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non-VZW phones on VZW
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You used to be able to activate just about any CDMA phone on VZW, just
as long as it is unlocked and has e911 capability.
It has been a while since I have activated a non-VZW phone on my
account... can you still do so, or have they since locked their system
to VZW-only ESNs, like Sprint?
tks.
- brian
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| Andy S 2006-02-20, 11:48 pm |
| >"brian" <bdoreste_news@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> You used to be able to activate just about any CDMA phone on VZW, just
> as long as it is unlocked and has e911 capability.
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Verizon phones are not locked. CDMA phones are not normally locked
> It has been a while since I have activated a non-VZW phone on my
> account... can you still do so, or have they since locked their system
> to VZW-only ESNs, like Sprint?
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No you can not use a non-VZW phone on VZW.
You can buy a VZW phone off of E-Bay and as long
as the ESN is good, you can use it
on VZW
> tks.
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> - brian
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SID 154 EV-DO PRL 50463
SINCE APRIL 1993
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| brian 2006-02-20, 11:48 pm |
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Andy S wrote:
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> Verizon phones are not locked. CDMA phones are not normally locked
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> No you can not use a non-VZW phone on VZW.
> You can buy a VZW phone off of E-Bay and as long
> as the ESN is good, you can use it
> on VZW
umm... so maybe that is why my page at
http://www.bridog.net/cellular/msl.txt hasn't been getting as many hits
lately... ;-)
tks.
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| Robert 2006-02-20, 11:48 pm |
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> No you can not use a non-VZW phone on VZW.
> You can buy a VZW phone off of E-Bay and as long
> as the ESN is good, you can use it
> on VZW
I know several who have activated Alltel phones with Verizon in the last
1-2 months
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| Richard Ness 2006-02-20, 11:48 pm |
| This is not correct info.
VZW will gladly activate phones other than theirs.
Done it multiple times.
"Andy S" < adsisson@NOSPAMroche
ster.rr.com> wrote in message news:iSrKf.15498$z%5.13300@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
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> No you can not use a non-VZW phone on VZW.
> You can buy a VZW phone off of E-Bay and as long
> as the ESN is good, you can use it
> on VZW
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| Anon E. Mouse 2006-02-21, 5:48 am |
| On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:54:29 -0800, "Richard Ness"
<richard.no@damnspam.nessnet.com> wrote:
>This is not correct info.
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>VZW will gladly activate phones other than theirs.
>Done it multiple times.
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>"Andy S" < adsisson@NOSPAMroche
ster.rr.com> wrote in message news:iSrKf.15498$z%5.13300@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
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So, does this mean that as long as you do not buy your phone from
Verizon that it is not necessary for you to accept the phone-crippling
that Verizon does? Or does Verizon cripple your phone when you bring
it in to activate it?
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| "Anon E. Mouse" wrote:
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> On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:54:29 -0800, "Richard Ness"
> <richard.no@damnspam.nessnet.com> wrote:
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> So, does this mean that as long as you do not buy your phone from
> Verizon that it is not necessary for you to accept the phone-crippling
> that Verizon does? Or does Verizon cripple your phone when you bring
> it in to activate it?
And what "crippling" would that be?
Notan
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| Anon E. Mouse 2006-02-21, 5:48 pm |
| On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:15:41 -0700, Notan
<notan@ddress.thatcanbespammed> wrote:
>"Anon E. Mouse" wrote:
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>And what "crippling" would that be?
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>Notan
That would be:
1) Many bluetooth functions. So you cannot transfer photos,
ringtones or phone numbers between your PC and phone. This has caused
many vehicles with Bluetooth support (such as the Prius, Acura TL, and
BMW) to malfunction.
2) Transfer ability from the transflash card (if your phone has one;
most Verizon phones do not) to the phone for photos, ringtones, etc.
3) Verizon removes MP3 playback functionality from phones. See:
http://news.techdirt.com/news/wireless/article/6305
4) Basic abilities to transfer anything besides contacts between your
phone and PC. When you get the Motorola Phone Tools, if you are on
Verizon, you notice that all multimedia functionality is unavailable.
Of course, they don't advertise this. So you have to pay money to
Verizon to be able to download your own pics from your own phone.
etc., etc., etc.
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| "Anon E. Mouse" wrote:
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> <snip>
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> That would be:
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> 1) Many bluetooth functions. So you cannot transfer photos,
> ringtones or phone numbers between your PC and phone. This has caused
> many vehicles with Bluetooth support (such as the Prius, Acura TL, and
> BMW) to malfunction.
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> 2) Transfer ability from the transflash card (if your phone has one;
> most Verizon phones do not) to the phone for photos, ringtones, etc.
>
> 3) Verizon removes MP3 playback functionality from phones. See:
> http://news.techdirt.com/news/wireless/article/6305
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> 4) Basic abilities to transfer anything besides contacts between your
> phone and PC. When you get the Motorola Phone Tools, if you are on
> Verizon, you notice that all multimedia functionality is unavailable.
> Of course, they don't advertise this. So you have to pay money to
> Verizon to be able to download your own pics from your own phone.
I'd imagine that if you activated the phone online, or over the phone,
Verizon would have no way of altering the phone's functions.
On the other hand, bring it to a store, and you're at Verizon's mercy.
Notan
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| Notan wrote:
> "Anon E. Mouse" wrote:
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> I'd imagine that if you activated the phone online, or
> over the phone, Verizon would have no way of altering the
> phone's functions.
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> On the other hand, bring it to a store, and you're at
> Verizon's mercy.
No. They are not going to flash your phone without your
permission or request. What a non-VZW purchased phone
*may* lead to in the future is support issues. Although they
have fully supported non-VZW phones once activated so far
they might not do so in the future. I guess it's sort of implicit
anyway. "I'm having trouble getting my wall paper from my
PC to my phone like I've done in the past.", "Sorry, we don't
support that". VZW is very liberal in that respect. They lose
money on subsidized phones. They have an ETF to ensure
service to recoup some of that. I believe some other carriers
do not have an ETF but will only activate phones purchased
from them and lock their phones to dissuade their being used
on other carriers networks.
-Quick
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| Robert 2006-02-21, 11:48 pm |
| On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:45:26 GMT, Anon E. Mouse <anonymous@anon.com>
wrote:
>So, does this mean that as long as you do not buy your phone from
>Verizon that it is not necessary for you to accept the phone-crippling
>that Verizon does? Or does Verizon cripple your phone when you bring
>it in to activate it?
Yes and no. In my experience it's somewhat hit and miss - I've heard
of a lot of problem activating Sprint phones on VZW and vice versa.
I've heard more successes with users getting Alltel, US Cellular,
Telus, and Bell Mobility phones activated on VZW.
Also, I've personally activated the cheap pre-pay phones on my regular
VZW plan without any problems - all through the web, no talking to
customer service at all.
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| Robert 2006-02-21, 11:48 pm |
| On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:45:26 GMT, Anon E. Mouse <anonymous@anon.com>
wrote:
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>So, does this mean that as long as you do not buy your phone from
>Verizon that it is not necessary for you to accept the phone-crippling
>that Verizon does? Or does Verizon cripple your phone when you bring
>it in to activate it?
Also, there are planety of flashes for the 710, 815 and Razr out there
(firmware from the other carriers) that will bring your phone to a
fully functional state on VZW's network.
I use a Razr V3c with the Alltel flash on it - the standard Moto
interface with all working functions - GIN, MMS, Text messaging, 1XRTT
DUN, hacked to allow non-VZW PixPlace servers (free). Vcast is the
only holdout and there will probably be a solution for that soon.
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| Robert 2006-02-21, 11:48 pm |
| On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:27:15 GMT, "Quick"
<quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
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>No. They are not going to flash your phone without your
>permission or request. What a non-VZW purchased phone
>*may* lead to in the future is support issues. Although they
>have fully supported non-VZW phones once activated so far
>they might not do so in the future. I guess it's sort of implicit
>anyway. "I'm having trouble getting my wall paper from my
>PC to my phone like I've done in the past.", "Sorry, we don't
>support that". VZW is very liberal in that respect. They lose
>money on subsidized phones. They have an ETF to ensure
>service to recoup some of that. I believe some other carriers
>do not have an ETF but will only activate phones purchased
>from them and lock their phones to dissuade their being used
>on other carriers networks.
>
>-Quick
>
True - I acknowledge that if I call support I will have to fumble
around to get the info they want (interfaces being different).
However, I woudl probably flash back to VZW firmware, get everything
working and then back to Alltel.
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| Andy S 2006-02-21, 11:48 pm |
| >>>>"Andy S" < adsisson@NOSPAMroche
ster.rr.com> wrote in message
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>"Anon E. Mouse" <anonymous@anon.com> wrote in message
> news:ld9mv1da3gheb0k
kic4v5rkacii5pfngkq@
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> That would be:
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> 1) Many bluetooth functions. So you cannot transfer photos,
> ringtones or phone numbers between your PC and phone. This has caused
> many vehicles with Bluetooth support (such as the Prius, Acura TL, and
> BMW) to malfunction.
>
OBEX is the ONLY one disabled.
And there are profiles that allow conection between
the cars mentioned and BT capable phones.
> 2) Transfer ability from the transflash card (if your phone has one;
> most Verizon phones do not) to the phone for photos, ringtones, etc.
>
Most but not all don't. Mine does. The E815 does. The "v" (VX9800) does
> 3) Verizon removes MP3 playback functionality from phones. See:
> http://news.techdirt.com/news/wireless/article/6305
>
That'd be the VX8100. And _NO_ It has NOT been disabled. You just have to
know how to RE-enable it.
> 4) Basic abilities to transfer anything besides contacts between your
> phone and PC. When you get the Motorola Phone Tools, if you are on
> Verizon, you notice that all multimedia functionality is unavailable.
> Of course, they don't advertise this. So you have to pay money to
> Verizon to be able to download your own pics from your own phone.
>
With VCast MOD you can transfer music.
> etc., etc., etc.
>
--
Andrew D. Sisson
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| Richard Ness 2006-02-22, 2:48 am |
| Is that Alltell/V3c HoFo thread the longest ever?
Last I looked, it was up to 90+ pages...
I just wish someone could just figure out how to kill
that $#@! brew app that actually is that gawd awful VZW interface.
I miss the old Moto interface (I had on my 815)
I was tempted to flash, but the not being able to update the PRL
without screwing things up kept me from doing it.
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> I use a Razr V3c with the Alltel flash on it - the standard Moto
> interface with all working functions - GIN, MMS, Text messaging, 1XRTT
> DUN, hacked to allow non-VZW PixPlace servers (free). Vcast is the
> only holdout and there will probably be a solution for that soon.
>
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| Robert 2006-02-22, 5:48 pm |
| On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:53:34 -0800, "Richard Ness"
<richard.no@damnspam.nessnet.com> wrote:
>Is that Alltell/V3c HoFo thread the longest ever?
>Last I looked, it was up to 90+ pages...
>
Yes - the longest. I wrote that first write-up on flashing but the
one that's gathered in the wiki is great - shouldbe all anyone needs.
From the getgo, if they could have removed the BREW app from running
I think everything would have been fixed, especially with luetooth
enabled.
I do miss a couple of things from the VZW firmware - the recurring
alarms was one of them, althoguh it didn't seem like it was alwasy
reliable - at least went off on a Saturday when it shouldn't.
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| Anon E. Mouse 2006-02-22, 5:48 pm |
| On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 02:19:40 GMT, "Andy S"
< adsisson@NOSPAMroche
ster.rr.com> wrote:
>OBEX is the ONLY one disabled.
>And there are profiles that allow conection between
>the cars mentioned and BT capable phones.
>
I have read that other Bluetooth profiles are deactivated. These
include OPP (Object Push Profile), and SPP (Serial Port Profile).
>Most but not all don't. Mine does. The E815 does. The "v" (VX9800) does
>
Just rumor but I have also read (from leaked sources) where the new
versions of Verizon firmware cripple this in the future. Considering
Verizon's business model, this wouldn't surprise me. Before you act
confused and ask "what business model?", you can check into the
class-action lawsuit that Verizon recently lost -
http://www.verizonwireless.com/pdfs...tice_9-2-05.pdf
What they had been doing when a new purchaser of the expensive v170
phone called tech support to ask about lack of functionality, they
would make the user go through a routine of testing and resetting the
phone before they would refer them to Motorola tech support. When the
user called Motorola tech support, they were told that the features
would be enabled soon. Of course, this was a lie. The only logical
reason for this to have happened, in my opinion, was to get the user
out of their 15 day trial period so they could no longer return the
phone.
>That'd be the VX8100. And _NO_ It has NOT been disabled. You just have to
>know how to RE-enable it.
If it has not been disabled, why would you have to "RE-enable it"?
>
>With VCast MOD you can transfer music.
Of course, by paying Verizon extra.
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