Verizon wireless - Verizon is damn stupid!

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Verizon is damn stupid!

nobody

2006-02-06, 11:48 pm

Does this make sense?

I started with Verizon Wireless in October 2001. Got a one year plan
and a crappy Moto Startac phone that rebooted itself every tenth call.
Luckily, I bought a different phone off eBay a year later without the
problems. But it's getting old, so I wanted to upgrade. Checked in with
Verizon about their New Every Two deal. "Nope. Sorry, you're not
eligible." Why? Because I was on a one year agreement.

So let me get this straight. Somebody who sticks with Verizon because
he signed a two-year agreement and didn't want to pay the ridiculous
termination charge is worth $100, what Verizon is willing to give him
as credit on a new phone. Meanwhile, somebody like me, who stuck with
Verizon three years after my agreement ended and who is willing to sign
a new two-year agreement is worth only $50, what they offered me.
Excuse me, but which do you think is the more loyal customer?

What the hell kind of thinking is this? Is every bean counter and
lawyer at Verizon suffering from senility? And that's not even taking
into account that Verizon phones are crippled at the factory.

Goodbye, Verizon. Hello, Cingular, Sprint or anyone who's actually
interested in their customers. I didn't have a problem signing up for a
new two-year contract. I guess my next two years won't be with Verizon.

Proconsul

2006-02-06, 11:48 pm

On 2006-02-06 14:38:32 -0800, nobody <me@nowhere.com> said:

> Does this make sense?
>
> I started with Verizon Wireless in October 2001. Got a one year plan
> and a crappy Moto Startac phone that rebooted itself every tenth call.
> Luckily, I bought a different phone off eBay a year later without the
> problems. But it's getting old, so I wanted to upgrade. Checked in with
> Verizon about their New Every Two deal. "Nope. Sorry, you're not
> eligible." Why? Because I was on a one year agreement.
>
> So let me get this straight. Somebody who sticks with Verizon because
> he signed a two-year agreement and didn't want to pay the ridiculous
> termination charge is worth $100, what Verizon is willing to give him
> as credit on a new phone. Meanwhile, somebody like me, who stuck with
> Verizon three years after my agreement ended and who is willing to sign
> a new two-year agreement is worth only $50, what they offered me.
> Excuse me, but which do you think is the more loyal customer?
>
> What the hell kind of thinking is this? Is every bean counter and
> lawyer at Verizon suffering from senility? And that's not even taking
> into account that Verizon phones are crippled at the factory.
>
> Goodbye, Verizon. Hello, Cingular, Sprint or anyone who's actually
> interested in their customers. I didn't have a problem signing up for a
> new two-year contract. I guess my next two years won't be with Verizon.

Don't let the door hit your XXX on the way out - just another one of
"those" with an attitude.....

You didn't have a "new every two" agreement. You didn't PAY for one.
No matter, you expect the carrier to give you what you want whether you
deserve it or not.....or whether you paid for it or not....

Talk about "fuzzy" thinking.....:)

It ain't that Verizon isn't interested in their customers, it's that
you aren't williing to live up to the terms of your contract - while
expecting Verizon to just let it slide and honor your "whim" of the
moment.....

PC

The Ghost of General Lee

2006-02-06, 11:48 pm

On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 22:38:32 GMT, nobody <me@nowhere.com> wrote:

>Does this make sense?
>
>I started with Verizon Wireless in October 2001. Got a one year plan
>and a crappy Moto Startac phone that rebooted itself every tenth call.
>Luckily, I bought a different phone off eBay a year later without the
>problems. But it's getting old, so I wanted to upgrade. Checked in with
>Verizon about their New Every Two deal. "Nope. Sorry, you're not
>eligible." Why? Because I was on a one year agreement.

Yep. That's the rules.

>So let me get this straight. Somebody who sticks with Verizon because
>he signed a two-year agreement and didn't want to pay the ridiculous
>termination charge is worth $100, what Verizon is willing to give him
>as credit on a new phone. Meanwhile, somebody like me, who stuck with
>Verizon three years after my agreement ended and who is willing to sign
>a new two-year agreement is worth only $50, what they offered me.
>Excuse me, but which do you think is the more loyal customer?

It doesn't matter what I or anyone else here thinks. To VZW, the
"more loyal customer" is someone willing to sign a two year contract,
twice.

>What the hell kind of thinking is this? Is every bean counter and
>lawyer at Verizon suffering from senility? And that's not even taking
>into account that Verizon phones are crippled at the factory.
>
>Goodbye, Verizon. Hello, Cingular, Sprint or anyone who's actually
>interested in their customers. I didn't have a problem signing up for a
>new two-year contract. I guess my next two years won't be with Verizon.

Maybe that is best.

Special Ed

2006-02-06, 11:48 pm

"nobody" <me@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:060220061738322
015%me@nowhere.com...
> Does this make sense?
>
> I started with Verizon Wireless in October 2001. Got a one year plan
> and a crappy Moto Startac phone that rebooted itself every tenth call.
> Luckily, I bought a different phone off eBay a year later without the
> problems. But it's getting old, so I wanted to upgrade. Checked in with
> Verizon about their New Every Two deal. "Nope. Sorry, you're not
> eligible." Why? Because I was on a one year agreement.
>
> So let me get this straight. Somebody who sticks with Verizon because
> he signed a two-year agreement and didn't want to pay the ridiculous
> termination charge is worth $100, what Verizon is willing to give him
> as credit on a new phone. Meanwhile, somebody like me, who stuck with
> Verizon three years after my agreement ended and who is willing to sign
> a new two-year agreement is worth only $50, what they offered me.
> Excuse me, but which do you think is the more loyal customer?
>
> What the hell kind of thinking is this? Is every bean counter and
> lawyer at Verizon suffering from senility? And that's not even taking
> into account that Verizon phones are crippled at the factory.
>
> Goodbye, Verizon. Hello, Cingular, Sprint or anyone who's actually
> interested in their customers. I didn't have a problem signing up for a
> new two-year contract. I guess my next two years won't be with Verizon.

Yep, they must have done a mission statement about becoming masters of
pissing off their key constituency-- their customers. The play take-away,
charge you for stuff that used to be free, nickel and dime you to death with
junk fees, take increasing advantage of the one sided "screw the Customer"
Agreement as well as increasingly restrict the calling plans.

I guess they figure they can get away with it because their service is
generally decent. But me, I'm pissed a them for their lack of customer
mindedness and will bail at the end of my current contract. T-Mobile and
Sprint are pretty good in my area so I'll give one of them a try. Maybe even
Cingular who has the sweetest deals-- but I'm not sure how good their
service is around Atlanta.

Edw.

nobody

2006-02-06, 11:48 pm

In article <2006020615003616807-proconsul@coxnet>, Proconsul
<proconsul@cox.net> wrote:

> You didn't have a "new every two" agreement. You didn't PAY for one.
> No matter, you expect the carrier to give you what you want whether you
> deserve it or not.....or whether you paid for it or not....

You're an imbecile. What exactly does someone with a two-year agreement
"pay" for New Every Two? An extra $1 a month? $2? $10? Try not a
freaking cent. Verizon profited off me for four years, by my choice.
They apparently are more interested in the guys who stay with them by
force of contract.

> It ain't that Verizon isn't interested in their customers, it's that
> you aren't williing to live up to the terms of your contract - while
> expecting Verizon to just let it slide and honor your "whim" of the
> moment.....

Try again, numbskull. I fulfilled my contract plus three years. But I'm
out of here. Cingular offered me a nice Sony Ericsson W600i for free.
Bye, bye, Verizon.

Mack McKinnon

2006-02-06, 11:48 pm

"nobody" <me@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:060220061738322
015%me@nowhere.com...

> Goodbye, Verizon. Hello, Cingular, Sprint or anyone who's actually
> interested in their customers. I didn't have a problem signing up for a
> new two-year contract. I guess my next two years won't be with Verizon.

And they won't miss you anymore than any of the other companies will. Those
are big corporations; they make their rules based on what they think will
bring in the most money and they don't care anything about you as an
individual. You think Cingular or Sprint cares about YOU -- as an
individual. Please come into the real world!

Your job is to learn how to get along successfully in the actual environment
we live in because it is definitely something you can't do anything about.

Take your satisfaction by nickle and dimeing other big companies whenever
you can: Keep enough in your bank account so that you never pay any fees.
The banks hate that. Get credit cards that pay you back 5% for groceries,
gas or whatever, then pay them off in full every month. They REALLY hate
that! Sign up your household for Amazon Prime and get free shipping for a
year for $80, putting everything on an Amazon credit card which you pay in
full every month, so you get 3% back -- that right there is killing Amazon's
profit margins! When those credit card companies send you irritating fake
plastic credit cards, send them back to the company in their pre-paid
envelope, along with some pizza coupons. There are ways to get back at them
and put a little money in your pocket while you're at it.

But if you want Verizon's superior service, you pretty much have to go along
with their rules. I buy a phone probably every year or so -- never wait the
two years, certainly not to get a measly $100 off. I just happily sign up
for another 2-year agreement whenever I need to, which keeps me always 1 or
2 years out. (They don't seem to tack the two years onto to whatever
agreement you now have but just end your agreement 2 years from when you do
the new deal.) If I ever leave Verizon, I will pay them their $175. Big
deal. Those are the rules and if I want to have their service, I know I
have to live by them.

I know that I will NEVER get $100 off a Verizon phone and I will NEVER leave
them without paying $175. So what?

mack
austin

nobody

2006-02-06, 11:48 pm

In article < d9CdnZjYwKhXS3renZ2d
nUVZ_smdnZ2d@comcast
.com>, Special Ed
<ed@spl-edu> wrote:

> I'm pissed a them for their lack of customer
> mindedness and will bail at the end of my current contract.

Yep, that's exactly what they haven't learned about contracts. They'll
lock you in for two years, but probably piss you off enough that 2
years is all they'll get.

Hint to cell carriers: Provide great service at decent prices, forget
the contracts, and customers will still beat a path to your door.

go4telfair@gmail.com

2006-02-06, 11:48 pm

what do you think shit like t-mobile to go is? its called prepaid
cellular! if you don't want the hassles of a contract, buy prepaid.
you're paying nearly the same per minute charge but without the
contract. and yes, they do look favorably upon people who pay for two
years in advance. if you keep signing one year contracts, you'll get
treated like you signed a one year contract, i.e. worse than someone
who signed a two year. yeah, congratulations, you stayed with a
company for more than your contract. i guarantee that you'll be saying
the exact same complaint in the alt.cellular.att newsgroup in about a
year and a half. i came from att/cingular and hated it. they told me
that my number was locked in a tower and they couldn't get it out. i
asked why and was told that it could be something as little as someone
in another apt hanging a pot in a new location! how crappy is your
service when a pot in a new location in another apartment across the
compound screws my service up? enjoy cingular and those idiots who
care less about their customers than verizon does! i personally can't
wait to see what you post when they screw you over too. are you going
to try out every cell company, rotating every three years when you
don't get what you want? what else do you do this with? cars?
apartments? homes? when your boss won't give you vacation time, do
you tell him to f off and get out that situation? join reality and
realize that companies aren't here to cater to every customers whim.
for every one of you, there are three more coming to verizon from other
carriers or who are just starting with verizon b/c all their friends
and family have verizon and they want to have "in" calling. i know
that all other cell companies have that now, but most people have
joined verizon when verizon started that. verizon has the largest
nationwide network and the largest customer base. you think they care
about you and your pedantic ravings? what color is the sky in your
world and can i come live on fantasy island also, b/c it sounds like a
lot of fun! good luck in life, my friend, you'll need it.

kevin weaver

2006-02-06, 11:48 pm

"nobody" <me@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:060220061738322
015%me@nowhere.com...
> Does this make sense?
>
> I started with Verizon Wireless in October 2001. Got a one year plan
> and a crappy Moto Startac phone that rebooted itself every tenth call.
> Luckily, I bought a different phone off eBay a year later without the
> problems. But it's getting old, so I wanted to upgrade. Checked in with
> Verizon about their New Every Two deal. "Nope. Sorry, you're not
> eligible." Why? Because I was on a one year agreement.
>
> So let me get this straight. Somebody who sticks with Verizon because
> he signed a two-year agreement and didn't want to pay the ridiculous
> termination charge is worth $100, what Verizon is willing to give him
> as credit on a new phone. Meanwhile, somebody like me, who stuck with
> Verizon three years after my agreement ended and who is willing to sign
> a new two-year agreement is worth only $50, what they offered me.
> Excuse me, but which do you think is the more loyal customer?
>
> What the hell kind of thinking is this? Is every bean counter and
> lawyer at Verizon suffering from senility? And that's not even taking
> into account that Verizon phones are crippled at the factory.
>
> Goodbye, Verizon. Hello, Cingular, Sprint or anyone who's actually
> interested in their customers. I didn't have a problem signing up for a
> new two-year contract. I guess my next two years won't be with Verizon.

That's verizon. This Is why I'm going to jump ship also.
I've been with them for over 10 yrs starting with GTE Mobilnet.
I been fighting them over a 21 cent charge. They charged me for a long
distance call I never made. (2 of them)
They took off the charges but they tell me I have to pay the taxes on the
two calls I never made. They can kiss my XXX.

I have 5 months to go and the 175.00 charge will be a little less then the 5
months left on my account. Then I'll sell the phone on Ebay and go
elsewhere.

Quick

2006-02-06, 11:48 pm

nobody wrote:
> Does this make sense?
>
> So let me get this straight. Somebody who sticks with
> Verizon because he signed a two-year agreement and didn't
> want to pay the ridiculous termination charge is worth
> $100, what Verizon is willing to give him as credit on a
> new phone. Meanwhile, somebody like me, who stuck with
> Verizon three years after my agreement ended and who is
> willing to sign a new two-year agreement is worth only
> $50,

Duhhhh, you don't see the difference?

You did 4 years by committing to 1 year and then 1 month
at a time reserving your right to terminate without an ETF
at any moment.

Why didn't you do 2 2-year contracts and pick up $200
towards equipment upgrades? Apparently there was some
reason for you not to sign up for 2 years to get the NE2?
I assume that was worth something to you. That is what
they are offering the incentive for. NE2 is not a loyalty reward,
it's an incentive to make a 2 year commitment. In fact, VZW
doesn't do loyalty rewards. They also don't give new customers
deals not available to existing customers. I rather prefer
companies that have everything up front and don't do "special"
deals or make exceptions for some and not others. I'm sure
you'll really enjoy the other carriers -- somehow I get the feeling
you'll be doing more than one of them....

-Quick

The Ghost of General Lee

2006-02-06, 11:48 pm

On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 01:40:42 GMT, "Quick"
<quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:

>Why didn't you do 2 2-year contracts and pick up $200
>towards equipment upgrades?

Double check that, Quick. Don't you only get the NE2 credit after
fulfilling the first 2 year contract *and* signing another 2 year
contract? In short, you have to commit to 4 years of VZW service
before you can redeem the first NE2 credit. Or have things changed in
the 2+ months since I left?

Larry

2006-02-06, 11:48 pm

nobody <me@nowhere.com> wrote in news:060220061738322
015%me@nowhere.com:

> Goodbye, Verizon. Hello, Cingular, Sprint or anyone who's actually
> interested in their customers. I didn't have a problem signing up for a
> new two-year contract. I guess my next two years won't be with Verizon.
>

Ahh...the pleasures of number portability raises its ugly head...(c;

Got Alltel in your area? That's where I moved my number to. Works great
and they still have regional service with lotsa minutes for $40/month. I
think the new customers are getting 1000min/month, unlimited N/W, free LD,
toy package for $39.95 (about $47 with taxes in SC) this month. Coverages
is the two states, but, unlike VZW, you can buy a block of 100 nationwide
minutes when you travel for $10 to use any time you like. They don't
expire. If you're an infrequent traveller it works far better than measily
minutes for awful prices just because they force you on a nationwide plan
you don't need.

(In all honesty, I also get a nice $25 credit every time I sell a new
Alltel customer. I've had a credit balance every month for a while on this
commission. VZW customers are an easy sell...(c;)

Come on over! Neat new phones, too, if that turns you on.

Janet Wilder

2006-02-06, 11:48 pm

Janet Wilder

2006-02-06, 11:48 pm

nobody wrote:

>
> Yep, that's exactly what they haven't learned about contracts. They'll
> lock you in for two years, but probably piss you off enough that 2
> years is all they'll get.
>

I signed my first Verizon contract in 2000. I'm on #3 free
phone...totally free....no shipping, no sales tax. I've had service in
places in the US where Sprint, AT&T, T-Mobile, Cingular and Nextel
phones were only good as boat anchors. I've been using my VZW phones for
internet access for minutes of use and no additional fees since 2001. If
there was a problem with the billing, a phone call corrected it. I'm
happy with the phones I've gotten and I'm happy with my service.

What am I doing wrong?!!

Janet
--
-----------
Janet Wilder
The Road Princess
http://janetwilder.blogspot.com

Quick

2006-02-06, 11:48 pm

The Ghost of General Lee wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 01:40:42 GMT, "Quick"
> <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Double check that, Quick. Don't you only get the NE2
> credit after fulfilling the first 2 year contract *and*
> signing another 2 year contract? In short, you have to
> commit to 4 years of VZW service before you can redeem
> the first NE2 credit. Or have things changed in the 2+
> months since I left?

Nope. You're absolutely correct.

It takes 2 years to "load the pipe". Then you can get $100
every 2 years after that.

The implication is that this guy went 4 years without ever
changing plans. The implication of that is that he had the
lowest rate plan available when he first signed up and no
need for more minutes (OR he was one of those adamant
about not commiting to a contract if at all possible). Now
he's miffed, after the fact, that they didn't make an exception
for him since he maintained service for 4 years.

Yea, I know there are other possibilities but none that don't
include:

Having a reason to not be under contract
Maintaining a bare minimum level of service
Just not caring about the $100 NE2

So being miffed about it doesn't seem warranted.

-Quick

The Ghost of General Lee

2006-02-06, 11:48 pm

On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 20:58:11 -0500, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

>(In all honesty, I also get a nice $25 credit every time I sell a new
>Alltel customer.

Damn, Larry. Why didn't you say this before? I could have given you
another credit in November.;-)

The Ghost of General Lee

2006-02-06, 11:48 pm

On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 20:10:17 -0600, Janet Wilder
<kelliepoodle@yahoo.com> wrote:

>nobody wrote:
>
>
>I signed my first Verizon contract in 2000. I'm on #3 free
>phone...totally free....no shipping, no sales tax. I've had service in
>places in the US where Sprint, AT&T, T-Mobile, Cingular and Nextel
>phones were only good as boat anchors. I've been using my VZW phones for
>internet access for minutes of use and no additional fees since 2001. If
>there was a problem with the billing, a phone call corrected it. I'm
>happy with the phones I've gotten and I'm happy with my service.
>
>What am I doing wrong?!!
>

You obviously failed to *not* read your contract.:-)

SMS

2006-02-06, 11:48 pm

Quick

2006-02-06, 11:48 pm

Janet Wilder wrote:
> nobody wrote:
>
> I'm happy with the phones I've gotten
> and I'm happy with my service.
>
> What am I doing wrong?!!

You should feel entitled to something that you're
not and feel miffed about it. shame on you.

-Quick

Larry

2006-02-06, 11:48 pm

The Ghost of General Lee <ghost@general.lee> wrote in
news:b63gu11ujh78gmt
l71s9pbu3sg77es5n0p@
4ax.com:

> Damn, Larry. Why didn't you say this before? I could have given you
> another credit in November.;-)
>
>

Darn! I missed another one!

Go see all your old VZW friends and stop by your Alltel store and pick up
the business cards from a rep that are stamped on the back. Fill in your
part and give them to your friends to hand in when they port over to
Alltel. You're allowed 3 a month, leaving a credit balance on my
account...(c;

VZW customers are an easy sell...hee hee.

Should be even easier upstate! Alltel roams over to VZW's towers if need
be so they have nothing to lose....except the price.

Mike Levy

2006-02-07, 2:48 am

On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 22:38:32 GMT, nobody <me@nowhere.com> wrote:

>Does this make sense?
>
>I started with Verizon Wireless in October 2001. Got a one year plan
>and a crappy Moto Startac phone that rebooted itself every tenth call.
>Luckily, I bought a different phone off eBay a year later without the
>problems. But it's getting old, so I wanted to upgrade. Checked in with
>Verizon about their New Every Two deal. "Nope. Sorry, you're not
>eligible." Why? Because I was on a one year agreement.
>
>So let me get this straight. Somebody who sticks with Verizon because
>he signed a two-year agreement and didn't want to pay the ridiculous
>termination charge is worth $100, what Verizon is willing to give him
>as credit on a new phone. Meanwhile, somebody like me, who stuck with
>Verizon three years after my agreement ended and who is willing to sign
>a new two-year agreement is worth only $50, what they offered me.
>Excuse me, but which do you think is the more loyal customer?
>
>What the hell kind of thinking is this? Is every bean counter and
>lawyer at Verizon suffering from senility? And that's not even taking
>into account that Verizon phones are crippled at the factory.
>
>Goodbye, Verizon. Hello, Cingular, Sprint or anyone who's actually
>interested in their customers. I didn't have a problem signing up for a
>new two-year contract. I guess my next two years won't be with Verizon.

As others said, you didn't have a contract that entitled you to NE2
pricing on your upgrade. Why should VZW gaurantee you a $100 discount
on your next phone, 2 years from the time you sign your contract, when
you only signed a 1 year contract? Was NE2 even available in 2001? I
don't recall if I got my T730 as a NE2 upgrade or if it was an upgrade
I paid for and my plan update added the NE2 to my contract at that
time.

Larry

2006-02-07, 2:48 am

nobody wrote:

> Does this make sense?
>
> I started with Verizon Wireless in October 2001. Got a one year plan
> and a crappy Moto Startac phone that rebooted itself every tenth call.
> Luckily, I bought a different phone off eBay a year later without the
> problems. But it's getting old, so I wanted to upgrade. Checked in with
> Verizon about their New Every Two deal. "Nope. Sorry, you're not
> eligible." Why? Because I was on a one year agreement.
>
> So let me get this straight. Somebody who sticks with Verizon because
> he signed a two-year agreement and didn't want to pay the ridiculous
> termination charge is worth $100, what Verizon is willing to give him
> as credit on a new phone. Meanwhile, somebody like me, who stuck with
> Verizon three years after my agreement ended and who is willing to sign
> a new two-year agreement is worth only $50, what they offered me.
> Excuse me, but which do you think is the more loyal customer?
>
> What the hell kind of thinking is this? Is every bean counter and
> lawyer at Verizon suffering from senility? And that's not even taking
> into account that Verizon phones are crippled at the factory.
>
> Goodbye, Verizon. Hello, Cingular, Sprint or anyone who's actually
> interested in their customers. I didn't have a problem signing up for a
> new two-year contract. I guess my next two years won't be with Verizon.
I understand your frustration. I also tried the same thing ... wanted a
new phone prior to the expiration of my contract. They were willing to
oblige, but I had to pay full price on the phone ... in other words,
they offered better discounts to new customers walking in off the street.

But you see ... that is EXACTLY what those discounts are for. They lower
the price of the phone to incent NEW customers to sign NEW contracts.
There is no reason for them (financially) to need to incent someone who
is already a customer by lowering the price of the phone to the same
price that a new customer would pay. Why would you expect them to be
willing to lose money just cause you want to get a new phone? This also
has to do with the fact that you signed a contract with Verizon ... and
by wanting a new phone and a new contract, you are breaking the contract
you already have with them. It's kinda like leasing a car for 3 years
and then coming back in 1 year and expecting the dealer to give you a
new car for the same monthly lease price that he/she gives to new
customers ... with no termination penalty. I know it's not what you and
I would like as consumers, but it's business.

So ... I just deal with it. If I really need a new phone that badly, I
wait until my 1 year anniversary ... I believe at that point they will
offer you a new contract with a discounted phone. But you still forego
the $100 New Every Two Credit. It's all in the contract.

Larry

Quick

2006-02-07, 2:48 am

Larry wrote:

> I understand your frustration. I also tried the same
> thing ... wanted a new phone prior to the expiration of
> my contract. They were willing to oblige, but I had to
> pay full price on the phone ... in other words, they
> offered better discounts to new customers walking in off
> the street.

errrr, ummm, how do you figure that? They offer the same
discount to anyone signing a 1 or 2 year contract.

....wait... wait... it's coming to me... Oh yea, I get it now!

Larry signs a 1 year contract in January and wants a
discount on new equipment in June. No deal.
New customer X walks into a store in June and gets a
discount. data point 1.
Larry trys again in August. No deal.
New customer Y walks into a store in August and gets
a discount for signing a contract. data point 2.
Larry trys again in October. No deal.
New customer Z walks into a store in October and gets
a discount for signing a contract. data point 3.

Pretty compelling proof that new customers can get
a discount any time they want and existing customers
get screwed.

> But you see ... that is EXACTLY what those discounts are
> for. They lower the price of the phone to incent NEW
> customers to sign NEW contracts. There is no reason for
> them (financially) to need to incent someone who is
> already a customer by lowering the price of the phone to
> the same price that a new customer would pay.

It's just you Larry. They just wanted to run you off. I've
been a customer for 8 or more years and just 2 years
ago I got the new customer price on equipment (not just
1 phone but 2 phones). In fact, 3 years ago I got my
Kyocera 7135 for $100 less than a new customer. I did
the same thing 1 year before that on the wife's line. and
2 years before that again on mine. All told I've purchased
9 phones through them and never paid more than a new
customer and often less. It looks like you may have been
discriminated against? They probably still remember when
you threw the chairs in the lobby.

-Quick

The Ghost of General Lee

2006-02-07, 2:48 am

On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 22:34:58 -0500, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

>The Ghost of General Lee <ghost@general.lee> wrote in
> news:b63gu11ujh78gmt
l71s9pbu3sg77es5n0p@
4ax.com:
>
>
>Darn! I missed another one!
>
>Go see all your old VZW friends and stop by your Alltel store and pick up
>the business cards from a rep that are stamped on the back. Fill in your
>part and give them to your friends to hand in when they port over to
>Alltel. You're allowed 3 a month, leaving a credit balance on my
>account...(c;

No can do. I had my mother close her VZW when I transferred, and put
her on as an additional line on my account. Everyone else I know
already uses Stinkular, Suncom, or Nextel. I personally know no one
left with VZW.

>VZW customers are an easy sell...hee hee.

Not really. If they love flip phones with useless toy features, and
what is arguably the best network here, then it's a hard sell. Hell,
Larry, it took me over a year to make up my mind to leave. And if
they had a Kyocera candy bar set w/ speakerphone that didn't require
paying for PTT service, I wouldn't have left then.

>Should be even easier upstate! Alltel roams over to VZW's towers if need
>be so they have nothing to lose....except the price.

Yeah, but my service is still much spottier than it was on VZW. I'll
bet I've dropped more calls this month on Alltel than I did in the
last five years with VZW. Granted, it could be the phone. I'm going
to have Alltel check it out later this week. But I was wanting
basically the same phone with VZW, so I doubt the phone would have
made a difference in this case.

The Ghost of General Lee

2006-02-07, 2:48 am

On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 05:06:31 GMT, "Quick"
<quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:

>Larry wrote:
>
>
>errrr, ummm, how do you figure that? They offer the same
>discount to anyone signing a 1 or 2 year contract.
>
>...wait... wait... it's coming to me... Oh yea, I get it now!
>
>Larry signs a 1 year contract in January and wants a
>discount on new equipment in June. No deal.
>New customer X walks into a store in June and gets a
>discount. data point 1.
>Larry trys again in August. No deal.
>New customer Y walks into a store in August and gets
>a discount for signing a contract. data point 2.
>Larry trys again in October. No deal.
>New customer Z walks into a store in October and gets
>a discount for signing a contract. data point 3.
>
>Pretty compelling proof that new customers can get
>a discount any time they want and existing customers
>get screwed.

And lest we forget, data point 4. During my contemplations on signing
a new VZW contract in November, the sales rep offered to *GIVE* me 2
new Kyoceras along with car chargers if I bought a KX444, even with my
NE2 credit. I was probably already a VZW/BANM/BAM customer while this
guy was still in elementary school.

I think the Charleston stores had posters with Larry's picture on it
that said, "Don't give this man ANY deals!"

DonR.

2006-02-07, 2:48 am

You'll be back, if you want good coverage.

"nobody" <me@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:060220061738322
015%me@nowhere.com...
> Does this make sense?
>
> I started with Verizon Wireless in October 2001. Got a one year plan
> and a crappy Moto Startac phone that rebooted itself every tenth call.
> Luckily, I bought a different phone off eBay a year later without the
> problems. But it's getting old, so I wanted to upgrade. Checked in with
> Verizon about their New Every Two deal. "Nope. Sorry, you're not
> eligible." Why? Because I was on a one year agreement.
>
> So let me get this straight. Somebody who sticks with Verizon because
> he signed a two-year agreement and didn't want to pay the ridiculous
> termination charge is worth $100, what Verizon is willing to give him
> as credit on a new phone. Meanwhile, somebody like me, who stuck with
> Verizon three years after my agreement ended and who is willing to sign
> a new two-year agreement is worth only $50, what they offered me.
> Excuse me, but which do you think is the more loyal customer?
>
> What the hell kind of thinking is this? Is every bean counter and
> lawyer at Verizon suffering from senility? And that's not even taking
> into account that Verizon phones are crippled at the factory.
>
> Goodbye, Verizon. Hello, Cingular, Sprint or anyone who's actually
> interested in their customers. I didn't have a problem signing up for a
> new two-year contract. I guess my next two years won't be with Verizon.

Bob the Printer

2006-02-07, 2:48 am

"nobody" <me@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:060220061817040
751%me@nowhere.com...
> In article <2006020615003616807-proconsul@coxnet>, Proconsul

> Try again, numbskull. I fulfilled my contract plus three years. But I'm
> out of here. Cingular offered me a nice Sony Ericsson W600i for free.
> Bye, bye, Verizon.

Bye Bye, NOBODY!

Larry

2006-02-07, 5:48 pm

The Ghost of General Lee <ghost@general.lee> wrote in
news:pgagu11vo0uj9tk
kaf59vtu6k3jtrs50fn@
4ax.com:

> Yeah, but my service is still much spottier than it was on VZW. I'll
> bet I've dropped more calls this month on Alltel than I did in the
> last five years with VZW. Granted, it could be the phone. I'm going
> to have Alltel check it out later this week. But I was wanting
> basically the same phone with VZW, so I doubt the phone would have
> made a difference in this case.
>
>

Hmm...that's not true on the coast. Down here, VZW is a kluged-up bunch of
absorbed other systems, PCS in Myrtle Beach, Cellular One in Charleston on
A, Bell Atlantic NW of I-95 on B, South Carolina Cellular's little mom and
pop company S of Charleston on A to Savannah. Alltel bought up 360 Comm's
coastal license on B but, of course, is A in Columbia NW of I-95.
Sometimes it hands off, sometimes it drops at that line.

Wonder if its dropping calls switching systems under that roaming
agreement, or is trying to hold onto the call too long on the system
fringes?? CDMA has too much profit-protective programming...

Richard Ness

2006-02-07, 5:48 pm

I asked about 'new every two' a year or so ago on one of my accounts.
I was on a year by year that was up. But I had been with VZW for a few years.
Sound familiar?

Gee.... I asked nicely and they modified my account and I got the new every two
credit I was looking for. I like VZW - I had no problem sticking around for 2 years.

Now I wonder..... what is the difference between the two situations here???
Could it be YOUR attitude?

"nobody" <me@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:060220061738322
015%me@nowhere.com...
> Does this make sense?
>
> I started with Verizon Wireless in October 2001. Got a one year plan
> and a crappy Moto Startac phone that rebooted itself every tenth call.
> Luckily, I bought a different phone off eBay a year later without the
> problems. But it's getting old, so I wanted to upgrade. Checked in with
> Verizon about their New Every Two deal. "Nope. Sorry, you're not
> eligible." Why? Because I was on a one year agreement.
>
> So let me get this straight. Somebody who sticks with Verizon because
> he signed a two-year agreement and didn't want to pay the ridiculous
> termination charge is worth $100, what Verizon is willing to give him
> as credit on a new phone. Meanwhile, somebody like me, who stuck with
> Verizon three years after my agreement ended and who is willing to sign
> a new two-year agreement is worth only $50, what they offered me.
> Excuse me, but which do you think is the more loyal customer?
>
> What the hell kind of thinking is this? Is every bean counter and
> lawyer at Verizon suffering from senility? And that's not even taking
> into account that Verizon phones are crippled at the factory.
>
> Goodbye, Verizon. Hello, Cingular, Sprint or anyone who's actually
> interested in their customers. I didn't have a problem signing up for a
> new two-year contract. I guess my next two years won't be with Verizon.

Frankster

2006-02-07, 5:48 pm

Rather than address all your comments, some fair, some not, let me say this.

First, the VZW NE2 is now $50. It is no longer $100.

Second, you're right, it's not much of a "deal". Not then, and especially
not now.

Third, the only real benefit is for those that would have signed multiple
contracts with VZW regardless of the NE2 thing. Then, what the hell, take
the discount, IF YOU NEED A PHONE AT THAT TIME.

It's stupid to BUY a phone simply because of the NE2. Shit, when I buy a
phone I have to buy all kinds of accessories to go with it (i.e. 2
extra-strength batteries, data cable, case, etc). The cost, over and above
the phone price to me is way more than the measly $50 NE2.

My advice to newcomers is to just forget the NE2. It's a benefit not worth
talking about. If you get it fine, if not, it wasn't anything to change your
life anyway.

BTW, loyalty is irrelevant to both sides. It's all business.

-Frank

"nobody" <me@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:060220061738322
015%me@nowhere.com...
> Does this make sense?
>
> I started with Verizon Wireless in October 2001. Got a one year plan
> and a crappy Moto Startac phone that rebooted itself every tenth call.
> Luckily, I bought a different phone off eBay a year later without the
> problems. But it's getting old, so I wanted to upgrade. Checked in with
> Verizon about their New Every Two deal. "Nope. Sorry, you're not
> eligible." Why? Because I was on a one year agreement.
>
> So let me get this straight. Somebody who sticks with Verizon because
> he signed a two-year agreement and didn't want to pay the ridiculous
> termination charge is worth $100, what Verizon is willing to give him
> as credit on a new phone. Meanwhile, somebody like me, who stuck with
> Verizon three years after my agreement ended and who is willing to sign
> a new two-year agreement is worth only $50, what they offered me.
> Excuse me, but which do you think is the more loyal customer?
>
> What the hell kind of thinking is this? Is every bean counter and
> lawyer at Verizon suffering from senility? And that's not even taking
> into account that Verizon phones are crippled at the factory.
>
> Goodbye, Verizon. Hello, Cingular, Sprint or anyone who's actually
> interested in their customers. I didn't have a problem signing up for a
> new two-year contract. I guess my next two years won't be with Verizon.

Larry

2006-02-07, 11:48 pm

Quick wrote:
> Larry wrote:
>
>
>
>
> errrr, ummm, how do you figure that? They offer the same
> discount to anyone signing a 1 or 2 year contract.
>
> ...wait... wait... it's coming to me... Oh yea, I get it now!
>
> Larry signs a 1 year contract in January and wants a
> discount on new equipment in June. No deal.
> New customer X walks into a store in June and gets a
> discount. data point 1.
> Larry trys again in August. No deal.
> New customer Y walks into a store in August and gets
> a discount for signing a contract. data point 2.
> Larry trys again in October. No deal.
> New customer Z walks into a store in October and gets
> a discount for signing a contract. data point 3.
>
> Pretty compelling proof that new customers can get
> a discount any time they want and existing customers
> get screwed.
>
>
>
>
> It's just you Larry. They just wanted to run you off. I've
> been a customer for 8 or more years and just 2 years
> ago I got the new customer price on equipment (not just
> 1 phone but 2 phones). In fact, 3 years ago I got my
> Kyocera 7135 for $100 less than a new customer. I did
> the same thing 1 year before that on the wife's line. and
> 2 years before that again on mine. All told I've purchased
> 9 phones through them and never paid more than a new
> customer and often less. It looks like you may have been
> discriminated against? They probably still remember when
> you threw the chairs in the lobby.
>
> -Quick
>
>
They will not offer you the same discount on a new phone that they offer
a new customer, until you are 9 months into your contract ... and you
will not be entitled to the new every two discount. I don't know what
you did.

Larry

Janet Wilder

2006-02-07, 11:48 pm

Frankster wrote:

>
> It's stupid to BUY a phone simply because of the NE2.

I never did. Both NE2 phones that I got were months after the 2 year
time period expired. I got new phones both times because the batteries
were no longer holding their charges. It was cheaper to get a new phone
for free than to buy a battery. Verizon never had a problem giving me
new phones. I voluntarily signed up for another 2 year contract with
each new phone.

My last/current phone is a Motorola V276. It has more bells and whistles
than I'll ever use, but it has great reception, an extendable antenna
and it's a tri-mode. These are features that are important to me. The
best part was that it cost me nothing!

J

--
-----------
Janet Wilder
The Road Princess
http://janetwilder.blogspot.com

David S

2006-02-08, 2:48 am

On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 20:10:17 -0600, Janet Wilder <kelliepoodle@yahoo.com>
chose to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and
everything:

>nobody wrote:
>
<stuff>
>
> I'm
>happy with the phones I've gotten and I'm happy with my service.
>
>What am I doing wrong?!!

Disagreeing with the OP.

--
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http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
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Quick

2006-02-08, 5:48 am

Larry wrote:
> Quick wrote:
> They will not offer you the same discount on a new phone
> that they offer a new customer, until you are 9 months
> into your contract ... and you will not be entitled to
> the new every two discount. I don't know what you did.

Ok. I'm stumped. ...and how is this different for the new
customer? They sign a new contract, get a discounted
phone. They won't get a discounted phone either until
near the end of their contract. I just went month to month
again this month. If I sign another contract I'll get the
same discount as a new customer signing the same
contract. I could get another NE2 credit towards the
equipment if I sign a 2 year contract which a new customer
can't get.

That's the deal. It's the same deal for new customers as
old customers.

Ok, ok, I've been avoiding it. It's just too mind boggling.
You're saying that since you're under contract you can't
get *another* phone at discount until your contract is
over or near the end. Did you notice the emphasis on
*ANOTHER*? I'm almost certain that you're going to say
you feel that one should be able to do this any time.
How do you overlap the contracts? Are the ETFs
cumulative? Gee, maybe I could get a discounted phone
every couple of weeks and stock my eBay store. After
about 25 or 30 my commitment goes to zero because
there's no way I'll be around after that...

-Quick

David S

2006-02-09, 2:48 am

On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:01:41 -0700, "Frankster" <Frank@SPAM2TRASH.com> chose
to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

>Rather than address all your comments, some fair, some not, let me say this.
>
>First, the VZW NE2 is now $50. It is no longer $100.

Since when??? I don't have the paperwork handy, but I'm pretty sure I got
$100 off my new E815 in November. I know it was free and wouldn't have been
without the NE2.

--
David Streeter, "a guy's guy" -- Dave Barry
http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
"Mel begged and pleaded with me to make love to her but I refused ... I
wouldn't have gone near her with a barge pole after the way she betrayed
me." - Jimmy Gulzar, estranged husband of Spice Girl Mel B, telling the Sun
how he was upset that she had to quit breast-feeding their baby after
having breast enhancement surgery against his wishes.

Quick

2006-02-09, 5:48 am

David S wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:01:41 -0700, "Frankster"
> <Frank@SPAM2TRASH.com> chose to add this to the great
> equation of life, the universe, and everything:
>
>
> Since when??? I don't have the paperwork handy, but I'm
> pretty sure I got $100 off my new E815 in November. I
> know it was free and wouldn't have been without the NE2.

Well, as usual Frankster didn't quite get it right... but it
appears they have made a change. Looks like you have
to be at $80/month for the last three months to get $100.
Otherwise $35/month to get $50. From the website:

"You are automatically enrolled in our New Every Two
program when you sign up for a two-year agreement
on a calling plan with a monthly access of $34.99 or
higher. If you maintain service on a calling plan of
$34.99 or higher and fulfill your two-year term, you will
qualify for a free phone. If your calling plan monthly
access is $79.99 or higher for the entire three months
prior to completing your New Every Two phone upgrade,
you will get up to $100.00 toward the purchase of that
phone. If your calling plan monthly access was between
$34.99 and $79.98 at any time during the three months
prior to completing your New Every Two phone upgrade,
you will get up to $50.00 toward the purchase of that
phone. When completing your New Every Two upgrade,
you will need to renew your agreement for another two
years on a calling plan with a monthly access of $34.99
or higher. "

Quick

2006-02-09, 5:48 am

Quick wrote:
> David S wrote:
>
> Well, as usual Frankster didn't quite get it right... but
> it appears they have made a change. Looks like you have
> to be at $80/month for the last three months to get $100.
> Otherwise $35/month to get $50. From the website:
>
> "You are automatically enrolled in our New Every Two
> program when you sign up for a two-year agreement
> on a calling plan with a monthly access of $34.99 or
> higher. If you maintain service on a calling plan of
> $34.99 or higher and fulfill your two-year term, you
> will qualify for a free phone. If your calling plan
> monthly access is $79.99 or higher for the entire three
> months prior to completing your New Every Two phone
> upgrade, you will get up to $100.00 toward the purchase
> of that phone. If your calling plan monthly access was
> between $34.99 and $79.98 at any time during the three
> months prior to completing your New Every Two phone
> upgrade, you will get up to $50.00 toward the purchase
> of that phone. When completing your New Every Two
> upgrade, you will need to renew your agreement for
> another two years on a calling plan with a monthly
> access of $34.99 or higher. "

Yeesh, I just re-read that. What a poorly worded paragraph.

> ...you will qualify for a free phone.

> ...you will get up to $100.00 toward the purchase of
> that phone

> ...you will get up to $50.00 toward the purchase
> of that phone.

I take that to mean that you qualify for a [limited selection]
free phone. Otherwise you get a credit towards the
purchase of any [VZW carried] phone. Who is wording
these things?

-Quick

George

2006-02-09, 5:48 pm

Quick wrote:

> Yeesh, I just re-read that. What a poorly worded paragraph.
>
>
>

Its just usual weasel marketing. The above sentence is the sort of thing
that transfers wealth to lawyers. It wouldn't sound as nice but would be
totally OK if it read "under certain conditions you can qualify for a
free phone or partial credit for the purchase of a new phone"

Using the existing text there is no reason I shouldn't expect a free
700W when my NE2 period is up next month.

>
>
>
>
>
> I take that to mean that you qualify for a [limited selection]
> free phone. Otherwise you get a credit towards the
> purchase of any [VZW carried] phone. Who is wording
> these things?
>
> -Quick
>
>

Frankster

2006-02-09, 5:48 pm

>>> First, the VZW NE2 is now $50. It is no longer $100.

[color=darkred]
> Well, as usual Frankster didn't quite get it right...

> Looks like you have to be at $80/month for the last
> three months to get $100. Otherwise $35/month to
> get $50.

Right.

-Frank

Peter

2006-02-09, 5:48 pm

Quick wrote:
> David S wrote:
>
>
>
> Well, as usual Frankster didn't quite get it right... but it
> appears they have made a change. Looks like you have
> to be at $80/month for the last three months to get $100.
> Otherwise $35/month to get $50. From the website:
>
> "You are automatically enrolled in our New Every Two
> program when you sign up for a two-year agreement
> on a calling plan with a monthly access of $34.99 or
> higher. If you maintain service on a calling plan of
> $34.99 or higher and fulfill your two-year term, you will
> qualify for a free phone. If your calling plan monthly
> access is $79.99 or higher for the entire three months
> prior to completing your New Every Two phone upgrade,
> you will get up to $100.00 toward the purchase of that
> phone. If your calling plan monthly access was between
> $34.99 and $79.98 at any time during the three months
> prior to completing your New Every Two phone upgrade,
> you will get up to $50.00 toward the purchase of that
> phone. When completing your New Every Two upgrade,
> you will need to renew your agreement for another two
> years on a calling plan with a monthly access of $34.99
> or higher. "
>
>
Reading further...

If you enrolled in the program prior to 2/5/06 and continued to meet the
requirements of the program, you will be eligible for a free phone up to
$100, or a credit of up to $100 toward a more expensive phone, when you
become eligible for your next New Every Two upgrade (after which time
you will be enrolled in the $50/$100 New Every Two program described
above). New Every Two discount amounts and calling plan tiers subject to
change at Verizon Wireless’ sole discretion.

Quick

2006-02-09, 5:48 pm

Peter wrote:
> Quick wrote:
> Reading further...
>
> If you enrolled in the program prior to 2/5/06 and
> continued to meet the requirements of the program, you
> will be eligible for a free phone up to $100, or a credit
> of up to $100 toward a more expensive phone, when you
> become eligible for your next New Every Two upgrade
> (after which time you will be enrolled in the $50/$100
> New Every Two program described above). New Every Two
> discount amounts and calling plan tiers subject to change
> at Verizon Wireless’ sole discretion.

Gees, you couldn't wait for the "so this means I can
terminate since they changed the terms of my contract?"
posts. -:)

-Quick

Peter

2006-02-09, 5:48 pm

Quick wrote:
> Peter wrote:
>
>
>
> Gees, you couldn't wait for the "so this means I can
> terminate since they changed the terms of my contract?"
> posts. -:)
>
> -Quick
>
>
I would have, but then I'd only have to point out that vzw DIDN'T change
the terms of their contract. Where will it end?

Richard Blood

2006-02-09, 5:48 pm

NE2 *is* now only $50 if your monthly account fee is less than $79.99. It
it's more, the NE2 remains $100. If you're already eligible, and your
monthly plan fee is less than $79.99, you'll get one last $100 credit toward
a new phone, thereafter, it'll be only $50.

Richard Blood

"David S" < dwstreeter@spamisnau
ghty.att.net> wrote in message
news:ffmlu1l775is9bu
ho0dcakg05285mgdai7@
4ax.com...
> On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:01:41 -0700, "Frankster" <Frank@SPAM2TRASH.com>
> chose
> to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
>
>
> Since when??? I don't have the paperwork handy, but I'm pretty sure I got
> $100 off my new E815 in November. I know it was free and wouldn't have
> been
> without the NE2.
>
> --
> David Streeter, "a guy's guy" -- Dave Barry
> http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
> Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
> Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
> "Mel begged and pleaded with me to make love to her but I refused ... I
> wouldn't have gone near her with a barge pole after the way she betrayed
> me." - Jimmy Gulzar, estranged husband of Spice Girl Mel B, telling the
> Sun
> how he was upset that she had to quit breast-feeding their baby after
> having breast enhancement surgery against his wishes.
>

Janet Wilder

2006-02-10, 5:48 pm

David S wrote:

> On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:01:41 -0700, "Frankster" <Frank@SPAM2TRASH.com> chose
> to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
>
>
>
>
> Since when??? I don't have the paperwork handy, but I'm pretty sure I got
> $100 off my new E815 in November. I know it was free and wouldn't have been
> without the NE2.
>
Mine was $100. We got our phone in December

--
-----------
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The Road Princess
http://janetwilder.blogspot.com

Frankster

2006-02-10, 5:48 pm

> Mine was $100. We got our phone in December

All this talk about how "I got my $100 off when I bought mine" stuff is just
stuff. The effective date of the new criteria is February 5th, 2006.

-Frank

David S

2006-02-10, 11:48 pm

On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 13:15:52 -0500, Peter <peter@usadatanet.net> chose to
add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

>Reading further...
>
>If you enrolled in the program prior to 2/5/06 and continued to meet the
>requirements of the program, you will be eligible for a free phone up to
>$100, or a credit of up to $100 toward a more expensive phone, when you
>become eligible for your next New Every Two upgrade (after which time
>you will be enrolled in the $50/$100 New Every Two program described
>above). New Every Two discount amounts and calling plan tiers subject to
>change at Verizon Wireless’ sole discretion.

So the next phone I get, in late 2007, will still be $100 off.

--
David Streeter, "a guy's guy" -- Dave Barry
http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
"No sane person in the country likes the war in Vietnam, and neither does
President Johnson." - Vice President Hubert Humphrey

Andy S

2006-02-10, 11:48 pm

>> "nobody" <me@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>
>
>"Frankster" <Frank@SPAM2TRASH.com> wrote in message
> news:X_6dneEutdPqT3X
enZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@gi
ganews.com...
> Rather than address all your comments, some fair, some not, let me say
> this.
>
> First, the VZW NE2 is now $50. It is no longer $100.
I'll get the $100.00 when I am eligible again in 2007. I am Grandfathered
The $50 NE2 for rate plans of $39.99 is for contracts signed on or AFTER 01
Feb 06
The $100 NE2 for rate plans of $50 or higher as of 01 Feb 06

--
Andrew D. Sisson
LG VX8100
VZW<BAM<FRONTIER CELLULAR<ROCHESTER TEL. MOBILE
SID 154 EV-DO PRL 50463
SINCE APRIL 1993

>
> -Frank
>

Andy S

2006-02-11, 2:48 am

>> On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 13:15:52 -0500, Peter <peter@usadatanet.net> chose to
>"David S" < dwstreeter@spamisnau
ghty.att.net> wrote in message
> news:189qu19q8j8697m
54qfpqc9g161kj1suv1@
4ax.com...
> So the next phone I get, in late 2007, will still be $100 off.
>
> --
> David Streeter, "a guy's guy" -- Dave Barry
> http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
> Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
> Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
> "No sane person in the country likes the war in Vietnam, and neither does
> President Johnson." - Vice President Hubert Humphrey
>
Are you asking a rhetorical question here, Mr. Streeter, or are you being
serious?
You'll get the $100 if you are eligible for it.

I will be in October 2007.
--
Andrew D. Sisson
LG VX8100
VZW<BAM<FRONTIER CELLULAR<ROCHESTER TEL. MOBILE
SID 154 EV-DO PRL 50463
SINCE APRIL 1993

Andy S

2006-02-11, 2:48 am

Edited to show Frankster's responded to author
>"Frankster" <Frank@SPAM2TRASH.com> wrote in message
> news:nvydndu1Pr6TMnH
eRVn-qQ@giganews.com...
>
> All this talk about how "I got my $100 off when I bought mine" stuff is
> just stuff. The effective date of the new criteria is February 5th, 2006.
>
> -Frank
>
For NEW customers who sign a two year contract.
If you were eligible BEFORE the new NE2 date
of 05Feb06, you'll get ONE last NE2 credit of $100.
After that, it's$50 or $100, depending on your price plan.
--
Andrew D. Sisson
LG VX8100
VZW<BAM<FRONTIER CELLULAR<ROCHESTER TEL. MOBILE
SID 154 EV-DO PRL 50463
SINCE APRIL 1993

Frankster

2006-02-11, 2:48 am

"Andy S" < adsisson@NOSPAMroche
ster.rr.com> wrote in message
news:W7dHf.2462$z%5.2418@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> Edited to show Frankster's responded to author
> For NEW customers who sign a two year contract.
> If you were eligible BEFORE the new NE2 date
> of 05Feb06, you'll get ONE last NE2 credit of $100.
> After that, it's$50 or $100, depending on your price plan.
> --
> Andrew D. Sisson
> LG VX8100
> VZW<BAM<FRONTIER CELLULAR<ROCHESTER TEL. MOBILE
> SID 154 EV-DO PRL 50463
> SINCE APRIL 1993

Geeze, yes. Duh. That IS the criteria!

-Frank

Frankster

2006-02-11, 2:48 am

> I'll get the $100.00 when I am eligible again in 2007.

I am very happy for you Andy S.

-Frank

David S

2006-02-11, 5:48 am

On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:19:40 -0700, "Frankster" <Frank@SPAM2TRASH.com>
chose to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and
everything:

>
>All this talk about how "I got my $100 off when I bought mine" stuff is just
>stuff. The effective date of the new criteria is February 5th, 2006.

If you had said that in the first place, we wouldn't have bothered with the
"stuff."

--
David Streeter, "a guy's guy" -- Dave Barry
http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
"Statistics show that teen pregnancy drops off significantly after age 25."
- Mary Anne Tebedo, Republican state senator from Colorado Springs

Frankster

2006-02-11, 5:48 pm

>>All this talk about how "I got my $100 off when I bought mine" stuff is
>
> If you had said that in the first place, we wouldn't have bothered with
> the
> "stuff."

Yeah, I suppose.

Actually the amount was only secondary to my original post. Whether $50 or
$100 over a two year frame, considering all the accessories many people buy
for their phones, such as multiple extra-life batteries, car chargers,
cases, USB cables, memory cards if applicable, external antennas (in my
case) and more... the $50 or $100 discount spread over two years becomes
sorta moot, in my view. Yeah, know, better than nuttin'. But not worth
making any real decisions about.

-Frank

Eric

2006-02-11, 5:48 pm

> Hint to cell carriers: Provide great service at decent prices, forget
> the contracts, and customers will still beat a path to your door.

Well, from what I can tell, most carriers already have the customers
beating a path to their doors. VZ has a waiting list every time I go to
one of their stores (although evesdropping reveals about 10% of those
people are complaining about something and getting "educated" by the
sales rep).

The problem is that for all the talk of competition, the cell phone
providers are the equivalent of the "big 3" auto makers in the '70's
(hey- big 3 of the information age!). People who owned, say, german
cars in the 1970s were considered crazy hippies or intelectuals. Most
people were conditioned to just take it that a car was worthless after
3 years or 50K miles and rusted out at the first sign of salt.
Meanwile, there are still VWs and BMWs on the road from that era...
drivers, I mean, being run every day.

Where the analogy falls apart is that the cell phone companies are
government licensed and have a monolopy on their spectrum space. They
are suposed to be serving the public interest, and the deals the FCC
draws up says things like "provide reasonble access" and "cannot
discriminate based on race, color, creed, etc." but doesn't say a word
about requirements for handsets (other than the AMPS specifications and
interference with other spectrum users), or contracts. Because the FCC
doesn't monitor metrics like fairness of phone upgrade policies or
length of contract for use, when deciding if the company should have
to forfit their spectrum (they did essentially buy it, and they are
providing a service to the general public), there is no insentive for a
cell phone company to change.

Hopefully there will be a disruptive technology such as WiMAX in the
pipeline that will offer an alternative, but I doubt that it will go
anywere for another 5 years. I could see an entity like a cable company
getting WiMAX "towers" all over town to get wireless phone service
going, but I doubt it will go anywhere

Justin

2006-02-11, 5:48 pm

Frankster wrote on [Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:14:38 - 0700]:
>
> Yeah, I suppose.
>
> Actually the amount was only secondary to my original post. Whether $50 or
> $100 over a two year frame, considering all the accessories many people buy
> for their phones, such as multiple extra-life batteries, car chargers,
> cases, USB cables, memory cards if applicable, external antennas (in my
> case) and more... the $50 or $100 discount spread over two years becomes
> sorta moot, in my view. Yeah, know, better than nuttin'. But not worth
> making any real decisions about.

Huh, I don't buy any accessories except the occasional wired headset
that I use with my landline too.

Jeremy

2006-02-11, 11:48 pm

David S

2006-02-12, 11:48 pm

On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 03:42:23 GMT, "Andy S"
< adsisson@NOSPAMroche
ster.rr.com> chose to add this to the great equation
of life, the universe, and everything:

>Are you asking a rhetorical question here, Mr. Streeter, or are you being
>serious?
>You'll get the $100 if you are eligible for it.
>
>I will be in October 2007.

I was stating a reiteration (and thereby inviting correction if I was
wrong) of the fact as I currently understand it that, since I recently
began a new 2-year contract under the old rules, those rules will still
apply to me at the end of said contract.

--
David Streeter, "a guy's guy" -- Dave Barry
http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
Remove the naughty bit from my address to reply
Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
"Any veggie that works as hard to be born as asparagus ought to be left
alone to die in peace." - Steve Bartman in alt.books.tom-clancy

Andy S

2006-02-12, 11:48 pm

>>>"David S" < dwstreeter@spamisnau
ghty.att.net> wrote in message
>
>"David S" < dwstreeter@spamisnau
ghty.att.net> wrote in message
> news:j7kvu1t8qoqp0h0
11uahu11g8sdv7hg1di@
4ax.com...

> I was stating a reiteration (and thereby inviting correction if I was
> wrong) of the fact as I currently understand it that, since I recently
> began a new 2-year contract under the old rules, those rules will still
> apply to me at the end of said contract.
>
> --
> David Streeter, "a guy's guy" -- Dave Barry
>
Yeah, as I understand it, if we use our NE2 BEFORE the new rules went in to
effect, we'll
get the $100. After that it'll be $50 or $100 if you have a qualifying
plan.

--
Andrew D Sisson

Ben Skversky

2006-02-18, 2:48 am

I agree.

"Jeremy" <jeremy@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:E%tHf.1693$7C3.676@trnddc08...
> "nobody" <me@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:060220061738322
015%me@nowhere.com...
>
> So you want a subsidized phone, and Verizon passed on it, and that makes
> them bad?
>
> Phones are readily available from numerous sources. And their prices are
> often less than one would pay on a partially-subsidized phone from the
> wireless carrier.
>
> I think you're overreacting.
>

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