Verizon wireless - phones for adults, not teens

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phones for adults, not teens

S.F. dude

2006-02-10, 5:48 pm

I am looking to upgrade my phone but am having trouble deciding on which phone to get. I
would like to get the Treo650 because I currently carry a PDA and my phone. Would love an all in
one unit. At this time I have no use for a data plan. Verizon has insisted that to get the Treo I
need a data plan because the Treo connect to the Internet all the time without my asking or
permission and would charge you for that unauthorized usage. So it seems like I would be charge for
data even if I don't intentional use data. (Using the charge per kilobyte plan)

I then ask about their data plans. It seems you have to leave your computers on and the phone syncs
with your computer. I have several email accounts and would want it to check a pop3 account, not my
computer. Besides I don't want to install another program on my computer that I don't trust, and I
am sure there is no Linux version of the software in the first place.

Although I would like a PDA phone, that seems out of the question with Verizon now. The rest of the
phone choices seem to "come in like really cool colors and stuff and you can like text message you
like friends and stuff" but Verizon doesn't seem to carry phones made for adults.

Does Verizon carry a decent phone for adults that has room for business contacts, and places to
store files, even if it is text files of information I would need?

-W

Jeb Hoge

2006-02-10, 5:48 pm

I like the idea of convergence devices too, but you've hit on the
biggest problem with them, the insistence that they be paired with
certain types of data plans and so forth. I came to the decision that
the phone + PDA combo is better overall simply because it provides so
much more flexibility of usage over, say, a Treo. I've got a Moto E815
that I'm really quite pleased with, even with the crippled BT functions
(I'd get them enabled but I don't want to spring for data cables and go
through the rigamarole right now). I know that they market this phone
as a multimedia wonder, but the core phone performance is strong and it
has excellent voice command functionality. You can pair it up with a
Bluetooth earpiece and use voice dialing while keeping your hands free
for PDA manipulation...I've done that a few times, it works out just
fine.

alk

2006-02-10, 5:48 pm

I understand what youre saying.. i was in the same situation.. i did
get the treo thought.. i got it without a plan and then it took me a
while to realize that i was getting charged all these fees for not
using it..
the way i got around it.. is this.. i simply DO NOT use picture
messaging.. (even thought i have it in my plan) it seems that text
messaging does NOT make phone connect and use up kilobytes. but picture
messaging does.. so that solved my problem...
but all in all verizon data plans sucks.. it's better to go with
someone also for data plan...

Isaiah Beard

2006-02-10, 5:48 pm

S.F. dude wrote:
> I am looking to upgrade my phone but am having trouble deciding on which phone to get. I
> would like to get the Treo650 because I currently carry a PDA and my phone. Would love an all in
> one unit. At this time I have no use for a data plan. Verizon has insisted that to get the Treo I
> need a data plan because the Treo connect to the Internet all the time without my asking or
> permission and would charge you for that unauthorized usage. So it seems like I would be charge for
> data even if I don't intentional use data. (Using the charge per kilobyte plan)

While it's probable that you could disable the connectivity by deleting
the DUN profile in the Treo for internet connectivity, doing so would
probably cripple about 85% of the phone's functionality. Aside from the
very basics (calendar, contacts list, to-do list, which just about every
phone does nowadays), most of the phone's apps are connectivity-intensive.

> I then ask about their data plans. It seems you have to leave your computers on and the phone syncs
> with your computer. I have several email accounts and would want it to check a pop3 account, not my
> computer.

Nope, not true. There are SOME push applications that require this, but
there's plenty of Palm-based apps (SnapperMail comes to mind, and I
believe the phone ships with VersaMail) that will login to your POP or
IMAP account directly and pull the messages off the server, without the
intervention of your desktop computer.

The Treo, like all PDAs, IS designed to sync up with your desktop
computer occasionally, but that doesn't require your desktop to always
be on. And the Treo 650 can work nicely without having to sync to a
desktop at all... it's not ideal, but it's possible.

> Besides I don't want to install another program on my computer that I don't trust,

This raises a curious issue: what criteria do you have to establish a
trust relationship with the software you install on your computer? I
can understand being wary of some company you don't know saying "HEY!
Download this free software that attaches to your desktop and checks all
your mail!" but, on the other hand, this isn't a random company.
Evidently you know this vendor well enough to contemplate plunking down
a few hundred dollars to said company to buy a rather sophisticated
product, for which you intend to entrust with checking your e-mail.

I suppose my question is: why do you blindly trust the software in the
PDA, but allow the paranoia level to skyrocket when mention is made of
any desktop software associated WITH the PDA?

> Although I would like a PDA phone, that seems out of the question with Verizon now. The rest of the
> phone choices seem to "come in like really cool colors and stuff and you can like text message you
> like friends and stuff" but Verizon doesn't seem to carry phones made for adults.

Have you considered a Blackberry?

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go4telfair@gmail.com

2006-02-10, 11:48 pm

I currently own a treo and absolutely love it. I have not connected to
get my mail, as I don't want to pay the ridiculous fee ($45) per month
to have unlimited data access. Maybe down the road, but I primarily
use the calendar and contacts features of the Treo. I have not found,
however, that picture messaging costs me data. However, I have not
closely paid attention to my bill, so there could be some small charge
for data. I think that the Treo and the Blackberry are the closest
thing to "adult" or professional phones that are available on the
market. However, you must keep in mind that RIM is in the middle (and
about to lose) a serious anti-trust and copyright infringement lawsuit
with another company. They have announced a "work-around" but would
you really trust that "work-around"? I know I wouldn't. But I like my
Treo and I think it works quite well.

Michael Wise

2006-02-10, 11:48 pm

In article <1139586977.828421.312280@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
"Jeb Hoge" <jeb.hoge@gmail.com> wrote:

> I like the idea of convergence devices too, but you've hit on the
> biggest problem with them, the insistence that they be paired with
> certain types of data plans and so forth.

Hence why those of us with active Kyocera 7135's are holding onto them
for dear life: you don't need a data plan with them (you can use the QNC
method of getting the device net connected...and then you're net
connected. It ain't fast, but its fine for email.

--Mike

S.F. dude

2006-02-10, 11:48 pm

Some time around Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:11:27 -0500 (give or take a month), someone who says they are
named Isaiah Beard < sacredpoet@sacredpoe
t.com> fired up the tubes on the teletype and rambled on
about :

>I suppose my question is: why do you blindly trust the software in the
>PDA, but allow the paranoia level to skyrocket when mention is made of
>any desktop software associated WITH the PDA?

There are several reasons.
I will be getting away from Windows products as I move to Linux and most of the software is for
Windows. It is better to make sure I can use the phone without being tied to Windows. This is the
same reason I would like the Treo 700P over the 700W.

I do not use Outlook, or Outlook Express as my email client, see above.

I am not interested in keeping my computers on.

I have several email accounts and feel connecting to a pop3 server makes more sense then having my
email client forward the email to my phone. If the phone email client gets just the headers (unless
I request the body) and leaves the messages on the server that would be best for my needs.

>Have you considered a Blackberry?

I have looked into them, I like the Treo style over the Blackberry. My main concern of the
Blackberry was their current legal problems which might be resolved soon.

-W

S.F. dude

2006-02-10, 11:48 pm

I will look into the Motorola E815. I have had two Motorola phones and like the menu layouts and
the feel of the thing. However the second phone was the 720 and it had a lot of problems. Verizon
recomened the LG4400, which I never liked. I did get the cable and BitPim which made it a little
better. I will say the 4400 was a solid phone for the number of times I dropped it, but don't think
I would buy another LG phone.

I have no use for text or picture messaging, just looking for an adults phone.

Thank you.

Some time around 10 Feb 2006 07:56:17 -0800 (give or take a month), someone who says they are named
"Jeb Hoge" <jeb.hoge@gmail.com> fired up the tubes on the teletype and rambled on about :

>I like the idea of convergence devices too, but you've hit on the
>biggest problem with them, the insistence that they be paired with
>certain types of data plans and so forth. I came to the decision that
>the phone + PDA combo is better overall simply because it provides so
>much more flexibility of usage over, say, a Treo. I've got a Moto E815

-W

Jeb Hoge

2006-02-11, 5:48 pm

S.F. dude wrote:
> I have no use for text or picture messaging, just looking for an adults phone.

Might as well get over that one, at least the text messaging part...I
doubt there's a phone made that doesn't send/receive SMS. It's such a
fundamentally simple function to incorporate that regardless of whether
you want it or not, you WILL get it. It's just up to you to not use
it. For me, I never figured it'd be worth bothering with until I tried
it, and now it's as natural to use as e-mail.

S.F. dude

2006-02-11, 5:48 pm

I have used it, and was going to set it up so I could get text messages sent when I had server
problems at work. It comes with the phone and that doesn't bother me. But to try to sell me a
phone because of text or picture messaging is useless.

Some time around 11 Feb 2006 10:18:21 -0800 (give or take a month), someone who says they are named
"Jeb Hoge" <jeb.hoge@gmail.com> fired up the tubes on the teletype and rambled on about :

>Might as well get over that one, at least the text messaging part...I
>doubt there's a phone made that doesn't send/receive SMS. It's such a
>fundamentally simple function to incorporate that regardless of whether
>you want it or not, you WILL get it. It's just up to you to not use
>it. For me, I never figured it'd be worth bothering with until I tried
>it, and now it's as natural to use as e-mail.

-W

Isaiah Beard

2006-02-12, 2:48 am

S.F. dude wrote:

>
> I have looked into them, I like the Treo style over the Blackberry. My main concern of the
> Blackberry was their current legal problems which might be resolved soon.

Considering that NTP's newly-bought subsidiary, Visto, is now suing just
about all the other push-based alternatives (including Good and
Microsoft) for patent infringement, I've decided it's not worth worrying
about because all of the available solutions have the same associated
risk involved. And it appears the RIM has gone public with the
workaround, so I'm more comfortable that they'll at least to be able to
continue humming along while everyone else is still resolving their
legal issues.

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K2NNJ

2006-02-13, 11:48 pm

www.nextel.com

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> S.F. dude wrote:
>
>
>
> Considering that NTP's newly-bought subsidiary, Visto, is now suing just
> about all the other push-based alternatives (including Good and Microsoft)
> for patent infringement, I've decided it's not worth worrying about
> because all of the available solutions have the same associated risk
> involved. And it appears the RIM has gone public with the workaround, so
> I'm more comfortable that they'll at least to be able to continue humming
> along while everyone else is still resolving their legal issues.
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Isaiah Beard

2006-02-14, 5:48 pm

K2NNJ wrote:
> www.nextel.com

I need push e-mail, not push-to-talk.

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Lou@UnReal.invalid

2006-02-14, 5:48 pm

Isaiah Beard wrote:

> K2NNJ wrote:
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> I need push e-mail, not push-to-talk.
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Isn't that a function of the service - i.e. blackbery?

Isaiah Beard

2006-02-15, 5:48 pm

Lou@UnReal.invalid wrote:
> Isaiah Beard wrote:
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> Isn't that a function of the service - i.e. blackbery?

Not push-to-talk.

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