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Apple's iPhone casts big shadow on cell industry
If the device -- a melding of phone, Web browser and music and video player
-- is a hit, analysts say it will cut into market share of major
phonemakers, including Schaumburg-based Motorola
By Mike Hughlett
Tribune staff reporter
June 24, 2007
As if struggling cell phone-maker Motorola Inc. doesn't have enough to
worry about : Here comes the iPhone, heir to the mighty iPod, brainchild of
tech golden boy Steve Jobs -- and riding a tidal wave of hype to boot.
Due in U.S. stores Friday, the iPhone promises to stir up the mobile phone
business. Apple Inc.'s first phone isn't expected to take much business
from Schaumburg-based Motorola or anyone else in the short term, but it
will change the industry landscape nonetheless, analysts say.
"It will not be a financial disrupter, but it will be a psychological
disrupter, a research and development disrupter," said Roger Entner, senior
vice president of IAG Research's communications sector. "That's because
everybody will say [to competitors like Motorola], 'Why can't you do
that?'"
If Apple succeeds, it might be financial disrupter in the long term, too.
If it ultimately rolls out cheaper versions of the iPhone -- as it did with
the iPod -- it could eat into the market share of major phonemakers such as
Motorola, some analysts say.
The iPhone -- a melding of phone, Web browser and music and video player --
will hit the shelves at a heady $499 to $599, with the latter sporting
twice the storage space (8 gigabytes). The device will be available through
AT&T and Apple retail stores and Web sites.
Apple has been transformed over the past few years from a boutique
computer-maker to a consumer electronics giant, courtesy of the now
ubiquitous iPod. The company has sold 100 million of the devices, capturing
roughly 70 percent of the portable music player market.
But while Apple essentially built the MP3 player market, the mobile phone
industry is an entirely different animal.
It's dominated globally by Finland-based Nokia, which has a nearly 36
percent market share, with Motorola second at about 17 percent. In the
U.S., Motorola is still market-share king, despite the weakness in its cell
phone business over the past nine months.
Given that the U.S. is ground zero for the iPhone, Motorola could stand to
be hit harder than other phonemakers if it succeeds, analysts say. Motorola
executives interviewed last week didn't seem worried, though they wouldn't
likely let on if they were.
"Really, the iPhone benefits the entire industry," said Brian Stech,
director of global marketing for Motorola's phone division. That's because
the iPhone will bring more consumer attention to "multimedia" phones, and
Motorola has strong offerings in that space, too, he said.
Motorola and other phonemakers have been stuffing their wares with
Web-browsing and music- and video-playing capabilities. But U.S. consumers
still don't seem to choose their phones based on such features.
"I don't think many people go out and buy a phone and say, 'I'm going for
the music part of it, I'm going for the video part of it,'" said Neil
Strother, a wireless industry analyst at Jupiter Research. But if the
iPhone succeeds, such multimedia phones should really take root, spurring
more innovation, too, at established phonemakers, he said.
Audience may be limited
Apple geeks will be queuing up for the device, waiting to get their hands
on its advanced touch-screen technology and surf the Web on its big
3.5-inch screen. But the phone's steep price will initially limit its
audience to tech enthusiasts and wealthier consumers.
That's the conclusion of recent survey of online mobile phone shoppers by
IDC, a market research firm. IDC found that 10 percent of those surveyed
were interested in the iPhone at $499 and above, a number that jumped to 18
percent if the device was priced under $299.
Also, IDC found that the cost of switching wireless carriers will work
against the iPhone. Since it's available only through a calling plan at
AT&T, customers who break contracts with their current networks will have
to pony up termination fees of around $150.
Apple seems aware that the higher price will limit the phone's market --
initially at least. Jobs has said he expects to sell 10 million iPhones by
the end of 2008, which would barely give Apple 1 percent of the global cell
phone market.
Seeking 'mind share'
Initially, Apple is going after "mind share," not market share, said John
Jackson, a wireless industry analyst at the Yankee Group. But eventually,
Jackson and other analysts are looking for Apple to broaden its iPhone
offerings to include stripped down -- but cheaper -- devices.
In other words, they're looking for Apple to do what it did with the iPod,
where prices vary by device size and storage capacity. The iPod Shuffle can
be had for $79; the iPod Nano starts at $149; and an iPod with 80 gigabytes
of storage goes for $349.
"When the iPhone Nano comes out at $120, everyone is in big trouble,"
Jackson said.
The life cycle of Motorola's famous Razr phone offers a potential parallel.
It was launched in November 2004 at $499. But Motorola didn't really gain
big sales volume -- and a boost in its market share -- until the Razr's
retail price was cut to $199 and eventually $99.
Eventually that price-cutting went too far: As the Razr's price dropped to
$50 and below, it began cannibalizing sales of the Krzr, Motorola's
higher-priced follow-up to the Razr. Apple could face a similar risk if it
follows a Nano/Shuffle-type strategy with the iPhone, said Chris Hazelton,
a wireless industry analyst at IDC.
The iPhone is being marketed more as a super-iPod than as a phone. "At a
lower price, the iPhone could compete with the iPod," taking sales from the
latter, Hazelton said.
Another possible hindrance for Apple is the nature of its agreement with
AT&T, he said. AT&T gave Apple an unprecedented amount of say in how the
iPhone will be sold and what the phone will feature; Motorola and other
carriers, accustomed to obeying carrier dictates, would likely be envious.
But Apple has also given AT&T a five-year exclusive deal to sell the phone,
analysts say. Exclusive deals rarely run more than one year. Phonemakers
want to build market share by selling through multiple carriers. "AT&T gave
a lot, but so did Apple," Hazelton said.
The Yankee Group's Jackson said that AT&T's main rival networks -- Sprint
and Verizon -- may face a bigger threat from the iPhone than phonemakers
such as Motorola. That's because AT&T's approach to selling music is
different than Sprint's and Verizon's.
Sprint and Verizon sell digital music through their own stores: Tunes are
downloaded over their networks for a fee. AT&T didn't build its own store,
instead partnering with major online brands such as Napster and Yahoo to
sell music.
Now, with the iPhone, Cingular will also allow customers to directly
download songs from iTunes into their phones, a sort of end-run around a
carrier-based music service. "This is really Apple versus Sprint and
Verizon," Jackson said.
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mhughlett@tribune.com
| |
| George Graves 2007-06-26, 3:33 pm |
| On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 04:00:01 -0700, Lon wrote
(in article <8M37D45S39259. 2083449074@anonymous
.poster> ):
> http://www.chicagotribune.com/techn...un24
,1,7
> 51030.story?page=2&coll=chi-technologylocal-hed
>
> Apple's iPhone casts big shadow on cell industry
> If the device -- a melding of phone, Web browser and music and video player
> -- is a hit, analysts say it will cut into market share of major
> phonemakers, including Schaumburg-based Motorola
>
>
> By Mike Hughlett
> Tribune staff reporter
>
> June 24, 2007
>
> As if struggling cell phone-maker Motorola Inc. doesn't have enough to
> worry about : Here comes the iPhone, heir to the mighty iPod, brainchild of
> tech golden boy Steve Jobs -- and riding a tidal wave of hype to boot.
>
> Due in U.S. stores Friday, the iPhone promises to stir up the mobile phone
> business. Apple Inc.'s first phone isn't expected to take much business
> from Schaumburg-based Motorola or anyone else in the short term, but it
> will change the industry landscape nonetheless, analysts say.
>
> "It will not be a financial disrupter, but it will be a psychological
> disrupter, a research and development disrupter," said Roger Entner, senior
> vice president of IAG Research's communications sector. "That's because
> everybody will say [to competitors like Motorola], 'Why can't you do
> that?'"
>
> If Apple succeeds, it might be financial disrupter in the long term, too.
> If it ultimately rolls out cheaper versions of the iPhone -- as it did with
> the iPod -- it could eat into the market share of major phonemakers such as
> Motorola, some analysts say.
>
> The iPhone -- a melding of phone, Web browser and music and video player --
> will hit the shelves at a heady $499 to $599, with the latter sporting
> twice the storage space (8 gigabytes). The device will be available through
> AT&T and Apple retail stores and Web sites.
>
> Apple has been transformed over the past few years from a boutique
> computer-maker to a consumer electronics giant, courtesy of the now
> ubiquitous iPod. The company has sold 100 million of the devices, capturing
> roughly 70 percent of the portable music player market.
>
> But while Apple essentially built the MP3 player market, the mobile phone
> industry is an entirely different animal.
>
> It's dominated globally by Finland-based Nokia, which has a nearly 36
> percent market share, with Motorola second at about 17 percent. In the
> U.S., Motorola is still market-share king, despite the weakness in its cell
> phone business over the past nine months.
>
> Given that the U.S. is ground zero for the iPhone, Motorola could stand to
> be hit harder than other phonemakers if it succeeds, analysts say. Motorola
> executives interviewed last week didn't seem worried, though they wouldn't
> likely let on if they were.
>
> "Really, the iPhone benefits the entire industry," said Brian Stech,
> director of global marketing for Motorola's phone division. That's because
> the iPhone will bring more consumer attention to "multimedia" phones, and
> Motorola has strong offerings in that space, too, he said.
>
> Motorola and other phonemakers have been stuffing their wares with
> Web-browsing and music- and video-playing capabilities. But U.S. consumers
> still don't seem to choose their phones based on such features.
>
> "I don't think many people go out and buy a phone and say, 'I'm going for
> the music part of it, I'm going for the video part of it,'" said Neil
> Strother, a wireless industry analyst at Jupiter Research. But if the
> iPhone succeeds, such multimedia phones should really take root, spurring
> more innovation, too, at established phonemakers, he said.
>
> Audience may be limited
>
> Apple geeks will be queuing up for the device, waiting to get their hands
> on its advanced touch-screen technology and surf the Web on its big
> 3.5-inch screen. But the phone's steep price will initially limit its
> audience to tech enthusiasts and wealthier consumers.
>
> That's the conclusion of recent survey of online mobile phone shoppers by
> IDC, a market research firm. IDC found that 10 percent of those surveyed
> were interested in the iPhone at $499 and above, a number that jumped to 18
> percent if the device was priced under $299.
>
> Also, IDC found that the cost of switching wireless carriers will work
> against the iPhone. Since it's available only through a calling plan at
> AT&T, customers who break contracts with their current networks will have
> to pony up termination fees of around $150.
>
> Apple seems aware that the higher price will limit the phone's market --
> initially at least. Jobs has said he expects to sell 10 million iPhones by
> the end of 2008, which would barely give Apple 1 percent of the global cell
> phone market.
>
> Seeking 'mind share'
>
> Initially, Apple is going after "mind share," not market share, said John
> Jackson, a wireless industry analyst at the Yankee Group. But eventually,
> Jackson and other analysts are looking for Apple to broaden its iPhone
> offerings to include stripped down -- but cheaper -- devices.
>
> In other words, they're looking for Apple to do what it did with the iPod,
> where prices vary by device size and storage capacity. The iPod Shuffle can
> be had for $79; the iPod Nano starts at $149; and an iPod with 80 gigabytes
> of storage goes for $349.
>
> "When the iPhone Nano comes out at $120, everyone is in big trouble,"
> Jackson said.
>
> The life cycle of Motorola's famous Razr phone offers a potential parallel.
> It was launched in November 2004 at $499. But Motorola didn't really gain
> big sales volume -- and a boost in its market share -- until the Razr's
> retail price was cut to $199 and eventually $99.
>
> Eventually that price-cutting went too far: As the Razr's price dropped to
> $50 and below, it began cannibalizing sales of the Krzr, Motorola's
> higher-priced follow-up to the Razr. Apple could face a similar risk if it
> follows a Nano/Shuffle-type strategy with the iPhone, said Chris Hazelton,
> a wireless industry analyst at IDC.
>
> The iPhone is being marketed more as a super-iPod than as a phone. "At a
> lower price, the iPhone could compete with the iPod," taking sales from the
> latter, Hazelton said.
>
> Another possible hindrance for Apple is the nature of its agreement with
> AT&T, he said. AT&T gave Apple an unprecedented amount of say in how the
> iPhone will be sold and what the phone will feature; Motorola and other
> carriers, accustomed to obeying carrier dictates, would likely be envious.
>
> But Apple has also given AT&T a five-year exclusive deal to sell the phone,
> analysts say. Exclusive deals rarely run more than one year. Phonemakers
> want to build market share by selling through multiple carriers. "AT&T gave
> a lot, but so did Apple," Hazelton said.
>
> The Yankee Group's Jackson said that AT&T's main rival networks -- Sprint
> and Verizon -- may face a bigger threat from the iPhone than phonemakers
> such as Motorola. That's because AT&T's approach to selling music is
> different than Sprint's and Verizon's.
>
> Sprint and Verizon sell digital music through their own stores: Tunes are
> downloaded over their networks for a fee. AT&T didn't build its own store,
> instead partnering with major online brands such as Napster and Yahoo to
> sell music.
>
> Now, with the iPhone, Cingular will also allow customers to directly
> download songs from iTunes into their phones, a sort of end-run around a
> carrier-based music service. "This is really Apple versus Sprint and
> Verizon," Jackson said.
>
> ----------
>
> mhughlett@tribune.com
>
>
I guess these guys HAVE to write about something, even if what they are
writing about is as obvious as this. How big is the cellphone market again?
200 million? 500 million? a Billion? I dunno but its huge. So, its a no
brainer to say that the iPhone won't turn the market on it's ear - especially
since most cellphones in the world are really cheap ones -that's where the
numbers are. What the iPhone will do is sell like hot cakes. They'll
literally fly off of Apple's and ATT's shelves. I predict that Apple won't be
able to keep up with the orders. That's the significance of iPhone. It will
make Apple even richer.
| |
| Oxford 2007-06-26, 3:33 pm |
| George Graves <gmgraves2@comcast.net> wrote:
> I guess these guys HAVE to write about something, even if what they are
> writing about is as obvious as this. How big is the cellphone market again?
> 200 million? 500 million? a Billion? I dunno but its huge. So, its a no
> brainer to say that the iPhone won't turn the market on it's ear - especially
> since most cellphones in the world are really cheap ones -that's where the
> numbers are. What the iPhone will do is sell like hot cakes. They'll
> literally fly off of Apple's and ATT's shelves. I predict that Apple won't be
> able to keep up with the orders. That's the significance of iPhone. It will
> make Apple even richer.
correct George... the iPhone nano or iPhone mini is just around the
corner and it's going to crush many a cell phone company like a bug. The
cell industry is incredibly weak in comparison to the computer industry.
They haven't had any serious competition in decades.
The iPhone could take 10-15% of the revenue market in the first year,
10-15% of the unit volume in year 2, it just depends on how fast Apple
wants to crush cell companies.
Should be fun to watch.
| |
| George Graves 2007-06-26, 3:33 pm |
| On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:44:17 -0700, Oxford wrote
(in article
<colalovesmacs-68FE18.12441726062007@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net> ):
> George Graves <gmgraves2@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> correct George... the iPhone nano or iPhone mini is just around the
> corner and it's going to crush many a cell phone company like a bug. The
> cell industry is incredibly weak in comparison to the computer industry.
> They haven't had any serious competition in decades.
>
> The iPhone could take 10-15% of the revenue market in the first year,
> 10-15% of the unit volume in year 2, it just depends on how fast Apple
> wants to crush cell companies.
>
> Should be fun to watch.
I'll say! Wish I could really justify an iPhone, But I can't. Hell, I might
buy one anyway :-)
| |
| Rod Speed 2007-06-26, 3:33 pm |
| Oxford <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote:
> George Graves <gmgraves2@comcast.net> wrote:
>
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> correct George... the iPhone nano or iPhone mini is just around the corner
Sure.
> and it's going to crush many a cell phone company like a bug.
Nope.
> The cell industry is incredibly weak in comparison to the computer industry.
Another pig ignorant fantasys.
> They haven't had any serious competition in decades.
Corse they have.
> The iPhone could take 10-15% of the revenue market in the first year,
Not a chance.
> 10-15% of the unit volume in year 2,
Not a chance.
> it just depends on how fast Apple wants to crush cell companies.
Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasys.
> Should be fun to watch.
Yep, clowns like you face down in the mud, as always.
| |
| Daniel Packman 2007-06-26, 3:33 pm |
| In article <5ed8olF37phkfU1@mid.individual.net>,
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>Oxford <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote:
.....
>
>Corse they have.
Competition among current phone makers and phone companies
has been strong for some time. The iphone promises through
a combination of features, design, and marketing to fundamentally
change the cell phone landscape. The parallels to Apple's entrance
into the mobile music market are striking. And their current success
with the ipod gives them leverage in this new market. They might
dominate this new market. But in any case, it seems likely that
the cell phone business will be changed.
| |
| Rod Speed 2007-06-26, 10:33 pm |
| Daniel Packman <pack@shell.dim.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
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> Competition among current phone makers and
> phone companies has been strong for some time.
And leaves the minimal competition in the computer industry for dead too.
> The iphone promises through a combination of features, design,
> and marketing to fundamentally change the cell phone landscape.
Nope, there's plenty with the same approach
now, even the lack of any real keys.
> The parallels to Apple's entrance into the mobile music market are striking.
The differences are striking too. Virtually everyone already has a phone,
many already have phones which are also media players and cameras.
It was quite different when the ipod showed up, most didnt have a media player then.
> And their current success with the ipod gives them leverage in this new market.
But the market is very different when you need a telco too and
when they have chosen to operate exclusively with just one of the
networks, and that doesnt have adequate coverage for some.
And then there's the phone plans on offer too. That isnt something that was
relevant with the ipod, you could just dump your CDs into if it you wanted to.
> They might dominate this new market.
I doubt they'll even dominate the high end phone market
and they certainly wont dominate the low end.
> But in any case, it seems likely that the cell phone business will be changed.
Nope, there are plenty of high end phone that can do what the
iphone does. And much more too, particularly run 3rd party apps.
| |
| Oxford 2007-06-26, 10:33 pm |
| "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sure.
so thanks for confirming you know zero about how Apple operates, they
start on the high end and work down and have done it for decades.
the iphone should sell 40 million or so units the first year, adding an
iPhone mini would make that iPhone total numbers hit 100 million or more.
>
> Nope.
Hee he, you don't have any clue do you. Apple is known to crush
industries. The iPhone will be another feather in their cap.
>
> Another pig ignorant fantasys.
Why is there no innovation then? Please explain that one...
>
> Corse they have.
Like what? when has an iPhone level product ever entered the market?
Never. The cell phone industry is stagnate, weak and unprepared for
Friday.
>
> Not a chance.
At at average price of $550 and 40 million units, yep!
>
> Not a chance.
100 million in year 2 is 10%, do the math.
>
> Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasys.
>
>
> Yep, clowns like you face down in the mud, as always.
You're scare of Apple's iPhone, I can tell.
| |
| Oxford 2007-06-26, 10:33 pm |
| "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> But the market is very different when you need a telco too and
> when they have chosen to operate exclusively with just one of the
> networks, and that doesnt have adequate coverage for some.
but the need for a "telco" is only temporary. Cell towers are dead ends,
VOIP wipes them out and is basically "free".
> And then there's the phone plans on offer too. That isnt something that was
> relevant with the ipod, you could just dump your CDs into if it you wanted
> to.
But you don't need a data plan for many of the iphone features, so just
learn that once Skype is on the iPhone, (about 2 months) no need to pay
ATT a single penny. Then the iPhone becomes a "free" phone to t | |
| Rod Speed 2007-06-26, 10:33 pm |
| Oxford <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
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> but the need for a "telco" is only temporary.
Bet it isnt.
> Cell towers are dead ends, VOIP wipes them out and is basically "free".
Pity about the lack of WiFi in so much of the area most want to move in.
And if cell towers are dead ends, no point in getting an
iphone, you might as well just have a decent non phone
instead and avoid the 2 year contract cost with AT&T too.
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> But you don't need a data plan for many of the iphone features,
You do for voip tho.
> so just learn that once Skype is on the iPhone,
> (about 2 months) no need to pay ATT a single penny.
Wrong, you're locked into a 2 year contract with ATT.
> Then the iPhone becomes a "free" phone
> to talk to anyone in the world for "free".
Fantasy. Skype aint free.
> Like it should be.
Its nothing like that.
| |
| Rod Speed 2007-06-26, 10:33 pm |
| Oxford <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
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> so thanks for confirming you know zero about how Apple operates,
How odd that even I had noticed them doing that with the ipod.
> they start on the high end and work down and have done it for decades.
Irrelevant to your silly claim below.
> the iphone should sell 40 million or so units the first year, adding an iPhone
> mini would make that iPhone total numbers hit 100 million or more.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.
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> Hee he, you don't have any clue do you. Apple is known to crush industries.
They did that so well with MS eh ?
And with the PC hardware industrys too eh ?
They havent even managed to crush even a single media player manufacturer either.
> The iPhone will be another feather in their cap.
Sure, but thats nothing like your juvenile claims about crushing anyone.
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> Why is there no innovation then?
Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant fantasys.
> Please explain that one...
Nothing to explain, you are just plain wrong.
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> Like what?
From the Koreans most recently.
> when has an iPhone level product ever entered the market?
There's plenty of high end phones that can do everything it can do.
> Never. The cell phone industry is stagnate, weak
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
never ever had a XXXXing clue about anything at all, ever.
> and unprepared for Friday.
The cell phone industry will just yawn on Friday.
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> At at average price of $550 and 40 million units, yep!
They aint gunn sell 40M units, child.
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> 100 million in year 2 is 10%, do the math.
Pity you just plucked that stupid number out of your arse, child.
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> You're scare of Apple's iPhone,
Nope, I welcome any decent innovative product with a decent design.
> I can tell.
All you can do is wank, child.
| |
| Justin 2007-06-26, 10:33 pm |
| Oxford wrote on [Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:04:22 - 0600]:
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> but the need for a "telco" is only temporary. Cell towers are dead ends,
> VOIP wipes them out and is basically "free".
You're high.
>
> But you don't need a data plan for many of the iphone features, so just
> learn that once Skype is on the iPhone, (about 2 months) no need to pay
> ATT a single penny. Then the iPhone becomes a "free" phone to talk to
> anyone in the world for "free". Like it should be.
Yep, like the FACT that there is no large area public wifi over what?
99% of the country?
| |
| George Kerby 2007-06-26, 10:33 pm |
|
On 6/26/07 2:46 PM, in article 5ed8olF37phkfU1@mid.individual.net, "Rod
Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oxford <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote:
>
>
> Sure.
>
>
> Nope.
>
>
> Another pig ignorant fantasys.
>
>
> Corse they have.
>
>
> Not a chance.
>
>
> Not a chance.
>
>
> Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasys.
>
>
> Yep, clowns like you face down in the mud, as always.
>
>
You are so dense. You wouldn't see satire if it walked up and XXXXX-slapped
your sorry XXX.
| |
| Rod Speed 2007-06-26, 10:33 pm |
| George Kerby < ghost_topper@hotmail
.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
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> You are so dense.
You in spades.
> You wouldn't see satire if it walked up and XXXXX-slapped your sorry XXX.
You wouldn't notice taking the piss of it bit you on your lard arse.
That last line was a dead giveaway, child.
| |
| Oxford 2007-06-26, 10:33 pm |
| Justin <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote:
>
> You're high.
Nope, just examining the facts.
>
> Yep, like the FACT that there is no large area public wifi over what?
> 99% of the country?
But you are missing the point. Are you in 99% of the country at one
single time? No, you spend 94% of your waking life at home or at the
office, where 99% of modern people have open wireless, or protected but
under their control.
I know, I know it will take people like Rod longer to understand what
I'm saying, but it's still a fact that Wireless / 802.11 will replace
Cell Towers. Will it happen tomorrow, nope! but in the 10 year time
frame most Cell companies are "toast" unless they get to "free" calls
and $100 phones.
| |
| Oxford 2007-06-26, 10:33 pm |
| "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Bet it isnt.
Check with us in 11 years, and your tune will say, "oh, I guess that
Oxford guy was right".
>
> Pity about the lack of WiFi in so much of the area most want to move in.
Do you live in the US? Just curious? or the back woods?
> And if cell towers are dead ends, no point in getting an
> iphone, you might as well just have a decent non phone
> instead and avoid the 2 year contract cost with AT&T too.
But an iPhone will allow for free phone calls within the year, most
"cell" phones won't.
>
>
> You do for voip tho.
Not sure as of yet. VOIP would run in the Safari Browser as it sits now,
so there would be no need for "data" through ATT for that. That's all
pure TCP/IP / 802.11.
>
> Wrong, you're locked into a 2 year contract with ATT.
Ah, but you can leave on day 1 for $175, so you aren't "locked in".
>
> Fantasy. Skype aint free.
Skype to Skype is free, so iPhone to iPhone would be free, sure if you
are talking to an old fashioned phone, you pay a small fee, or
international old fashioned phones, you pay a bit higher fee, but Skype
to Skype anywhere in the world, to Skype anywhere in the world is free.
>
> Its nothing like that.
You'll learn.
-
And since you are too slow to understand large concepts as I discuss,
you've been Plonked!
Sorry, you just aren't rational.
-
| |
| Justin 2007-06-26, 10:33 pm |
| Oxford wrote on [Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:43:59 - 0600]:
>
> But you are missing the point. Are you in 99% of the country at one
> single time? No, you spend 94% of your waking life at home or at the
> office, where 99% of modern people have open wireless, or protected but
> under their control.
When I am in the office or at home I use the office phone and the
cordless at home. The cell is for the 25% of the time I am not in either
of those places. If a wifi phone will kill cell towers, then the current
skype and voip phones should be doing it.
> I know, I know it will take people like Rod longer to understand what
> I'm saying, but it's still a fact that Wireless / 802.11 will replace
> Cell Towers. Will it happen tomorrow, nope! but in the 10 year time
> frame most Cell companies are "toast" unless they get to "free" calls
> and $100 phones.
There will never be wifi in all the places you want to use a phone.
Hell, there are plenty of places where digital cell service doesn't
exist so I have to use an analogue capable phone.
| |
| zappo 2007-06-26, 10:33 pm |
| Oxford <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
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[color=darkred]
> Check with us in 11 years,
Still will have XXXX all of the country covered by wifi.
> and your tune will say, "oh, I guess that Oxford guy was right".
Not a chance. And you'll be dead then anyway.
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> Do you live in the US? Just curious? or the back woods?
Irrelevant to how much of the US is covered by wifi where its viable to do voip.
[color=darkred]
> But an iPhone will allow for free phone calls within the year,
We'll see...
> most "cell" phones won't.
Most wont care because there plans wont
cost anything like what the iphone plans cost.
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> Not sure as of yet. VOIP would run in the Safari Browser
> as it sits now, so there would be no need for "data" through
> ATT for that. That's all pure TCP/IP / 802.11.
Pity about what they charge per month.
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> Ah, but you can leave on day 1 for $175, so you aren't "locked in".
You still get to pay someone a substantial monthly charge.
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> Skype to Skype is free, so iPhone to iPhone would be free,
Pity about everyone else you need to call.
> sure if you are talking to an old fashioned phone, you pay a small fee, or
> international old fashioned phones, you pay a bit higher fee, but Skype to
> Skype anywhere in the world, to Skype anywhere in the world is free.
Pity about those you need to call that dont have skype.
[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
> You'll learn.
I've learnt, that wankers like you have never ever had a clue.
> And since you are too slow to understand large
> concepts as I discuss, you've been Plonked!
Fat lot of good that will do you, child.
> Sorry, you just aren't rational.
Silly little desperatey wanking children like you in spades, child.
Now clean that mess up and go to your room.
| |
|
| Oxford <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote:
> Justin <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote:
>
>
> Nope, just examining the facts.
>
>
>
> But you are missing the point. Are you in 99% of the country at one
> single time? No, you spend 94% of your waking life at home or at the
> office, where 99% of modern people have open wireless, or protected
> but under their control.
> I know, I know it will take people like Rod longer to understand what I'm
> saying, but it's still a fact that Wireless / 802.11 will replace Cell Towers.
No it wont, you watch.
> Will it happen tomorrow, nope! but in the 10 year time frame most Cell
> companies are "toast" unless they get to "free" calls and $100 phones.
They've already got that, child.
| |
| bernard farquart 2007-06-27, 4:33 am |
|
"zappo" <zappo@zappo.com> wrote in message
news:4681d975$0$1283
5$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> Oxford <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote
>
quit nymshifting rod, stay in your kill file.
| |
| George Kerby 2007-06-27, 10:33 am |
|
On 6/26/07 7:57 PM, in article 5edr0gF38ufbvU1@mid.individual.net, "Rod
Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> George Kerby < ghost_topper@hotmail
.com> wrote
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> You in spades.
>
>
> You wouldn't notice taking the piss of it bit you on your lard arse.
>
> That last line was a dead giveaway.
>
That you are a stupid moronic limey XXXXXXX, yes! One without any
appreciation of humor. Typical.
F.O.A.D., cocksucker.
| |
|
| "zappo" <zappo@zappo.com> wrote:
>
> Still will have XXXX all of the country covered by wifi.
wee WiMax / 4G
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiMAX
>
> Not a chance. And you'll be dead then anyway.
I'm only 40, so I still have about 46 years left to see all this play
out.
>
>
>
> Irrelevant to how much of the US is covered by wifi where its viable to do
> voip.
about 40% of the current coverage area based on population density.
>
>
> We'll see...
>
>
> Most wont care because there plans wont
> cost anything like what the iphone plans cost.
The iPhone plan is pretty cheap actually, $59, for 450 full rollover
minutes and unlimited data / email / web. Only $20 more if you an
existing customer.
http://www.apple.com/iphone/easysetup/rateplans.html
>
>
>
>
> Pity about what they charge per month.
???? It's less than most other services.
>
>
>
> You still get to pay someone a substantial monthly charge.
Yes, $27 a month for unlimited wireless data, web, email. But that's
cheap compared to what an old fashioned cell company is trying to
"double" suck out of you.
>
>
>
> Pity about everyone else you need to call.
pretty much everyone i deal with, business clients, family members, etc
will have an iphone within 24 months, so it's not a problem for me. if
you still need to call an old fashioned phone, you can still do it with
skype out for $3 a month, or 2.1 cents per minute for international
calls.
>
> Pity about those you need to call that dont have skype.
What? you clearly don't understand how skype works, you can call ANYONE
with skype, they don't have to have skype to talk to them with skype.
Maybe that's where your confusion is?
http://www.skype.com/products/skypeout/
>
>
>
> I've learnt, that wankers like you have never ever had a clue.
Ah, see above, you haven't even learned how skype works.
>
> Fat lot of good that will do you, child.
>
>
> Silly little desperatey wanking children like you in spades, child.
>
> Now clean that mess up and go to your room.
poor ron
| |
|
| "bernard farquart" < bernardfarquart@DELE
TEhotmail.com> wrote:
> quit nymshifting rod, stay in your kill file.
yeah, i hate people that nymshift ALL the time, zappo has been zapped.
| |
| Rod Speed 2007-06-27, 3:33 pm |
| George Kerby < ghost_topper@hotmail
.com> wrote:
> On 6/26/07 7:57 PM, in article 5edr0gF38ufbvU1@mid.individual.net,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
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> That you are a stupid moronic limey XXXXXXX, yes! One without any
> appreciation of humor. Typical.
>
> F.O.A.D., cocksucker.
Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, child.
| |
| Jim P Sharma 2007-06-27, 3:33 pm |
| none <a@b.com> wrote:
> "zappo" <zappo@zappo.com> wrote:
>
>
> wee WiMax / 4G
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiMAX
WiMax aint WiFi, child.
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> I'm only 40, so I still have about 46 years left to see all this play out.
Nope, you'll be dead in a couple of years, child.
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> about 40% of the current coverage area based on population density.
Pig ignorant lie.
[color=darkred]
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[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
> The iPhone plan is pretty cheap actually,
Nope.
> $59, for 450 full rollover minutes and unlimited data /
> email / web. Only $20 more if you an existing customer.
> http://www.apple.com/iphone/easysetup/rateplans.html
[color=darkred]
>
> ???? It's less than most other services.
>
>
> Yes, $27 a month for unlimited wireless data, web, email. But that's
> cheap compared to what an old fashioned cell company is trying to
> "double" suck out of you.
>
[color=darkred]
> pretty much everyone i deal with, business clients, family
> members, etc will have an iphone within 24 months,
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
> so it's not a problem for me. if you still need to call an old
> fashioned phone, you can still do it with skype out for $3 a
> month, or 2.1 cents per minute for international calls.
Only when wifi is available.
[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
> What? you clearly don't understand how skype works,
> you can call ANYONE with skype, they don't have to
> have skype to talk to them with skype.
You do have to TO CALL THEM FROM FREE, child.
> Maybe that's where your confusion is?
Nope, your confusion is ignoring his claim about FREE, child.
> http://www.skype.com/products/skypeout/
No news to anyone, child.
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> Ah, see above, you haven't even learned how skype works.
See above, you cant even manage to read what he wrote.
>
> poor ron
Can't even manage to work out what my name is either.
| |
| Larry 2007-06-27, 10:33 pm |
| tiger573@yahoo.com (Lon) wrote in news:8M37D45S39259.2083449074
@anonymous.poster:
> Apple geeks will be queuing up for the device, waiting to get their
hands
> on its advanced touch-screen technology and surf the Web on its big
> 3.5-inch screen. But the phone's steep price will initially limit its
> audience to tech enthusiasts and wealthier consumers.
>
Well, duhh...(c; Remember when those big-screen TVs were sold only to
"tech enthusiasts and wealthier consumers" for $10,000? iPhone will be
$128 with 2 year contract in 2 years....when iPhone 2.0 comes out, of
course.
Duhh......(c;
Larry
--
http://www.spp.gov/
The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP
| |
| Larry 2007-06-27, 10:33 pm |
| "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in news:5edhlfF34m1e2U1
@mid.individual.net:
> Fantasy. Skype aint free.
>
Skype is free.
INTERCONNECT to POTS and Voicemail isn't.
Skype software is free...
Skype-to-Skype comms are free...
Skypecasts are free....
Skype video is free....
God I hope it's free..I was talking to Japan for 3 hours last night!..(c;
I just hung up with a friend working in Australia this month. Just
before he hung up, I asked him if he wanted me to call him on his
cellphone, later...."NO! DON'T YOU DARE!"...hee hee.
Larry
--
You can use Skype to anywhere free from your cellphones, too! It's
called Mobivox! http://www.mobivox.com/ I'm a charter beta tester....
Cool! Sign up NOW! I just looked at the website. Mobivox is giving all
us users $10 in FREE WORLDWIDE LONG DISTANCE for the 4th of July weekend!
You can call your friends FROM YOUR CELLPHONE overseas FOR FREE this
weekend! $10 at 1.9USc/min is 8.7 hours of free overseas calls!
Thanks, Mobivox!...
Skype for your Cellphone...
Way cool....(c;
See? Cellphones DO still have some uses....Mobile SKYPE!
| |
|
| "Jim P Sharma" <jps@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> WiMax aint WiFi, child.
poor Rod Speed, stuck trying to scare people with his ignorance. WiMax
is CERTAINLY WiFi, it's just the latest incarnation of what Apple and
Lucent hammered out in 2000.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiMAX
>
> Nope.
Name a cheaper national service for the iPhone.
>
> Only when wifi is available.
yes, but you have to be pretty poor to NOT be close to an open network
nowadays. You love to forget this fact.
>
Ah, Skype doesn't require the other person to "have" Skype, don't you
understand how the world is about to work?
SkypeOut is $3 a month, and this the AMOUNT cell and landline companies
WILL need to charge once Apple is through with them.
[color=darkred]
>
> No news to anyone, child.
It is to you. See above.
Poor Rod Speed, he is stuck trying to prop up an OLD BOYS cell network,
now HE, and his career IS TOAST, and I'm just the happy messenger.
Too funny!
| |
| Larry 2007-06-27, 10:33 pm |
| Oxford <colalovesmacs@mac.com> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
9E2770.20494526062007@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net:
> Skype to Skype is free, so iPhone to iPhone would be free, sure if you
> are talking to an old fashioned phone, you pay a small fee, or
> international old fashioned phones, you pay a bit higher fee, but Skype
> to Skype anywhere in the world, to Skype anywhere in the world is free.
>
Ebay has made Skype more expensive but no where near any other POTS
interconnect. My SkypeIn numbers (I have one in Charleston, SC and one
in London, England) are not $60, up from $38 last time I paid....PER
YEAR! There's no minute charges to take calls through either one of them
to receive calls....unless you have Skype set to forward calls to your
cellphone, unless you have Skype Out Unlimited in US/Canada at $30/year.
For $90/YEAR, now, I can still get calls from any phone/cellphone and
make calls to any phone USA/Canada, including AK and HI, with no per
minute nonsense charges....talk as long as you like.
Skype-to-Skype is better, of course. Stupid telephones/cellphones don't
have live colour video...(c;
Larry
--
http://www.spp.gov/
The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP
| |
| Larry 2007-06-27, 10:33 pm |
| "zappo" <zappo@zappo.com> wrote in news:4681d975$0$1283
5$5a62ac22@per-qv1-
newsreader-01.iinet.net.au:
> Pity about those you need to call that dont have skype.
>
>
$30/YEAR to call any phone USA/Canada, unlimited time. 1.9c/min to most
civilized countries precharged to your Skype account.
How much was that cellphone to Japan for 3 hours?
Larry
--
http://www.spp.gov/
The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP
| |
|
| Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>
> Skype is free.
>
> INTERCONNECT to POTS and Voicemail isn't.
>
> Skype software is free...
> Skype-to-Skype comms are free...
> Skypecasts are free....
> Skype video is free....
>
> God I hope it's free..I was talking to Japan for 3 hours last night!..(c;
> I just hung up with a friend working in Australia this month. Just
> before he hung up, I asked him if he wanted me to call him on his
> cellphone, later...."NO! DON'T YOU DARE!"...hee hee.
yes, ignore Rod Speed, he is somehow tied to the old world mafia cell
phone network and can't STAND that soon... everyone will be talking to
everyone anywhere on the planet for FREE!
the WHOLE Cell Industry is going to DIE starting this Friday, this is
VERY TYPICAL of what Steve does to industries when his products enter.
Apple started its life making "free phone calls anywhere in the world",
And for the next 120 years or so Apple will be doing the same thing on a
6-12 billion people scale.
Bits are Bits, there is NO REASON to pay a single penny more than what
you already pay your ISP to make a phone call.
That's the reality, but Rod Speed, is terrified of Apple's entry to make
all this mainstream.
The iPhone will kill his lifestyle, unless he works hard, very, very
hard and is given a golden ticket to work at Apple.
http://www.apple.com/jobs/us/index.html
-
| |
|
| Larry wrote:
> For $90/YEAR, now, I can still get calls from any phone/cellphone and
> make calls to any phone USA/Canada, including AK and HI, with no per
> minute nonsense charges....talk as long as you like.
$90/year is still more than most people spend on long distance. Between
unlimited off-peak minutes and services like Onesuite and TalkLoop,
there's little need for Skype unless it can replace your landline as
well. If you have broadband cable then Skype makes more sense than the
IP phone service offered by the cable company.
| |
| Jim P Sharma 2007-06-27, 10:33 pm |
| none <a@b.com> wrote
> Jim P Sharma <jps@nospam.com> wrote
[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
> poor Rod Speed, stuck trying to scare people with his ignorance.
No one's scared by yours child, just amazed
that anyone could actually be that stupid.
> WiMax is CERTAINLY WiFi,
Nope, different technology entirely, child.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wifi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiMAX
Compare the IEEE numbers XXXXwit child.
Better have a VERY large towel handy for your face, again.
> it's just the latest incarnation of what Apple
> and Lucent hammered out in 2000.
Another pig ignorant lie.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiMAX
No news to anyone with a clue, child.
How odd that the iphone doesnt even support WiMax, child.
[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
> Name a cheaper national service for the iPhone.
The iphone is completely irrelevant, XXXXwit child.
[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
> yes, but you have to be pretty poor to NOT
> be close to an open network nowadays.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant fantasys, child.
> You love to forget this fact.
You wouldnt know what a fact was if it bit you on your lard arse, child.
[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
> Ah, Skype doesn't require the other person to "have" Skype,
No one ever said they do. They do if you want to call them FOR FREE tho.
> don't you understand how the world is about to work?
It aint about to be pure skype, ever.
> SkypeOut is $3 a month, and this the AMOUNT cell and landline
> companies WILL need to charge once Apple is through with them.
Or they will slug Skype so much for their outgoing calls that they
wont be able to continue to charge what they currently charge.
[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
> It is to you.
Nope. Even someone as stupid as you should be able to find plenty
of examples of me suggesting some use that using groups.google, child.
> See above.
Completely useless, as always with your mindless pig ignorant shit.
> Poor Rod Speed, he is stuck trying to prop up an OLD BOYS cell network,
How odd that I hardly ever use it, child.
> now HE, and his career IS TOAST,
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
> and I'm just the happy messenger.
Just the resident village eejut, actually.
> Too funny!
Yep, its not nice to laugh at the village eejut, but we do that anyway.
| |
| Rod Speed 2007-06-27, 10:33 pm |
| Your flagrantly dishonest selective quoting reversed...
Larry <noone@home.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
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This is the only bit you kept in the quoting, arsehole.
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> Skype is free.
Not to call ANYONE IN THE WORLD it aint.
> INTERCONNECT to POTS and Voicemail isn't.
> Skype software is free...
> Skype-to-Skype comms are free...
> Skypecasts are free....
> Skype video is free....
> God I hope it's free..I was talking to Japan for 3 hours last
> night!..(c; I just hung up with a friend working in Australia this
> month. Just before he hung up, I asked him if he wanted me to call
> him on his cellphone, later...."NO! DON'T YOU DARE!"...hee hee.
All completely irrelevant to his stupid claim that calling anyone in the world is free.
| |
| Jim P Sharma 2007-06-27, 10:33 pm |
| none <a@b.com> wrote:
> yes, ignore Rod Speed,
How odd that its actually you being ignored, child.
> he is somehow tied to the old world mafia cell phone network
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
> and can't STAND that soon... everyone will be talking
> to everyone anywhere on the planet for FREE!
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
> the WHOLE Cell Industry is going to DIE starting this Friday,
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
> this is VERY TYPICAL of what Steve does
> to industries when his products enter.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
Even the ipod never did that, and the Mac in spades.
> Apple started its life making "free phone calls anywhere in the world",
Bare faced pig ignorant lie.
> And for the next 120 years or so Apple will be
> doing the same thing on a 6-12 billion people scale.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
> Bits are Bits, there is NO REASON to pay a single penny more
> than what you already pay your ISP to make a phone call.
Every reason when the telcos dont let you
connect to their customers for free any longer.
> That's the reality,
Thats just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
> but Rod Speed, is terrified of Apple's entry to make all this mainstream.
It isnt even going to do that, hordes will never touch the iphone.
> The iPhone will kill his lifestyle,
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
> unless he works hard, very, very hard and
> is given a golden ticket to work at Apple.
> http://www.apple.com/jobs/us/index.html
No surprise that you never managed that, no matter how furiously you lick Job's arse.
| |
|
| SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in news:4682e443$0$2718
5
$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
> $90/year is still more than most people spend on long distance. Between
> unlimited off-peak minutes and services like Onesuite and TalkLoop,
> there's little need for Skype unless it can replace your landline as
> well. If you have broadband cable then Skype makes more sense than the
> IP phone service offered by the cable company.
>
>
Skype replaced my landline years ago. One of life's greatest pleasures
was to call Bell$outh and tell them to get their wires off my house...(c;
"Oh, are you moving?", she asked me. "No, landline phones are obsolete
and a terrible waste of money.", I replied, trying to sound nice without
being snide...(c;
There IS a need for Skype with my cellphone. If I'm going to call a
company, even my cellphone company, I use Skype if available as it has no
per minute charge with Skype Unlimited. It is also INVALUABLE calling
any toll free number you don't want to hijack your cellphone number. All
callers on Skype Out have the same number 000-012-3456, which boggles
most systems looking for "unavailable", etc. One of Skype In's greatest
features is, at least where my two Skype In numbers are located, both in
the same blocks of numbers that are supposed to be all dialup modems used
by ISPs like AOHell. This means these blocks are NEVER, and I mean NEVER
called by the phone spammers and their cold calls. My Skype In number
simply doesn't exist on anyone's cold call database or autodialer....a
real feature while eating dinner or taking a nap. If the Skype phone
rings, it's someone I know, unless I've gotten bored and switched it to
Skype Me for a random call from another of the millions of users...which
is great fun.
So, I call Smiley's Airframe and Storm Door, LLC, push the buttons for
tech support, switch on the Netgear's LOUD speakerphone and
wait....without hearing those cellphone minutes clicking by playing
corporate elevator music. I'm not out 38 airtime minutes waiting for the
bastards in the garage to pick up the phone.
Skype is also "never busy" that I can find. I suppose if I got two
landline calls to Skype In, they might get a busy. But, If I'm calling
Smiley's on Skype Out, sitting there on hold ad nauseum, Skype In can
STILL call one of my other available Skypes on one of the computers if
someone calls! Skype has a limit, I found out, of 10 simultaneous
connections on the same Skype name/account. If the little Netgear is
being used, my computer still "rings" if someone calls me....instead of
going to voicemail....unless I want it to go to voicemail, either
cellphone voice mail (call forwarded) or Skype Voicemail I seldom use.
Skype makes a lot more sense than cable company telephone systems....even
if you don't compare Skype's far cheaper price.
Larry
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The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP
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| Matthew T. Russotto 2007-06-28, 3:33 pm |
| In article <f5rsna$un8$1@shell.dim.com>,
Daniel Packman <pack@shell.dim.com> wrote:
>
>Competition among current phone makers and phone companies
>has been strong for some time. The iphone promises through
>a combination of features, design, and marketing to fundamentally
>change the cell phone landscape. The parallels to Apple's entrance
>into the mobile music market are striking. And their current success
>with the ipod gives them leverage in this new market. They might
>dominate this new market. But in any case, it seems likely that
>the cell phone business will be changed.
Or maybe once the initial marketing-driven hype is done, it'll sink
like a lead Newton without even leaving much in the way of ripples.
Personally I'm hoping that's the case; then maybe Apple can
concentrate on computers.
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There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.
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| Rod Speed 2007-06-28, 10:33 pm |
| Matthew T. Russotto <russotto@grace.speakeasy.net> wrote
> Daniel Packman <pack@shell.dim.com> wrote
Nope, plenty of comparable phones available now.
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Nope, the iphone is much later to market than the ipod was.
[color=darkred]
Not much, because its stuck on the AT&T EDGE network.
[color=darkred]
Not a chance, because its stuck on the AT&T EDGE network alone.
[color=darkred]
That aint gunna happen either. The most it might
do is produce more pure touch screen designs.
Thats welcome, but it isnt going to change the entire cellphone business.
[color=darkred]
> Or maybe once the initial marketing-driven hype is done, it'll sink
> like a lead Newton without even leaving much in the way of ripples.
I doubt it, its a pretty decent wifi system with phone and media player.
Main problem is that its currently stuck on AT&T's pretty XXXXed
EDGE system but it should be hard to add GSM 3G to it now.
> Personally I'm hoping that's the case;
> then maybe Apple can concentrate on computers.
If they'd have done that, they'd have sunk beneath the waves by now.
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| Larry wrote:
> There IS a need for Skype with my cellphone. If I'm going to call a
> company, even my cellphone company, I use Skype if available as it has no
> per minute charge with Skype Unlimited. It is also INVALUABLE calling
> any toll free number you don't want to hijack your cellphone number. All
> callers on Skype Out have the same number 000-012-3456, which boggles
> most systems looking for "unavailable", etc.
One strange thing I've noticed with Talk Loop is that when I call some
numbers I get a recording telling that the party does not accept calls
from blocked numbers, then I have to state my name, and the system
announces me to the called party who decides whether or not to accept
the call. However the called party swears up and down that they do not
have any such service that blocks calls from any number (I'm calling
into BellSouth in Florida).
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| Larry 2007-06-28, 10:33 pm |
| SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in
news:468455a0$0$2722
3$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
> Larry wrote:
>
>
> One strange thing I've noticed with Talk Loop is that when I call some
> numbers I get a recording telling that the party does not accept calls
> from blocked numbers, then I have to state my name, and the system
> announces me to the called party who decides whether or not to accept
> the call. However the called party swears up and down that they do not
> have any such service that blocks calls from any number (I'm calling
> into BellSouth in Florida).
>
I get the occasional refusal to my Skype Out call. Sometimes the
equipment seems to check if the caller ID is real, or is listed on some
blacklist database in the bowels of the beast.
I didn't want to talk to them, anyways.....(c;
Larry
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http://www.spp.gov/
The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP
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