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Getting pictures out of a Verizon Motorola V325i handset
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| David Arnstein 2007-04-21, 10:33 pm |
| I have a new V325i and Verizon service. Occasionally, I use the crappy
little camera in the handset. But, I cannot get the pictures out of
the handset!
I have tried to email the picture out of the camera. I have tried two
email addresses. In each case, the handset tells me that the email
address is invalid.
Actually, I would prefer not to use email, because Verizon charges a
(small) fee for this.
I installed Motorola Phone Tools 4.0 and updated it over the internet.
I find that the multimedia function in the software is disabled. I
suspect that Verizon has done something to the V325i handset to
accomplish this.
< Memo to potential customers: Phone Tools is a piece of shit. It
repeatedly failed to update itself over the internet. I applied a
registry fix I found on a user forum, and rebooted. It still failed.
The solution was to keep trying, five times. Eventually, I got all the
updates applied. I think. >
I installed BitPim software, but it does not seem to support the V325i
handset.
I am out of ideas. Any suggestions? All I want to do is pull a stupid
JPEG file out of the handset.
--
David Arnstein (00)
arnstein+usenet@pobo
x.com {{ }}
^^
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| David Arnstein wrote:
> I have a new V325i and Verizon service. Occasionally, I use the crappy
> little camera in the handset. But, I cannot get the pictures out of
> the handset!
With a simple hack you can get all the functionality of the MPT software
to work, including transferring photos and ringtones over USB.
See "http://www.v710.org/mark/V710_SeemEdit.htm"
It's the exact same procedure for the V325, with the same 041A SEEM code.
However, you also must _manually_ configure Motorola Phone Tools to set
the phone to a V323m rather than the automatically detected V325. This
is what is often omitted from people's instructions.
Once in Phone Tools, do the following:
1. Press F6
2. Click on the "Communication Tab"
3. Click on "Change Modem"
4. Click on "Next"
5. Click on "Next"
6. Check the box that says "Do not automatically detect the driver.
Select from a list.
7. Click on "Next"
8. Click on "Motorola CDMA"
9. Select "V323m"
10. Click on "Next"
11. Click on "Finish"
If you do only the SEEM edit, then the Multimedia function still won't
work. If you do only the Motorola Phone Tools change, the Multimedia
function still won't work.
All of the above instructions were tried on a V325, not a V325i, but I'm
pretty confident that it doesn't matter which version you have.
The camera is indeed crappy. I don't know what it is about Motorola.
Some Nokia and Samsung phones have good cameras.
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| Larry 2007-04-21, 10:33 pm |
| arnstein@panix.com (David Arnstein) wrote in news:f0dvmc$mfh$1
@panix2.panix.com:
> I
> suspect that Verizon has done something to the V325i handset to
> accomplish this.
>
Not quite correct....It's ALL the Verizon handsets...disabled so you gotta
pay for your own pictures from your own phone.
Isn't that STUPID?!
www.alltel.com......(c;
No funny business
Larry
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| David Arnstein 2007-04-21, 10:33 pm |
| Thank you Steve. I altered a single bit in the handset's memory.
Following your procedure, I can now transfer photos out of the handset,
using Phone Tools software.
It was a fair amount of hacking. Now that I have spent the time to do
this, are there any other un-SEEM-ly hacks that I can do to this handset?
Anyway, I appreciate the information that you provided. Thanks again.
--
David Arnstein (00)
arnstein+usenet@pobo
x.com {{ }}
^^
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| David Arnstein 2007-04-21, 10:33 pm |
| In article < Xns9919D99678855noon
ehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>Not quite correct....It's ALL the Verizon handsets...disabled so you gotta
>pay for your own pictures from your own phone.
>
>Isn't that STUPID?!
Yes, I agree. Instead of providing the best product that they could,
Verizon opted to annoy their customers for a bit of extra revenue. It
reminds me of a certain large software company...
>www.alltel.com......(c;
>No funny business
I will check them out. Is their coverage any good? Do they use some
other commpany's radio towers?
else's radio towers?
--
David Arnstein (00)
arnstein+usenet@pobo
x.com {{ }}
^^
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| Drumstick 2007-04-21, 10:33 pm |
| In article < Xns9919D99678855noon
ehomecom@208.49.80.253>, noone@home.com
says...
> www.alltel.com......(c;
> No funny business
>
> Larry
>
Sorry, that's not my experience with Alltel...or Cingular. Verizon was
the lesser of all the other evils. That's why I only frequent this
cellular related newsgroup and have VZW service.
Drum-
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| David Arnstein wrote:
> Thank you Steve. I altered a single bit in the handset's memory.
> Following your procedure, I can now transfer photos out of the handset,
> using Phone Tools software.
>
> It was a fair amount of hacking. Now that I have spent the time to do
> this, are there any other un-SEEM-ly hacks that I can do to this handset?
>
> Anyway, I appreciate the information that you provided. Thanks again.
There was something I also changed to enable vibrate then ring, which
isn't normally available. Why Verizon decided to disable this function
is beyond me, unless they were trying to figure out a way to sell a
special ringtone that vibrated then rang!
See "http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=867473"
Verizon should be severely beaten for disabling these features.
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| Steven J. Sobol 2007-04-21, 10:33 pm |
| In article < f0eg51$am2$1@reader2
.panix.com>, David Arnstein wrote:
> I will check them out. Is their coverage any good? Do they use some
> other commpany's radio towers?
> else's radio towers?
They're one of the smaller majors. Even after their big purchase of
Western Wireless, they still primarily serve rural and smaller metro
areas.
As I've pointed out before, Cleveland, Ohio (my hometown, 25th most
populous city in the US) is probably the largest metro they serve.
Keep in mind that smaller and rural markets have always been Alltel's
bread and butter, both for wireless service and wireline (before they
spun off their wireline operations).
Having said that, if you can get Alltel where you live, they may
definitely be worth a try.
--
Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows
Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
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| xPosTech 2007-04-22, 4:33 am |
| On 4/21/2007 10:32 PM, Steven J. Sobol wrote:
> Keep in mind that smaller and rural markets have always been Alltel's
> bread and butter, both for wireless service and wireline (before they
> spun off their wireline operations).
>
That's not wireless and wireyes?
--
Ted
I wasn't born in Texas but
I got back here as soon as I could
(Don't forget to take out the trash)
Good judgment comes from experience,
and experience comes from bad judgment.
--Fred Brook
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| Steven J. Sobol 2007-04-22, 4:33 am |
| In article <8GBWh.3632$rO7.2775@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>, xPosTech wrote:
> That's not wireless and wireyes?
I don't know anyone who has wire eyes.
--
Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows
Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
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| xPosTech 2007-04-22, 4:33 am |
| On 4/22/2007 12:02 AM, Steven J. Sobol wrote:
> In article <8GBWh.3632$rO7.2775@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>, xPosTech wrote:
>
>
> I don't know anyone who has wire eyes.
>
>
WireLess and WireYes
--
Ted
I wasn't born in Texas but
I got back here as soon as I could
(Don't forget to take out the trash)
"How hard can it be?" -Kinky Friedman
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| xPosTech 2007-04-22, 4:33 am |
| On 4/22/2007 12:02 AM, Steven J. Sobol wrote:
> In article <8GBWh.3632$rO7.2775@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>, xPosTech wrote:
>
>
> I don't know anyone who has wire eyes.
>
> It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
Did you get your sig from the movie?
--
Ted
I wasn't born in Texas but
I got back here as soon as I could
(Don't forget to take out the trash)
Until you have the courage to lose sight of the shore,
you will not know the terror of being forever lost at sea.
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| George 2007-04-22, 7:33 am |
| Drumstick wrote:
> In article < Xns9919D99678855noon
ehomecom@208.49.80.253>, noone@home.com
> says...
> Sorry, that's not my experience with Alltel...or Cingular. Verizon was
> the lesser of all the other evils. That's why I only frequent this
> cellular related newsgroup and have VZW service.
>
> Drum-
Same here, used to be a Alltel customer and they had a very minimilist
approach to spending money on infrastructure. The best thing that
happened to this market is when they swapped my market with Verizon to
get another market.
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| Steven J. Sobol 2007-04-22, 12:33 pm |
| In article <vWDWh.3408$ns5.2080@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net>, xPosTech wrote:
> WireLess and WireYes
Oh. :) No, it's wireline. Could be WireYes, but I don't know that
anyone uses taht term...
--
Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows
Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
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| Steven J. Sobol 2007-04-22, 12:33 pm |
| In article <wZDWh.3409$ns5.1949@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net>, xPosTech wrote:
>
> Did you get your sig from the movie?
No.
--
Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows
Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
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| clifto 2007-04-22, 12:33 pm |
| Steven J. Sobol wrote:
> In article <vWDWh.3408$ns5.2080@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net>, xPosTech wrote:
>
>
> Oh. :) No, it's wireline. Could be WireYes, but I don't know that
> anyone uses taht term...
Probably used by wirenos. You can always tell them by the unkempt appearance
and their constantly pulling a handset out of a brown paper bag.
--
Music hath charms to soothe the savage breast.
That's why stereo has two channels.
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| Larry 2007-04-22, 12:33 pm |
| George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:3O-
dnRFm7Ob3zrbbnZ2dnUV
Z_jCdnZ2d@comcast.com:
> Same here, used to be a Alltel customer and they had a very minimilist
> approach to spending money on infrastructure. The best thing that
> happened to this market is when they swapped my market with Verizon to
> get another market.
>
>
Which markets are these? Across South Carolina, Alltel has the best
service because it bought Bell Atlantic's system, which covered all
markets in SC. North of Charleston, in Georgetown to the NC state line
including Myrtle Beach, a very important vacation market in SC, Alltel
has 800 Mhz CDMA/AMPS everywhere. Verizon's A system stops to a little
PCS carrier they bought because their predecessors didn't buy the market
in Georgetown and Horry Counties before someone else did. PCS, of
course, sucks 3 miles from a tower. When I was an AMPS Verizon customer,
I used to force the phone to Alltel north of here to get great service.
Alltel had lots more towers than the mom and pop phone company on A in
those days.
Larry
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| Drumstick 2007-04-22, 3:33 pm |
| In article < Xns991A870E1ABD1noon
ehomecom@208.49.80.253>, noone@home.com
says...
> George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:3O-
> dnRFm7Ob3zrbbnZ2dnUV
Z_jCdnZ2d@comcast.com:
>
>
> Which markets are these? Across South Carolina, Alltel has the best
> service because it bought Bell Atlantic's system, which covered all
> markets in SC. North of Charleston, in Georgetown to the NC state line
> including Myrtle Beach, a very important vacation market in SC, Alltel
> has 800 Mhz CDMA/AMPS everywhere. Verizon's A system stops to a little
> PCS carrier they bought because their predecessors didn't buy the market
> in Georgetown and Horry Counties before someone else did. PCS, of
> course, sucks 3 miles from a tower. When I was an AMPS Verizon customer,
> I used to force the phone to Alltel north of here to get great service.
> Alltel had lots more towers than the mom and pop phone company on A in
> those days.
>
>
>
> Larry
>
East Central Georgia...about as rural as you can get.... My town has two
stop lights and one caution.
Drum--
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|
| David Arnstein wrote:
> I will check them out. Is their coverage any good? Do they use some
> other commpany's radio towers?
> else's radio towers?
There is no Alltel service in the San Francisco Bay Area, or California
for that matter. Verizon is the top carrier in terms of coverage and
quality by quite a big margin according to every independent survey.
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| John Navas 2007-04-22, 3:33 pm |
| On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 11:20:01 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in < 462ba756$0$27251$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:
>David Arnstein wrote:
>
>
>There is no Alltel service in the San Francisco Bay Area, or California
>for that matter. Verizon is the top carrier in terms of coverage and
>quality by quite a big margin according to every independent survey.
AT&T/Cingular probably has the best nationwide coverage, not that it
really matters, since what actually matters is coverage in areas a given
person cares about most, and since no one carrier has the best coverage
in all areas.
--
Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/ Cingu...less_FA
Q>
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| John Navas 2007-04-22, 3:33 pm |
| On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 01:21:23 +0000, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote in
< Xns9919D99678855noon
ehomecom@208.49.80.253>:
>arnstein@panix.com (David Arnstein) wrote in news:f0dvmc$mfh$1
>@panix2.panix.com:
>
>
>Not quite correct....It's ALL the Verizon handsets...disabled so you gotta
>pay for your own pictures from your own phone.
In fact there are often other ways to transfer without paying.
--
Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/ Cingu...less_FA
Q>
| |
| Steven J. Sobol 2007-04-22, 10:33 pm |
| In article < Xns991A870E1ABD1noon
ehomecom@208.49.80.253>, Larry wrote:
> Which markets are these? Across South Carolina, Alltel has the best
> service because it bought Bell Atlantic's system, which covered all
> markets in SC.
I don't doubt they're solid in SC. They bought the old GTE Cleveland
network as a result of the initial Verizon mergers, and they're good
there too. But then there are places like their own corporate home --
Little Rock, Arkansas. In 2003 we came out I-40 through Little Rock,
instead of doing Chicago-Denver-Utah on I-70 and I-80 (the quicker
route to Victorville from Cleveland), because we visited family on the
army base in Kentucky. Coverage on I-40 in Arkansas sucked XXX.
We were roaming analog.
Now, you can say "of course you were, Verizon wants to discourage
people from roaming," but I don't even think Verizon *has* native
coverage in Arkansas. What's the benefit to *intentionally* crippling
digital roaming there?
In fairness, I'm not sure whether it was Alltel or Verizon that was to
blame in this case. I just can't see Verizon intentionally not
allowing digital roaming on Alltel in an area along a major Interstate
where they don't have native coverage.
--
Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows
Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
| |
| xPosTech 2007-04-22, 10:33 pm |
| On 4/22/2007 11:21 AM, Steven J. Sobol wrote:
> In article <wZDWh.3409$ns5.1949@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net>, xPosTech w=
rote:
>=20
oom.[color=darkred]
>=20
> No.
>=20
A poor attempt at humor. "Bonfire of the Vanities"
Merriam-Webster:
Main Entry: van=B7i=B7ty
4 : a fashionable trifle or knickknack
--=20
Ted
I wasn't born in Texas but
I got back here as soon as I could
(Don't forget to take out the trash)
Quondo Omni Flunkus Mortati (When All Else Fails, Play Dead.)
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| xPosTech 2007-04-22, 10:33 pm |
| On 4/22/2007 11:56 AM, clifto wrote:
> Steven J. Sobol wrote:
>
> Probably used by wirenos. You can always tell them by the unkempt appearance
> and their constantly pulling a handset out of a brown paper bag.
>
BFG
--
Ted
I wasn't born in Texas but
I got back here as soon as I could
(Don't forget to take out the trash)
If all economists were laid end to end, they would not reach a conclusion.
-- George Bernard Shaw
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| Diamond Dave 2007-04-22, 10:33 pm |
| On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:06:24 +0000 (UTC), "Steven J. Sobol"
<sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:
>In article < Xns991A870E1ABD1noon
ehomecom@208.49.80.253>, Larry wrote:
>I don't doubt they're solid in SC. They bought the old GTE Cleveland
>network as a result of the initial Verizon mergers, and they're good
>there too. But then there are places like their own corporate home --
>Little Rock, Arkansas. In 2003 we came out I-40 through Little Rock,
>instead of doing Chicago-Denver-Utah on I-70 and I-80 (the quicker
>route to Victorville from Cleveland), because we visited family on the
>army base in Kentucky. Coverage on I-40 in Arkansas sucked XXX.
>
A lot has happened between 2003 and now. Many places that were analog
only or analog roaming are now digital roaming.
I-85 in northern North Carolina was analog roaming on Alltel in 2002.
In 2006 it was digital Verizon.
In 2003, Northwestern Virginia was Shentel, roaming analog. In 2007 it
is digital Verizon (Verizon bought Shentel's 800 MHz system and
upgraded it to CDMA).
So comparing what you saw in 2003 versus now is like comparing apples
to oranges. Verizon (and other companies) have come a LONG ways!
Dave
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| Steven J. Sobol 2007-04-22, 10:33 pm |
| In article < c6rn23hcdu3hvft6dh5s
1en6uauhiovget@4ax.com>, Diamond Dave wrote:
> So comparing what you saw in 2003 versus now is like comparing apples
> to oranges. Verizon (and other companies) have come a LONG ways!
So does Alltel allow Verizon customers to roam digital? Does Verizon
now have native AR coverage?
--
Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows
Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
| |
| Steven J. Sobol 2007-04-22, 10:33 pm |
| In article <1DRWh.7386$H_5.611@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net>, xPosTech wrote:
> A poor attempt at humor. "Bonfire of the Vanities"
Yeah, I figured your comment had something to do with the movie/book. :)
Wasn't sure whether it was a serious question though.
--
Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows
Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
| |
| Janet Wilder 2007-04-23, 12:33 pm |
| Steven J. Sobol wrote:
> In article < Xns991A870E1ABD1noon
ehomecom@208.49.80.253>, Larry wrote:
>
>
> I don't doubt they're solid in SC. They bought the old GTE Cleveland
> network as a result of the initial Verizon mergers, and they're good
> there too. But then there are places like their own corporate home --
> Little Rock, Arkansas. In 2003 we came out I-40 through Little Rock,
> instead of doing Chicago-Denver-Utah on I-70 and I-80 (the quicker
> route to Victorville from Cleveland), because we visited family on the
> army base in Kentucky. Coverage on I-40 in Arkansas sucked XXX.
>
> We were roaming analog.
>
> Now, you can say "of course you were, Verizon wants to discourage
> people from roaming," but I don't even think Verizon *has* native
> coverage in Arkansas. What's the benefit to *intentionally* crippling
> digital roaming there?
>
> In fairness, I'm not sure whether it was Alltel or Verizon that was to
> blame in this case. I just can't see Verizon intentionally not
> allowing digital roaming on Alltel in an area along a major Interstate
> where they don't have native coverage.
>
When I was in the Little Rock area a few years ago, it was Sprint who
was carrying the signal. I had the old National program then so I didn't
pay roaming.
--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life
| |
| Steven J. Sobol 2007-04-23, 3:33 pm |
| In article < 462cdf0a$0$21334$c3e
8da3@news.astraweb.com>, Janet Wilder wrote:
> When I was in the Little Rock area a few years ago, it was Sprint who
> was carrying the signal. I had the old National program then so I didn't
> pay roaming.
They might have dumped Alltel as a roaming partner in that area. I was
definitely analog and Sprint has no AMPS anywhere on its network.
--
Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows
Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
| |
|
| "Steven J. Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in
news:slrnf2njjs.4si.sjsobol@amethyst.justthe.net:
>
> I don't doubt they're solid in SC. They bought the old GTE Cleveland
> network as a result of the initial Verizon mergers, and they're good
> there too. But then there are places like their own corporate home --
> Little Rock, Arkansas. In 2003 we came out I-40 through Little Rock,
> instead of doing Chicago-Denver-Utah on I-70 and I-80 (the quicker
> route to Victorville from Cleveland), because we visited family on the
> army base in Kentucky. Coverage on I-40 in Arkansas sucked XXX.
I'm confused....(again). My comment was about Alltel, not Verizon.
Verizon Wireless came out of GTE, here, GTE bought Cellular One's 800A
system. Alltel bought GTE in Cleveland? I thought Verizon WAS GTE
Wireless, everywhere.
>
> We were roaming analog.
>
> Now, you can say "of course you were, Verizon wants to discourage
> people from roaming," but I don't even think Verizon *has* native
> coverage in Arkansas. What's the benefit to *intentionally* crippling
> digital roaming there?
No, Verizon simply FORBIDS roaming on other systems using the PRL weapon-
of-mass-DoS. But again, are you talking about Verizon or Alltel??
Alltel doesn't permit roaming in eastern SC, but, where it's coverage is
marginal up in the mountains (Greenville/Spartanburg over to Charlotte
and down to Clinton), Alltel's PRL, last time I checked, allowed roaming
to Verizon to fill in the blank spaces, nicely. General Lee's Ghost
lives up there, he knows more about that. I rarely travel west of
Columbia.
>
> In fairness, I'm not sure whether it was Alltel or Verizon that was to
> blame in this case. I just can't see Verizon intentionally not
> allowing digital roaming on Alltel in an area along a major Interstate
> where they don't have native coverage.
>
The last time I downloaded the PRL decode for Verizon was quite a while
ago. It forbade roaming to Sprint or Alltel everywhere I looked, that
Verizon had a local license....no inmarket roaming allowed at all. Has
that changed?
Larry
--
| |
|
| "Steven J. Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in
news:slrnf2nups.ic4.sjsobol@amethyst.justthe.net:
> So does Alltel allow Verizon customers to roam digital? Does Verizon
> now have native AR coverage?
>
>
Yes, but the Verizon PRL forbids it...
Larry
--
| |
| Steven J. Sobol 2007-04-23, 10:33 pm |
| In article < Xns991B9268CB460noon
ehomecom@208.49.80.253>, Larry wrote:
> I'm confused....(again). My comment was about Alltel, not Verizon.
> Verizon Wireless came out of GTE, here, GTE bought Cellular One's 800A
> system. Alltel bought GTE in Cleveland? I thought Verizon WAS GTE
> Wireless, everywhere.
Remember that Verizon Wireless was initially formed by the merger of
Bell Atlantic Mobile, Vodafone AirTouch Cellular, GTE Wireless and
PrimeCo Cellular...
GTE existed in Cleveland along with NewPar Cellular's AirTouch
franchise. AirTouch was formerly CellularONE.
Verizon got AirTouch and wasn't allowed to keep GTE due to DoJ
anti-trust concerns. Alltel already operated landline networks in the
rural areas outside of Cleveland, so it made perfect sense for them to
buy the GTE network and enhance their local presence.
This was an anomaly. I don't know of any other market where this
happened.
> No, Verizon simply FORBIDS roaming on other systems using the PRL weapon-
> of-mass-DoS. But again, are you talking about Verizon or Alltel??
I was talking about roaming *on* Alltel using a Verizon account in
late June 2003. Verizon did not have native coverage in Arkansas then.
> The last time I downloaded the PRL decode for Verizon was quite a while
> ago. It forbade roaming to Sprint or Alltel everywhere I looked, that
> Verizon had a local license....no inmarket roaming allowed at all. Has
> that changed?
I doubt it. This was a market where Verizon doesn't, or at least
didn't, run their own network.
--
Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows
Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
| |
| Steven J. Sobol 2007-04-23, 10:33 pm |
| In article < Xns991B92A5D1300noon
ehomecom@208.49.80.253>, Larry wrote:
[color=darkred]
> Yes, but the Verizon PRL forbids it...
That simply makes no sense in a city where Verizon doesn't have a
native network (yes, I know Verizon doesn't often do things that make
sense).
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Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows
Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
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| Dennis Ferguson 2007-04-23, 10:33 pm |
| On 2007-04-23, Steven J. Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:
> In article < Xns991B9268CB460noon
ehomecom@208.49.80.253>, Larry wrote:
>
>
> Remember that Verizon Wireless was initially formed by the merger of
> Bell Atlantic Mobile, Vodafone AirTouch Cellular, GTE Wireless and
> PrimeCo Cellular...
>
> GTE existed in Cleveland along with NewPar Cellular's AirTouch
> franchise. AirTouch was formerly CellularONE.
>
> Verizon got AirTouch and wasn't allowed to keep GTE due to DoJ
> anti-trust concerns. Alltel already operated landline networks in the
> rural areas outside of Cleveland, so it made perfect sense for them to
> buy the GTE network and enhance their local presence.
>
> This was an anomaly. I don't know of any other market where this
> happened.
This is hardly an anomaly. GTE and Airtouch were also the
cellular operators in San Francisco and San Diego (at least), a
problem they resolved by selling the Airtouch bits in San Francisco,
and the GTE bits in San Diego, to AT&T. And here's a press release
of what they did to resolve the conflicts between Bell Atlantic and
GTE during that acquisition (this one includes South Carolina stuff):
http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/public/pre...s/1999/2423.htm
Every big merger causes a spectrum fire sales in the same way. Here's
the DoJ requirements for the Cingular acquisition of AT&T Wireless
http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2004/October/04_at_718.htm
and that doesn't include stuff like the network T-Mobile acquired from
Cingular in California, or the spectrum Sprint ended up with in the US
Virgin Islands.
Dennis Ferguson
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| Larry 2007-04-23, 10:33 pm |
| "Steven J. Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in
news:slrnf2qcgj.pdq.sjsobol@amethyst.justthe.net:
> That simply makes no sense in a city where Verizon doesn't have a
> native network (yes, I know Verizon doesn't often do things that make
> sense).
>
>
Oops...I thought they had service there....sorry.
Larry
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| Steven J. Sobol 2007-04-24, 4:33 am |
| In article <slrnf2qj2p.80.dcferguson@akit-ferguson.com>, Dennis Ferguson wrote:
>
> This is hardly an anomaly. GTE and Airtouch were also the
> cellular operators in San Francisco and San Diego (at least),
Okay, Cleveland wasn't the only market, but I don't believe most of
the other markets had both.
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Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows
Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
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| Steven J. Sobol 2007-04-24, 4:33 am |
| In article < Xns991BD362FD4F7noon
ehomecom@208.49.80.253>, Larry wrote:
> Oops...I thought they had service there....sorry.
Well, reading elsewhere in the thread, I see that they may be moving
into Arkansas. But I drove through while moving here from Cleveland,
four years ago.
--
Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows
Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
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| Diamond Dave 2007-04-24, 10:33 pm |
| On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 00:17:20 +0000 (UTC), "Steven J. Sobol"
<sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:
>In article < c6rn23hcdu3hvft6dh5s
1en6uauhiovget@4ax.com>, Diamond Dave wrote:
>
>
>So does Alltel allow Verizon customers to roam digital? Does Verizon
>now have native AR coverage?
Have no idea on AR. Haven't been there since 2000 (before I was on
VZW).
But parts of VA are Alltel digital (Culpeper, Charlottesville,
Wythville).
I was in rural GA around Christmas 2006 and roamed on Alltel digital.
Wheeling, WV and eastern OH was digital Alltel in April 2006.
Dave
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| Steven J. Sobol wrote:
> In fairness, I'm not sure whether it was Alltel or Verizon that was to
> blame in this case. I just can't see Verizon intentionally not
> allowing digital roaming on Alltel in an area along a major Interstate
> where they don't have native coverage.
Do they allowed paid roaming on the old AC1 plan in that area?
Verizon used to claim that AC2 coverage included virtually every digital
system in areas where Verizon didn't operate their own digital system.
There were very, very few areas where they didn't allow off-network
roaming if they didn't have native coverage, and these were not major
carriers like Alltel that didn't have roaming agreements.
I don't have any AC2 phones, but I've found no problem with roaming onto
non-Verizon CDMA and/or AMPS carriers in California and Florida. Also,
even though the "Extended Roaming" indicator often indicates off-network
roaming, I've never been charged roaming in the U.S. (though I was
charged in Canada of course). Even roaming on Cingular's AMPS system I
wasn't charged. It was amusing to be roaming onto Cingular AMPS, out in
the Florida Everglades, with a Verizon phone, in an area where
Cingular's GSM customers had no coverage at all! However I guess that in
2008, this anomaly goes away if Cingular shuts down AMPS even in areas
with no GSM.
I've been fairly pleased with Verizon's roaming capability. I go up to
the North Coast of California quite a bit, and without a tri-mode phone
there would be long stretches of 101 along the coast with no coverage at
all. I carry a GSM phone on Cingular, and the coverage is far less broad
outside the urban areas. I don't want AC2 out of fear of losing a lot of
roaming (besides losing my 8:01 p.m. off-peak which I use a lot). Also,
the roads up to Yosemite where I go a lot have only CDMA and AMPS
coverage for much of the way, due to Golden State Cellular which is
CDMA. On California Highway 88, which goes by Kirkwood, and is my
favorite route to the Tahoe area, there is a long stretch between
Kirkwood and South Shore that has only AMPS roaming, but I've never been
charged for it.
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| John Navas 2007-04-28, 10:33 am |
| On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:36:08 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in < 4630d4fa$0$27207$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:
>I've been fairly pleased with Verizon's roaming capability. I go up to
>the North Coast of California quite a bit, and without a tri-mode phone
>there would be long stretches of 101 along the coast with no coverage at
>all. I carry a GSM phone on Cingular, and the coverage is far less broad
>outside the urban areas. ...
Then you should get a better phone, because the GSM coverage is actually
quite good.
--
Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/ Cingu...less_FA
Q>
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| ammjay@yahoo.com 2007-05-10, 10:33 am |
| On Apr 21, 5:28 pm, arnst...@panix.com (David Arnstein) wrote:
> I have a new V325i and Verizon service. Occasionally, I use the crappy
> little camera in the handset. But, I cannot get the pictures out of
> the handset!
>
> I have tried to email the picture out of the camera. I have tried two
> email addresses. In each case, the handset tells me that the email
> address is invalid.
>
> Actually, I would prefer not to use email, because Verizon charges a
> (small) fee for this.
>
> I installed Motorola Phone Tools 4.0 and updated it over the internet.
> I find that the multimedia function in the software is disabled. I
> suspect that Verizon has done something to the V325i handset to
> accomplish this.
>
> < Memo to potential customers: Phone Tools is a piece of shit. It
> repeatedly failed to update itself over the internet. I applied a
> registry fix I found on a user forum, and rebooted. It still failed.
> The solution was to keep trying, five times. Eventually, I got all the
> updates applied. I think. >
>
> I installed BitPim software, but it does not seem to support the V325i
> handset.
>
> I am out of ideas. Any suggestions? All I want to do is pull a stupid
> JPEG file out of the handset.
> --
> David Arnstein (00)
> arnstein+use...@pobox.com {{ }}
> ^^
Hey David...
I downloaded Datapilots pix n tunes and was able to d/l all my pic
from the phone into my pc with no trouble at all. Works great and is
only $19.95
Good luck.
juiceman61
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