Verizon wireless - Beware of VERIZON'S THIEVERY!

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Beware of VERIZON'S THIEVERY!

Freedom Fighter

2006-07-21, 3:33 pm

I made a call to 411 (information service) last month on my Verizon land
line, and the operator was unable to give me any useful information. I
expected that I would not be charged for this, as no service was rendered.

Guess what? My Verizon bill includes a charge of $1.25 for the information
call, plus a tacked-on bullshit charge that brings the total due to $1.48!

Isn't charging for no service given called ATTEMPTED THEFT?

I complained, and was told the amount will be credited on my next bill. I
was also told that when you call for this service (and I would assume any
Verizon service) and don't get what you called for, YOU MUST ASK FOR CREDIT
in order not to be charged!

Blatant corpserate arrogance!
And they wonder why people vandalize their public phones, many of which also
steal your money!

The Ghost of General Lee

2006-07-21, 10:33 pm

Freedom Fighter

2006-07-21, 10:33 pm

"The Ghost of General Lee" <ghost@general.lee> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:27:56 GMT, "Freedom Fighter" <liberty@once.net>
> wrote:
>
[color=darkred]
> If this happened on your land line, why are you posting it to the
> cellular groups?

Because Verizon's shady business practices are probably the same for all of
their customers. I'm doing a public service by alerting potential victims to
this.

RNess

2006-07-21, 10:33 pm

Do you honestly think that the mechanism that bills these calls
is smart enough to know if you were successful - or not?

Please get real - you called 411, you got connected - you got charged.
The charge is for the call - and that is how it's billed - real simple.

Bitching about this is moronic and shows a high level of naiveté.

"Freedom Fighter" <liberty@once.net> wrote in message news:gNawg.438771$Fs1.258825@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>I made a call to 411 (information service) last month on my Verizon land line, and the operator was unable to give me
>any useful information. I expected that I would not be charged for this, as no service was rendered.
>
> Guess what? My Verizon bill includes a charge of $1.25 for the information call, plus a tacked-on bullshit charge that
> brings the total due to $1.48!
>
> Isn't charging for no service given called ATTEMPTED THEFT?
>
> I complained, and was told the amount will be credited on my next bill. I was also told that when you call for this
> service (and I would assume any Verizon service) and don't get what you called for, YOU MUST ASK FOR CREDIT in order
> not to be charged!
>
> Blatant corpserate arrogance!
> And they wonder why people vandalize their public phones, many of which also steal your money!
>

Freedom Fighter

2006-07-21, 10:33 pm

"RNess" <richard@nodamnspam.nessnet.com> wrote in message
news:_JKdnYgXoZQH3lz
ZnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@gi
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> Do you honestly think that the mechanism that bills these calls
> is smart enough to know if you were successful - or not?
>
> Please get real - you called 411, you got connected - you got charged.
> The charge is for the call - and that is how it's billed - real simple.
>
> Bitching about this is moronic and shows a high level of naiveté.

To the contrary, it exposes how greedy corpserations manipulate such
circumstances to maximize their profits, even when the way they do so
amounts to thievery. Charges should only apply when an actual service is
rendered. I do not believe that Verizon, with all the technology at their
disposal, cannot implement this so that their customers are not subject to
unjustified charges. The reason is that profits are all that is important to
them, and they couldn't care less about ethics and fairness.

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> "Freedom Fighter" <liberty@once.net> wrote in message
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>
>

Richard Blaine

2006-07-21, 10:33 pm

"Freedom Fighter" <liberty@once.net> wrote in message
news:gNawg.438771$Fs1.258825@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>I made a call to 411 (information service) last month on my Verizon land
>line, and the operator was unable to give me any useful information. I
>expected that I would not be charged for this, as no service was rendered.
>
> Guess what? My Verizon bill includes a charge of $1.25 for the information
> call, plus a tacked-on bullshit charge that brings the total due to $1.48!
>
> Isn't charging for no service given called ATTEMPTED THEFT?
>
> I complained, and was told the amount will be credited on my next bill. I
> was also told that when you call for this service (and I would assume any
> Verizon service) and don't get what you called for, YOU MUST ASK FOR
> CREDIT in order not to be charged!
>
> Blatant corpserate arrogance!
> And they wonder why people vandalize their public phones, many of which
> also steal your money!
>

I'm curious, did your bill just capitalize the line item "Bullshit Charge
$1.48", or did they do it in all caps BULLSHIT CHARGE? Maybe they printed it
in red?

Curious minds want to know...

Rick

RNess

2006-07-21, 10:33 pm

Horse shit... there is simply no "manipulation" here...
There is no outright greed here - you are tilting at windmills

What you are asking for is some sort of artificial intelligence to listen
to a call to determine it's final outcome? Some sort of additional technology?
Probably expensive technology, so now the cost is $3.00+. For what is
probably a very low percentage of the calls? This is simply ludicrous...

You made a call, you got connected - you got charged. Bing, bang, boom...
Service WAS rendered. Seems REAL simple to me. Should be to you too.....
But then, some people...

You call someone long distance - they answer, but you both put the phone
down and no one actually talks - this goes on for 30 minutes or more.
Should you pay for the call?? (Certainly - it was the connection you pay for,
not the conversation)

You rent an apartment or pay a mortgage. You go on a month's vacation.
Do you XXXXX and moan about that month's payment because you didn't use
the dwelling for that month?

"Freedom Fighter" <liberty@once.net> wrote in message news:oIbwg.439099$Fs1.114266@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> "RNess" <richard@nodamnspam.nessnet.com> wrote in message news:_JKdnYgXoZQH3lz
ZnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@gi
ganews.com...
>
> To the contrary, it exposes how greedy corpserations manipulate such circumstances to maximize their profits, even
> when the way they do so amounts to thievery. Charges should only apply when an actual service is rendered. I do not
> believe that Verizon, with all the technology at their disposal, cannot implement this so that their customers are not
> subject to unjustified charges. The reason is that profits are all that is important to them, and they couldn't care
> less about ethics and fairness.
>
> -----------------------------
>
>

The Ghost of General Lee

2006-07-21, 10:33 pm

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:07:02 GMT, "Freedom Fighter" <liberty@once.net>
wrote:

>"The Ghost of General Lee" <ghost@general.lee> wrote in message
> news:jie2c29kn4ts2so
tt596m0cjjf7t1k5uq2@
4ax.com...
>
>
>Because Verizon's shady business practices are probably the same for all of
>their customers. I'm doing a public service by alerting potential victims to
>this.
>

No, you're trolling. Pay the bill and STFU.

Full Name

2006-07-21, 10:33 pm

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:27:56 GMT, "Freedom Fighter" <liberty@once.net>
wrote:

>I made a call to 411 (information service) last month on my Verizon land
>line, and the operator was unable to give me any useful information. I
>expected that I would not be charged for this, as no service was rendered.
>
>Guess what? My Verizon bill includes a charge of $1.25 for the information
>call, plus a tacked-on bullshit charge that brings the total due to $1.48!
>
>Isn't charging for no service given called ATTEMPTED THEFT?
>
>I complained, and was told the amount will be credited on my next bill. I
>was also told that when you call for this service (and I would assume any
>Verizon service) and don't get what you called for, YOU MUST ASK FOR CREDIT
>in order not to be charged!
>
>Blatant corpserate arrogance!
>And they wonder why people vandalize their public phones, many of which also
>steal your money!
>

You dialed 411 and are unhappy.

You complained and got credit.

This group is for VZW, the W being for wireless.

Get a freaking life, and grow the F up.................

Does MOMMY tie your shoelaces before going to work?

Diamond Dave

2006-07-21, 10:33 pm

Sam

2006-07-22, 10:33 am

Do you want any cheese with your whine?

Dude pay the bill and shut up. Your not winning me over to your way
of thinking. You made a mistake..learn from it and move on.

Robert Coe

2006-07-22, 12:33 pm

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:31:00 GMT, "Freedom Fighter" <liberty@once.net> wrote:
: "RNess" <richard@nodamnspam.nessnet.com> wrote in message
: news:_JKdnYgXoZQH3lz
ZnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@gi
ganews.com...
: > Do you honestly think that the mechanism that bills these calls
: > is smart enough to know if you were successful - or not?
: >
: > Please get real - you called 411, you got connected - you got charged.
: > The charge is for the call - and that is how it's billed - real simple.
: >
: > Bitching about this is moronic and shows a high level of naiveté.
:
: To the contrary, it exposes how greedy corpserations manipulate such
: circumstances to maximize their profits, even when the way they do so
: amounts to thievery. Charges should only apply when an actual service is
: rendered. I do not believe that Verizon, with all the technology at their
: disposal, cannot implement this so that their customers are not subject to
: unjustified charges. The reason is that profits are all that is important to
: them, and they couldn't care less about ethics and fairness.

Fair enough. But with all the corporate greed and sleaze rampant in this
country, can't you find something more significant to XXXXX about than a
beasly $1.48?

Steve Sobol

2006-07-22, 12:33 pm

Robert Coe wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:31:00 GMT, "Freedom Fighter" <liberty@once.net> wrote:
> : "RNess" <richard@nodamnspam.nessnet.com> wrote in message
> : news:_JKdnYgXoZQH3lz
ZnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@gi
ganews.com...
> : > Do you honestly think that the mechanism that bills these calls
> : > is smart enough to know if you were successful - or not?
> : >
> : > Please get real - you called 411, you got connected - you got charged.
> : > The charge is for the call - and that is how it's billed - real simple.
> : >
> : > Bitching about this is moronic and shows a high level of naiveté.
> :
> : To the contrary, it exposes how greedy corpserations manipulate

Back when I called 800-555-Tell, an information service NOT provided by
Verizon that DOES NOT cost them anything to provide (other than the cost of
connecting the call), and they charged me $1.25, I was (justifiably) pisssed off.

However, they stopped that practice long ago.

Calls to 411 from Verizon Wireless phones DO incur costs. Verizon runs their
own 411 call centers, and they have the costs associated with those call
centers that they probably want to recoup.

In fact, we're looking at buying a house in Victorville, CA that is right
across the street from their Southern California 411 call center. Literally.
Like, I could have people come over for a party and they could park in VZ's
parking lot. :)

As I understand it, the Victorville call center services VZ landline and
wireless customers, and customers of companies that contract with VZ for 411
service.

(I wonder if they'll charge me if I walk in and ask for a phone number.) :)

--
Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows
Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED

It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.

Freedom Fighter

2006-07-22, 10:33 pm

"The Ghost of General Lee" <ghost@general.lee> wrote in message
news:fpm2c2limprbgfo
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4ax.com...
> On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:07:02 GMT, "Freedom Fighter" <liberty@once.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> No, you're trolling. Pay the bill and STFU.

No, you are a VERIZON SHILL!
Some people will do anything for money, including condoning unscrupulous
business practices.

Freedom Fighter

2006-07-22, 10:33 pm

"RNess" <richard@nodamnspam.nessnet.com> wrote in message
news:VvOdnbMLHeTG0Vz
ZnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@gi
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> Horse shit... there is simply no "manipulation" here...
> There is no outright greed here - you are tilting at windmills
>
> What you are asking for is some sort of artificial intelligence to listen
> to a call to determine it's final outcome? Some sort of additional
> technology?

All that is necessary is an input from the operator or system that a service
was rendered or not rendered.

> Probably expensive technology, so now the cost is $3.00+. For what is
> probably a very low percentage of the calls? This is simply ludicrous...
>
> You made a call, you got connected - you got charged. Bing, bang, boom...
> Service WAS rendered. Seems REAL simple to me. Should be to you too.....
> But then, some people...

No useful information provided = NO SERVICE provided = no charge justified!

You are probably a VERIZON SHILL!
Some people will do anything for money, including condoning unscrupulous
business practices.

Freedom Fighter

2006-07-22, 10:33 pm

"Sam" <goway@nunya.com> wrote in message
news:8ea4c2t87sp8ia2
vnai78t3fkmu3lbg82j@
4ax.com...
> Do you want any cheese with your whine?
>
> Dude pay the bill and shut up. Your not winning me over to your way
> of thinking. You made a mistake..learn from it and move on.

Another Verizon SHILL mouths off.
I don't have to pay it - I was granted credit, as justice requires.
Now YOU shut up!

Freedom Fighter

2006-07-22, 10:33 pm

"Robert Coe" <bob@1776.COM> wrote in message
news:dfh4c2pqqnhqcep
g3thjhhk0rsh2gj1rrk@
4ax.com...
> On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:31:00 GMT, "Freedom Fighter" <liberty@once.net>
> wrote:
> : "RNess" <richard@nodamnspam.nessnet.com> wrote in message
> : news:_JKdnYgXoZQH3lz
ZnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@gi
ganews.com...
> : > Do you honestly think that the mechanism that bills these calls
> : > is smart enough to know if you were successful - or not?
> : >
> : > Please get real - you called 411, you got connected - you got charged.
> : > The charge is for the call - and that is how it's billed - real
> simple.
> : >
> : > Bitching about this is moronic and shows a high level of naiveté.
> :
> : To the contrary, it exposes how greedy corpserations manipulate such
> : circumstances to maximize their profits, even when the way they do so
> : amounts to thievery. Charges should only apply when an actual service is
> : rendered. I do not believe that Verizon, with all the technology at
> their
> : disposal, cannot implement this so that their customers are not subject
> to
> : unjustified charges. The reason is that profits are all that is
> important to
> : them, and they couldn't care less about ethics and fairness.
>
> Fair enough. But with all the corporate greed and sleaze rampant in this
> country, can't you find something more significant to XXXXX about than a
> beasly $1.48?

I wouldn't miss the $1.48 at all, but there is a principle involved here. If
Verizon or any other greedy corpseration gets away with this with one
person, they make very little. But more realistically, with say 1000 people
a day? Perhaps 10,000? That amounts to grand larceny!

Freedom Fighter

2006-07-22, 10:33 pm

"Full Name" < dontwantyouremail@no
spam.nycap.com> wrote in message
news:9pm2c2ts4a1789s
od4sfp3ani52qr4r166@
4ax.com...
> On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:27:56 GMT, "Freedom Fighter" <liberty@once.net>
> wrote:
>
[color=darkred]
> You dialed 411 and are unhappy.
>
> You complained and got credit.
>
> This group is for VZW, the W being for wireless.
>
> Get a freaking life, and grow the F up.................
>
> Does MOMMY tie your shoelaces before going to work?

Ho-hum, another childish, name-calling Verizon SHILL I must respond to.
If they will cheat landline customers, they will cheat ALL customers.
I'd tell you to grow up too, but that would obviously be futile -

The Ghost of General Lee

2006-07-22, 10:33 pm

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 22:11:21 GMT, "Freedom Fighter" <liberty@once.net>
wrote:

>"The Ghost of General Lee" <ghost@general.lee> wrote in message
> news:fpm2c2limprbgfo
p9lulcv3tckhhbph632@
4ax.com...
>
>No, you are a VERIZON SHILL!

You are a little XXXXX, moron. I'm not even a VZW customer. Go cry
to your mommy, little boy.

>Some people will do anything for money, including condoning unscrupulous
>business practices.

Yeah and some people will blame everyone else for what is their own
fault. Tell me, why were you too lazy to look the number up yourself?

Steve Sobol

2006-07-22, 10:33 pm

Freedom Fighter wrote:
> "Sam" <goway@nunya.com> wrote in message
> news:8ea4c2t87sp8ia2
vnai78t3fkmu3lbg82j@
4ax.com...
>
> Another Verizon SHILL mouths off.
> I don't have to pay it - I was granted credit, as justice requires.

Then WTF are you whining about?

If you didn't get any information, but you were granted credit, exactly why
are you complaining?

--
Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows
Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED

It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.

Scott

2006-07-22, 10:33 pm

"Freedom Fighter" <liberty@once.net> wrote in message
news:xrxwg.446591$Fs1.346477@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

>
> You are probably a VERIZON SHILL!

And you have proven yourself to be a whiney moron.

> Some people will do anything for money, including condoning unscrupulous
> business practices.
>

They provided a service by answering the phonecall. Pay the charge.

Scott

2006-07-22, 10:33 pm

"Freedom Fighter" <liberty@once.net> wrote in message
news:Yvxwg.161939$mF2.36596@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

>
> I wouldn't miss the $1.48 at all, but there is a principle involved here.
> If Verizon or any other greedy corpseration gets away with this with one
> person, they make very little. But more realistically, with say 1000
> people a day? Perhaps 10,000? That amounts to grand larceny!
>
The only grand thing here is your lack of a clue.

Go away, little clueless troll.

Larry

2006-07-22, 10:33 pm

The Ghost of General Lee <ghost@general.lee> wrote in
news:kua5c29veu600t0
86fjh08otkhcoif3lmd@
4ax.com:

> You are a little XXXXX, moron. I'm not even a VZW customer. Go cry
> to your mommy, little boy.
>
>
> Yeah and some people will blame everyone else for what is their own
> fault. Tell me, why were you too lazy to look the number up yourself?
>
>

Shit. I thought I was the only one the General called names.....

--
When you come up to the checkout, ask someone if they saw
the INS agents carrying off 3 people from the store...
See how many illegals you can get to abandon their carts...
moving YOU up in line....(c;

Steve Sobol

2006-07-22, 10:33 pm

Larry wrote:

> Shit. I thought I was the only one the General called names.....

Sorry about the snippage. I'm posting only to the groups that I know my news
server actually has.

Aside from the name-calling, do you think that the guy has a reason to
complain? Number one, as I mentioned, Verizon staffs their own 411 call
centers, so there are real costs to them to provide the service. Number two,
everyone charges for directory assistance; if you want a free 411 service,
there are a few that are ad-supported that you can use. Number three, when he
failed to get the information he needed, Verizon credited him the $1.48 for
the call.

Given those facts, do you think there's any point to whining about the
charge? (I personally don't. If you do, I would like to hear why.)

--
Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows
Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED

It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.

RNess

2006-07-22, 10:33 pm

You call someone long distance - they answer, but you both put the phone
down and no one actually talks - this goes on for 30 minutes or more.
Should you pay for the call?? (Certainly - it was the connection you pay for,
not the conversation)

You rent an apartment or pay a mortgage. You go on a month's vacation.
Do you XXXXX and moan about that month's payment because you didn't use
the dwelling for that month?

"Freedom Fighter" <liberty@once.net> wrote in message news:xrxwg.446591$Fs1.346477@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> "RNess" <richard@nodamnspam.nessnet.com> wrote in message news:VvOdnbMLHeTG0Vz
ZnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@gi
ganews.com...
>
> All that is necessary is an input from the operator or system that a service was rendered or not rendered.
>
>
> No useful information provided = NO SERVICE provided = no charge justified!
>
>
> You are probably a VERIZON SHILL!
> Some people will do anything for money, including condoning unscrupulous business practices.
>

RNess

2006-07-22, 10:33 pm

You call someone long distance - they answer, but you both put the phone
down and no one actually talks - this goes on for 30 minutes or more.
Should you pay for the call?? (Certainly - it was the connection you pay for,
not the conversation)

You rent an apartment or pay a mortgage. You go on a month's vacation.
Do you XXXXX and moan about that month's payment because you didn't use
the dwelling for that month?

"Freedom Fighter" <liberty@once.net> wrote in message news:0txwg.161930$mF2.2973@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> "Sam" <goway@nunya.com> wrote in message news:8ea4c2t87sp8ia2
vnai78t3fkmu3lbg82j@
4ax.com...
>
> Another Verizon SHILL mouths off.
> I don't have to pay it - I was granted credit, as justice requires.
> Now YOU shut up!
>

RNess

2006-07-22, 10:33 pm

You call someone long distance - they answer, but you both put the phone
down and no one actually talks - this goes on for 30 minutes or more.
Should you pay for the call?? (Certainly - it was the connection you pay for,
not the conversation)

You rent an apartment or pay a mortgage. You go on a month's vacation.
Do you XXXXX and moan about that month's payment because you didn't use
the dwelling for that month?

"Freedom Fighter" <liberty@once.net> wrote in message news:Yvxwg.161939$mF2.36596@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> "Robert Coe" <bob@1776.COM> wrote in message news:dfh4c2pqqnhqcep
g3thjhhk0rsh2gj1rrk@
4ax.com...
>
> I wouldn't miss the $1.48 at all, but there is a principle involved here. If Verizon or any other greedy corpseration
> gets away with this with one person, they make very little. But more realistically, with say 1000 people a day?
> Perhaps 10,000? That amounts to grand larceny!
>

RNess

2006-07-22, 10:33 pm

You call someone long distance - they answer, but you both put the phone
down and no one actually talks - this goes on for 30 minutes or more.
Should you pay for the call?? (Certainly - it was the connection you pay for,
not the conversation)

You rent an apartment or pay a mortgage. You go on a month's vacation.
Do you XXXXX and moan about that month's payment because you didn't use
the dwelling for that month?

"Freedom Fighter" <liberty@once.net> wrote in message news:DAxwg.161956$mF2.47857@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> "Full Name" < dontwantyouremail@no
spam.nycap.com> wrote in message news:9pm2c2ts4a1789s
od4sfp3ani52qr4r166@
4ax.com...
>
>
> Ho-hum, another childish, name-calling Verizon SHILL I must respond to.
> If they will cheat landline customers, they will cheat ALL customers.
> I'd tell you to grow up too, but that would obviously be futile -
>

Quick

2006-07-23, 4:33 am

Freedom Fighter wrote:
>
> Ho-hum, another childish, name-calling Verizon SHILL I
> must respond to. If they will cheat landline customers,
> they will cheat ALL customers. I'd tell you to grow up
> too, but that would obviously be futile -

errrr, "another..", they seem to be adding up. Not even
our resident black helicopter group has come to your
support and they're looking for any reason to bring down
the evil machine. Good luck with your class action suit.

-Quick

Larry

2006-07-23, 3:33 pm

Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in news:44C2E4A2.4060902
@JustThe.net:

> if you want a free 411 service,
> there are a few that are ad-supported that you can use.

1-800-373-3411 if you're out of wifi range on the cellphone....

http://www.switchboard.com/ if you have internet service, even Verizon's.

I don't pay for directory assistance, either.

--
When you come up to the checkout, ask someone if they saw
the INS agents carrying off 3 people from the store...
See how many illegals you can get to abandon their carts...
moving YOU up in line....(c;

Rich

2006-07-23, 10:33 pm

Rich

2006-07-23, 10:33 pm

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:31:00 GMT, "Freedom Fighter" <liberty@once.net>
wrote:

>"RNess" <richard@nodamnspam.nessnet.com> wrote in message
> news:_JKdnYgXoZQH3lz
ZnZ2dnUVZ_qGdnZ2d@gi
ganews.com...
>
>To the contrary, it exposes how greedy corpserations manipulate such
>circumstances to maximize their profits, even when the way they do so
>amounts to thievery. Charges should only apply when an actual service is
>rendered. I do not believe that Verizon, with all the technology at their
>disposal, cannot implement this so that their customers are not subject to
>unjustified charges. The reason is that profits are all that is important to
>them, and they couldn't care less about ethics and fairness.

corpserations???

service was rendered. the op looked up your request but could not
find your number. you complained about the charge and receicved a
credit.

corpserations????

73,
rich, n9dko

Steve Sobol

2006-07-23, 10:33 pm

Larry wrote:

>
> 1-800-373-3411 if you're out of wifi range on the cellphone....
>
> http://www.switchboard.com/ if you have internet service, even Verizon's.
>
> I don't pay for directory assistance, either.

I use: http://411metro.com/

--
Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows
Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED

It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.

Freedom Fighter

2006-07-24, 10:33 pm

"The Ghost of General Lee" <ghost@general.lee> wrote in message
news:kua5c29veu600t0
86fjh08otkhcoif3lmd@
4ax.com...
> On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 22:11:21 GMT, "Freedom Fighter" <liberty@once.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> You are a little XXXXX, moron. I'm not even a VZW customer. Go cry
> to your mommy, little boy.

BWAHAHA! The malicious TROLL is UPSET! - he can't stand it when he attacks
someone smarter than he is and can't get the best of them!

"Ghost of General Lee" - a redneck, I take it!

Freedom Fighter

2006-07-24, 10:33 pm

"Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
news:44C2E4A2.4060902@JustThe.net...
> Larry wrote:
>
>
>
> Sorry about the snippage. I'm posting only to the groups that I know my
> news
> server actually has.
>
> Aside from the name-calling, do you think that the guy has a reason to
> complain? Number one, as I mentioned, Verizon staffs their own 411 call
> centers, so there are real costs to them to provide the service.

True, but no justification to charge when NO service is provided.

> Number two,
> everyone charges for directory assistance; if you want a free 411 service,
> there are a few that are ad-supported that you can use.

IF assistance is given, a charge is justified.

> Number three, when he
> failed to get the information he needed, Verizon credited him the $1.48
> for
> the call.

ONLY BECAUSE I COMPLAINED.

> Given those facts, do you think there's any point to whining about the
> charge? (I personally don't. If you do, I would like to hear why.)
>
>
> --
> Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl **
> Linux/*BSD/Windows
> Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
>
> It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.

Freedom Fighter

2006-07-24, 10:33 pm

"Scott" <how.do@you.do> wrote in message
news:GY6dnSuDx8fgXF_
ZnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@ad
elphia.com...
>
> "Freedom Fighter" <liberty@once.net> wrote in message
> news:xrxwg.446591$Fs1.346477@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>
> And you have proven yourself to be a whiney moron.

Hmm - seems like I hit a nerve with this adolescent name-calling shill!

>
> They provided a service by answering the phonecall. Pay the charge.

I won't - it has been credited, an admission that I do not owe anything as
no service was rendered.

Freedom Fighter

2006-07-24, 10:33 pm

"Scott" <how.do@you.do> wrote in message
news:FK- dnX5KY9QnXF_ZnZ2dnUV
Z_s6dnZ2d@adelphia.com...
>
> "Freedom Fighter" <liberty@once.net> wrote in message
> news:Yvxwg.161939$mF2.36596@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>
> The only grand thing here is your lack of a clue.
>
> Go away, little clueless troll.

Ad-hominem attack is the refuge of unintelligent and immature people that
can't refute an opinion with logic or facts, so they resort to childishly
attacking the person that holds the opinion.

Pathetic.

Freedom Fighter

2006-07-24, 10:33 pm

"RNess" <richard@nodamnspam.nessnet.com> wrote in message
news:WLGdnWWH- KuAcF_ZnZ2dnUVZ_uydn
Z2d@giganews.com...
> You call someone long distance - they answer, but you both put the phone
> down and no one actually talks - this goes on for 30 minutes or more.
> Should you pay for the call?? (Certainly - it was the connection you pay
> for,
> not the conversation)

Yes, as the caller's proper use of the line is the responsibility of the
caller. Should the caller pay though if the line gets disconnected? No,
because the disconnection was not his fault - the provider failed to fulfill
the obligation incurred by the charge for service.

NO SERVICE RENDERED means NO CHARGE JUSTIFIED. That would hold up in any
court.

> You rent an apartment or pay a mortgage. You go on a month's vacation.
> Do you XXXXX and moan about that month's payment because you didn't use
> the dwelling for that month?

Same circumstances as the above.

The Ghost of General Lee

2006-07-24, 10:33 pm

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:26:27 GMT, "Freedom Fighter" <liberty@once.net>
wrote:

>BWAHAHA! The malicious TROLL is UPSET! - he can't stand it when he attacks
>someone smarter than he is and can't get the best of them!

You claim to be smarter, yet look at how much time you've wasted
bitching over $1.48, which you never eve paid anyways. With every
idiotic post you make, Verizon wins another round. Ding, ding! There
goes another win for Verizon!

>"Ghost of General Lee" - a redneck, I take it!

So you're a bigot, too. Why am I not surprised.

Scott

2006-07-24, 10:33 pm

"Freedom Fighter" <liberty@once.net> wrote in message
news:7%axg.460749$Fs1.123031@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> "Scott" <how.do@you.do> wrote in message
> news:GY6dnSuDx8fgXF_
ZnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@ad
elphia.com...
>
> Hmm - seems like I hit a nerve with this adolescent name-calling shill!

No- I'm simply an excellent judge of character- whiney moron is most
appropriate in your case.

>
>
> I won't - it has been credited, an admission that I do not owe anything as
> no service was rendered.

An admission of nothing. They issued a "pest" credit.

>
>

Scott

2006-07-24, 10:33 pm

"Freedom Fighter" <liberty@once.net> wrote in message
news:M1bxg.460764$Fs1.155882@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> "Scott" <how.do@you.do> wrote in message
> news:FK- dnX5KY9QnXF_ZnZ2dnUV
Z_s6dnZ2d@adelphia.com...
>
> Ad-hominem attack is the refuge of unintelligent and immature people that
> can't refute an opinion with logic or facts, so they resort to childishly
> attacking the person that holds the opinion.

Physician, heal thyself.

>
> Pathetic.

Yes you are.

RNess

2006-07-24, 10:33 pm

You are just too mentally challenged to see...

Your XXXXX is universal - Verizon, or Qwest, or AT&T or any other
RBOC, CLEC or wireless carrier you would be the same situation.
It ain't just Verizon you got a XXXXX with - it's the whole telcom biz...

You called, you were billed - it's pretty damn simple. And easy to grasp.
It's not _IF_ info was given - or not - it's the call and the use of the service.

You not only utilized their facilities by calling, you took up the operator's
time. It doesn't matter if you got the number - you used the SERVICE!
The cost to the carrier is exactly the same - number given - or not.

Do YOU work for free?

Let's use one you can surely relate to. You enlist the services of a hooker.
But, then you just can't seem to get your limp noodle up. With your logic, you'd
think you were entitled to and demand a freebee - and you certainly wouldn't
get it.

Testa dura...

"Freedom Fighter" <liberty@once.net> wrote in message news:i6bxg.169451$mF2.39840@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> "RNess" <richard@nodamnspam.nessnet.com> wrote in message news:WLGdnWWH- KuAcF_ZnZ2dnUVZ_uydn
Z2d@giganews.com...
>
> Yes, as the caller's proper use of the line is the responsibility of the caller. Should the caller pay though if the
> line gets disconnected? No, because the disconnection was not his fault - the provider failed to fulfill the
> obligation incurred by the charge for service.
>
> NO SERVICE RENDERED means NO CHARGE JUSTIFIED. That would hold up in any court.
>
>
> Same circumstances as the above.
>

Quick

2006-07-25, 3:33 pm

RNess wrote:
> You are just too mentally challenged to see...

No. He's just a troll. No different than Cletis.

-Quick

RNess

2006-07-25, 3:33 pm

Troll yes certainly..

But, there is a difference - freedom whatever is just a moron and being
hard headed - but he can actually type and make a sentence.

Cletus is totally psychotic and can't actually be at all intelligible...

"Quick" <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message news:Zstxg.73867$Lm5.19353@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
> RNess wrote:
>
> No. He's just a troll. No different than Cletis.
>
> -Quick
>

Antares

2006-07-26, 3:33 pm

Gen Lee rock you bastards so stfu. Bunch of ACLU lovers, you all suck dicks ! Fags !

woooohooooo rock'n'roll baby !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And by the way Verizon , as all the others Cellular Operators, just sux ! All corporations sux !!! Especially T-MOBILE you XXXXing SOB !!!!!!!!

Thomas T. Veldhouse

2006-07-26, 3:33 pm

In alt.cellular.verizon Antares <alpha-omega@proximus.be> wrote:
> [-- text/plain, encoding quoted-printable, charset: iso-8859-1, 9 lines --]
>
> Gen Lee rock you bastards so stfu. Bunch of ACLU lovers, you all suck dicks ! Fags !
>
> woooohooooo rock'n'roll baby !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> And by the way Verizon , as all the others Cellular Operators, just sux ! All corporations sux !!! Especially T-MOBILE you XXXXing SOB !!!!!!!!
>

Troll ... you post from Belgium ... where there is no Verizon Wireless
service.

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