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Can you please help me, my daughters life may depend upon it

geight7@yahoo.com

2007-10-17, 12:33 pm

Please help me if you can... someone!!!! I feel so terrible. This is a
cell phone question so please read on. I think that my adorable sweet
daughter has gotten involved with drugs and maybe worse and I need to
know. I ask her about it and she shuts me out. Though this may not be
such an honorable thing to do I want to check her voicemails to find
out how bad it is. I have her password to get access but I don't want
her phone to ring when I call in since she always answers it. (she may
be selling drugs too) There must be another number to call or another
way to get into voicemail like there is with my Cingular service
though I can't find it. PLEASE, PLEASE, if anyone knows how I can do
this PLEASE HELP ME! You may help me save my daughters life. She is my
only baby and I so need to do something before it's too late for her.

Bert Hyman

2007-10-17, 12:33 pm

geight7@yahoo.com () wrote in
news:1192638435.896396.198080@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com:

> There must be another number to call or another
> way to get into voicemail like there is with my Cingular service
> though I can't find it.

http://www6.verizon.com/vmlookup/vmlookup.asp

"Voice Mail Access Number Lookup"

--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | bert@iphouse.com

Agent_C

2007-10-17, 3:33 pm

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 09:27:15 -0700, geight7@yahoo.com wrote:

>Please help me if you can... someone!!!! I feel so terrible. This is a
>cell phone question so please read on. I think that my adorable sweet
>daughter has gotten involved with drugs and maybe worse and I need to
>know. I ask her about it and she shuts me out. Though this may not be
>such an honorable thing to do I want to check her voicemails to find
>out how bad it is. I have her password to get access but I don't want
>her phone to ring when I call in since she always answers it. (she may
>be selling drugs too) There must be another number to call or another
>way to get into voicemail like there is with my Cingular service
>though I can't find it. PLEASE, PLEASE, if anyone knows how I can do
>this PLEASE HELP ME! You may help me save my daughters life. She is my
>only baby and I so need to do something before it's too late for her.

Not buying it. Sounds like the rantings of a lunatic...

A_C

William Sheehan, Jr.

2007-10-17, 3:33 pm

Seems to me that a stop into a local vzw store would solve this problem if
you are legit or call to 611 on any Verizon phone!!

<geight7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1192638435.896396.198080@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> Please help me if you can... someone!!!! I feel so terrible. This is a
> cell phone question so please read on. I think that my adorable sweet
> daughter has gotten involved with drugs and maybe worse and I need to
> know. I ask her about it and she shuts me out. Though this may not be
> such an honorable thing to do I want to check her voicemails to find
> out how bad it is. I have her password to get access but I don't want
> her phone to ring when I call in since she always answers it. (she may
> be selling drugs too) There must be another number to call or another
> way to get into voicemail like there is with my Cingular service
> though I can't find it. PLEASE, PLEASE, if anyone knows how I can do
> this PLEASE HELP ME! You may help me save my daughters life. She is my
> only baby and I so need to do something before it's too late for her.
>

Cubit

2007-10-17, 10:33 pm

After checking my own voicemail, I seem to recall an option being offered to
check another voicemail box, or something.

<geight7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1192638435.896396.198080@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> Please help me if you can... someone!!!! I feel so terrible. This is a
> cell phone question so please read on. I think that my adorable sweet
> daughter has gotten involved with drugs and maybe worse and I need to
> know. I ask her about it and she shuts me out. Though this may not be
> such an honorable thing to do I want to check her voicemails to find
> out how bad it is. I have her password to get access but I don't want
> her phone to ring when I call in since she always answers it. (she may
> be selling drugs too) There must be another number to call or another
> way to get into voicemail like there is with my Cingular service
> though I can't find it. PLEASE, PLEASE, if anyone knows how I can do
> this PLEASE HELP ME! You may help me save my daughters life. She is my
> only baby and I so need to do something before it's too late for her.
>

George

2007-10-17, 10:33 pm

geight7@yahoo.com wrote:
> Please help me if you can... someone!!!! I feel so terrible. This is a
> cell phone question so please read on. I think that my adorable sweet
> daughter has gotten involved with drugs and maybe worse and I need to
> know. I ask her about it and she shuts me out. Though this may not be
> such an honorable thing to do I want to check her voicemails to find
> out how bad it is. I have her password to get access but I don't want
> her phone to ring when I call in since she always answers it. (she may
> be selling drugs too) There must be another number to call or another
> way to get into voicemail like there is with my Cingular service
> though I can't find it. PLEASE, PLEASE, if anyone knows how I can do
> this PLEASE HELP ME! You may help me save my daughters life. She is my
> only baby and I so need to do something before it's too late for her.
>
If this is an honest request and your daughter is a druggie and in
denial there is very little you will be able to do about it except get
professionals involved who may be able to help.

If she is a dealer get the police involved and if it is the first time
the system will attempt to set her straight.

Thomas T. Veldhouse

2007-10-18, 10:33 am

geight7@yahoo.com wrote:
> Please help me if you can... someone!!!! I feel so terrible. This is a
> cell phone question so please read on. I think that my adorable sweet
> daughter has gotten involved with drugs and maybe worse and I need to
> know. I ask her about it and she shuts me out. Though this may not be
> such an honorable thing to do I want to check her voicemails to find
> out how bad it is. I have her password to get access but I don't want
> her phone to ring when I call in since she always answers it. (she may
> be selling drugs too) There must be another number to call or another
> way to get into voicemail like there is with my Cingular service
> though I can't find it. PLEASE, PLEASE, if anyone knows how I can do
> this PLEASE HELP ME! You may help me save my daughters life. She is my
> only baby and I so need to do something before it's too late for her.
>

You are the Parent damn it! Be one! Take the phone and listen to the voice
mail. Right in front of her if that is what it takes. Bad parenting with
absolutely no parental authority will result in a child with no boundries.
Perhaps your Daughter KNOWS that she will get away with it. In short, TAKE
THE DAMN PHONE AND CHECK THE VOICEMAIL.

--
Thomas T. Veldhouse

Ninety percent of the politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation.
-- Henry Kissinger

geight7@yahoo.com

2007-10-18, 12:33 pm

I did try that and there wasn't an access number for 203-767. It just
said "Sorry, we found no match for that number." Now what? I called
Verizon and they tell me there is no other access number available.
There must be a way

On Oct 17, 1:05 pm, Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:
> geig...@yahoo.com () wrote innews:1192638435.896396.198080@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
>
>
> http://www6.verizon.com/vmlookup/vmlookup.asp
>
> "Voice Mail Access Number Lookup"
>
> --
> Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | b...@iphouse.com

geight7@yahoo.com

2007-10-18, 12:33 pm

Thank you so much for your suggestion! I may have to get my own
Verizon phone account and try this. Once you get into voicemail when
or how does it get to offering to check another voicemail box? Can you
tell me? I tried the "Voice Mail Access Number Lookup" and it says,
"Sorry, we found no match for that number." and when I call Verizon
they tell me there is no access number. So at what point in voicemail
does it ask to check another voicemail box?

On Oct 17, 5:03 pm, "Cubit" <n...@not.not> wrote:
> After checking my own voicemail, I seem to recall an option being offered to
> check another voicemail box, or something.
>
> <geig...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1192638435.896396.198080@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
> - Show quoted text -

The Ghost of General Lee

2007-10-18, 12:33 pm

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 09:27:15 -0700, geight7@yahoo.com wrote:

>Please help me if you can... someone!!!! I feel so terrible. This is a
>cell phone question so please read on. I think that my adorable sweet
>daughter has gotten involved with drugs and maybe worse and I need to
>know. I ask her about it and she shuts me out. Though this may not be
>such an honorable thing to do I want to check her voicemails to find
>out how bad it is. I have her password to get access but I don't want
>her phone to ring when I call in since she always answers it. (she may
>be selling drugs too) There must be another number to call or another
>way to get into voicemail like there is with my Cingular service
>though I can't find it. PLEASE, PLEASE, if anyone knows how I can do
>this PLEASE HELP ME! You may help me save my daughters life. She is my
>only baby and I so need to do something before it's too late for her.

I thought Connecticut had laws against what you are looking to do,
like CT Statute Chapter 952, Sec. 53a-188, et. al.

saddad

2007-10-18, 12:33 pm

I guess I've been a bit frantic. This has been going on for a while
now and I'm at my witts end. I don't want to make accusations without
some proof. Things are strained enough between us as it is. I thought
that if I knew some of the facts I'd be able to confront her without
simply making assumptions. That's why I wanted to hear the messages.
It would be tough if not impossible for her to deny it when confronted
this way. Then again, she might have some seroius trust issues with me
after she learned I played her messages. I'm praying on this and hope
a solution comes soon before she gets hurt or in big trouble. How do I
bring in the cops until I have some proof>

On Oct 17, 6:00 pm, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> geig...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> If this is an honest request and your daughter is a druggie and in
> denial there is very little you will be able to do about it except get
> professionals involved who may be able to help.
>
> If she is a dealer get the police involved and if it is the first time
> the system will attempt to set her straight.

The Ghost of General Lee

2007-10-18, 12:33 pm

On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:44:59 -0700, saddad <geight7@yahoo.com> wrote:

>How do I
>bring in the cops until I have some proof

Call them and explain the situation to them. They'll tell you what
you and they can and cannot do.

saddad

2007-10-18, 12:33 pm

I don't know that there is a law against it my friend. All I know is I
have to try anything within reason to try and keep her from ending up
in an awfully bad place. I've been very stressed about this and I feel
I need to intervene somehow. If I had even some solid evidence to back
up my suspicions I might try to arrange an intervention. Maybe there
is a way other than hearing her messages. Perhaps someone has some
experience that can help me out there. Thanks for writing.

On Oct 18, 12:35 pm, The Ghost of General Lee <gh...@general.lee>
wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 09:27:15 -0700, geig...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> I thought Connecticut had laws against what you are looking to do,
> like CT Statute Chapter 952, Sec. 53a-188, et. al.

saddad

2007-10-18, 12:33 pm

I did call Verizon and they just tell me there is no other way it can
be done. She got the phone on her own and they say that they cannot
help.

On Oct 18, 12:56 pm, The Ghost of General Lee <gh...@general.lee>
wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:44:59 -0700, saddad <geig...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Call them and explain the situation to them. They'll tell you what
> you and they can and cannot do.

music53OUTOUT@earthlink.net

2007-10-18, 12:33 pm

On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:44:59 -0700, saddad
<geight7@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I guess I've been a bit frantic. This has been going on for a while
>now and I'm at my witts end. I don't want to make accusations without
>some proof.

If she is under 18, YOU are in charge and legally
responsible for her actions. Take away her cell phone.
Take away her car keys. Take away her home privileges. Make
her take a drug test at random times. Take away all "perks."
Join a "tough love" group for support. And her husband must
be on board to present a united front to your daughter.
Show her you mean business. You are not her "friend," you
are her authority. And if you have any suspicions about
drug use, call the cops.

Good luck.

The Ghost of General Lee

2007-10-18, 12:33 pm

On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:57:15 -0700, saddad <geight7@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Oct 18, 12:35 pm, The Ghost of General Lee <gh...@general.lee>
>wrote:
>
>I don't know that there is a law against it my friend.

Yes, there is. I gave you the statute number. Look it up for
yourself. You are posting from a server that belongs to the State of
Connecticut's Department of Information Technology. Certainly someone
there can help you with a simple statute search.

>All I know is I
>have to try anything within reason to try and keep her from ending up
>in an awfully bad place.

It sounds like she's already there. You committing another crime
isn't going to mitigate that.

>I've been very stressed about this and I feel
>I need to intervene somehow. If I had even some solid evidence to back
>up my suspicions I might try to arrange an intervention.

If an intervention is all you seek, you don't need any solid evidence.
Just have the intervention.

>Maybe there
>is a way other than hearing her messages. Perhaps someone has some
>experience that can help me out there. Thanks for writing.

Call the cops and explain the situation to them. Continuing to expect
newsgroup participants to assist you in breaking state wiretapping
laws isn't the answer.

The Ghost of General Lee

2007-10-18, 12:33 pm

On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:00:42 -0700, saddad <geight7@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>On Oct 18, 12:56 pm, The Ghost of General Lee <gh...@general.lee>
>wrote:
>
>I did call Verizon and they just tell me there is no other way it can
>be done. She got the phone on her own and they say that they cannot
>help.

I mean for you to call Verizon, I meant call the POLICE. I left the
context intact above.

saddad

2007-10-18, 12:33 pm

I thought this would be so simple. My Cingular service has a separate
number to call for voicemail. I'll figure this out, with or without
help from the techys. Until your faced with this I doubt you have any
idea what it's like watching your only child slowly heading for
destruction.

On Oct 18, 1:10 pm, The Ghost of General Lee <gh...@general.lee>
wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:57:15 -0700, saddad <geig...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Yes, there is. I gave you the statute number. Look it up for
> yourself. You are posting from a server that belongs to the State of
> Connecticut's Department of Information Technology. Certainly someone
> there can help you with a simple statute search.
>
>
> It sounds like she's already there. You committing another crime
> isn't going to mitigate that.
>
>
> If an intervention is all you seek, you don't need any solid evidence.
> Just have the intervention.
>
>
> Call the cops and explain the situation to them. Continuing to expect
> newsgroup participants to assist you in breaking state wiretapping
> laws isn't the answer.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

2007-10-18, 12:33 pm

saddad wrote:
> I thought this would be so simple. My Cingular service has a separate
> number to call for voicemail. I'll figure this out, with or without
> help from the techys. Until your faced with this I doubt you have any
> idea what it's like watching your only child slowly heading for
> destruction.
>

Be a parent and confiscate the phone. It's either that or fess up on
why your really *asking* for help here(my $$$$ is on mobile phone mischief)

saddad

2007-10-18, 12:33 pm

That's a drastic step. I didn't want police involved unless I was
totally sure. I'll call without giving my name and ask for their
suggestions. I'm sure if I bring them in on this that they can surely
get to her messages. I bet law enforcement does this all the time.
Only government and law enforcement can break the law or do an end run
around it. I'm also calling a private detective. If there is a legal
way or otherwise I'm sure they would know it.

On Oct 18, 1:11 pm, The Ghost of General Lee <gh...@general.lee>
wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:00:42 -0700, saddad <geig...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I mean for you to call Verizon, I meant call the POLICE. I left the
> context intact above.

Dennis Ferguson

2007-10-18, 3:33 pm

On 2007-10-17, Bert Hyman <bert@iphouse.com> wrote:
> geight7@yahoo.com () wrote in
> news:1192638435.896396.198080@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com:
>
>
> http://www6.verizon.com/vmlookup/vmlookup.asp
>
> "Voice Mail Access Number Lookup"

That's for Verizon land lines. I don't think Verizon Wireless
phones have a separate access numbers (Cingular phones do, but that's
a difference between GSM and CDMA).

Dennis Ferguson

XS11E

2007-10-18, 3:33 pm

"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote:

> You are the Parent damn it! Be one! Take the phone and listen to
> the voice mail. Right in front of her if that is what it takes.
> Bad parenting with absolutely no parental authority will result in
> a child with no boundries. Perhaps your Daughter KNOWS that she
> will get away with it. In short, TAKE THE DAMN PHONE AND CHECK
> THE VOICEMAIL.

Hold it, how old is the daughter? If she's legally an adult a parent
has absolutly NO right to do as you suggest.

I didn't see the daughter's age in the original post...

--
XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project:
http://improve-usenet.org

George

2007-10-18, 3:33 pm

saddad wrote:
> I guess I've been a bit frantic. This has been going on for a while
> now and I'm at my witts end. I don't want to make accusations without
> some proof. Things are strained enough between us as it is. I thought
> that if I knew some of the facts I'd be able to confront her without
> simply making assumptions. That's why I wanted to hear the messages.
> It would be tough if not impossible for her to deny it when confronted
> this way. Then again, she might have some seroius trust issues with me
> after she learned I played her messages. I'm praying on this and hope
> a solution comes soon before she gets hurt or in big trouble. How do I
> bring in the cops until I have some proof>
>
Simple, call them and ask. Most cops are familiar with the behavior of
addicts and can offer suggestions.

George

2007-10-18, 3:33 pm

music53OUTOUT@earthl
ink.net wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:44:59 -0700, saddad
> <geight7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> If she is under 18, YOU are in charge and legally
> responsible for her actions. Take away her cell phone.
> Take away her car keys. Take away her home privileges. Make
> her take a drug test at random times. Take away all "perks."
> Join a "tough love" group for support. And her husband must
> be on board to present a united front to your daughter.
> Show her you mean business. You are not her "friend," you
> are her authority. And if you have any suspicions about
> drug use, call the cops.
>
> Good luck.
>
All good advice.

George

2007-10-18, 3:33 pm

saddad wrote:
> I don't know that there is a law against it my friend. All I know is I
> have to try anything within reason to try and keep her from ending up
> in an awfully bad place. I've been very stressed about this and I feel
> I need to intervene somehow. If I had even some solid evidence to back
> up my suspicions I might try to arrange an intervention. Maybe there
> is a way other than hearing her messages. Perhaps someone has some
> experience that can help me out there. Thanks for writing.
>
You need to take charge and be the parent in the family. If she gets
offended about you being interested in her welfare it is clear that you
don't have a relationship with her so nothing is lost.

Thomas T. Veldhouse

2007-10-18, 3:33 pm

XS11E <xs11e@mailinator.com> wrote:
>
> Hold it, how old is the daughter? If she's legally an adult a parent
> has absolutly NO right to do as you suggest.
>
> I didn't see the daughter's age in the original post...
>

It is not a criminal activity to demand to hear the voicemail if the daughter
happens to be an adult, but yes, and adult child does change things. The
context of the message to me it seemed clear that we are talking a minor child
dependent.

--
Thomas T. Veldhouse

Ninety percent of the politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation.
-- Henry Kissinger

The Ghost of General Lee

2007-10-18, 10:33 pm

On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:18:22 -0700, saddad <geight7@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Until your faced with this I doubt you have any
>idea what it's like watching your only child slowly heading for
>destruction.

Don't bet on it. My voice of experience has told you (now for the
third time) to call the police, explain the situation to them, and get
their advice. You have no clue as to my life experiences, so don't
speculate.

Cubit

2007-10-18, 10:33 pm

Well, when I checked it, I found that it offers to "send" a message to
another verizon voicemail box. I could not find a way to enter the box.

I have a feeling there is probably a way to do it, once you get to the
voicemail box, but I don't know what to press.

Sorry.

<geight7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1192723113.719276.58070@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> Thank you so much for your suggestion! I may have to get my own
> Verizon phone account and try this. Once you get into voicemail when
> or how does it get to offering to check another voicemail box? Can you
> tell me? I tried the "Voice Mail Access Number Lookup" and it says,
> "Sorry, we found no match for that number." and when I call Verizon
> they tell me there is no access number. So at what point in voicemail
> does it ask to check another voicemail box?
>
> On Oct 17, 5:03 pm, "Cubit" <n...@not.not> wrote:
>
>

The Ghost of General Lee

2007-10-18, 10:33 pm

On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:24:42 -0700, saddad <geight7@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>On Oct 18, 1:11 pm, The Ghost of General Lee <gh...@general.lee>
>wrote:
>

First, please quit top posting. It's getting old fixing your screwed
up posts while trying to *help you*.

>That's a drastic step.

No, it isn't. They'd much rather hear it from you and have your
assistance with the matter than to deal with her in the commission of
some other crime.

>I didn't want police involved unless I was
>totally sure.

You don't need to be totally sure. That's the cops' job. She may
already be on their radar.

>I'll call without giving my name and ask for their
>suggestions. I'm sure if I bring them in on this that they can surely
>get to her messages. I bet law enforcement does this all the time.

Yes, with probable cause and a search warrant.

>Only government and law enforcement can break the law or do an end run
>around it.

Getting a search warrant in compliance with CT Rules of Criminal
Procedure is not "breaking the law" or "doing an end run" around it.

>I'm also calling a private detective. If there is a legal
>way or otherwise I'm sure they would know it.

Yeah, good luck with that. Be sure to tell them what you posted here.
I'd bet they would enjoy the laugh.

saddad

2007-10-19, 10:33 am

Thank you so much for trying and for your compassion an emphaty. Since
I posted this there has been so little of that and little
understanding. God bless you my friend.

On Oct 18, 5:56 pm, "Cubit" <n...@not.not> wrote:
> Well, when I checked it, I found that it offers to "send" a message to
> another verizon voicemail box. I could not find a way to enter the box.
>
> I have a feeling there is probably a way to do it, once you get to the
> voicemail box, but I don't know what to press.
>
> Sorry.
>
> <geig...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1192723113.719276.58070@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - Show quoted text -

saddad

2007-10-19, 10:33 am

On Oct 18, 4:57 pm, The Ghost of General Lee <gh...@general.lee>
wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:24:42 -0700, saddad <geig...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> First, please quit top posting. It's getting old fixing your screwed
> up posts while trying to *help you*.
>
>
> No, it isn't. They'd much rather hear it from you and have your
> assistance with the matter than to deal with her in the commission of
> some other crime.
>
>
> You don't need to be totally sure. That's the cops' job. She may
> already be on their radar.
>
>
> Yes, with probable cause and a search warrant.
>
>
> Getting a search warrant in compliance with CT Rules of Criminal
> Procedure is not "breaking the law" or "doing an end run" around it.
>
>
> Yeah, good luck with that. Be sure to tell them what you posted here.
> I'd bet they would enjoy the laugh.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

So you want it down here. Fine with me. I do appreciate your postings
for me. It may just come to that. It does seem a little though that
you are mostly logical and unfeeling. There are so many hardened
hearts in the world. I continue my search.

XS11E

2007-10-19, 10:33 am

saddad <geight7@yahoo.com> wrote:

> So you want it down here. Fine with me.

Thanks, it's proper usenet proceedure.

http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/dont.html

> It does seem a little though that you are mostly logical and
> unfeeling. There are so many hardened hearts in the world.

Many people feel that way when someone asks for means to circumvent the
law, I agree with them.

--
XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project:
http://improve-usenet.org

The Ghost of General Lee

2007-10-19, 10:33 am

On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 07:18:23 -0700, saddad <geight7@yahoo.com> wrote:

>It does seem a little though that
>you are mostly logical and unfeeling.

So? How well has emotionalism and illogical thought helped you with
this problem so far? None, I'll bet. And just because you approach a
problem logically doesn't mean you are unfeeling. It just means you
don't let your emotions overrule logic. If I were truly unfeeling, I
wouldn't have bothered to reply to your first post, because I simply
wouldn't have cared.

George

2007-10-19, 12:33 pm

The Ghost of General Lee wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 07:18:23 -0700, saddad <geight7@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> So? How well has emotionalism and illogical thought helped you with
> this problem so far? None, I'll bet. And just because you approach a
> problem logically doesn't mean you are unfeeling. It just means you
> don't let your emotions overrule logic. If I were truly unfeeling, I
> wouldn't have bothered to reply to your first post, because I simply
> wouldn't have cared.
>
Unfortunately people who are enablers view everyone who doesn't agree
with the behavior that got them and the addict to where they are as
being cruel and heartless. Tough love is the only thing that works to
fix things but enablers don't get it.

XS11E

2007-10-19, 3:33 pm

George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> Unfortunately people who are enablers view everyone who doesn't
> agree with the behavior that got them and the addict to where they
> are as being cruel and heartless. Tough love is the only thing
> that works to fix things but enablers don't get it.

The main question in my mind is are we dealing with an enabler trying
to help his daughter or are we dealing with a crook trying to find a
way to get access to another persons phone?

Having a naturally suspicious mind I suspect the latter.

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George

2007-10-20, 10:33 am

XS11E wrote:
> George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> The main question in my mind is are we dealing with an enabler trying
> to help his daughter or are we dealing with a crook trying to find a
> way to get access to another persons phone?
>
> Having a naturally suspicious mind I suspect the latter.
>
>
>
Agree, thats why I gave "enabler correct" answers.

Peter Pan

2007-10-21, 4:33 am

George wrote:
> XS11E wrote:
> Agree, thats why I gave "enabler correct" answers.

Ditto on the latter.... There was one statement that made me 99.99999999%
sure he was up to nefarious purposes/deeds....
"I have her password to get access but I don't want her phone to ring when I
call in since she always answers it".......

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