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QNC won't work any more
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| Grant Edwards 2006-06-20, 10:33 pm |
| I've used QNC in the past, but the last few times I've tried
it, it wouldn't work (once in Chicago, and once in
Minneapolis). The CHAP authentication fails. I'm dialing #777
and using qnc as both username and password.
Has anybody gotten QNC to work recently?
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Grant Edwards
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| Peter Pan 2006-06-20, 10:33 pm |
| Grant Edwards wrote:
> I've used QNC in the past, but the last few times I've tried
> it, it wouldn't work (once in Chicago, and once in
> Minneapolis). The CHAP authentication fails. I'm dialing #777
> and using qnc as both username and password.
>
> Has anybody gotten QNC to work recently?
QNC almost ALWAYS works.. However, the #777 is a special number, only works
100% on a native verizon cell site, bout 60% of the time on extended
network, and about 36% of the time when roaming.. It tells the phone to
connect to the cell sites network rather than call a 10 digit number..
Simple fix, to use QNC, always dial the 10 digit number of your ISP.. May be
long distance, but you get free long distance, so who cares?
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| Grant Edwards 2006-06-21, 4:33 am |
| On 2006-06-21, Peter Pan < PeterPanNOSPAM@NOSPA
MAkamail.com> wrote:
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> QNC almost ALWAYS works.
Gee, thanks. That's helpful, since it's not working for me.
> However, the #777 is a special number, only works 100% on a
> native verizon cell site,
I'm on a native network -- as I was in Chicago when it didn't
work there.
#777 is connecting me to a PPP server.
The CHAP authentication is rejected by the PPP server.
> bout 60% of the time on extended network, and about 36% of the
> time when roaming..
I'm neither on extended nor roaming.
> It tells the phone to connect to the cell sites network rather
> than call a 10 digit number.
Yes, I know.
> Simple fix, to use QNC, always dial the 10 digit number of your ISP.
That doesn't fix QNC, it just makes a modem call to my ISP.
> May be long distance, but you get free long distance, so who cares?
I have a limited amount of dial-in time.
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Grant Edwards
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| Grant Edwards 2006-06-21, 4:33 am |
| On 2006-06-21, Grant Edwards <grante@visi.com> wrote:
> I've used QNC in the past, but the last few times I've tried
> it, it wouldn't work (once in Chicago, and once in
> Minneapolis). The CHAP authentication fails. I'm dialing
> #777 and using qnc as both username and password.
Doh!
I had forgetten to put at$qcmdr=2 and at$qcqnc=1 commands
in my connect script when I had to re-configure all of my PPP
connections a while back.
As soon as I added those back in, QNC worked again -- I'm
posting this via a QNC connection. :)
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Grant Edwards
grante@visi.com
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| Grant Edwards 2006-06-21, 4:33 am |
| On 2006-06-21, Grant Edwards <grante@visi.com> wrote:
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> That doesn't fix QNC, it just makes a modem call to my ISP.
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> I have a limited amount of dial-in time.
Besides that, latencies seem to be consistently lower when
connected to QNC.
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Grant Edwards
grante@visi.com
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| Pegleg 2006-06-21, 10:33 am |
| On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:48:03 -0000, Grant Edwards <grante@visi.com>
wrote:
>I had forgetten to put at$qcmdr=2 and at$qcqnc=1 commands
>in my connect script when I had to re-configure all of my PPP
>connections a while back.
Why are those necessary? What is the second one for?
Pegleg
U.S. Navy Retired
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| Grant Edwards 2006-06-21, 10:33 am |
| On 2006-06-21, Pegleg <brian-s-jones@comcastnospam.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:48:03 -0000, Grant Edwards <grante@visi.com>
> wrote:
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>
> Why are those necessary?
I don't know.
> What is the second one for?
I don't know.
I do know that without them, the CHAP authentication fails
during the link negotiation with the PPP server.
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| Peter Pan 2006-06-21, 10:33 am |
| Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2006-06-21, Pegleg <brian-s-jones@comcastnospam.net> wrote:
>
> I don't know.
>
>
> I don't know.
>
> I do know that without them, the CHAP authentication fails
> during the link negotiation with the PPP server.
One resets the start speed to qnc speeds, and the other sets the start speed
to 1x speeds.. If you don't add them, and force your phone to start at the
new speed for that connection, it continues to use the same speed as the
last time you connected.. Mainly a problem if you go between qnc/1x/evdo
speeds... The wrong speed makes your login stuff gibberish on the other end
to the server and you can't log in...
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| Pegleg 2006-06-21, 10:33 am |
| On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:08:07 -0400, "Peter Pan"
< PeterPanNOSPAM@NOSPA
MAkamail.com> wrote:
>One resets the start speed to qnc speeds, and the other sets the start speed
>to 1x speeds.. If you don't add them, and force your phone to start at the
>new speed for that connection, it continues to use the same speed as the
>last time you connected.. Mainly a problem if you go between qnc/1x/evdo
>speeds... The wrong speed makes your login stuff gibberish on the other end
>to the server and you can't log in...
>
Thanks, how are they entered? Separated by a comma or...? Do they
both have to be entered?
Pegleg
U.S. Navy Retired
Support Our Troops,
Question The Policy!
All great things are simple, and many can be expressed in single words:
freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope.
Sir Winston Churchill
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| Grant Edwards 2006-06-21, 10:33 am |
| On 2006-06-21, Peter Pan < PeterPanNOSPAM@NOSPA
MAkamail.com> wrote:
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> One resets the start speed to qnc speeds, and the other sets
> the start speed to 1x speeds.. If you don't add them, and
> force your phone to start at the new speed for that
> connection, it continues to use the same speed as the last
> time you connected.. Mainly a problem if you go between
> qnc/1x/evdo speeds... The wrong speed makes your login stuff
> gibberish on the other end to the server and you can't log
> in...
That is certainly not the problem I saw.
There was no problem exchanging PPP link-control packets with
the server. There was no "gibberish" on the link.
The client and server negotiated the link properly, but the
server rejected the authentication. There were no errors
exchanging packets between the client and server.
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| Grant Edwards 2006-06-21, 10:33 am |
| On 2006-06-21, Pegleg <brian-s-jones@comcastnospam.net> wrote:
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> Thanks, how are they entered?
I put them in the chat script used by pppd to dial and log in
to the server.
--------------------/etc/ppp/peers/verizon--------------------
/dev/tts/USB0
115200
connect '/usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/ppp/peers/chat-verizon'
ipcp-accept-local
ipcp-accept-remote
defaultroute
remotename verizon
name qnc
noauth
--------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------/etc/ppp/peers/chat-verizon------------------
'ABORT' 'BUSY'
'ABORT' 'ERROR'
'ABORT' 'NO ANSWER'
'ABORT' 'NO CARRIER'
'ABORT' 'NO DIALTONE'
'ABORT' 'Invalid Login'
'ABORT' 'Login incorrect'
'' 'at$qcmdr=2'
'OK' 'at$qcqnc=1'
'OK' 'ATDT#777'
'CONNECT' '\c'
--------------------------------------------------------------
> Separated by a comma or...? Do they both have to be entered?
It works with both in there, it doesn't work with none. Maybe
it'll work with just one of them.
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| Peter Pan 2006-06-21, 12:33 pm |
| Pegleg wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:08:07 -0400, "Peter Pan"
> < PeterPanNOSPAM@NOSPA
MAkamail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks, how are they entered? Separated by a comma or...? Do they
> both have to be entered?
>
> Pegleg
They are entered as one thing, however, they are not generic, but are phone
dependant... IE not the same for all models of phones....
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| Peter Pan 2006-06-21, 12:33 pm |
| Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2006-06-21, Peter Pan < PeterPanNOSPAM@NOSPA
MAkamail.com> wrote:
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> That is certainly not the problem I saw.
>
> There was no problem exchanging PPP link-control packets with
> the server. There was no "gibberish" on the link.
>
> The client and server negotiated the link properly, but the
> server rejected the authentication. There were no errors
> exchanging packets between the client and server.
You said that it didn't accept the qnc/qnc and gave an error.. That is the
only possible way it would get the qnc screwey, and the qnc is generic and
is the same for everyone...
if you were on verizon native (as you said), there is absolutely no other
possibility, it HAD to see qnc, unless your system was sending gibberish, in
which case the exact same problem happens..
Happens when people use 1x (and now evdo also), and then go back and use a
slower connection, the phone is still defaulted to the last connect speed
you used...
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| Grant Edwards 2006-06-21, 12:33 pm |
| On 2006-06-21, Peter Pan < PeterPanNOSPAM@NOSPA
MAkamail.com> wrote:
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> They are entered as one thing, however, they are not generic,
> but are phone dependant... IE not the same for all models of
> phones....
My bad. I should have mentioed that I'm using a VX4400.
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| Grant Edwards 2006-06-21, 12:33 pm |
| On 2006-06-21, Peter Pan < PeterPanNOSPAM@NOSPA
MAkamail.com> wrote:
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> You said that it didn't accept the qnc/qnc and gave an error.
Right. After nogotiating the link options (including what type
of authentication to use), the PPP server sent a CHAP
authentication challenge packet. The client sent a CHAP
authentication response packet with username=qnc and
password=qnc. The server then sent an authentication refused
packet. Then the server sent a link-shutdown packet, which the
client acknowleged, and the link was shut down.
It happened exactly the same way every time I tried.
As soon as I added the "at$" commands, it did the same thing,
except the CHAP authentication was accepted, and the link
negotiations completed.
I can post the PPP LCP packet traces for both cases.
> That is the only possible way it would get the qnc screwey,
> and the qnc is generic and is the same for everyone...
Since I can repeatably demonstrate a different one, a
speed-mismatch causing "gibberish" is not the only possible
failure mode.
> if you were on verizon native (as you said), there is
> absolutely no other possibility, it HAD to see qnc, unless
> your system was sending gibberish, in which case the exact
> same problem happens..
No, there _was_no_gibbberish_. The PPP link negotion proceded
normally and terminated with the same link shutdown sequence
that one sees with a bad username/password.
If one system or the other sends "gibberish", then the
checksums on the LCP packets would be bad and the server/client
won't talk to each other at all. There would be no link
negotation. There would be no CHAP authentication
challenge/response. There would be no orderly link shutdown
(since ther would be no link at all).
> Happens when people use 1x (and now evdo also), and then go
> back and use a slower connection, the phone is still defaulted
> to the last connect speed you used...
It's possible that the phone was connected at a speed for which
qnc/qnc was a valid username/password (so the server refused
authentication), but the problem was absolultely not that there
was "gibberish" so that the server/client didn't understand
each other.
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| Peter Pan 2006-06-21, 12:33 pm |
| Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2006-06-21, Peter Pan < PeterPanNOSPAM@NOSPA
MAkamail.com> wrote:
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> My bad. I should have mentioed that I'm using a VX4400.
Will look in my notes for the correct strings, but meanwhile, here is a "how
to add init strings" (that's what they are called), however the string in
the example is specific for a t720 (thats AT$QCMDR=3)
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| Peter Pan 2006-06-21, 12:33 pm |
| Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2006-06-21, Peter Pan < PeterPanNOSPAM@NOSPA
MAkamail.com> wrote:
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> My bad. I should have mentioed that I'm using a VX4400.
From an older post I found in my sent folder...
Since you have a VX4400, have you seen the online page of all sorts of info
specifically for the 4400?
URL http://www.rogerbinns.com/vx4400/vx4400faq.html
Found this in an old email message.... (express was the old name for what is
now nationalaccess/1x)[color=darkred]
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| Peter Pan 2006-06-21, 3:33 pm |
| Grant Edwards wrote:
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> It's possible that the phone was connected at a speed for which
> qnc/qnc was a valid username/password (so the server refused
> authentication), but the problem was absolultely not that there
> was "gibberish" so that the server/client didn't understand
> each other.
Check this thread out
http://www.cellphoneforums.net/alt-...laccess-no.html
Basically it is about the opposite of what you are seeing (this thread is
QNC yes, 1X no), but the fix and explanations should give you good info....
Fraid it's way too long to repost here (several pages), you'll have to check
the link...
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| Grant Edwards 2006-06-21, 3:33 pm |
| On 2006-06-21, Grant Edwards <grante@visi.com> wrote:
> It's possible that the phone was connected at a speed for which
> qnc/qnc was a valid username/password (so the server refused
wasn't a valid username/password.
> authentication), but the problem was absolultely not that
> there was "gibberish" so that the server/client didn't
> understand each other.
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| Grant Edwards 2006-06-21, 3:33 pm |
| On 2006-06-21, Peter Pan < PeterPanNOSPAM@NOSPA
MAkamail.com> wrote:
> Grant Edwards wrote:
>
> From an older post I found in my sent folder...
>
> Since you have a VX4400, have you seen the online page of all sorts of info
> specifically for the 4400?
> URL http://www.rogerbinns.com/vx4400/vx4400faq.html
Yup. I just found it (again).
I was reading the other thread you linked to, and I get the
impression that one of the posters with a VX4400 gets ~100K
rates when he logs on with mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@vz
w3g.com/vzw.
I never tried that, because I thought you had to sign up for a
data plan for that to work. Just for fun, I'll give that a try
tonight to see what happens with various QCMDR settings.
> Found this in an old email message.... (express was the old
> name for what is now nationalaccess/1x)
[color=darkred]
My current guess is that without the QCMDR=2, it wasw defaulting
to the higer-speed network for which qnc/qnc are invalid.
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| Peter Pan 2006-06-21, 10:33 pm |
| Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2006-06-21, Peter Pan < PeterPanNOSPAM@NOSPA
MAkamail.com> wrote:
>
> Yup. I just found it (again).
>
> I was reading the other thread you linked to, and I get the
> impression that one of the posters with a VX4400 gets ~100K
> rates when he logs on with mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@vz
w3g.com/vzw.
>
> I never tried that, because I thought you had to sign up for a
> data plan for that to work. Just for fun, I'll give that a try
> tonight to see what happens with various QCMDR settings.
>
>
>
> My current guess is that without the QCMDR=2, it wasw defaulting
> to the higer-speed network for which qnc/qnc are invalid.
Yes, if you happen to have GIN (or otherwise 1x enabled), and are in a
verizon area, that is the logon for 1X (aka express NA/nationalaccess etc,
basically 10 times faster than Q2N... IE average 100 bursts to 144)..
No data plan usually needed (just don't overdo it, and it uses Minutes AKA
MOU), or try to use your free time (nights after 9 and weekends) when it's
free.
Note, that until you get your init strings figgered out, you stay connected
(but in dormant mode), and it can get very expensive... Better you not try
it until you get your init strings working.. (hangs up and resets the speed
when you are done)...
If for some reason it was using 1x (like if you have GIN or Mobile Web), it
will stay at that higher speed unless you reset it to lower speed via the
init strings, or lose your old phone and get a new one...
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