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This is how Verizon Wireless helps employees whom they have laid off...
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| Nick Danger 2007-04-07, 12:33 pm |
| Offboarding? Is that anything like waterboarding? Giving you ten days to
transition to a "consumer account" (which I assume means cutting off your
employee discount) is a nice touch. It appears, from what they say in
Continuing Legal Obligations, that any skills you may have acquired while
at Verizon are their property, so you have to go to your next job as
"inexperienced." I'm sure you don't want to do anything to violate the VZW
Code of Conduct. Do they still give severance pay or do they now dock you
for the costs of the paperwork involved in your termination (oops - I mean
transition)?
Hehe - their online exit interview screen even displays their "We never stop
working for you" boast. I wonder what kind of responses they get on these
interviews? And their "Careers" webpage talks all about "owning your
career." Their "career video" appears to have accidentally omitted any
mention of the Offboarding process.
Seriously though, all of this is saddening but not surprising. I can
remember about 10-15 years ago when some of the big companies first started
terminating large numbers of professional employees, and they tried to keep
it secret and hide behind euphemisms and assuage their guilt with generous
severance packages. Now they seem proud and absolutely gleeful about it.
Catbert was supposed to be a caricature of the evil HR department, but now
he's more of an understatement of what's going on in the Real World.
btw: How many additional millions will the CEO get in his bonus this year as
a result of these cutbacks?
Good Luck with your post-VZW life. I hope this ends up leading to a better
career.
"Surplused" < vzwscrews@itsemploye
es.com> wrote in message
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>I was given this URL to help me "transition" after being laid off due to
> cutbacks.
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> https://hrms.apps.verizonwireless.c...rding/index.htm
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> Anyone else see how helpful this site is?
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| On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 13:05:35 -0400, "Nick Danger"
<yourname@yourdomain.com> graced this newsgroup with:
>Offboarding? Is that anything like waterboarding?
...that's actually a common term. It's the opposite of "on boarding"
> Giving you ten days to
>transition to a "consumer account" (which I assume means cutting off your
>employee discount) is a nice touch. It appears, from what they say in
>Continuing Legal Obligations, that any skills you may have acquired while
>at Verizon are their property, so you have to go to your next job as
>"inexperienced." I'm sure you don't want to do anything to violate the VZW
>Code of Conduct. Do they still give severance pay or do they now dock you
>for the costs of the paperwork involved in your termination (oops - I mean
>transition)?
....no, I assume that means any free internet/phone/tv accounts you may
have need to be moved over to a regular consumer account. What's so
wrong about that? That's exactly 10 days more than most anyone else
would give you. Why should a company continue to pay for employee
perks after an employee has left? That's just silly.
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>Hehe - their online exit interview screen even displays their "We never stop
>working for you" boast.
...uh no it doesn't.
> I wonder what kind of responses they get on these
>interviews? And their "Careers" webpage talks all about "owning your
>career." Their "career video" appears to have accidentally omitted any
>mention of the Offboarding process.
...it's a web site set up for anyone who may have questions conerning
leaving Verizon. What's wrong with that? Many companies have squat
exit for their "exit interview" and a paper handout.
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>Seriously though, all of this is saddening but not surprising. I can
>remember about 10-15 years ago when some of the big companies first started
>terminating large numbers of professional employees, and they tried to keep
>it secret and hide behind euphemisms and assuage their guilt with generous
>severance packages. Now they seem proud and absolutely gleeful about it.
...I didn't see anything in the OP's post nor on the website site that
indicated Verizon was "gleeful" about laying him off.
>Catbert was supposed to be a caricature of the evil HR department, but now
>he's more of an understatement of what's going on in the Real World.
...and now you're just making shit up.
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>btw: How many additional millions will the CEO get in his bonus this year as
>a result of these cutbacks?
...probably a ton...on that we agree.
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>Good Luck with your post-VZW life. I hope this ends up leading to a better
>career.
....anyone who thinks that just because they're a full time employee
somehow guarantees that they will never be laid off or fired is just
ignorant. In work, as in life, there are no guarantees.
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>"Surplused" < vzwscrews@itsemploye
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| Andrew White 2007-04-07, 3:33 pm |
| vzwscrews@itsemploye
es.com (Surplused) wrote:
>I was given this URL to help me "transition" after being laid off due to
>cutbacks.
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>https://hrms.apps.verizonwireless.c...rding/index.htm
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>Anyone else see how helpful this site is?
>
What exactly is wrong with this site? It appears to be perfectly
helpful for any employee leaving Verizon, voluntarily or not. I didn't
see anything offensive, insulting or otherwise negative on that site.
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| jgrove24@hotmail.com 2007-04-07, 10:33 pm |
| On Apr 7, 3:18 pm, Andrew White <nospam...@allowed.at.all.net> wrote:
> vzwscr...@itsemployees.com (Surplused) wrote:
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> What exactly is wrong with this site? It appears to be perfectly
> helpful for any employee leaving Verizon, voluntarily or not. I didn't
> see anything offensive, insulting or otherwise negative on that site.
Maybe the Bastards will drop those silly commercials with the streets
filled with workers..JG
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| jgrove24@hotmail.com 2007-04-07, 10:33 pm |
| On Apr 7, 9:46 am, vzwscr...@itsemployees.com (Surplused) wrote:
> I was given this URL to help me "transition" after being laid off due to
> cutbacks.
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> https://hrms.apps.verizonwireless.c...rding/index.htm
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> Anyone else see how helpful this site is?
Looks like any 6 digit emp # will start the survey...baboo
design..world class
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"Andrew White" <nospamers@allowed.at.all.net> wrote in message
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> vzwscrews@itsemploye
es.com (Surplused) wrote:
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> What exactly is wrong with this site? It appears to be perfectly
> helpful for any employee leaving Verizon, voluntarily or not. I didn't
> see anything offensive, insulting or otherwise negative on that site.
Hey, I like the way they treat the employees who dared to try to better
themselves through the verizon wireless educational assistance plan. Now
not only are you fired, but you have to pay verizon wireless back for all
the money they spent on your education. I wonder if they'd go so far as to
garnish wages after you get a new job? -Dave
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| Steve 2007-04-07, 10:33 pm |
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> "Andrew White" <nospamers@allowed.at.all.net> wrote in message
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> Hey, I like the way they treat the employees who dared to try to better
> themselves through the verizon wireless educational assistance plan. Now
> not only are you fired, but you have to pay verizon wireless back for all
> the money they spent on your education. I wonder if they'd go so far as
> to garnish wages after you get a new job? -Dave
Any backup for that?
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| >> Hey, I like the way they treat the employees who dared to try to better
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> Any backup for that?
How about the web site that started this thread?
"If you are enrolled in the Educational Assistance Plan at the time of
termination, you are responsible for reimbursing the Company for any
assistance/professional development benefits extended on your behalf"
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| Tim Smith 2007-04-07, 10:33 pm |
| In article < 46181de1$0$97229$892
e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net>,
"Dave" <noway@nohow.not> wrote:
> Hey, I like the way they treat the employees who dared to try to better
> themselves through the verizon wireless educational assistance plan. Now
> not only are you fired, but you have to pay verizon wireless back for all
> the money they spent on your education. I wonder if they'd go so far as to
> garnish wages after you get a new job? -Dave
Read it again. That's for people who are enrolled at the time they
leave. That doesn't seem that unreasonable.
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| Steve 2007-04-07, 10:33 pm |
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"Dave" <noway@nohow.not> wrote in message
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> How about the web site that started this thread?
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> "If you are enrolled in the Educational Assistance Plan at the time of
> termination, you are responsible for reimbursing the Company for any
> assistance/professional development benefits extended on your behalf"
I understood it was for active classes, not those previously taken. Since
most places reimburse after the class is completed, it should be a
non-issue.
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| Larry 2007-04-07, 10:33 pm |
| vzwscrews@itsemploye
es.com (Surplused) wrote in
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> /OffBoarding/
Now, THERE's a new corporate doublespeak I hadn't seen before!
I suppose it makes it cleaner than saying /XXXXYou/ in the URL...(c;
Larry
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| Larry 2007-04-07, 10:33 pm |
| vzwscrews@itsemploye
es.com (Surplused) wrote in
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> https://hrms.apps.verizonwireless.c...rding/index.htm
If you put in 6 or 7 numbers, these idiots will let you take the survey....
(c;
It all goes in the trash, anyways....touchyfeelygood survey crap.
Larry
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| Larry 2007-04-07, 10:33 pm |
| Max <max@nospam.net> wrote in news:cqpf135em5s1uav
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> ..and now you're just making shit up.
>
Boy, the company apologists are hot on the trail on THIS thread!....(c;
Very entertaining....(c;
Larry
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| Larry 2007-04-07, 10:33 pm |
| jgrove24@hotmail.com wrote in news:1175980127.358109.288860
@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
> Maybe the Bastards will drop those silly commercials with the streets
> filled with workers..JG
>
>
Did they lay off the little heroin addict in the black plastic glasses who
wears a Verizon jacket in August to cover up those tracks?
"YOU'RE FIRED!".........."Can you hear me now?....Good!"
Larry
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| balanco01@yahoo.com 2007-04-08, 4:33 am |
| On Apr 7, 11:54 am, Max <m...@nospam.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 13:05:35 -0400, "Nick Danger"
> <yourn...@yourdomain.com> graced this newsgroup with:
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> ..that's actually a common term. It's the opposite of "on boarding"
>
Cool. A punch in the face and a kick in the balls should be called
Forwardrounding
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| balanco01@yahoo.com 2007-04-08, 4:33 am |
| On Apr 7, 1:18 pm, Andrew White <nospam...@allowed.at.all.net> wrote:
> vzwscr...@itsemployees.com (Surplused) wrote:
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> What exactly is wrong with this site? It appears to be perfectly
> helpful for any employee leaving Verizon, voluntarily or not. I didn't
> see anything offensive, insulting or otherwise negative on that site.
It;s funny (in a very pathetic way) that they use terms like "off
boarding" for "given the boot" and
"Seperated Employees" for people who are terminated..
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"Tim Smith" < reply_in_group@mouse
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> In article < 46181de1$0$97229$892
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> "Dave" <noway@nohow.not> wrote:
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> Read it again. That's for people who are enrolled at the time they
> leave. That doesn't seem that unreasonable.
>
Well how are you going to enroll AFTER you leave? I suggest you read it
again. They aren't going to spend money on ex-employees, so their web site
clearly states in no uncertain terms that the fired employees now owe money
to verizon wireless. The bastards. -Dave
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> I understood it was for active classes, not those previously taken. Since
> most places reimburse after the class is completed, it should be a
> non-issue.
You could be right, but that's certainly not the way it reads
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| clifto 2007-04-08, 12:33 pm |
| Steve wrote:
> "Dave" <noway@nohow.not> wrote...
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> I understood it was for active classes, not those previously taken. Since
> most places reimburse after the class is completed, it should be a
> non-issue.
So let's say I'm an employee getting canned, and in January I enrolled in
a course that was covered and which ends in May. I fronted the money in
January, expecting to fill out the reimbursement forms in May. Please
tell me exactly what form "reimbursing the Company for any assistance/
professional development benefits extended on [my] behalf" will take?
Will I be paying them for the course they haven't yet paid me for?
--
Music hath charms to soothe the savage breast.
That's why stereo has two channels.
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> So what? When you participate in an education program which is paid for
> by your employer, the terms will be spelled out for you in advance.
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> No matter how it worked at Verizon, nobody was tricked.
>
> Instead of being bitter and hateful, you should be impressed they did
> offer their employees such a benefit.
What benefit? VZW is acting more like a loan shark, according to what is
written on the web page -Dave
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> My employer has a policy on paying back relocation fees. If they pay
> for your relocation and you don't even stay a year, you are responsible
> for paying 100% of it back. If you stay for more than a year, but less
> than 2 years, you are responsible for paying 50% of it back.
>
> That seems reasonable to me. An education policy similar to that would
> also seem reasonable.
....until you leave against your own will, that is
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| Nick Danger 2007-04-08, 10:33 pm |
| > ..it's a web site set up for anyone who may have questions conerning
> leaving Verizon. What's wrong with that? Many companies have squat
> exit for their "exit interview" and a paper handout.
I guess we're getting well conditioned to accept life in our brave new
world. I recall reading an article in the newpaper some time ago about how a
lot of employers now take advantage of the fact that time clocks and time
cards have been replaced by computers, so now managers can go into the
database and trim away a few recorded hours here and there from each
employee, and then they meet their targets and get a bonus and the employee
has no records to challenge it. This same article also pointed out that
McDonalds gives every employee a printout at the end of each shift, showing
the exact hours worked, so they have a record in writing. That's what we've
come to - now McDonalds is being cited as one of the more progresive
employers.
Yes - we've all heard lots of horror stories about employers who find clever
ways to shove it in a little deeper when they screw their employees, and I
have no doubt that Verizon is not the worst. But nevertheless, we are
talking about Verizon here. Offering a "transition benefit" of a website
that tells terminated employees what obligations they have to Verizon is, as
another recent transition victim would put it, "unhelpful."
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| Curtis CCR 2007-04-10, 4:33 am |
| On Apr 8, 5:59 am, "Dave" <n...@nohow.not> wrote:
> "Tim Smith" <reply_in_gr...@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
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> Well how are you going to enroll AFTER you leave? I suggest you read it
> again. They aren't going to spend money on ex-employees, so their web site
> clearly states in no uncertain terms that the fired employees now owe money
> to verizon wireless. The bastards. -Dave
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| Curtis CCR 2007-04-10, 4:33 am |
| On Apr 8, 5:59 am, "Dave" <n...@nohow.not> wrote:
> "Tim Smith" <reply_in_gr...@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
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> news:reply_in_group-7E10A0.17494907042007@news.supernews.com...
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> Well how are you going to enroll AFTER you leave? I suggest you read it
> again. They aren't going to spend money on ex-employees, so their web site
> clearly states in no uncertain terms that the fired employees now owe money
> to verizon wireless. The bastards. -Dave
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| Curtis CCR 2007-04-10, 4:33 am |
| On Apr 7, 11:54 am, Max <m...@nospam.net> wrote:
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> ...anyone who thinks that just because they're a full time employee
> somehow guarantees that they will never be laid off or fired is just
> ignorant. In work, as in life, there are no guarantees.
No kidding. Deal with it - you can work for someone else and be at
the mercy of their business decision, achieve in the company to be in
place where you are making the business decisions, or start your own.
But...
Things are sure different at Verizon Wireless than they were when I
was severed from Verizon Select Services in November 2005.
Now I had almost 17 years of service when all of my prior credited
time was added in...
I could have stayed with the company but would have had to relocate if
I wanted a comparable job. Under the terms of the severance package
offered at the time, I qualified for separation benefits since there
were no comparable jobs in my area.
I got two weeks pay for each year of service (even if you only had a
year with the company, the minimum benefit was six weeks pay). I got
33 weeks (and a couple of days). That was also considered my
severence benefit period. During that period Verizon paid 100% to
continue medical and dental benefits for my family. I still got my
annual incentive plan payment (prorated).
I was not getting education benefits, but I had a couple of direct
reports that were. The terms of the tuition program stated that you
had to complete your degree within the prescribed period or you had to
pay it back. If you left the company before you completed your
degree, you had to pay back what had been paid. No secret there - it
was in the terms of the program. However, under the program I left
under, I was told people leaving under that severence program didn't
have to pay back anything, but they didn't get any more (had to finish
school at their own expense)... but they could have legitmately been
required to pay it back.
It was pretty well known that Verizon was going to be cutting back on
the severence benefits in the future, and Wireless is a separate
company so the plans were different anyway, but the terms that appear
under "surplused's" terminations look really scaled back compared to
what I got less than two years ago.
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| Tim Smith 2007-04-10, 4:33 am |
| In article < 4618e6f4$0$97237$892
e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net>,
"Dave" <noway@nohow.not> wrote:
> "Tim Smith" < reply_in_group@mouse
-potato.com> wrote in message
> news:reply_in_group-7E10A0.17494907042007@news.supernews.com...
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> Well how are you going to enroll AFTER you leave? I suggest you read it
> again. They aren't going to spend money on ex-employees, so their web site
> clearly states in no uncertain terms that the fired employees now owe money
> to verizon wireless. The bastards. -Dave
Uhm...you seem a bit unfamiliar with how educational programs work.
Generally, courses take a finite time. You enroll before the start of
the course, attend the course until it is complete, and then you are
done. At that point, you are no longer enrolled.
Hence, Verizon appears to be saying that if they are paying for any
courses you are taking *at* *the* *time* *you* *leave*, you have to pay
them back for what they spent on those courses. It does not say that
they will make you pay back anything on courses that you have already
completed that they paid for.
This is quite reasonable.
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| Scott 2007-04-10, 10:33 pm |
| "Dave" <noway@nohow.not> wrote in
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> What benefit? VZW is acting more like a loan shark, according to what
> is written on the web page -Dave
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How do you figure? Verizon is not asking for any of the money doled out
during the course of employment for this benefit. In fact, it looks like
they are waiving any employment obligations (working for x months after
course completion) necessary to avoid repayment of the benefit.
You seem to overreacting just a tad.
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| Larry Bud 2007-04-10, 10:33 pm |
| On Apr 7, 10:46 am, vzwscr...@itsemployees.com (Surplused) wrote:
> I was given this URL to help me "transition" after being laid off due to
> cutbacks.
>
> https://hrms.apps.verizonwireless.c...rding/index.htm
>
> Anyone else see how helpful this site is?
What exactly are you expecting a company, whom you no longer work for,
to do for you?
A better question is WHY are you expecting a company, whom you no
longer work for, to do anything for you?
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| On 10 Apr 2007 16:35:28 -0700, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2002@yahoo.com>
graced this newsgroup with:
>On Apr 7, 10:46 am, vzwscr...@itsemployees.com (Surplused) wrote:
>
>What exactly are you expecting a company, whom you no longer work for,
>to do for you?
>
>A better question is WHY are you expecting a company, whom you no
>longer work for, to do anything for you?
exactly. The opposite question could be asked of the OP. What,
exactly, are *you* willing to do for a company that is no longer
paying you?
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| Larry 2007-04-10, 10:33 pm |
| "Curtis CCR" <curtisccr@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:1176184803.611678.225960@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
> start your own
Done, 1986. Left a GS-11/4 Electronic Technician Federal job and took my
retirement money in CSRS before the bastards stole it and "invested" it
in FERS (Socialist Security) for me.
Today's gross receipts was $4617 and change. I worked 7.2 hours for 3
customers, selling one of them a new Leslie Speaker Hammond Suzuki has
that's HOT!
http://hammondorganco.com/
Come listen to jazz organist Joey DeFrancesco playing at the 2007 NAMM
show on the home page. He's playing the new Suzuki B-3 and Leslie 971
300 watt monster. Wish I could play like that...(c;
Here was my little sale, today:
http://hammondorganco.com/971.htm
Plus the interface circuitry and installation when it gets here next
week. 300 watts is lots more than the old 122 tube amp at 40 watts. I
think it will blow the windows out of an AME church! Play one of the
demos. NOTHING sounds like a HAMMOND.
I make more money in a day than I did as a GS-11 step 4 in a week.....if
I choose to go to work, today...(c; We're going sailing on a new Jenneau
a friend just bought from Florida on Friday. I'm off....the "boss" said
I could be!
Larry
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| Larry Bud 2007-04-11, 7:33 am |
| On Apr 10, 10:02 pm, Max <m...@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 10 Apr 2007 16:35:28 -0700, "Larry Bud" <larrybud2...@yahoo.com>
> graced this newsgroup with:
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> exactly. The opposite question could be asked of the OP. What,
> exactly, are *you* willing to do for a company that is no longer
> paying you?
Yeah, I wonder how much free work he's doing for Verizon now that he
doesn't work there!
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