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I ordered a new Blackberry Pearl...
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| ....yesterday directly from Verizon and will have it tomorrow. Sorry to those
fans of one, but I checked out the new Voyager and did not find it exciting.
I thought the Pearl had some unique character to it, I love my phones small,
I found the screen to be clear and bright, and I thought the trackball idea
worked well. Primarily, I wanted to be able to ditch my Dell Axim after
these past couple of years and thought a small 'smartphone' with internet
access might be right up my alley.
However, with all the new technology that's breaking through currently, I
decided to NOT renew my contract as I don't want to be locked in to Vz for
the next two years, so I bought the phone for the full price. It is on sale
now, so wasn't that bad in price and I just decided to bite the bullet and
leave my options open.
Unfortunately for me, being a techno-phile, I can't shake the iPhone
gadgetry from my mind and want to see where that technology goes. An iPhone
with PDA functionality would definitely attract my attention.
Wish me luck! (oh, by the way, they offer a 30 day money-back guarantee, so
it's hard to go wrong).
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| Larry 2007-12-06, 10:33 pm |
| "Carl" < crothman@NOSPAMopton
line.net> wrote in news:pkU5j.21
$DF4.15@newsfe09.lga:
> An iPhone
> with PDA functionality would definitely attract my attention.
>
Garnet Virtual Machine for the Nokia Nseries tablets do?...(c;
If you're a Palm user, you'll feel right at home after it boots.
Here's what it looks like:
http://www.pocketables.net/2007/11/running-garnet-.html
even makes the same sounds as a Palm and the handscribe input is
the same. Adds most all the Palm catalog of software, even what
you already have, to the Nokia Nseries tablet functionality.
Hotsync to Palm Desktop is seamless. The N800 hotsync needs the
IP or hostname of the Palm Desktop computer on your router. Once
it leans where the desktop is, it's automatic. I made a hole to
its access port through my Netgear router to route the call when
I'm away from home. The only difference is you use your router's
WAN port IP instead of 192.168.1.2 on the LAN. Works great from
anywhere after that's setup.
Oh, so far, Garnet VM is freeware.....like most N800 software
from the open source community.
This webpage shows you how to install and use it with great
screenshots. I'm begging Garnet to ROTATE the palm display to
fullscreen mode and make it FILL THE SCREEN with the buttons
under it, instead of leaving over half the N800 widescreen just
blue. That would make the palm display much bigger and easier to
use....
Larry
--
Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you
you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems?
http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v
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| Larry wrote:
> "Carl" < crothman@NOSPAMopton
line.net> wrote in news:pkU5j.21
> $DF4.15@newsfe09.lga:
>
>
> Garnet Virtual Machine for the Nokia Nseries tablets do?...(c;
> If you're a Palm user, you'll feel right at home after it boots.
>
> Here's what it looks like:
> http://www.pocketables.net/2007/11/running-garnet-.html
> even makes the same sounds as a Palm and the handscribe input is
> the same. Adds most all the Palm catalog of software, even what
> you already have, to the Nokia Nseries tablet functionality.
>
> Hotsync to Palm Desktop is seamless. The N800 hotsync needs the
> IP or hostname of the Palm Desktop computer on your router. Once
> it leans where the desktop is, it's automatic. I made a hole to
> its access port through my Netgear router to route the call when
> I'm away from home. The only difference is you use your router's
> WAN port IP instead of 192.168.1.2 on the LAN. Works great from
> anywhere after that's setup.
>
> Oh, so far, Garnet VM is freeware.....like most N800 software
> from the open source community.
>
> This webpage shows you how to install and use it with great
> screenshots. I'm begging Garnet to ROTATE the palm display to
> fullscreen mode and make it FILL THE SCREEN with the buttons
> under it, instead of leaving over half the N800 widescreen just
> blue. That would make the palm display much bigger and easier to
> use....
>
> Larry
No question that is a neat little phone. Thanks for pointing it out to me.
This would never have come to my attention, though, under normal
circumstance.
Meantime, I got my Pearl yesterday, and after spending most of a day with
it, I have to admit it's neat little device. It synced with Outlook
flawlessly. It took a couple of calls to tech support (both Vz and BB) to
get the browser and email up and running properly, but once it got there,
they work just fine. I am a little disappointed that the web browsing is not
FULL web browsing ala iPhone, but scaled-down PDA versions of web sites, and
it cannot, therefore access all sites, but it doesn a good job for what it
was designed to do and access is fast.
It is one cute, but functional little device.
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| George 2007-12-08, 2:53 pm |
| Carl wrote:
> Larry wrote:
>
> No question that is a neat little phone. Thanks for pointing it out to me.
> This would never have come to my attention, though, under normal
> circumstance.
>
But it isn't a phone. The problem with it is that you need to be Batman
and have your phone and it hanging on your belt.
> Meantime, I got my Pearl yesterday, and after spending most of a day with
> it, I have to admit it's neat little device. It synced with Outlook
> flawlessly. It took a couple of calls to tech support (both Vz and BB) to
> get the browser and email up and running properly, but once it got there,
> they work just fine. I am a little disappointed that the web browsing is not
> FULL web browsing ala iPhone, but scaled-down PDA versions of web sites, and
> it cannot, therefore access all sites, but it doesn a good job for what it
> was designed to do and access is fast.
>
> It is one cute, but functional little device.
>
>
>
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| "Carl" < crothman@NOSPAMopton
line.net> wrote in
news:475a7dcc$0$3206
2$607ed4bc@cv.net:
> I am a little disappointed that the web browsing is not
> FULL web browsing ala iPhone, but scaled-down PDA versions of
web
> sites, and it cannot, therefore access all sites, but it doesn
a good
> job for what it was designed to do and access is fast.
>
Oops...oops...The iPhone isn't a full web browser, either. It
doesn't do javascript, Flash, JAVA, or have any plugins. That's
why YouTube was coaxed into putting up special webpages for it so
they could play YouTube movies, which are normally Flash movies.
It's more of a browser than the Pearl, but not a full browser,
either.
I looked to see if Opera had a version for Blackberry on:
http://www.opera.com/products/mobile/products/
but no Blackberry's are listed. Sorry. The N800 uses Opera 8
for Linux, but still lacks AJAX and JAVA support which haven't
been ported to Maemo Linux, yet. Our new OS2008 Maemo Linux,
that's a free upgrade to N800 users, moved to a Firefox browser
from Mozilla. I'm not sure which is better. I've put both
engines on OS2007's browser and can switch between them. The
Mozilla engine is faster, mainly because it does no server-based
conversions that Opera does for its mobile users. Opera will
render more stuff because of it. Sure wish they'd turn Java
weather movies into Flash with it....or if NOAA would move up to
Flash from the old Java radar movies they're using now.
The Pearl is a neat little device. Just hope your carrier didn't
delete too many features, a real sore point with me from any of
them.
Larry
--
Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you
you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems?
http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v
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| George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in
news:5oydnfgwo9q0G8f
anZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@co
mcast.com:
> But it isn't a phone. The problem with it is that you need to
be Batman
> and have your phone and it hanging on your belt.
>
>
>
No, the problem is figuring out which pocket I stuck the FLAT
MotoROKR Z6M in. My E815 flipphone was thick enough you could
feel where it was in a pocket. The slidephone is so thin it
hides behind my glasses in a shirt pocket. I never hang anything
from a belt. My belly is already there!...(c;...and doesn't
appreciate the competition for bandwidth! I'm only afraid I'm
going to lose the ROKR or not notice it dropped out of my pocket
in some store when I'm leaning over a counter. I keep feeling
for it to make sure it's still there.
It beats holding your laptop up to your head to make a phone call
HANDS DOWN....especially if your iPhone laptop DOESN'T support
your BT headset! How stupid that was!
Larry
--
Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you
you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems?
http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v
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| Todd Allcock 2007-12-08, 10:33 pm |
| At 08 Dec 2007 06:19:33 -0500 Carl wrote:
> I am a little disappointed that the web browsing is not FULL web
> browsing ala iPhone, but scaled-down PDA versions of web sites,
> and it cannot, therefore access all sites, but it doesn a good
> job for what it was designed to do and access is fast.
Does Verizon remove the Java virtual machine from their BB's? If not, go
to mini.opera.com on the BB and download Opera Mini 4- it gives you an
iPhone style "full browser." It displays the whole page in miniature, and
then you select the content to zoom in on.
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| Todd Allcock 2007-12-08, 10:33 pm |
| At 08 Dec 2007 16:27:12 +0000 Larry wrote:
> I'm only afraid I'm
> going to lose the ROKR or not notice it dropped out of my pocket
> in some store when I'm leaning over a counter.
That wouldn't be a problem if you stopped staring down the salesgals'
blouses pretending to look at the products they're hustling! ;-)
> It beats holding your laptop up to your head to make a phone call
> HANDS DOWN....especially if your iPhone laptop DOESN'T support
> your BT headset! How stupid that was!
The iPhone works with mono BT headsets just fine. It doesn't support BT
stereo headphones (which, IMO is pretty stupid considering it's main
feature is the integrated iPod.)
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| Larry wrote:
> "Carl" < crothman@NOSPAMopton
line.net> wrote in
> news:475a7dcc$0$3206
2$607ed4bc@cv.net:
>
>
> Oops...oops...The iPhone isn't a full web browser, either. It
> doesn't do javascript, Flash, JAVA, or have any plugins. That's
> why YouTube was coaxed into putting up special webpages for it so
> they could play YouTube movies, which are normally Flash movies.
>
> It's more of a browser than the Pearl, but not a full browser,
> either.
>
>
> I looked to see if Opera had a version for Blackberry on:
> http://www.opera.com/products/mobile/products/
> but no Blackberry's are listed. Sorry. >
> The Pearl is a neat little device. Just hope your carrier didn't
> delete too many features, a real sore point with me from any of
> them.
>
Ok, good points. Makes me feel even better about the Pearl. And thanks for
looking for Opera for me. Too bad they're not there with the Blackberry's
yet. My carrier is Vz. I don't know if they deleted any features but
everything I need seems to work.
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| Todd Allcock < elecconnec@AmericaOn
Line.com> wrote in news:fjfahv
$v5d$2@aioe.org:
> That wouldn't be a problem if you stopped staring down the
salesgals'
> blouses pretending to look at the products they're hustling! ;-)
>
>
Hey! Wachit! They're beautiful!...(c;
Being over 60 is just like being over 20....except you have MONEY
to spend on her, now....(c; It just gits better'n better.
Larry
--
Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you
you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems?
http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v
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| "Carl" < crothman@NOSPAMopton
line.net> wrote in
news:475b57e8$0$3857
$607ed4bc@cv.net:
> Ok, good points. Makes me feel even better about the Pearl. And
thanks
> for looking for Opera for me. Too bad they're not there with
the
> Blackberry's yet. My carrier is Vz. I don't know if they
deleted any
> features but everything I need seems to work.
>
>
Someone else says Opera Mini 8 works on Blackberry, but it's not
listed on the website. Can't hurt to try it...(c;
Larry
--
Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you
you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems?
http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v
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| Todd Allcock 2007-12-09, 4:33 am |
| At 08 Dec 2007 21:48:02 -0500 Carl wrote:
> Ok, good points. Makes me feel even better about the Pearl. And thanks
for
> looking for Opera for me. Too bad they're not there with the Blackberry's
> yet.
Opera makes two mobile browsers- Opera Mobile, which isn't available for BBs,
and Opera MINI, which is, since it runs in the JVM (Java Virtual Machine)
of any Java-enabled phone. http://mini.opera.com
I did a quick Google search and a few threads on forums.crackberry.com seem
to confirm it works on VZW BBs.
Give it a try- I don't use it as my "everyday" browser, but it's nice as a
backup for sites that the phone's native browser can't render, or if you
need the "desktop version" of a site instead of the mobile one.
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| Larry 2007-12-09, 10:33 am |
| Todd Allcock < elecconnec@AmericaOn
Line.com> wrote in
news:fjg6qs$2g4$1@ai
oe.org:
> At 08 Dec 2007 21:48:02 -0500 Carl wrote:
>
And[color=darkred]
> for
>
> Opera makes two mobile browsers- Opera Mobile, which isn't
available
> for BBs, and Opera MINI, which is, since it runs in the JVM
(Java
> Virtual Machine) of any Java-enabled phone.
http://mini.opera.com
>
>
> I did a quick Google search and a few threads on
forums.crackberry.com
> seem to confirm it works on VZW BBs.
>
> Give it a try- I don't use it as my "everyday" browser, but
it's nice
> as a backup for sites that the phone's native browser can't
render, or
> if you need the "desktop version" of a site instead of the
mobile one.
>
>
>
One of the great things Opera has right is its server-based
webpage processor. When you click on a URL, Opera sends its URL
to the processor at Opera to see if it has a more appropriate-
for-tiny-mobiles webpage stored in the massive array. If it
does, it simply checks the website for changes and updates what
changed (say the weather data) then sends you the better webpage
a tiny fraction of a second after you would have gotten the one
you called for. What you see is a better webpage than you would
have gotten all covered with frames and spam you couldn't render
properly. If you call up a new URL, Opera's server evaluates the
page and downloads it over its massive bandwidth, processes it
and sends you the results, storing it for X time in case someone
else calls for it.
The server does different things to different Opera editions to
optimize the pages for the type of device. I bought Opera way
back when they started when you had to pay for it. It was worth
it, then, and is certainly worth it's free price now.
Larry
--
Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you
you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems?
http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v
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| George 2007-12-09, 10:33 am |
| Carl wrote:
>
> Ok, good points. Makes me feel even better about the Pearl. And thanks for
> looking for Opera for me. Too bad they're not there with the Blackberry's
> yet. My carrier is Vz. I don't know if they deleted any features but
> everything I need seems to work.
>
>
>
At least the later Blackberries have a full internal GPS which is
disabled as a "courtesy" for VZW customers.
Not a Blackberry thing but I was surprised that at least the later
Novotel USB data "cards" have a built in GPS. My buddy got one as a
replacement for an older card that was erratic. We noticed that the
installer added a virtual COM port for the GPS. We called Novotel and
they confirmed there is a receiver in the device. We asked why it didn't
seem to be sending any data out of the COM port and he said "seems like
you don't have the Sprint version.."
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| Larry wrote:
> Todd Allcock < elecconnec@AmericaOn
Line.com> wrote in
> news:fjg6qs$2g4$1@ai
oe.org:
>
> And
> available
> (Java
> http://mini.opera.com
> forums.crackberry.com
> it's nice
> render, or
> mobile one.
>
> One of the great things Opera has right is its server-based
> webpage processor. When you click on a URL, Opera sends its URL
> to the processor at Opera to see if it has a more appropriate-
> for-tiny-mobiles webpage stored in the massive array. If it
> does, it simply checks the website for changes and updates what
> changed (say the weather data) then sends you the better webpage
> a tiny fraction of a second after you would have gotten the one
> you called for. What you see is a better webpage than you would
> have gotten all covered with frames and spam you couldn't render
> properly. If you call up a new URL, Opera's server evaluates the
> page and downloads it over its massive bandwidth, processes it
> and sends you the results, storing it for X time in case someone
> else calls for it.
>
> The server does different things to different Opera editions to
> optimize the pages for the type of device. I bought Opera way
> back when they started when you had to pay for it. It was worth
> it, then, and is certainly worth it's free price now.
>
>
> Larry
Wow it must be slow if it has to go through all of that just to call up
a small page like google...
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| Jon <Jon@Cebridge.net> wrote in news:fjhdoh$prs$5
@registered.motzarella.org:
> Wow it must be slow if it has to go through all of that just to
call up
> a small page like google...
>
>
Not at all. maybe a hundred extra milliseconds? Works great.
Larry
--
Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you
you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems?
http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v
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| Todd Allcock 2007-12-09, 10:33 pm |
| At 09 Dec 2007 14:34:16 +0000 Larry wrote:
> One of the great things Opera has right is its server-based
> webpage processor.
That's true of Opera Mini, not Opera Mobile. Mini runs all traffic through
a server which compresses the page and any graphics (saving time and
bandwidth- great for slow or metered connections.)
Opera Mobile is a "real" browser that doesn't run through Opera's servers.
This is an advantage for security reasons, if you prefer not to, say, run
your bank website's password through Opera, for example! ;-)
> The server does different things to different Opera editions to
> optimize the pages for the type of device. I bought Opera way
> back when they started when you had to pay for it. It was worth
> it, then, and is certainly worth it's free price now.
Mini is free, and Mobile runs about $30.
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| Larry 2007-12-10, 10:33 am |
| Todd Allcock < elecconnec@AmericaOn
Line.com> wrote in
news:fjidu6$28d$2@ai
oe.org:
> That's true of Opera Mini, not Opera Mobile. Mini runs all
traffic
> through a server which compresses the page and any graphics
(saving
> time and bandwidth- great for slow or metered connections.)
>
Ah, I didn't know that. I thought all the mobiles ran through it
to rid the pages of the crap that's on them, more than making up
for the processing time to remove it.
Larry
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Merry Christmas!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Qi_NhFS4xEE
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| Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 08 Dec 2007 21:48:02 -0500 Carl wrote:
>
> for
>
> Opera makes two mobile browsers- Opera Mobile, which isn't available
> for BBs, and Opera MINI, which is, since it runs in the JVM (Java
> Virtual Machine)
> of any Java-enabled phone. http://mini.opera.com
>
>
> I did a quick Google search and a few threads on
> forums.crackberry.com seem to confirm it works on VZW BBs.
>
> Give it a try- I don't use it as my "everyday" browser, but it's nice
> as a backup for sites that the phone's native browser can't render,
> or if you need the "desktop version" of a site instead of the mobile
> one.
>
Holy crap! I can't believe how great this is. I downloaded/installed it. It
works fine and makes my Pearl VERY iPhone-like in its internet browsing
behavior.
I can't thank you both enough. Long live usenet! :-)
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| "Carl" < crothman@NOSPAMopton
line.net> wrote in news:475d80c4$0$5953
$607ed4bc@cv.net:
> I can't thank you both enough. Long live usenet! :-)
>
It would be a terrible thing if usenet became silent....
Larry
--
Merry Christmas!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Qi_NhFS4xEE
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| Todd Allcock 2007-12-10, 10:33 pm |
| At 10 Dec 2007 13:09:43 -0500 Carl wrote:
> Holy crap! I can't believe how great this is. I downloaded/installed
> it. It works fine and makes my Pearl VERY iPhone-like in its internet
> browsing behavior.
>
> I can't thank you both enough. Long live usenet! :-)
It's a pleasure!
I have nothing against the iPhone- it's a nice piece of equipment, but I
feel it's been crippled to please Apple's corporate bedfellows (cell
cariers and the music industry.)
What annoys me most (and this is no fault of Aopple!) is the lousy job the
cell industry has done getting out the word about what modern-day devices
can do, since many people think all these "cool features" are unique to (or
even first offered) on the iPhone.
I rremember my wife's reaction to the first iPhone ad (the one where the
phone displays "Pirates of the Caribbean," switches to Google Maps to look
up the nearest seafood restaurant then calls it.) She watched the ad and
then said "your phone does all that..."
Now tat you're enjoying Opera Mini, head over to m.google.com/gmm and
wls.live.com on the BB to try Google Maps and Windows Live Search mapping
programs to see which one you like best.
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| 4phun 2007-12-10, 10:33 pm |
| On Dec 8, 6:54 am, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Carl wrote:
>
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> But it isn't a phone. The problem with it is that you need to be Batman
> and have your phone and it hanging on your belt.
Everyone I know with a iTouch or iPhone carries them in their shirt
pocket as they are so compact and light. Where did some fool get the
idea people carried them on their belt?
Thick phones like Nextel, Envee, and Voyager go in a belt holster
along with many of those thick HTC PDA type phones.
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| Larry 2007-12-10, 10:33 pm |
| Todd Allcock < elecconnec@AmericaOn
Line.com> wrote in news:fjkgvm
$vcm$1@aioe.org:
> m.google.com/gmm
Ha! Thanks, Todd!
I just downloaded the Palm OS Googlemaps.prc file and hot sync'd
it to the Garnet Palm Virtual Machine in my N800 tablet over
wifi. WORKS GREAT! It does a few search things that Maemo
Mapper won't do, yet. The Nokia Bluetooth GPS navigation kit
came with Navicore which does it all but you have to carry around
the SD card key to make it work, which sucks.
Now I can lookup a street with the Googlemaps Palm, directly,
without using rdesktop to run it from the PC back at the house.
I didn't know they had a Palm Google Maps. When I saw it, I
didn't figure it would work on this beta-verion Virtual Machine,
but it works first class...very fast, even over my Alltel
SELLphone data link.
Again, thanks....
This gets better'n better....(c;
Larry
--
Merry Christmas!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Qi_NhFS4xEE
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