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Treo 650 vs Treo 700p
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| Poztron 2006-06-08, 2:48 am |
| My wife's and my 2-year contract is nearly up and it is time to
consider upgrading our phones. Moving from Samsung photo phones to
Treos would allow us to combine our Palm PDAs and cell phones into
single devices (one for each of us).
Our choice: Treo 650 (at $249 discounted) or Treo 700p (at $399
discounted). We would prefer to continue to use the Palm OS that we
are used to from our Palm PDAs. My impression is that the Treo 650 from
Verizon uses Windows Mobile, while the Treo 700p uses Palm OS. This
would be a vote in favor of the 700p. (I've used a Mac for 20 years and
would really prefer to avoid Windows Mobile, if at all possible.)
The VerizonWireless site doesn't exactly fill you in on every aspect of
these phones. Are there any arguments in favor of one or the other? Is
the 650 available from Verizon with Palm OS instead of Windows Mobile?
Any info would be appreciated.
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| Michael Wise 2006-06-08, 5:48 am |
| In article < 070620062239098236%s
ample@nowhere.org>,
Poztron <sample@nowhere.org> wrote:
> My wife's and my 2-year contract is nearly up and it is time to
> consider upgrading our phones. Moving from Samsung photo phones to
> Treos would allow us to combine our Palm PDAs and cell phones into
> single devices (one for each of us).
>
> Our choice: Treo 650 (at $249 discounted) or Treo 700p (at $399
> discounted). We would prefer to continue to use the Palm OS that we
> are used to from our Palm PDAs. My impression is that the Treo 650 from
> Verizon uses Windows Mobile, while the Treo 700p uses Palm OS. This
> would be a vote in favor of the 700p. (I've used a Mac for 20 years and
> would really prefer to avoid Windows Mobile, if at all possible.)
>
> The VerizonWireless site doesn't exactly fill you in on every aspect of
> these phones. Are there any arguments in favor of one or the other? Is
> the 650 available from Verizon with Palm OS instead of Windows Mobile?
>
> Any info would be appreciated.
Both the 650 and 700p use the Palm OS. I just got a 650 three weeks ago
and replaced it with a 700p a few days ago. They're both nice phones.
The 700p has a better camera, more internal memory, and EVDO.
--Mike
I have a near-new 650, if you're interested.
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| asahitoro@nospam.com 2006-06-08, 5:48 pm |
| In article <no-4CEBF1.00214108062006@news.easynews.com>,
Michael Wise <no@no.spam> wrote:
> Both the 650 and 700p use the Palm OS. I just got a 650 three weeks ago
> and replaced it with a 700p a few days ago. They're both nice phones.
> The 700p has a better camera, more internal memory, and EVDO.
>
>
> --Mike
>
> I have a near-new 650, if you're interested.
How good is EVDO? I've been thinking of either a 700p or a Q but the Q
doesn't have wireless broadband. I understand that the EVDO is included
in the voice/unlimited data plans but wireless broadband is an extra
$69.95/mo in addition to the regular plan price? Is this correct? If
EVDO is fast enough for basic web browsing than I'll just stick with
that and get the Q. If wireless broadband is that much better (for the
purpose of the phone), I'll go with a 700p. BTW, I'm coming over from
Cingular and an Audiovox 5600.
Thanks for any advice,
Scott
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| Michael Wise 2006-06-08, 5:48 pm |
| In article <-rOdncIrpfT- jxXZnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d
@giganews.com>,
asahitoro@nospam.com wrote:
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> How good is EVDO? I've been thinking of either a 700p or a Q but the Q
> doesn't have wireless broadband.
VZW's usage of term "wireless broadband" refers to using their cell
phones for data services, so it is synonymous with EVDO.
> I understand that the EVDO is included
> in the voice/unlimited data plans but wireless broadband is an extra
> $69.95/mo in addition to the regular plan price? Is this correct?
Yes, that is correct. Its hard to really put the EVDO through its paces,
because VZW had DUN disabled on all its Treo's (I think its complete
cr*p to cripple a $600 phone such).
The only way to use it as a modem is with hacks and such. I found one
which worked with my 650, but nothing for the 700p yet.
Real world reports show EVDO consistently yielding about 900k of
bandwidth. That's about eight times faster than 1x. I certainly notice
it checks my email and browses web pages much faster. Now if I can
figure out how to use it as a modem with my PowerBook, I'll be very
happy camper.
> If
> EVDO is fast enough for basic web browsing than I'll just stick with
> that and get the Q.
Not only is it fast enough; it is the faster mobile data transport
Verizon, or any other cell carrier in the US, offers.
--Mike
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| RM v2.0 2006-06-08, 5:48 pm |
| ..)
>
> The VerizonWireless site doesn't exactly fill you in on every aspect of
> these phones. Are there any arguments in favor of one or the other? Is
> the 650 available from Verizon with Palm OS instead of Windows Mobile?
>
> Any info would be appreciated.
700p=Palm, 700w= Windows
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| George 2006-06-08, 5:48 pm |
| asahitoro@nospam.com wrote:
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> How good is EVDO? I've been thinking of either a 700p or a Q but the Q
> doesn't have wireless broadband. I understand that the EVDO is included
> in the voice/unlimited data plans but wireless broadband is an extra
> $69.95/mo in addition to the regular plan price? Is this correct? If
> EVDO is fast enough for basic web browsing than I'll just stick with
Those TV ads by the cable companies make it seem that you can't do
anything unless you have an 8 MB connection speed.
I have an office with 9 computers comfortably using a SDSL line that
runs at half the speed of EVDO.
> that and get the Q. If wireless broadband is that much better (for the
> purpose of the phone), I'll go with a 700p. BTW, I'm coming over from
> Cingular and an Audiovox 5600.
>
> Thanks for any advice,
>
> Scott
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| Michael Wise wrote:
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> Both the 650 and 700p use the Palm OS. I just got a 650
> three weeks ago and replaced it with a 700p a few days
> ago. They're both nice phones. The 700p has a better
> camera, more internal memory, and EVDO.
I guess since you didn't have the 650 very long you
didn't have a large array of apps on it? My question
is if the 650 -> 700p is 100% compatible?
I'm still happily using my 7135 but migrating is an
eventuality so I'm trying to figure out the least painful
way to do it. I use a boatload of apps. Many are small
utilities, many are substantial applications. Some are
no longer supported, some have completely different
versions for before and after OS5. There is no doubt
it will take me a very long time to migrate smoothly.
I could get a free 650 but would have to send in the
7135 within 15 days. I'm thinking with the 700 out I
could start looking for a 650 with a broken phone
and working palm to work out the move ahead of
time.
-Quick
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| Michael Wise 2006-06-08, 5:48 pm |
| In article < FqmdnQTnkZoj1hXZnZ2d
neKdnZydnZ2d@adelphi
a.com>,
George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote:
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>
> Those TV ads by the cable companies make it seem that you can't do
> anything unless you have an 8 MB connection speed.
>
> I have an office with 9 computers comfortably using a SDSL line that
> runs at half the speed of EVDO.
I guess it depends what your Internet usage needs are. If email and
casual browsing are the some total, then 400-500k symmetric shared among
nine users might cut it. But when one can get a 6 MB/768k ADSL circuit
for $99/month, it seems rather pointless to spend more for less.
--Mike
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| Michael Wise 2006-06-08, 5:48 pm |
| In article <woYhg.19843$VE1.2123@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>,
"Quick" <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
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> I guess since you didn't have the 650 very long you
> didn't have a large array of apps on it? My question
> is if the 650 -> 700p is 100% compatible?
I did load it out with all the apps I had on my Kyocera 7135, but hard
reset it after ESN switched it for a 700p a few days ago.
>
> I'm still happily using my 7135 but migrating is an
> eventuality so I'm trying to figure out the least painful
> way to do it.
My hand was force. My beloved 7135 apparently popped out of my belt clip
on the subway just over three weeks ago, and I never saw it again.
Fortunately, it was insured...so a $50 deductable got me a brand new
Treo 650. Unfortunately, I knew the 700p was only weeks away at the
time. If I would have lost the 7135 just three weeks after I did, I
would have gotten a new 700p for $50.
Instead, I got the 650 and then turned around and paid $600 for a 700p a
few weeks later (ouch).
> I use a boatload of apps. Many are small
> utilities, many are substantial applications. Some are
> no longer supported, some have completely different
> versions for before and after OS5. There is no doubt
> it will take me a very long time to migrate smoothly.
I haven't had any problems with all the apps I used on my 7135 (and I
used a lot) not working on either the 650 or 700p. The Palm aspect of
the 700p (as well as the 650) is superior (in terms of performance and
graphical representation) to that of the 7135.
The drag, is that I'm now paying $44.95 for an unlimited data
plan...when I did mobile data services on the 7135 just using airtime
minutes. That, and of course not having AMPS. I bought a Motorola v276
as a back-up phone should I foresee heading out to a rural area (v276 is
tri-mode/dual-band)
> I could get a free 650 but would have to send in the
> 7135 within 15 days. I'm thinking with the 700 out I
> could start looking for a 650 with a broken phone
> and working palm to work out the move ahead of
> time.
You could, but I really don't think you're going to have problems using
the Palm apps on your 7135 on a 700p. I certainly haven't.
--Mike
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| George 2006-06-08, 5:48 pm |
| Michael Wise wrote:
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>
>
> I guess it depends what your Internet usage needs are. If email and
> casual browsing are the some total, then 400-500k symmetric shared among
> nine users might cut it. But when one can get a 6 MB/768k ADSL circuit
> for $99/month, it seems rather pointless to spend more for less.
>
>
> --Mike
Actually I pay more than that. It is the only connectivity I can get
because of the distance from the CO.
I have 768/4000 at home and there is actually no noticible difference
compared to the office for web browsing. I have noticed that ~ 150 kb
seems to be OK for browsing. My point was that the current "mine is
bigger than yours" marketing makes slower connection speeds seem
unusable and thus results in questions like "will EVDO be usable for web
browsing?"
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> The only way to use it as a modem is with hacks and such. I found one
> which worked with my 650, but nothing for the 700p yet.
> Now if I can
> figure out how to use it as a modem with my PowerBook, I'll be very
> happy camper.
How about http://mobile-stream.com/usbmodem.html?
This appears to meet your qualifications. BTW, I have the 700W and use
PDAnet (http://www.junefabrics.com/pdanet/index.php ) on my XP notebook --
It works great.
Tuner
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| Michael Wise 2006-06-08, 5:48 pm |
| In article < mNydnYgRQZGkHxXZnZ2d
nUVZ_oKdnZ2d@comcast
.com>,
"Tuner" <Tuner@comcast.net> wrote:
> <Snippage>
>
>
>
> How about http://mobile-stream.com/usbmodem.html?
>
> This appears to meet your qualifications. BTW, I have the 700W and use
> PDAnet (http://www.junefabrics.com/pdanet/index.php ) on my XP notebook --
> It works great.
I used that with my 650, but the current version 1.40 is not compatible
with the 700p when was is using Mac OS X, which is the OS used on every
PowerBook made within the last several years.
They say they will be updating it soon for OS X/700p tandem
compatibility. We shall see.
--Mike
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| Dave Rudisill 2006-06-11, 11:48 pm |
| >Michael Wise <no@no.spam> wrote:
>Real world reports show EVDO consistently yielding about 900k of
>bandwidth. That's about eight times faster than 1x. I certainly notice
>it checks my email and browses web pages much faster. Now if I can
>figure out how to use it as a modem with my PowerBook, I'll be very
>happy camper.
We travel full time, and we have been in a number of EVDO areas in the
last six months. The best download speed I have seen has been in the
600-800 kbps range. My upload speed is usually around 50 kbps. I have
seen a number of reports of folks in the Los Angeles area getting much
better performance. We haven't been there since I got an EVDO phone.
One important caveat is to check whether EVDO is available in the areas
you plan to be. Verizon doesn't publish a national map of their EVDO
coverage, so I cobbled together one and posted it in the Files section
of the CellSatWiFi Yahoo forum:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CellSatWiFi/files/
It is a very low resolution image, but if you look for the purple areas
you will see where it is available.
For much better local coverage maps, look at the Verizon site.
--
Dave
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| Michael Wise 2006-06-11, 11:48 pm |
| In article < 9pno82tneiogghed1bq4
ju4gf0of6em2r7@4ax.com>,
Dave Rudisill <denali@alaska.net> wrote:
>
> We travel full time, and we have been in a number of EVDO areas in the
> last six months. The best download speed I have seen has been in the
> 600-800 kbps range. My upload speed is usually around 50 kbps. I have
> seen a number of reports of folks in the Los Angeles area getting much
> better performance. We haven't been there since I got an EVDO phone.
>
> One important caveat is to check whether EVDO is available in the areas
> you plan to be.
I don't really see that as a caveat. It's not as if one's EVDO-capable
is left in the wind wrt mobile data transport if its in an area without
EVDO coverage. if EVDO is not available, the phone will revert to 1x.
--Mike
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| Dave Rudisill 2006-06-16, 9:56 am |
| >Michael Wise <no@no.spam> wrote:
>In article < 9pno82tneiogghed1bq4
ju4gf0of6em2r7@4ax.com>,
> Dave Rudisill <denali@alaska.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>I don't really see that as a caveat. It's not as if one's EVDO-capable
>is left in the wind wrt mobile data transport if its in an area without
>EVDO coverage. if EVDO is not available, the phone will revert to 1x.
>
>
>
>--Mike
You are absolutely correct, as long as one is in the vast area covered
by 1x service.
--
Dave
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