again, any references you can site
other than "everybody knows that". Anyone even tell
you this that might be in a position to know? Please
exclude any conversations over dice at the bar.
> I can guarantee you (yeah, even without research)
Even without any personal experience or cites... You've
been watching too much TV.
> that if you go to the providers of the records that *can* be
> obtained (whichever they are)
"whichever they are"?... If this is such common knowledge
why don't you name just one?
> and look at the provider's literature, that you will find
> that all providers vow to protect your personal information.
Really? How would you know that? Do you think they all
use the exact same "literature"? Is this the universal privacy
policy from Information 'R' Us that is used exclusively
throughout the galaxy?
> But that personal information is obtained nonetheless.
Yea, sure. By just anyone who walks through the door
(if they only knew where the "door" is).
>That's the real world. I'm not saying VZW (or any other
> provider) literally *cooperates*, only that they don't seem to be
> able to prevent it.
True. Banks get robbed every day. There are spys. There are
break ins and thefts. That's not what we're talking about though
are we? What was being discussed is if VZW willing supplies or
sells this information. The concern here is telemarketers and
other marketing use of this information outside of VZW. These
people/companies buy lists on the order of tens of thousands
and millions. And they are not willing to pay more than a fraction
of a cent per name/number. Does VZW provide or participate
in this sort of thing? Like the cellular 411 directory that all the
other major carriers submitted, or were going to submit, their
customer base to.
-Quick
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| Frankster 2006-01-15, 11:48 pm |
| >>That's the real world. I'm not saying VZW (or any other
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> True. Banks get robbed every day. There are spys. There are
> break ins and thefts. That's not what we're talking about though
> are we?
Yes, we are talking about that. We are talking about corporations that fail
to take adequate protective measures to protect our data (and/or dollars).
They are not purposely giving it away, they are just incompetent with their
network security measures.
You know as well as I do that no business is going to go on record saying
that they purposely sell your personal data. They all say they protect it
(including VZW). Yet, all the time, the info is obtained.
-Frank
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| Frankster wrote:
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> Yes, we are talking about that.
uhhh, no. You're talking about that. You're the only one
in the thread talking about that. Please re-read the original
post.
> We are talking about corporations that fail to take adequate
> protective measures to protect our data (and/or dollars). They
> are not purposely giving it away, they are just incompetent
> with their network security measures.
uhhh, again, no. Again you're making blanket statements
with absolutely no reference. You continue to say "they"
and "corporations". Care to be more specific? Are you saying
that VZW does not take adequate protective measures to
protect our data (and/or dollars)?
-- even though that would be off topic for this thread --
Or are you just saying that VZW is a corporation and "we ALL
know that corporations ...".
> You know as well as I do that no business is going to go
> on record saying that they purposely sell your personal
> data.
What they go on record as saying is that they *don't* sell
your personal data.
> They all say they protect it (including VZW). Yet,
> all the time, the info is obtained.
Tin foil and black helicopters... "all the time".... That
would mean that you can point to some massive, uncontrolled
distribution of VZW customer personal data. Please point
to that. It shouldn't be difficult because "it happens all the time".
The OP asked if VZW distributes customer information.
I thought you were just confused or parroting hearsay
but it now appears you have an agenda.
-Quick
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| Frankster 2006-01-16, 2:48 am |
| > The OP asked if VZW distributes customer information.
> I thought you were just confused or parroting hearsay
> but it now appears you have an agenda.
>
> -Quick
No, I don't have an agenda. But I am not dissecting and examining every word
of this thread for proven accuracy either. I am trying to read the "meat"
behind the words, not play games with the phraseology. To me, this thread is
about gaining access to peoples phone records when not specifically
authorized by the person themselves. Period. Happens all the time. If you
deny that you are living in a dream world. I'm not calling VZW names,
specifically. They are in the same boat with the rest of the providers.
Including land line carriers.
-Frank
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| Frankster wrote:
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> No, I don't have an agenda. But I am not dissecting and
> examining every word of this thread for proven accuracy
> either. I am trying to read the "meat" behind the words,
Me too. I haven't found any meat in your words.
I'm not dissecting either. Your entire posts are made up
of "everybody knows" and "they all do it". No dissection
necessary. There is nothing else there.
> not play games with the phraseology. To me, this thread
> is about gaining access to peoples phone records when not
> specifically authorized by the person themselves.
> Period.
Amazing.... I (to use your own words) submit that you are
the only person who thinks that is what this thread is about.
Let me cut and paste from the original post.
"With all the news of cell phones companies giving out
personal cell phone info to other companies (such as
locatecell.com for $110), I was wondering if Verizon had
made any public statement on whether they do".
How did you interpret "I was wondering if Verizon had
made any public statement on whether they do"? I kind
of read that as a pretty specific question. The kind of question
answered with a "yes" or "no" and maybe a pointer to the
statement.
> Happens all the time. If you deny that you are
> living in a dream world. I'm not calling VZW names,
> specifically. They are in the same boat with the rest of
> the providers. Including land line carriers.
You're a real trooper Frank. "Happens all the time" and
for proof you back it up with "If you deny that you are
living in a dream world." Is there some number of times
you have to repeat "happens all the time" before it proves
itself? Back in the 60's we used people like you as filler
for the protest rallies.
-Quick
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| Frankster 2006-01-16, 2:48 am |
| > Me too. I haven't found any meat in your words.
Okay. So we feel the same about each other. No problem.
-Frank
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| George 2006-01-16, 5:48 pm |
| Frankster wrote:
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> Sorry, it's hard for me to believe that when you sign up with one of these
> personally information agencies to pay for phone records, that you would get
> a response that says "oh... VZW? Naw we won't give you those". No way.
> Remember, probably half of these are obtained illegally anyway, even though
> some are obtained legally. Bottom line... they can be obtained.
>
But their proactive stance might be working. My buddy and I were
discussing this last week and he pulled his credit card out to test if
they could get a VZW users information and they couldn't.
> I can guarantee you (yeah, even without research) that if you go to the
> providers of the records that *can* be obtained (whichever they are) and
> look at the provider's literature, that you will find that all providers vow
> to protect your personal information. But that personal information is
> obtained nonetheless. That's the real world. I'm not saying VZW (or any
> other provider) literally *cooperates*, only that they don't seem to be able
> to prevent it.
>
> BTW, this goes for all phone records, not just cell phones.
>
> -Frank
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| Frankster 2006-01-16, 5:48 pm |
| > But their proactive stance might be working. My buddy and I were
> discussing this last week and he pulled his credit card out to test if
> they could get a VZW users information and they couldn't.
There ya go. That's what I wondered about (but not enough to spend $ to find
out - LOL). So, just to be clear, your buddy actually attempted to get VZW
records on-line, using his cc, and failed? Is that right?
-Frank
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| imlswan@aol.com 2006-01-16, 5:48 pm |
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George wrote:
> Frankster wrote:
>
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> But their proactive stance might be working. My buddy and I were
> discussing this last week and he pulled his credit card out to test if
> they could get a VZW users information and they couldn't.
Thanks for the replies. I'm glad to see that VZW would not give out
info in your test, George. Heard some reporter on TV this weekend said
he and other reporters in his dept. were able to get cell phone bills
by just pretending to be the owner of the phone who supposedly lost his
bill and wanted another copy. He said they weren't asked for any
password, etc. He did not say which cell companies they contacted
though.
Does Verizon have the option to set up extra security - such as an
additional password or security question - before they would agree to
give out any additional info, copies of bill, etc.? I couldn't find any
thing specific speaking to this on the Verizon website.
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| imlswan@aol.com 2006-01-16, 5:48 pm |
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George wrote:
> Frankster wrote:
>
>
> But their proactive stance might be working. My buddy and I were
> discussing this last week and he pulled his credit card out to test if
> they could get a VZW users information and they couldn't.
Thanks for the replies. I'm glad to see that VZW would not give out
info in your test, George. Heard some reporter on TV this weekend said
he and other reporters in his dept. were able to get cell phone bills
by just pretending to be the owner of the phone who supposedly lost his
bill and wanted another copy. He said they weren't asked for any
password, etc. He did not say which cell companies they contacted
though.
Does Verizon have the option to set up extra security - such as an
additional password or security question - before they would agree to
give out any additional info, copies of bill, etc.? I couldn't find any
thing specific speaking to this on the Verizon website.
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| Isaiah Beard 2006-01-18, 2:48 am |
| Lena wrote:
> If the OP keeps posting the original subject line often enough, many
> will believe it as fact. Isn't that what all the news media does?
>
> Lena
>
Has anyone also been noticing that he's been plugging that same
locate[xxxx].com site (won't post the full URL because I'm not going to
plug it for him] over and over again in every message he posts?
Hasn't anyone figured out the likelyhood that he's shilling for that
particular site he keeps mentioning, and the whole thread is just a
clever way of spamming without people realizing it?
--
E-mail fudged to thwart spammers.
Transpose the c's and a's in my e-mail address to reply.
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