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Probs with #777, but other DUNs work fine
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| Scott Ehrlich 2006-07-26, 10:33 pm |
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I just picked up a Moto V60s which works fine all around, including
tethered to my PDA via a special cable. From my PDA, I can call most any
"normal" number and the phone dials it. But if I configure the PDA's
dialer for #777, the phone refuses to respond. Actually, the phone
refuses to respond to any number preceeded by a # sign.
Any ideas how to get around this?
If necessary, I'll opt for the cheapest ISP that uses Level3/Qwest modem
numbers, or set up my own ISP at home.
Thanks for any leads for the #777. Remember, too, the v60s is an
older/discontinued model.
Scott
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| Frankster 2006-07-27, 7:33 am |
| Explain "fails to respond". Exactly what happens? Does it light up? Error
message? Anything? Nonthing in any error log on your PDA/computer?
-Frank
"Scott Ehrlich" <scott@mit.edu> wrote in message
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> I just picked up a Moto V60s which works fine all around, including
> tethered to my PDA via a special cable. From my PDA, I can call most any
> "normal" number and the phone dials it. But if I configure the PDA's
> dialer for #777, the phone refuses to respond. Actually, the phone
> refuses to respond to any number preceeded by a # sign.
>
> Any ideas how to get around this?
>
> If necessary, I'll opt for the cheapest ISP that uses Level3/Qwest modem
> numbers, or set up my own ISP at home.
>
> Thanks for any leads for the #777. Remember, too, the v60s is an
> older/discontinued model.
>
> Scott
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| Frankster 2006-07-27, 7:33 am |
| Also, make sure you are using the modem init string of:
AT$QCMDR=3
and
userID: 10digitnumber@vzw3g.com
-Frank
"Scott Ehrlich" <scott@mit.edu> wrote in message
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> I just picked up a Moto V60s which works fine all around, including
> tethered to my PDA via a special cable. From my PDA, I can call most any
> "normal" number and the phone dials it. But if I configure the PDA's
> dialer for #777, the phone refuses to respond. Actually, the phone
> refuses to respond to any number preceeded by a # sign.
>
> Any ideas how to get around this?
>
> If necessary, I'll opt for the cheapest ISP that uses Level3/Qwest modem
> numbers, or set up my own ISP at home.
>
> Thanks for any leads for the #777. Remember, too, the v60s is an
> older/discontinued model.
>
> Scott
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| Peter Pan 2006-07-27, 10:33 am |
| > "Scott Ehrlich" <scott@mit.edu> wrote in message[color=darkre
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> news:44c82937$0$580$
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The numbers starting with a # are NOT numbers you can put in from the
keypad or an external dialer that only supports phone numbers.... Only
certain dialers can send it over a cable (and obviously whatever you use,
doesn't support that)
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| Frankster 2006-07-27, 10:33 am |
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> The numbers starting with a # are NOT numbers you can put in from the
> keypad or an external dialer that only supports phone numbers.... Only
> certain dialers can send it over a cable (and obviously whatever you use,
> doesn't support that)
>
True.
However, just for clarity, the Windows XP dialer supports dialing #777, no
problem. This is with the phone tethered to the computer.
-Frank
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| On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:26:53 -0600, "Frankster" <Frank@SPAM2TRASH.com>
wrote:
>Also, make sure you are using the modem init string of:
>
>AT$QCMDR=3
>and
>userID: 10digitnumber@vzw3g.com
that would be correct for the 1X network. for the slower Quick-2-Net
the user ID and password are qnc. the Q2N modem init string is
AT$QCMDR=2.
if the OP is not in a native verizon area he will not be able to
connect to the faster 'national access' network.
but it sounds like the PDA is not recognizing the phone as a modem
since the phone "refuses to respond". have you checked the modem list
in the 'phones and modem options' in the XP control panel to see if
your phone is listed?
73,
rich, n9dko
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>-Frank
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>"Scott Ehrlich" <scott@mit.edu> wrote in message
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| Peter Pan 2006-07-27, 12:33 pm |
| Frankster wrote:
> "Peter Pan" < PeterPanNOSPAM@Akama
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> news:48SdnYIOsMDMLlX
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> True.
>
> However, just for clarity, the Windows XP dialer supports dialing
> #777, no problem. This is with the phone tethered to the computer.
>
> -Frank
Yes, it does, Unfortunately he appears to be using some other dialer on the
PDA (which then sends dialing commands over the cable) and that probably
won't work..
For example, while I have a wireless network and can use dun on the
cellphone from any of the laptops, if I use the PDA (HP iPAQ) i can't dial
the cellphone via DUN using that, i have to do the remote host/client thing
and initiate the dial that way.. I can however use the cable to dial a 10
digit number on the cell from the PDA (just not anything starting with a
#).. That's why I assume it is the dialer on the PDA...
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| Peter Pan 2006-07-27, 12:33 pm |
| Am I misreading something? He said he has a PDA cabled to the cellphone.. I
don't know of any PDA's that use XP... Windows CE yes, palm OS yes, but XP?
(haven't heard of one)
Rich wrote:[color=darkred
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> On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:26:53 -0600, "Frankster" <Frank@SPAM2TRASH.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> that would be correct for the 1X network. for the slower Quick-2-Net
> the user ID and password are qnc. the Q2N modem init string is
> AT$QCMDR=2.
>
> if the OP is not in a native verizon area he will not be able to
> connect to the faster 'national access' network.
>
> but it sounds like the PDA is not recognizing the phone as a modem
> since the phone "refuses to respond". have you checked the modem list
> in the 'phones and modem options' in the XP control panel to see if
> your phone is listed?
>
> 73,
> rich, n9dko
>
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| On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:40:16 -0400, "Peter Pan"
< PeterPanNOSPAM@Akama
ilNOSPAM.com> wrote:
>Am I misreading something? He said he has a PDA cabled to the cellphone.. I
>don't know of any PDA's that use XP... Windows CE yes, palm OS yes, but XP?
>(haven't heard of one)
nope. i goofed referring to XP.
73,
rich, n9dko
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| srehrlich@gmail.com 2006-07-27, 10:33 pm |
| Peter Pan wrote:
> Yes, it does, Unfortunately he appears to be using some other dialer on the
> PDA (which then sends dialing commands over the cable) and that probably
> won't work..
>
> For example, while I have a wireless network and can use dun on the
> cellphone from any of the laptops, if I use the PDA (HP iPAQ) i can't dial
> the cellphone via DUN using that, i have to do the remote host/client thing
> and initiate the dial that way.. I can however use the cable to dial a 10
> digit number on the cell from the PDA (just not anything starting with a
> #).. That's why I assume it is the dialer on the PDA...
That is precisely the problem, and I'm glad I'm not alone :-) I can
dial any other number, as long as it is not preceeded with a # sign.
I am using a Palm 5-based Sony Clie and a Motorola v60s connected with
a DC-powered cable from TheSupplyNet. It looks like a Windows-based
dialer sends some special info to the phone via DUN, where a PDA is
lacking that ability. Maybe there is an escape character sent...
In any event, if we could collectively figure it out, we could then
take advantage of #777. Otherwise, I may just opt to invest in a
cheap dialup ISP, thus spending a little money and bypass Verizon's own
modem bank, though I'd rather keep the change ;-)
If anyone has a dialing solution to gain access to #777, please let it
be known.
Thanks.
Scott
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| Frankster 2006-07-27, 10:33 pm |
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<srehrlich@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Peter Pan wrote:
>
> That is precisely the problem, and I'm glad I'm not alone :-) I can
> dial any other number, as long as it is not preceeded with a # sign.
>
> I am using a Palm 5-based Sony Clie and a Motorola v60s connected with
> a DC-powered cable from TheSupplyNet. It looks like a Windows-based
> dialer sends some special info to the phone via DUN, where a PDA is
> lacking that ability. Maybe there is an escape character sent...
>
> In any event, if we could collectively figure it out, we could then
> take advantage of #777. Otherwise, I may just opt to invest in a
> cheap dialup ISP, thus spending a little money and bypass Verizon's own
> modem bank, though I'd rather keep the change ;-)
>
> If anyone has a dialing solution to gain access to #777, please let it
> be known.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Scott
>
You might want to try dialing the country code... (i.e. 1#777) and see if
that works. Or... figure out what the "pause" string is for your PDA and
precede with that. Say is was a comma (i.e. ,#777).
-Frank
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| Peter Pan 2006-07-27, 10:33 pm |
| srehrlich@gmail.com wrote:
> Peter Pan wrote:
>
> That is precisely the problem, and I'm glad I'm not alone :-) I can
> dial any other number, as long as it is not preceeded with a # sign.
>
> I am using a Palm 5-based Sony Clie and a Motorola v60s connected with
> a DC-powered cable from TheSupplyNet. It looks like a Windows-based
> dialer sends some special info to the phone via DUN, where a PDA is
> lacking that ability. Maybe there is an escape character sent...
>
> In any event, if we could collectively figure it out, we could then
> take advantage of #777. Otherwise, I may just opt to invest in a
> cheap dialup ISP, thus spending a little money and bypass Verizon's
> own modem bank, though I'd rather keep the change ;-)
>
> If anyone has a dialing solution to gain access to #777, please let it
> be known.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Scott
As far as I can tell (without downloading the manual), looks like the Clie
has Bluetooth.. Have you considered upgrading your phone to one that has
bluetooth (and supports dialing profiles), then you could use the PDA to
dial (maybe/hopefully/see caveats.. I tried using BT with my pda to connect
to my cellphone, and it let me use the #777... However, it is an HP iPAQ
4155 (with built in bluetooth), and a hacked (to allow full functionality)
Motorola e815... so I can only say it works for that combo...
From my investigation/learning by hacking/etc, it isn't a character (or
numbers) that is sent at all, but a command to the phone to connect to a
memory location (the #777 is NOT a real number, it is just a way for humnas
to see something that makes sense)..
If you do have bluetooth in your clie, then that is one option (although
requires an upgraded phone), or an alternative, if you do go to a dial-up
ISP, socket (http://www.socketcom.com/product/CM7100-510.asp) makes a
bluetooth dial-up modem (I use it once in a while in hotels to let my PDA
connect over the phone line to my ISP when there is no wifi available)
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| rocxspam 2006-07-27, 10:33 pm |
| srehrlich@gmail.com wrote:
> Peter Pan wrote:
>
>
>
> That is precisely the problem, and I'm glad I'm not alone :-) I can
> dial any other number, as long as it is not preceeded with a # sign.
>
> I am using a Palm 5-based Sony Clie and a Motorola v60s connected with
> a DC-powered cable from TheSupplyNet. It looks like a Windows-based
> dialer sends some special info to the phone via DUN, where a PDA is
> lacking that ability. Maybe there is an escape character sent...
>
> In any event, if we could collectively figure it out, we could then
> take advantage of #777. Otherwise, I may just opt to invest in a
> cheap dialup ISP, thus spending a little money and bypass Verizon's own
> modem bank, though I'd rather keep the change ;-)
>
> If anyone has a dialing solution to gain access to #777, please let it
> be known.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Scott
>
I am doing something like this with a Zire 72 (and Zire 71 before that),
which is also Palm OS 5.x, to connect via infrared to a Nokia 6236i, and
it works great - much easier to set up than was Windows XP (for me -
cable works fine though ;-).
In "Prefs" I defined a connection named "IrDA Modem 1x" for it with -
"Connect to: Modem", and
"Via: Infrared" (other options I see are BT and Cradle/Cable, so
guessing the cradle/cable is what you need).
Under "Details" I specify an init string unique to a number of Nokias,
"AT+crm=1;cso=33", which gets me on the 1x network (without a separate
data plan - just have the EN for GetItNow and MobileWeb, etc.).
I then set up a Network entry specifying
Service:IrDa Modem 1x
User Name: <my 10-digit cell #>@vz3gw.com
Password: vzw
Phone: #777
and it works like a champ.
Presumably with the right init string for the V60s you should get a
response to #777. It could well be the AT$QCMDR=2 for Q2N or AT$QCMDR=3
for 1xRTT mentioned by the other responders - just dunno how that phone
"responds" to that sting, but I do know the AT$QCMDR=3 is useless with
my Nokia, and kept getting bogus error messages about "invalid password"
(thinking the AT$QCMDR=2 with user/pw = qnc/qnc did work for Q2N access
when I first tried that, but then it simply may have been ignored, and
the Q2N access was a default of the Nokia ...). I have read of a lot of
"seam" hacking needed for Moto's, so that is beyond me (and one reason I
decided to stay away from them, and do my "New/2" upgrade to yet another
Nokia from a 3589i - like the new smaller bar form factor better than
flip anyway ;-).
HTH,
ROC
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| srehrlich@gmail.com 2006-07-28, 4:33 am |
| I read your post in another forum, too. I tried the init strings you
show, and they didn't work, either. And the v60s does not have IR nor
BT, nor any accessories to enable the phone to support them (like the
270c has a bluetooth battery cover).
So, it soon will be either find a working init string or pay for an ISP
in the meantime...
Thanks, keep the ideas coming!
Scott
> I am doing something like this with a Zire 72 (and Zire 71 before that),
> which is also Palm OS 5.x, to connect via infrared to a Nokia 6236i, and
> it works great - much easier to set up than was Windows XP (for me -
> cable works fine though ;-).
>
> In "Prefs" I defined a connection named "IrDA Modem 1x" for it with -
> "Connect to: Modem", and
> "Via: Infrared" (other options I see are BT and Cradle/Cable, so
> guessing the cradle/cable is what you need).
> Under "Details" I specify an init string unique to a number of Nokias,
> "AT+crm=1;cso=33", which gets me on the 1x network (without a separate
> data plan - just have the EN for GetItNow and MobileWeb, etc.).
>
> I then set up a Network entry specifying
>
> Service:IrDa Modem 1x
> User Name: <my 10-digit cell #>@vz3gw.com
> Password: vzw
> Phone: #777
>
> and it works like a champ.
>
> Presumably with the right init string for the V60s you should get a
> response to #777. It could well be the AT$QCMDR=2 for Q2N or AT$QCMDR=3
> for 1xRTT mentioned by the other responders - just dunno how that phone
> "responds" to that sting, but I do know the AT$QCMDR=3 is useless with
> my Nokia, and kept getting bogus error messages about "invalid password"
> (thinking the AT$QCMDR=2 with user/pw = qnc/qnc did work for Q2N access
> when I first tried that, but then it simply may have been ignored, and
> the Q2N access was a default of the Nokia ...). I have read of a lot of
> "seam" hacking needed for Moto's, so that is beyond me (and one reason I
> decided to stay away from them, and do my "New/2" upgrade to yet another
> Nokia from a 3589i - like the new smaller bar form factor better than
> flip anyway ;-).
>
> HTH,
> ROC
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| rocxspam 2006-07-28, 10:33 pm |
| I never know who sees what I post where, so I repeat myself too much -
sorry bout that ;-}
However, you did not mention the "Via:" cradle/cable connection option I
suggested - did you give that a try?
One other group of settings I did not mention (this last time ;-) was in
"details" under the Network entry, you should have
"Connection type: PPP"
"Query DNS" should be checked
"IP Address [_] Automatic" should be checked
That phone modem init string seems to be vital, and unfortunately it
seems to be poorly/inconsistently documented from brand to brand, and
model to model. Although I would think as long as the v60 series has
been around (think that was my 1st Verizon phone 2 years ago, but traded
it within 1st week for a Nokia ;-), it should be well-documented ...
somewhere.
Can you set up a test connection to just send a "AT?" command (and maybe
some variants with AT like "ATDT" - check basic Hayes modem commands I
guess) to see if that even gets the phone to respond to modem commands?
Good luck.
ROC
srehrlich@gmail.com wrote:
> I read your post in another forum, too. I tried the init strings you
> show, and they didn't work, either. And the v60s does not have IR nor
> BT, nor any accessories to enable the phone to support them (like the
> 270c has a bluetooth battery cover).
>
> So, it soon will be either find a working init string or pay for an ISP
> in the meantime...
>
> Thanks, keep the ideas coming!
>
> Scott
>
>
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| Scott Ehrlich 2006-07-28, 10:33 pm |
| In article < aanhc2duut3j0ageg8v0
p1f80mdtur00r5@4ax.com>,
Rich <rk911@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:26:53 -0600, "Frankster" <Frank@SPAM2TRASH.com>
>wrote:
>
>
>that would be correct for the 1X network. for the slower Quick-2-Net
>the user ID and password are qnc. the Q2N modem init string is
>AT$QCMDR=2.
>
>if the OP is not in a native verizon area he will not be able to
>connect to the faster 'national access' network.
>
>but it sounds like the PDA is not recognizing the phone as a modem
>since the phone "refuses to respond". have you checked the modem list
>in the 'phones and modem options' in the XP control panel to see if
>your phone is listed?
>
>73,
>rich, n9dko
The phone is recognized as a modem, so long as the phone number dialed
is not preceeded with a # sign.
In answer to another post about bluetooth, the v60s does not support it,
nor infrared, just cable. There is a Sony Bluetooth memory stick
available for the Clie, and I'm planning to use it and a new BT phone when
my contract expires at the end of the year...
I ended up signing with fry's as an ISP, which offers 3 months of free
usage, then $10/month afterwards. This gets me on the net with the Clie
until I get the BT phone, and I should then be able to at least cut the
cord, and maybe dial out via #777. If not, at least I can go wireless.
Thanks to all.
Scott
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