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Verizon phones, SAR testing, etc.
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| I'm looking for a new phone. Verizon phones seem to not have the
lowest SAR values.
My current phones have an pop-up antenna. When they test SAR values
they hold the phone in 2 positions. Position 1, with the antenna away
from the head, and position 2 with the antenna towards the head. I use
my phones in position 1, so I expect to have much lower exposure to RF
than the test indicate--even when my phone is operating at its max
power level.
Do you know current Verizon phones with low SAR values?
Do you know where I can find SAR values for position 1?
Thanks,
David
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| "David" <myusenetacct@gmail.com> wrote in news:1174013781.807254.269400
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> Verizon phones seem to not have the
> lowest SAR values.
>
Way too funny. Carriers now have the phones' output power turned down to
..15 watts. It's NOTHING! It's certainly not dangerous, even stuck
directly in your ear! ANY TV or FM broadcast station has WAY MORE signal
at your head than your cellphone....and has had for years.
Want to see how DANGEROUS RF is? Boot Google Earth
(http://earth.google.com if you don't have it.)
Tell Google Earth you want to see:
Robin Ln, Hamburg, NY 14075
To the West of Robin Ln, built into the swamp where Robin Ln, meets Big
Tree Rd, you'll see a light brown colored antenna farm that's used to be
WKBW-AM-FM-TV, Buffalo 1, NY back when I was a kid. It's called WKKB, I
think, today. Now, look at the 3 towers on the south side of this
stations property...there are three towers right in line, the line points
ENE. These three towers are the transmitting antennas for a 50,000 watt
major broadcast station, whose blowtorch of a signal shoots out over NY
State from the end of Lake Erie. This array INTENSIFIES the signal,
beaming it ENE in one direction, directly off the ENE end of the towers.
Now, Click up Google Earth's measuring stick after you zoom in on the
little cul-de-sac Robin Ln is part of in a nice, suburban neighborhood
full of adults, kids, dogs, cats and a few goldfish, I'm sure. Click the
measuring device on that last tower of the 3 on the ENE end of this HUGE
AM radio station. Drag the measuring cursor over towards Robin Ln, in
line with all this massive RF beasts output, which in AM is right on the
ground, not 2000' above your head. Drag this in line to the first house
on the West side of Robin Ln. To the middle of the back yard where their
kids play is ONLY 400 ft!....off the BUSINESS end of America's most
powerful AM radio station...24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a
year!
What do you think the RF field strength is at the kid's swing set? In
the living room of this FRAME house? Do they need to turn the garage
lights on to make the bulb burn? When they tune across 1520 Khz on Mom's
Kitchen radio, does tuning it to KB's carrier frequency make the radio
burst into flames?! I doubt anyone in the whole neighborhood can listen
to another AM station...(c; This is a REALLY intense field! 50,000
watts all pouring out the end of that array!....right into little Mikey's
bedroom! He doesn't need a nightlight. His room GLOWS in the DARK!
And you're worried about the TINY transmitter in a cellphone?
Absurd....it's only on the air for a fraction of a second every few
seconds and only when you're talking on it! It doesn't heat ANYTHING.
Boot Google and enter HAARP into the search engine. That's what the
government's doing to you. REALLY scary stuff! Be VERY afraid.
Larry
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| Larry <noone@home.com> wrote in news:Xns98F4EFA09BD4
7noonehomecom@
208.49.80.253:
> WKBW-AM
Oops...It's WWKB, now.
Just for fun, I looked up the AM at the FCC office which is on:
http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/amq?list=0&facid=34383
From the FCC data, it looks like peak signal strength 1KM from the
antenna peak is about 4.4 VOLTS per meter...at 1KM from the towers.
Now, if we use the inverse square law backwards on that, those folks'
living room is 145 meters from the last tower's radiation. so it would
be the square of 1000/145 = 47.56 X the 4.4V/meter at 1KM = 209
VOLTS/meter (the voltage on a 1 meter antenna wire)...right there by
Dad's recliner in front of the TV!
I wonder if little Suzy, who'll be 8 this Spring, gets a sunburn, even at
Christmas? I'd love to see the REAL, untainted, Lukemia, Cancer,
Cataract, Bone Marrow Cancer rates across this whole neighborhood since
it was built, not so long ago. The station dates back into the 30's when
these towers were way out in the country and these people built up around
them. I wonder what tumors 209 VOLTS/meter causes in that house?
I'm a ham radio operator. I'm supposed to do a radiation survey study of
what my antennas put into the neighbor's houses to show the FCC
bureaucrats, should they ever wonder. I wonder what WWKB's study looks
like. Hmm...not sure if that's on the net...(c;
I bet little Suzy can hear WWKB's talk radio on all the phones in the
house!
Larry
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Roll up to the long checkout line....
Yell, "ICE RAID!"
It's your turn to load the grocery belt...(c;
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| Art Harris 2007-03-16, 12:33 pm |
| Larry wrote:
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> From the FCC data, it looks like peak signal strength 1KM from the
> antenna peak is about 4.4 VOLTS per meter...at 1KM from the towers.
>
> Now, if we use the inverse square law backwards on that, those folks'
> living room is 145 meters from the last tower's radiation. so it would
> be the square of 1000/145 = 47.56 X the 4.4V/meter at 1KM = 209
> VOLTS/meter (the voltage on a 1 meter antenna wire)...right there by
> Dad's recliner in front of the TV!
>
Ah, but the allowable exposure at low frequencies (like 1.5 MHz) is
much greater because there's much less absorption in the body.
See:
http://www.deas.harvard.edu/courses...lth/fccregs.htm
http://www.rfsafetysolutions.com/IEEE_standard.htm
Not that modern cell phones present any real risk. But a 5-watt, 2-
meter HT is another story.
Art N2AH
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| The Other Funk 2007-03-16, 3:33 pm |
| Finding the keyboard operational
Larry entered:
> Larry <noone@home.com> wrote in news:Xns98F4EFA09BD4
7noonehomecom@
> 208.49.80.253:
>
>
> Oops...It's WWKB, now.
>
> Just for fun, I looked up the AM at the FCC office which is on:
> http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/amq?list=0&facid=34383
>
> From the FCC data, it looks like peak signal strength 1KM from the
> antenna peak is about 4.4 VOLTS per meter...at 1KM from the towers.
>
> Now, if we use the inverse square law backwards on that, those folks'
> living room is 145 meters from the last tower's radiation. so it
> would be the square of 1000/145 = 47.56 X the 4.4V/meter at 1KM = 209
> VOLTS/meter (the voltage on a 1 meter antenna wire)...right there by
> Dad's recliner in front of the TV!
>
> I wonder if little Suzy, who'll be 8 this Spring, gets a sunburn,
> even at Christmas? I'd love to see the REAL, untainted, Lukemia,
> Cancer, Cataract, Bone Marrow Cancer rates across this whole
> neighborhood since it was built, not so long ago. The station dates
> back into the 30's when these towers were way out in the country and
> these people built up around them. I wonder what tumors 209
> VOLTS/meter causes in that house?
>
> I'm a ham radio operator. I'm supposed to do a radiation survey
> study of what my antennas put into the neighbor's houses to show the
> FCC bureaucrats, should they ever wonder. I wonder what WWKB's study
> looks like. Hmm...not sure if that's on the net...(c;
>
> I bet little Suzy can hear WWKB's talk radio on all the phones in the
> house!
>
> Larry
Take a peek at 40 d 57' 40.00" N 73 d 55' 21.54" W. it's hard to see just
how big the thing is due to the angle of the photo.
This used to be the backup for the 3 major TV networks in NYC. I believe it
still is the backup now that the Empire State Building is the primary again.
Bob
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www.moondoggiecoffee.com
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| Art Harris 2007-03-16, 3:33 pm |
| "The Other Funk" wrote:
> Take a peek at 40 d 57' 40.00" N 73 d 55' 21.54" W. it's hard to see just
> how big the thing is due to the angle of the photo.
> This used to be the backup for the 3 major TV networks in NYC. I believe it
> still is the backup now that the Empire State Building is the primary again.
> Bob
Is that Major Armstrong's site in Alpine, NJ? Some of the NYC stations
used that for a while after 9/11.
Try:
48 d 51' 29" N 2 d 17' 41" E
Art
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| The Other Funk 2007-03-16, 10:33 pm |
| Finding the keyboard operational
Art Harris entered:
> "The Other Funk" wrote:
>
> Is that Major Armstrong's site in Alpine, NJ? Some of the NYC stations
> used that for a while after 9/11.
>
> Try:
> 48 d 51' 29" N 2 d 17' 41" E
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> Art
Yep, that's Maj. Armstrong's tower. It used to be that just about every New
York TV station used the Empire State Building and Alpine was the backup.
When therer was a hugh blackout in the 60s we had to turn the antenna
towards Alpine to figure out why Dad wasn't home from work. Then everything
moved to the World Trade center. About Sep 12 2001, Alpine was reactivated.
I should say that they tried. For a number of reasons, the ESB wasn't going
to be used and there was no equipment in Alpine.
There are still some major complaints about Alpine being maintained as a
transmission facility but I don't think we will ever see it completly
de-commissioned again
regarding 48 d 51' 29" N 2 d 17' 41" E, Get your eye altitude down to
about 1400 feet with Version 4. BTW there are cell antennas on it.
To follow up on Larry's broadcast antenna near people, enter Malcolm Ct.
Clifton NJ. Look a little SE and see how close the office building (which
is not the radio studio) is.
Bob
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www.moondoggiecoffee.com
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| "Art Harris" <n2ah@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1174065609.138326.75400
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> But a 5-watt, 2-
> meter HT is another story.
>
My dual band HT is an old, trusty Yaesu FT-727 beast with a big extended
battery. It runs 7W on 2M and 5W on 3/4M to a long ducky. It makes the
repeaters when others fail.
I used to run a modified Gonset VHF commercial amp into a pair of 4-
element Cushcraft beams on top of a Volkswagen bus, for many years. The
Gonset originally had a 4X150 final running off 1200VDC from a little
switcher. It put out about 125 watts with the engine running. I rebuilt
the power supply to 2600V and swapped the 4X150 for a 4X250B, an old
trick. There was plenty of room in the matching network tubing for the
change in plate impedance. Power out was around 280-290 watts to the
beams. 4 elem yagi is about 8db + 3db for the pair off a hardline
splitter. That put the ERP around 3KW and would light up a 4'
flourescent tube in your hand about 15 feet out in the main lobe.
Is that dangerous? I'm 61, now, and in good health, except, of course,
for being fat...(c; It just added to my lifetime of living in big RF
fields in ham radio, radio/TV broadcasting, Navy electronics including
some pretty impressive RADARs. I'm planning on getting even with the
government about the Socialist Security ripoff since I was 12. RF has
kept me alive!...(c;
73 DE W4CSC aka KN4IM aka WB4THE aka WN2IWH back in '57. I was 11.
I had a 20W CB call back in the late 50's when it went to 11 meters, too!
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| "The Other Funk" <bobbie@moondoggie.com> wrote in
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> Finding the keyboard operational
> Larry entered:
>
>
> Take a peek at 40 d 57' 40.00" N 73 d 55' 21.54" W. it's hard to see
> just how big the thing is due to the angle of the photo.
> This used to be the backup for the 3 major TV networks in NYC. I
> believe it still is the backup now that the Empire State Building is
> the primary again. Bob
Isn't she beautiful?! Wow...look at all those candelabra arms....(c;
One of the most impressive stations in the South is WSM on 650 in
Nashville, home of the Grand Ole Opry and country music. WSM uses the
same Blau-Knox monster tower she used back in the 30's, beautifully
restored. She has an impressive signal from that diamond-shaped tower
radiator over the whole Eastern half of the country. They replaced the
old transmitter, of course, with a new Harris DX-50 making 50KW output
with only 55KW of AC power....not 150-200KW eating the light bill...
If you ever travel through Eastern North Carolina, do NOT miss stopping
in Greenville, NC, and visiting The Voice of America shortwave propaganda
station. Jim Hawkins has a great website for the techies:
http://hawkins.pair.com/voanc1.shtml
Jim also has the finest broadcast website from many years and many tours
from cooperative broadcast engineers from all over. VOA has a 500KW PWM
Continental 420B-1 prototype transmitter to replace its aging Marconis,
GEs and older Continental. I knew someone who worked in those HF fields
for years. It didn't kill him, the car accident did.
Tour Jim Hawkins' radio website and see them all. He even has
downloadable scans of the 500KW AM transmitter at WLW from back in the
30's. 500KW on regular AM broadcast band will reach out and touch
someone...(c; It didn't have a cooling pond....It had a cooling LAKE!
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| "The Other Funk" <bobbie@moondoggie.com> wrote in news:jcIKh.1761$FS5.705
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> which
> is not the radio studio
My old friend JD Black was chief engineer of WDIX on 1150 in Orangeburg,
SC, many years ago. WDIX is dark, now. She had a 5KW gates to a two
tower array, one tower on either side of the building. The ground
radials went through the basement for both towers.
DIX was owned by a mom and pop family in town and money was always tight.
So, when FCC ordered them to put up the two tower cardioid array to
protect a station on 1150 in Clinton, SC, JD stole the design of the
Gates phasor and the hams provided the RF components to homebrew it. It
was built on a 4X8 sheet of plywood next to the transmitter just outside
the studio and we had a "fair amount" of RF from both the radiation going
through the building and coming out of the unshielded phasor. You didn't
need to turn any flourescent lights in the office "on" if the transmitter
were running.
After being burned a few times on the telephone wires, also in the
basement, the telephone man refused to go down there any more. He'd tell
JD there was a dialtone at the street and to check it for himself.
WDIX burned to the ground in the wee hours of a morning back in the 90's,
I think it was. The 5KW Gates, so lovingly cared for, fell through the
burning floor into the basement. The station was bulldozed, complete
with towers, and a mall built on top of it.
If you stand in the middle of the mall where the building used to be, you
can STILL hear "WDIX in Dixie" coming up from below....at least us old
fogies can....(c; She might be dark, but is still on-the-air.
Larry
--
Roll up to the long checkout line....
Yell, "ICE RAID!"
It's your turn to load the grocery belt...(c;
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| Art Harris 2007-03-18, 10:33 am |
| "The Other Funk" wrote:
> Yep, that's Maj. Armstrong's tower. It used to be that just about every New
> York TV station used the Empire State Building and Alpine was the backup.
> When therer was a hugh blackout in the 60s we had to turn the antenna
> towards Alpine to figure out why Dad wasn't home from work. Then everything
> moved to the World Trade center.
It's interesting to note that when everything moved to WTC, Channel 2
was the only station to leave a backup system at Empire State. Some
thought this a foolish waste of money, but it paid big dividends in
the days after 9/11.
Yes, I remember the big blackout ('65?) very well.
And of course Armstrong is the greatest inventor that most people
(including many engineers) have never heard of.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Major...
rmstrong
Art Harris
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