Verizon wireless - Motorola Q

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Motorola Q

Mark Tetrault

2006-07-31, 10:33 am

So, is this a worthy phone. I keep seeing mixed reviews. I have a need for a
phone at least as good as my V710, with a contacts database in it. Or should
I spend the extra for either a Blackberry or Treo.

Suggestions or comments.......?

Mark

Larry

2006-07-31, 10:33 am

Mark Tetrault < mdtetrault@highstrea
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> Suggestions or comments.......?
>
>

What's your use for it? Like the others you mentioned, it's not a useful
computer for browsing the internet all hobbled up with its tiny screen and
near untypeable keyboard. No cellphone toy makes a good camera, so that's
out.

As a PDA, considering all the cell carriers do to prevent you're using it
without paying carriers to do something over-the-air you can do with a non-
cellphone PDA via IRda or cable to your computer, you're still better off
with a PDA without the cellular greed tinkering to hobble it.

Like I say....What's your use for it......that's worth all that load on its
battery, bleeding off the hours between charges. For any use, they're all
big compromises.

Thurman

2006-07-31, 10:33 am

"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
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> What's your use for it?

This is key.

>Like the others you mentioned, it's not a useful
> computer for browsing the internet all hobbled up with its tiny screen and
> near untypeable keyboard.

I used one last week. The screen is a bit better than my PPC2002. I
frequently use my cell or PDA for maps and searches. It works fine for
searches, less than desirable for maps. My Razr V3 displays enough detail
that I can find a place if I am in a familiar area. PDAs are better but
rural areas are issues because of all the green space. To overcome that I
use a Bluetooth external display of 640x240.

>No cellphone toy makes a good camera, so that's out.

Two municipal judges have ruled the pictures taken by a cell phone are
admissible as evidence >in specified instances<. There is also the factor of
ubiquitous. I took three pictures of a woman shoplifting over three days. I
don't think she would have stood still for the camera.

> As a PDA, considering all the cell carriers do to prevent you're using it
> without paying carriers to do something over-the-air you can do with a
> non-
> cellphone PDA via IRda or cable to your computer, you're still better off
> with a PDA without the cellular greed tinkering to hobble it.

Bluetooth connectivity is hobbled by one carrier. A source tells me there is
a software mod in progress. If you look at the Moto web, the Q was
originally made for GSM networks. There is a rumor Verizon had a 90 days
non-compete agreement.

> Like I say....What's your use for it......that's worth all that load on
> its
> battery, bleeding off the hours between charges. For any use, they're all
> big compromises.

I agree. I average about three connections per day out of a list of ~35
URL's. I have clients that claim good connections for email etc. while
traveling 80mph (with someone else driving).

The V3 is hobbled so I can't use a new Bluetooth GPS. That will be a primary
use of the new Q, if enabled. I've stated before, the conditions that I
design apps for on cellular devices: private, personal and public data.

Larry

2006-07-31, 3:33 pm

"Thurman" <thurman@bigplanet.com> wrote in
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> I agree. I average about three connections per day out of a list of
> ~35 URL's. I have clients that claim good connections for email etc.
> while traveling 80mph (with someone else driving).

That's one of my contentions for not owning one. You REALLY don't need
email at 80. With so many wifi hotspots, intentional and not, available
all over the city, I can't imagine not finding some place my wifi can get
email and look for that house at 102 Maple Street on Google Earth. NONE
of us need to be screwing around with a display you need a magnifying
glass to see...WHILE DRIVING A CAR! I've watched them doing it, and I
think this will FINALLY be the excuse used to ban cellphones in cars.
How stupid....and unnecessary.

>
> The V3 is hobbled so I can't use a new Bluetooth GPS. That will be a
> primary use of the new Q, if enabled. I've stated before, the
> conditions that I design apps for on cellular devices: private,
> personal and public data.
>

I'm far more interested in a non-cellular PDA that has a wifi transceiver
in it I can use without the notebook computer on the hotspots:
http://www.palm.com/us/products/handhelds/tx/

http://www.mobiletechreview.com/tips/wifi.htm
http://digital-lifestyles.info/disp...tion
&id=
1119
http://reviews-zdnet.com.com/4520-3...762.html?tag=cc

and.....NONE OF THESE COMPANIES has a pecuinary interest in DISABLING any
Bluetooth or Wifi feature the device is capable of.....and the hotspot
company can't disable it, either.

Cellular is screwing itself with greed.....

Mark Tetrault

2006-07-31, 3:33 pm

On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:29:57 -0400, Larry <noone@home.com> scribbled:

>Mark Tetrault < mdtetrault@highstrea
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>What's your use for it?

I have a Palm and a cell phone. It would be nice to keep all my contacts on
one battery operated device. No need to carry two when one would do.....

Mark

Larry

2006-07-31, 10:33 pm

Mark Tetrault < mdtetrault@highstrea
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> I have a Palm and a cell phone. It would be nice to keep all my
> contacts on one battery operated device. No need to carry two when one
> would do.....
>
> Mark
>

If I took control of your Palm away from you and forced you to do it "my
way" on my cellphone system, would that change your mind and make you think
maybe this wouldn't be such a great idea after all?

That's EXACTLY what the combination units are like.

Cellular thinks your phone is THEIRS to control and do with as THEY like.
If "WE" don't want you to do something your palm was designed to do, "WE"
will switch that feature to do what "WE" want it to do, not what YOU want
it to do.

I think it sucks, too, but that's the way it is......

Every time you press the SYNC button on your palm, think about it for a few
days....

George Orwell had the date wrong....

Quick

2006-07-31, 10:33 pm

Larry wrote:
>
> That's EXACTLY what the combination units are like.
>
> Cellular thinks your phone is THEIRS to control and do
> with as THEY like. If "WE" don't want you to do something
> your palm was designed to do, "WE" will switch that
> feature to do what "WE" want it to do, not what YOU want
> it to do.

Larry, time for repairs or fresh tin foil. Your hat is leaking...

-Quick

pltrgyst

2006-08-01, 10:33 am

On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:36:12 -0300, Mark Tetrault < mdtetrault@highstrea
m.net>
wrote:

>I have a Palm and a cell phone. It would be nice to keep all my contacts on
>one battery operated device. No need to carry two when one would do.....

Then you don't need to wear a watch, either.

-- Larry

pltrgyst

2006-08-01, 10:33 am

On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:11:40 GMT, "Quick" <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>Larry, time for repairs or fresh tin foil. Your hat is leaking...

Before poking more fun, maybe you could think about how, for example, Verizon
disables most Bluetooth capabilities on their phones...

-- Larry (VA)

Nessnet

2006-08-01, 12:33 pm

They didn't on the Q BTW....
(Since that IS the phone being discussed)

"pltrgyst" < pltrgyst@spamlessxho
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> On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:11:40 GMT, "Quick" <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Before poking more fun, maybe you could think about how, for example, Verizon
> disables most Bluetooth capabilities on their phones...
>
> -- Larry (VA)
>

Michael Wise

2006-08-01, 12:33 pm

In article < 1mpuc2p57u9t400brk6r
a0975qa3maossp@4ax.com>,
pltrgyst < pltrgyst@spamlessxho
st.org> wrote:

>
> Then you don't need to wear a watch, either.

Since when are all watches battery powered?

--Mike

Mark Tetrault

2006-08-01, 3:33 pm

On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:41:38 GMT, Michael Wise <no@no.spam> scribbled:

>In article < 1mpuc2p57u9t400brk6r
a0975qa3maossp@4ax.com>,
> pltrgyst < pltrgyst@spamlessxho
st.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>Since when are all watches battery powered?
>
>
>--Mike

Apparently this was the wrong forum to ask a realistic question. Sorry I
bothered..............

Nessnet

2006-08-01, 3:33 pm

I like mine - it is a Smartphone, not a PDA.
Thus, there are some limitations.

But, for what it seems you are looking for, it's great.
Good form factor, price is right - I'm very happy.

Question answered - sorry for the other 'noise'...

"Mark Tetrault" < mdtetrault@highstrea
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> On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:41:38 GMT, Michael Wise <no@no.spam> scribbled:
>
>
> Apparently this was the wrong forum to ask a realistic question. Sorry I
> bothered..............

Mark Tetrault

2006-08-01, 3:33 pm

On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:22:43 -0700, "Nessnet"
<richard@nodamnspam.nessnet.com> scribbled:

>I like mine - it is a Smartphone, not a PDA.
>Thus, there are some limitations.
>
>But, for what it seems you are looking for, it's great.
>Good form factor, price is right - I'm very happy.
>
>Question answered - sorry for the other 'noise'...
>
What are the limitations? I realize Verizon has crippled it somewhat? Will
it do all my V710 will do as a phone? Is it as good a phone as Motorola
phones generally are?

Does it have a contact database? a calendar?

Should I just buy a Treo or BBerry?

Tnx for the on topic reply.

Mark

Thurman

2006-08-01, 10:33 pm

"pltrgyst" < pltrgyst@spamlessxho
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> On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:36:12 -0300, Mark Tetrault
> < mdtetrault@highstrea
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> wrote:
>

When the battery on my DataWatch died 218 months ago, I just put it in the
box of "things to donate to the Science Museum".

My cell phone always has the correct time.

Nessnet

2006-08-01, 10:33 pm

The rumors of it being "crippled" are just that - rumors.
Or can very easily be fixed.
Remember, this device has a registry - which can easily be edited...
This isn't a BREW device.

I can do anything I want or need, including DUN via Bluetooth.
What missing BT profile exactly are you referring to?

The RF section is quite good - reviews are good and my experience is too.
Just do the Howard Forums thing, and all is well.

Outlook?? Ever heard of it...? (yes a calendar/contacts - it's a Windows Mobile device)

"Mark Tetrault" < mdtetrault@highstrea
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> On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:22:43 -0700, "Nessnet"
> <richard@nodamnspam.nessnet.com> scribbled:
>
> What are the limitations? I realize Verizon has crippled it somewhat? Will
> it do all my V710 will do as a phone? Is it as good a phone as Motorola
> phones generally are?
>
> Does it have a contact database? a calendar?
>
> Should I just buy a Treo or BBerry?
>
> Tnx for the on topic reply.
>
> Mark

John Navas

2006-08-02, 4:33 am

On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:03:18 -0700, "Nessnet"
<richard@nodamnspam.nessnet.com> wrote in
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>Outlook?? Ever heard of it...?

You mean Ouchlook?

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Mark Tetrault

2006-08-02, 4:33 am

On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:03:18 -0700, "Nessnet"
<richard@nodamnspam.nessnet.com> scribbled:

>The rumors of it being "crippled" are just that - rumors.
>Or can very easily be fixed.
>Remember, this device has a registry - which can easily be edited...
>This isn't a BREW device.
>
>I can do anything I want or need, including DUN via Bluetooth.
>What missing BT profile exactly are you referring to?
>
>The RF section is quite good - reviews are good and my experience is too.
>Just do the Howard Forums thing, and all is well.
>
>Outlook?? Ever heard of it...? (yes a calendar/contacts - it's a Windows Mobile device)
>

Thanks for your thoughts.

Mark

random electron

2006-11-11, 12:33 pm

Mark Tetrault < mdtetrault@highstrea
m.net> wrote in
news:3pvrc2lrfuf8uts
hldnk1g59ahppq0kp7s@
4ax.com:

> So, is this a worthy phone. I keep seeing mixed reviews. I have a need
> for a phone at least as good as my V710, with a contacts database in
> it. Or should I spend the extra for either a Blackberry or Treo.
>
> Suggestions or comments.......?
>
> Mark

As it is delivered, it is not a worthy phone as the battery does not last
the day.

Gunther Larssen

2006-11-11, 12:33 pm

I can't figure out how to get the benefits of the Q without spending
more than $100 for phone and data service.
Am I just looking at the wrong plans? Seems like I should wait for
Sprint to get the Q Pro version and then go with them...

In article < Xns9878777A2952Afake
fakenet@140.99.99.130>, random electron
<fake@fake.net> wrote:

> Mark Tetrault < mdtetrault@highstrea
m.net> wrote in
> news:3pvrc2lrfuf8uts
hldnk1g59ahppq0kp7s@
4ax.com:
>
>
> As it is delivered, it is not a worthy phone as the battery does not last
> the day.
>

Thurman

2006-11-11, 3:33 pm

"random electron" <fake@fake.net> wrote in message
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> Mark Tetrault < mdtetrault@highstrea
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> news:3pvrc2lrfuf8uts
hldnk1g59ahppq0kp7s@
4ax.com:
>
> As it is delivered, it is not a worthy phone as the battery does not last
> the day.

Depending on specs desired, while the Q is being advertised in the DFW area
for $99 by Verizon, the T-Mobile dash is pretty nice at ~$200. In the $200
range are multiple versions of Blackberry from assorted carriers.

My Hitachi cellular PPC lasted longer than Sprint's favorable rates, so for
the last year I carried it and a RAZR.

I want back to a single device for picture and data capture, plus browser
and local files, so I'll probably go for the HTC Hermes when released;
rumored to be $300- 400.

Scott

2006-11-11, 3:33 pm

There's a package for about $80/month but I think you only get 450 minutes.

I just got my Q free through Amazon.com last week by spending $100 for the
phone - now I'm eligible for the $100 rebate on top of it.

Battery sucks though so beware.
"Gunther Larssen" <larssengun@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I can't figure out how to get the benefits of the Q without spending
> more than $100 for phone and data service.
> Am I just looking at the wrong plans? Seems like I should wait for
> Sprint to get the Q Pro version and then go with them...
>
> In article < Xns9878777A2952Afake
fakenet@140.99.99.130>, random electron
> <fake@fake.net> wrote:
>

pkstore2

2006-11-12, 4:33 am

I get unlimited internet from Veriizon for $45 a month. Bought the extended
battery for $25 and everything is great! Added this phone for $10 to a
family share plan & am happy right now.

Pegleg

2006-11-12, 12:33 pm

On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 10:00:31 GMT, "pkstore2" <pkstore2@stereoview.net>
wrote:

>I get unlimited internet from Veriizon for $45 a month. Bought the extended
>battery for $25 and everything is great! Added this phone for $10 to a
>family share plan & am happy right now.
>
What do you mean..."unlimited Internet"?

Your location?

Your plan?

What was the point of your post?
-

Pegleg
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trippy

2006-11-15, 4:33 am

In article <3hC5h.25376$pq4.19407@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com>, pkstore2
took the hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh Wow"...

> I get unlimited internet from Veriizon for $45 a month.

Why? All you must ever do is check email and web surf.

No usenet? Then it's not unlimited internet service. 10 gigs a month?
Then it's not unlimited internet service. You can easily replicate
those same features using free programs and a crappy computer you get
at the Goodwill.

> Bought the extended
> battery for $25 and everything is great! Added this phone for $10 to a
> family share plan & am happy right now.
>
>
>

--
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pkstore2

2006-11-19, 12:33 pm

"Pegleg" <brian.pegleg.jones@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 10:00:31 GMT, "pkstore2" <pkstore2@stereoview.net>
> wrote:
>
> What do you mean..."unlimited Internet"?
>
> Your location?
>
> Your plan?

Unlimited internent browsing vs. paying per kb. I need to search for serious
things thru like Google when i am not at home and $45 a month for unlimited
is dirt cheap and profitable for me. I am in Ohio and this is a basic
Verizon plan.

pkstore2

2006-11-19, 12:33 pm

"trippy" < silverbells@tacoshel
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> In article <3hC5h.25376$pq4.19407@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com>, pkstore2
> took the hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh Wow"...
>
>
> Why? All you must ever do is check email and web surf.
>
> No usenet? Then it's not unlimited internet service. 10 gigs a month?
> Then it's not unlimited internet service. You can easily replicate
> those same features using free programs and a crappy computer you get
> at the Goodwill.

If i am on the road in my car or at a convention how can i use a desktop
computer at any given moment? You can't. With the Q you can just about
anywhere, anytime.

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