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Verizon is Standardizing a single user interface on all of their phones and it is terrible!!
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| I was thinking about switching to Verizon, but they apparently are imposing
their own phone user interface on all of the cell phones that they sell. It
is really ugly with no 3d icons and the icons it has are just horrible and
it is mostly red. I think the cell phone makers were doing a great job of
creating their own menus. Now you will just be buying their phones for
their outer appearance and for a couple of features such as data and the
camera resolution and not for how good the menu is. The Motorola Razor has
the new interface and it has slowed down the initial response time to about
2 seconds from the time you press the menu button until the menu pops up..
With the technology we have today, any lag in button response should be
gone. The Verizon salesperson said that they standardized the user
interface so it was easier to go from one phone to another. Ya easier for
Verizon personel but it isn't very difficult for the users to use the
different menu interfaces from different cell phone manufactures especially
since you have 1 to 2 years due to your contract to figure it out.
Verizon has just shot itself in the foot by making this decision to
standardize their menu and with such a horrible interface especially a red
one.
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| Are there any websites that show this new interface up close?
Stephen R.
"JK" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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>I was thinking about switching to Verizon, but they apparently are imposing
>their own phone user interface on all of the cell phones that they sell.
>It is really ugly with no 3d icons and the icons it has are just horrible
>and it is mostly red. I think the cell phone makers were doing a great job
>of creating their own menus. Now you will just be buying their phones for
>their outer appearance and for a couple of features such as data and the
>camera resolution and not for how good the menu is. The Motorola Razor has
>the new interface and it has slowed down the initial response time to about
>2 seconds from the time you press the menu button until the menu pops up..
>With the technology we have today, any lag in button response should be
>gone. The Verizon salesperson said that they standardized the user
>interface so it was easier to go from one phone to another. Ya easier for
>Verizon personel but it isn't very difficult for the users to use the
>different menu interfaces from different cell phone manufactures especially
>since you have 1 to 2 years due to your contract to figure it out.
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> Verizon has just shot itself in the foot by making this decision to
> standardize their menu and with such a horrible interface especially a red
> one.
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| Oh Please, the interface is fine!
As many different phones that I go through, it's nice to have some
familiarity amongst them.
Lets constructively XXXXX about something like how we get screwed by
Verizon from 5:59 am to 6:59 am on the nights and weekends! Verizon
better wake up and see how Cingular is taking over with promo's and
rollover minutes......It's already happening, look at Radio Shack,
Verizon there was just dropped.......Hmmmm!
The public is blinded by promos. Regardless of how good the network is
as Verizon rightly states, the average Joe just wants a 2 cent crap
Nokia antennaless phone and a $19.99 plan.
That's the bottom line!
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| Justin 2006-01-22, 11:48 pm |
| john wrote on [22 Jan 2006 16:15:30 - 0800]:
> Oh Please, the interface is fine!
> As many different phones that I go through, it's nice to have some
> familiarity amongst them.
> Lets constructively XXXXX about something like how we get screwed by
> Verizon from 5:59 am to 6:59 am on the nights and weekends! Verizon
> better wake up and see how Cingular is taking over with promo's and
> rollover minutes......It's already happening, look at Radio Shack,
> Verizon there was just dropped.......Hmmmm!
Because Verizon didn't want to play the churn game.
> The public is blinded by promos. Regardless of how good the network is
> as Verizon rightly states, the average Joe just wants a 2 cent crap
> Nokia antennaless phone and a $19.99 plan.
> That's the bottom line!
Then when that 2cent phone doesn't work because the network sucks they
learn.
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| Sorry, I never subscribe to mediocrity. If I am going to pay more than $200
for a phone I don't want a lemming interface so "the interface is fine"
doesn't cut it. The interface needs to be "fantastic". The people that can
only afford the cheapest plan and phone either have a tight budget, only use
their phone in case of an emergency, or have little opinions about the
things they purchase.
Both the Verizon and Sprint Networks share the same vendor infrastructure
(i.e. base stations, base station controllers, etc.). The better network is
the one that has more coverage for the areas you would be in.
Verizon Network - Motorola, Lucent, Nortel
Sprint Network - Motorola, Lucent, Nortel
BTW: Cingular has an advantage with GSM because the audio is not synthesized
(it is digitized) like CDMA is with Sprint and Verizon. Listen to music on
the other end of a Sprint/Verizon phone and you will see that it cuts out
often and doesn't sound quite right. That is because it only synthesizes
the human voice and actually only certain languages. Also there is more
phone delay in the Verizon and Sprint networks due to the heavy processing
needed for CDMA. That is why it is common to talk over one another on a
Sprint/Verizon network.
"john" <radionet@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> Oh Please, the interface is fine!
> As many different phones that I go through, it's nice to have some
> familiarity amongst them.
> Lets constructively XXXXX about something like how we get screwed by
> Verizon from 5:59 am to 6:59 am on the nights and weekends! Verizon
> better wake up and see how Cingular is taking over with promo's and
> rollover minutes......It's already happening, look at Radio Shack,
> Verizon there was just dropped.......Hmmmm!
> The public is blinded by promos. Regardless of how good the network is
> as Verizon rightly states, the average Joe just wants a 2 cent crap
> Nokia antennaless phone and a $19.99 plan.
> That's the bottom line!
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| I found a website with a quick google search:
http://mobilekorea.tv/images/storie...ge_VX9800_5.jpg
Not the greatest picture but at least you can get the idea.
"S R" <no email @ no spam.com> wrote in message
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> Are there any websites that show this new interface up close?
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> Stephen R.
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> "JK" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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| JK wrote:
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> BTW: Cingular has an advantage with GSM because the audio
> is not synthesized (it is digitized) like CDMA is with
> Sprint and Verizon. Listen to music on the other end of
> a Sprint/Verizon phone and you will see that it cuts out
> often and doesn't sound quite right. That is because it
> only synthesizes the human voice and actually only
> certain languages.
What?! What have you been smoking? "Synthesizes the
human voice"? "and actually only certain languages"?!?!
What happens if I start talking in one of those other
languages?
> Also there is more phone delay in the
> Verizon and Sprint networks due to the heavy processing
> needed for CDMA. That is why it is common to talk over
> one another on a Sprint/Verizon network.
Oh yea... they have to recognize what you are actually
saying and then synthesize it.... yea, that's the ticket!
-Quick
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| J Collins 2006-01-23, 2:48 am |
| With the new Verizon UI in effect, would I still be able to customize, say,
a motorola E815, as far as "loud detail"/ring setting goes? If a phone is
simply used as a phone, will any of those functions be different from "now"?
Thanks.
"Quick" <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> JK wrote:
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> What?! What have you been smoking? "Synthesizes the
> human voice"? "and actually only certain languages"?!?!
> What happens if I start talking in one of those other
> languages?
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> Oh yea... they have to recognize what you are actually
> saying and then synthesize it.... yea, that's the ticket!
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> -Quick
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| Bob the Printer 2006-01-23, 5:48 pm |
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"Quick" <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> What?! What have you been smoking? "Synthesizes the
> human voice"? "and actually only certain languages"?!?!
> What happens if I start talking in one of those other
> languages?
> Oh yea... they have to recognize what you are actually
> saying and then synthesize it.... yea, that's the ticket!
Kinda ridiculous isn't it?? And it manages to synthesize all manner of
voices while it's at it!
I wonder WHERE that guy got his information from??
I know, he SYNTHESIZED IT! :-)
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| Bob the Printer wrote:
> "Quick" <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Kinda ridiculous isn't it?? And it manages to synthesize
> all manner of voices while it's at it!
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> I wonder WHERE that guy got his information from??
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> I know, he SYNTHESIZED IT! :-)
ummm, I thought about that and ruled it out since I've
rarely seen trolls that good. If it was a very excellent troll
he would have avoided any hard technology like stating
"CDMA vs. GSM". I always figure there has to be some
outside factor that triggers these sort of posts. Then it
came to me that he was probably projecting from the
motorola e815 phone technology/function to radio network
technology and wireless carrier. I have seen a snippet or
two that leave me with the vague impression that the e815
will do text to speach from the address book entries. That
was the only way I could explain the "synthesized voice"
concept... Still fascinating how some people can have
all these vague references to things floating around in their
brain and then somehow hook them together to produce a
post like that.
-Quick
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| Thanks for the link.
Is it possible that only the "Verizon" branded phones will get this standard
interface? At least if that is the case, there will still be a choice even
if you choose verizon.
Stephen R.
"JK" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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>I found a website with a quick google search:
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> http://mobilekorea.tv/images/storie...ge_VX9800_5.jpg
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> Not the greatest picture but at least you can get the idea.
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> "S R" <no email @ no spam.com> wrote in message
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| Robert 2006-01-24, 11:48 pm |
| On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:09:34 -0600, "JK" <someone@somewhere.com>
wrote:
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>Verizon has just shot itself in the foot by making this decision to
>standardize their menu and with such a horrible interface especially a red
>one.
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If you don't use PIX messaging or VCAST, you can flash it to the
Alltel flash - full standard Moto GUI, fully customizable skins, etc.
Mine's beautiful. :)
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| Justin 2006-01-25, 2:48 am |
| Robert wrote on [Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:30:16 - 0600]:
> On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:09:34 -0600, "JK" <someone@somewhere.com>
> wrote:
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> If you don't use PIX messaging or VCAST, you can flash it to the
> Alltel flash - full standard Moto GUI, fully customizable skins, etc.
Who does use VCAST? I can't see a real use for it.
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| David S 2006-01-25, 2:48 am |
| On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:33:12 GMT, "Quick" <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com>
chose to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and
everything:
> I have seen a snippet or
>two that leave me with the vague impression that the e815
>will do text to speach from the address book entries.
The E815 uses a combination of canned and synthesized voices. You press the
voice command button and a canned voice says "say a command." You say "call
Joe Blow" and if it absolutely understood you it just says "<synth>Joe Blow
<canned>connecting." If it's not sure, it says "<canned>did you say 'call
<synth>Joe Blow?'" and you say yes or no. If you have more than one entry
for Joe, the canned voice says "which number?" and you tell it; you can
avoid this by specifying which number when you say the name.
Tonight, my voice button got pressed accidentally and it just kept asking
me to say a command instead of giving up like it's supposed to. I said
"cancel" but it didn't understand me and I had to open it and press end to
make it shut up.
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| The Ghost of General Lee 2006-01-25, 2:48 am |
| On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 03:53:00 GMT, Justin <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote:
>Robert wrote on [Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:30:16 -0600]:
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>Who does use VCAST? I can't see a real use for it.
Usually people who use the word "cool" five or six times when talking
about their cell phone.
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| Robert 2006-01-25, 11:48 pm |
| On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 03:53:00 GMT, Justin <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote:
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>Who does use VCAST? I can't see a real use for it.
Personally, I don't either - I think it's gimmicky. There are some
issues with the AAA authentication on Verizon's network but I have a
feeling that they will be worked out soon - then PIX messaging (to
your own server, not at 25 cents a pop) will be available, along with
GIN (if you want it) and possibly VCast too.
The Razr was headed back for a return before I got the Alltel flash -
now it's damn near perfect for me.
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| Robert 2006-01-25, 11:48 pm |
| On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 01:22:36 -0500, The Ghost of General Lee
<ghost@general.lee> wrote:
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>Usually people who use the word "cool" five or six times when talking
>about their cell phone.
Now that's uncool! :P
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| Robert <usenet@cmoschip.cotse.net> wrote in
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> The Razr was headed back for a return before I got the Alltel flash -
> now it's damn near perfect for me.
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Did someone say "Alltel"?.......(c;
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| Mart <nomailhere@verizon.net> wrote in news:AKVBf.39657$Me5.11597@trnddc05:
> As opposed to people using another brand of phone who walk around saying
> "That's hot"
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No, That's AWESOME!....(c;
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| No I am not a troll! I have almost 10 years of experience in what I am
posting. CELP, QCELP, RCELP, AND EVRC(Based off of RCELP) all use linear
predictive encoding which uses a linear predictive filter. The linear
predictive filter contains an excitation table of voice samples for culture,
language, and sex that is used to lookup and encode each 20ms sample of
speech. Nyquist is cheated by doing this. Only the synthesized setup
parameters from this filter are sent and not any digitization of the voice.
And yes the very first working version of a CELP vocoder was for a Male,
English speaking person. When a Japanese speaking person first tried it,
the speech was almost not recognizable. The encoding itself requires more
than 20 MIPS by the phone. Now virtually all languages are covered. I have
tried to find some links on google, but none have the detail needed to
describe it all, but for what is available you can see that the standards
for these vocoders always describe speech and not "SOUND".
"Quick" <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Bob the Printer wrote:
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> ummm, I thought about that and ruled it out since I've
> rarely seen trolls that good. If it was a very excellent troll
> he would have avoided any hard technology like stating
> "CDMA vs. GSM". I always figure there has to be some
> outside factor that triggers these sort of posts. Then it
> came to me that he was probably projecting from the
> motorola e815 phone technology/function to radio network
> technology and wireless carrier. I have seen a snippet or
> two that leave me with the vague impression that the e815
> will do text to speach from the address book entries. That
> was the only way I could explain the "synthesized voice"
> concept... Still fascinating how some people can have
> all these vague references to things floating around in their
> brain and then somehow hook them together to produce a
> post like that.
>
> -Quick
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| I wish I could agree with you, but the network does not suck. I travel
a lot and so does my son, he is in the service and drives to Ft.
Lauderdale from S. Dakota with not too many problems. Sprint is pushed
heavily at the BXes and his friends who have it are always having
problems when they travel.
If Verizon sucks, which carrier do you prefer? Please don't say
Cingular or worse yet T-Mobile I'll be very dissappointed.
Any cellphone without an external antenna is not as efficient as one
with, so of course IT will suck but it's not the network it's the
phone. I sure would have liked to try the LG V phone, but no antenna,
no analog = no sale!
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| It happened to my sister in law, she moved down here from Atlanta and
renewed her Bellsouth plan to Cingular (after asking me which carrier
was good for the area) and got the crap Nokia antennaless phone with
cheap plan, lured in by rollover minutes.
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| Yeah, why would anyone go to a middleman to buy a cellphone with plan?
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| > Did someone say "Alltel"?.......(c;
Whats Alltel?? Guess it's not where I live huh?
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| Yeah, why would anyone go to a middleman to buy a cellphone with plan?
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| john wrote:
> efficient as one with, so of course IT will suck but it's
> not the network it's the phone. I sure would have liked
> to try the LG V phone, but no antenna, no analog = no
> sale!
I'm not sure what you're saying here.
By "external antenna" do you mean extendable ones? or
a jack on the phone for an external antenna?
By "any cellphone" do you mean any cell phone on VZW
service or any cell phone on any carrier?
If you are talking about extendable antennas and about
all phones and not just phones on VZW service then
that's not necessarily true. Given the common form factor
of current phones it depends on the band they are using.
VZW is mostly 800 so a 1/4 wave antenna will be longer
than most of the phone housings and should be extendable
to 1/4 wave (my Kyocera 7135 actually has an extendable
antenna that extends to 1/2 wave). If the phone operates
on the 1900 band then 1/4 wave fits well in a common
sized phone housing and wouldn't need to be extendable.
There probably is some effect from your hand and the other
phone parts in proximity but not as much as having it the
right length.
-Quick
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| 617 Phones 2006-01-27, 11:48 pm |
| Larry wrote:
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> Where are you on Bell$outh that doesn't have Alltel??
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Possibly a small town like Atlanta! Yes, their extended coverage
includes the area, but they don't have native coverage and therefore
don't market or sell service to local residents.
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| Robert 2006-01-28, 11:48 pm |
| In message < Xns9756EA006853Enoon
ehomecom@208.49.80.253>, Larry
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> Did someone say "Alltel"?.......(c;
The best.
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