Verizon wireless - Is there no way to prevent romaing?

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Is there no way to prevent romaing?

David

2007-09-22, 4:33 am

I work near the border with Canada. Verizon has told me there is no way to
prevent roaming onto Canadian towers. Is this true? 10 years ago when I
got my first cell phone it had an option to not roam, did such technology
really become too difficult to implement?

Rich

2007-09-22, 7:33 am

David wrote:
> I work near the border with Canada. Verizon has told me there is no way to
> prevent roaming onto Canadian towers. Is this true? 10 years ago when I
> got my first cell phone it had an option to not roam, did such technology
> really become too difficult to implement?
>
>
>

Sometimes phones have an option to have them only work on the Home SID -
I'm not sure if this would work or not - which phone do you have?

Rich

Bob Scheurle

2007-09-22, 10:33 am

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 01:37:08 -0400, "David" <davidd31415@yoowhoo.com>
wrote:
>I work near the border with Canada. Verizon has told me there is no way to
>prevent roaming onto Canadian towers. Is this true? 10 years ago when I
>got my first cell phone it had an option to not roam, did such technology
>really become too difficult to implement?

My phone (an old Kyocera 2235) has a setting to disable roaming.

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David

2007-09-22, 12:33 pm

"Rich" <mathwhiz@mathwhiz.org> wrote in message
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> David wrote:
>
> Sometimes phones have an option to have them only work on the Home SID -
> I'm not sure if this would work or not - which phone do you have?
>
> Rich
>

Chocolate, VX8550.

Rich

2007-09-22, 12:33 pm

David wrote:
> "Rich" <mathwhiz@mathwhiz.org> wrote in message
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> Chocolate, VX8550.
>
>
>

I have a VX8300 - and here is the menu path for me:
Menu > Settings & Tools > Phone Settings > System Select >

If you select Home Only - it should prevent roaming. This will also
prevent roaming (free) in other parts of the US - so if you travel out
of your home area, you'll need to set it back to Automatic.

Rich

Jar-Jar Binks

2007-09-22, 12:33 pm

You could get a Sprint phone. Sprint phones allow you to select "Sprint
Only", "Automatic Roaming", or "Force Roaming", Yes, with Sprint you can
even force roaming mode even if you are standing next to a Sprint Tower.

"David" <davidd31415@yoowhoo.com> wrote in message
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>I work near the border with Canada. Verizon has told me there is no way to
>prevent roaming onto Canadian towers. Is this true? 10 years ago when I
>got my first cell phone it had an option to not roam, did such technology
>really become too difficult to implement?
>
>
>

Dennis Ferguson

2007-09-22, 3:33 pm

On 2007-09-22, David <davidd31415@yoowhoo.com> wrote:
> I work near the border with Canada. Verizon has told me there is no way to
> prevent roaming onto Canadian towers. Is this true? 10 years ago when I
> got my first cell phone it had an option to not roam, did such technology
> really become too difficult to implement?

I can think of three possibilities:

(1) On my LG phone if you go to

Menu -> Settings -> System -> Select System

and select Home Only the phone will only take service from Verizon.
This may not work if the US coverage is Extended Network roaming, rather
than native Verizon coverage, though, as you may lose the US service
as well.

(2) Call Verizon and have them disable International Roaming on your
account. This may not prevent the phone from trying to get service
from the Canadian towers (you'd need a new PRL for that) but should
at least keep you from having to pay for calls. Unfortunately, this
will also prevent your phone from roaming if you travel to Canada.

(3) Verizon used to offer free roaming in Canada for $5 or $10 per month
extra. This would let you use the Canadian coverage with no per-call
charge if Verizon still offers the option.

Dennis Ferguson

Cubit

2007-09-22, 10:33 pm

After reading the other posts in the thread, it sounds like you need to go
to eBay and buy a phone that includes the no-roaming option.

My understanding is that one can transfer service to the new phone from the
V website at no charge. (if it works)

"David" <davidd31415@yoowhoo.com> wrote in message
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>I work near the border with Canada. Verizon has told me there is no way to
>prevent roaming onto Canadian towers. Is this true? 10 years ago when I
>got my first cell phone it had an option to not roam, did such technology
>really become too difficult to implement?
>
>
>

Hertz_Donut

2007-09-22, 10:33 pm

"Jar-Jar Binks" <jarjar@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> You could get a Sprint phone. Sprint phones allow you to select "Sprint
> Only", "Automatic Roaming", or "Force Roaming", Yes, with Sprint you can
> even force roaming mode even if you are standing next to a Sprint Tower.
>
>
> "David" <davidd31415@yoowhoo.com> wrote in message
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But then you have to deal with the nightmare that is Sprint...poor
reception, non-existent customer service, and getting
treated by Sprint like you are lower on the evolutionary scale than pond
scum
No person who is in their right mind should consider Sprint.

Honu
(Happy ex-Sprint Verizon customer).

David

2007-09-22, 10:33 pm

"Rich" <mathwhiz@mathwhiz.org> wrote in message
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> David wrote:
>
> I have a VX8300 - and here is the menu path for me:
> Menu > Settings & Tools > Phone Settings > System Select >
>
> If you select Home Only - it should prevent roaming. This will also
> prevent roaming (free) in other parts of the US - so if you travel out of
> your home area, you'll need to set it back to Automatic.
>
> Rich
>
Thanks Rich.

Jar-Jar Binks

2007-09-23, 4:33 am

Sprint works where verizon doesn't work. Also, I can force my phone to roam
on Verizon anytime I want to and therefore I have the best of both worlds.
You verizon folks can't do that!

I am a happy pond scum!

"Hertz_Donut" <somewhere@outhere.net> wrote in message
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> "Jar-Jar Binks" <jarjar@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> But then you have to deal with the nightmare that is Sprint...poor
> reception, non-existent customer service, and getting
> treated by Sprint like you are lower on the evolutionary scale than pond
> scum
> No person who is in their right mind should consider Sprint.
>
> Honu
> (Happy ex-Sprint Verizon customer).
>
>

SMS

2007-09-23, 12:33 pm

David wrote:
> I work near the border with Canada. Verizon has told me there is no way to
> prevent roaming onto Canadian towers. Is this true? 10 years ago when I
> got my first cell phone it had an option to not roam, did such technology
> really become too difficult to implement?

Can't you tell Verizon to turn off international roaming on your account?

SMS

2007-09-23, 12:33 pm

Jar-Jar Binks wrote:
> You could get a Sprint phone. Sprint phones allow you to select "Sprint
> Only", "Automatic Roaming", or "Force Roaming", Yes, with Sprint you can
> even force roaming mode even if you are standing next to a Sprint Tower.

The problem where I live is that Sprint coverage is very poor, and they
don't allow roaming onto Verizon towers.

SMS

2007-09-23, 12:33 pm

Hertz_Donut wrote:
> "Jar-Jar Binks" <jarjar@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:LDbJi.101367$Vk6.72264@newsfe07.phx...
>
>
> But then you have to deal with the nightmare that is Sprint...poor
> reception, non-existent customer service, and getting
> treated by Sprint like you are lower on the evolutionary scale than pond
> scum
> No person who is in their right mind should consider Sprint.

LOL, it is true that it is extremely rare to find any place where Sprint
works but Verizon does not.

Jar-Jar Binks

2007-09-23, 10:33 pm

There are places in Southern California where this is true.

> LOL, it is true that it is extremely rare to find any place where Sprint
> works but Verizon does not.

Jar-Jar Binks

2007-09-23, 10:33 pm

"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
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> Jar-Jar Binks wrote:
>
> The problem where I live is that Sprint coverage is very poor, and they
> don't allow roaming onto Verizon towers.

SMS, where do you live?

Nick Danger

2007-09-24, 4:33 am

"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
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> LOL, it is true that it is extremely rare to find any place where Sprint
> works but Verizon does not.

In the building where I work, Sprint has several repeaters. In some of the
deep interior rooms, the rest of us (Verizon, ATT, etc.) get no signal at
all while Sprint phones get a full-power signal. Finally they put in a
couple Verizon repeaters in places where they weren't needed. They did
nothing about the truly dead spots.

Topo Gigio

2007-09-24, 4:33 am

Jar-Jar Binks

2007-09-24, 10:33 pm

>
> Under the Hudson River Verizon is the only carrier that provides service.
>
>

If you are under the river, you are most likely dead and don't need cell
phone service.

Jar-Jar Binks

2007-09-24, 10:33 pm

"Nick Danger" <yourname@yourdomain.com> wrote in message
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> "SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
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>
> In the building where I work, Sprint has several repeaters. In some of the
> deep interior rooms, the rest of us (Verizon, ATT, etc.) get no signal at
> all while Sprint phones get a full-power signal. Finally they put in a
> couple Verizon repeaters in places where they weren't needed. They did
> nothing about the truly dead spots.
>

Agreed. My point is that Verizon is not the answer for everyone. In many
areas Sprint, Cingular, or T-Mobile has better serevice. You need to select
service based upon performance in the areas that you live, work, play, and
travel. No single cell phone service is the best. It is simply the Verizon
Kool-aid brainwashing. Kudos to the Verizon Marketing Machine!!

Bob Scheurle

2007-09-24, 10:33 pm

On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:00:39 -0700, "Jar-Jar Binks" wrote:
>
>
>If you are under the river, you are most likely dead and don't need cell
>phone service.

They don't have underwater tunnels on Naboo?

TeddeLI

2007-09-24, 10:33 pm

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Jar-Jar Binks explained on 9/24/2007 :
> "Nick Danger" <yourname@yourdomain.com> wrote in message
> news:FhGJi.1050$GW.7@newsfe12.lga...
>
> Agreed. My point is that Verizon is not the answer for everyone. In many
> areas Sprint, Cingular, or T-Mobile has better serevice. You need to select
> service based upon performance in the areas that you live, work, play, and
> travel. No single cell phone service is the best. It is simply the Verizon
> Kool-aid brainwashing. Kudos to the Verizon Marketing Machine!!

Change many areas to a pitiful few in your post and you will be correct

It amazes me that people, and in your case I use the term loosely, are
so jealous of things that are better than what they have.

Take your "I can force my phone to roam" kool aid to the newsgroup of
your provider. There are many more people who need your wisdom there
since few Sprint users are literate. You can be the king of all Sprint.

George

2007-09-24, 10:33 pm

Jar-Jar Binks wrote:
>
> If you are under the river, you are most likely dead and don't need cell
> phone service.
>
>
There is this neat idea called a tunnel. VZW has both the auto & train
Hudson river tunnels lit up.

SMS

2007-09-24, 10:33 pm

Jar-Jar Binks wrote:
> "SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
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>
> SMS, where do you live?

Northern California. The Sprint coverage in Silicon Valley is very poor.
They even let you out of contract without a termination fee if you have
no coverage at your house. It's mainly a result of them being a
latecomer (along with T-Mobile) and getting stuck with 1900 MHz which
requires far more towers to cover the same geographic area. It's not
that they are unwilling to install more towers, it's opposition by
residents to have towers in residential neighborhoods, even when disguised.

Check Consumer Reports for ratings for the LA and SF metro areas.

SMS

2007-09-24, 10:33 pm

Nick Danger wrote:
> "SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
> news:46f68d8c$0$2722
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>
> In the building where I work, Sprint has several repeaters. In some of the
> deep interior rooms, the rest of us (Verizon, ATT, etc.) get no signal at
> all while Sprint phones get a full-power signal. Finally they put in a
> couple Verizon repeaters in places where they weren't needed. They did
> nothing about the truly dead spots.

That's true, if their are microcells installed inside a building, Sprint
can get around their coverage issue. Often you see the microcells inside
shopping malls, and inside stores selling wireless service.

Jar-Jar Binks

2007-09-25, 10:33 pm

I was king of Verizon for the past 10 years until I moved to a neighborhood
in Orange County California where Verizon doesn't provide service but Sprint
provides full signal. No one is jealous of what you have. If I had Verizon,
I would have zero bars at my home and office in highly populated Southern
California and wouldn't be able to make a call. That is why I dumped
Verizon, otherwise I would not be able to make calls and would be always
saying "Damn, It's the Network!".

No go have another tall glass of Verizon Kool-Aid especially prepared for
you by Verizon's "It's the Network" Marketing Group.and you can be the "King
of All Tards". :-)

"TeddeLI" <Spam@nospam.neat> wrote in message
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>
> Change many areas to a pitiful few in your post and you will be correct
>
> It amazes me that people, and in your case I use the term loosely, are
> so jealous of things that are better than what they have.
>
>
> Take your "I can force my phone to roam" kool aid to the newsgroup of
> your provider. There are many more people who need your wisdom there
> since few Sprint users are literate. You can be the king of all Sprint.
>
>

Jar-Jar Binks

2007-09-25, 10:33 pm

"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
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> Jar-Jar Binks wrote:
>
> Northern California. The Sprint coverage in Silicon Valley is very poor.
> They even let you out of contract without a termination fee if you have no
> coverage at your house. It's mainly a result of them being a latecomer
> (along with T-Mobile) and getting stuck with 1900 MHz which requires far
> more towers to cover the same geographic area. It's not that they are
> unwilling to install more towers, it's opposition by residents to have
> towers in residential neighborhoods, even when disguised.
>
> Check Consumer Reports for ratings for the LA and SF metro areas.

SMS,

Thanks for the clarification. That makes sense. Just because Sprint is
excellent in SoCal doesn't make them good in NoCal.

SMS

2007-09-25, 10:33 pm

Jar-Jar Binks wrote:
> I was king of Verizon for the past 10 years until I moved to a neighborhood
> in Orange County California where Verizon doesn't provide service but Sprint
> provides full signal. No one is jealous of what you have. If I had Verizon,
> I would have zero bars at my home and office in highly populated Southern
> California and wouldn't be able to make a call. That is why I dumped
> Verizon, otherwise I would not be able to make calls and would be always
> saying "Damn, It's the Network!".
>
> No go have another tall glass of Verizon Kool-Aid especially prepared for
> you by Verizon's "It's the Network" Marketing Group.and you can be the "King
> of All Tards". :-)

Just look at the numerous independent surveys of coverage. In almost
ever metropolitan market, Verizon does far, far better than Sprint &
T-Mobile, and far better than AT&T.

You may have found one area in Southern California where Sprint happens
to work well, but this is not the case throughout the Southern
California area.

I know there's a tendency by some people to try to defend whatever
purchasing decision they made regardless of the facts. No one will think
any worse of you if you switch back to Verizon in order to improve your
coverage.

Steve Sobol

2007-09-25, 10:33 pm

On 2007-09-25, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> Just look at the numerous independent surveys of coverage. In almost
> ever metropolitan market, Verizon does far, far better than Sprint &
> T-Mobile, and far better than AT&T.

There's a good reason for that.

Verizon was formed by the merger of three mature networks: GTE Wireless,
Vodafone AirTouch Cellular, and Primeco. More coverage was added through
mergers with smaller carriers and market swaps with Alltel, and no-fee
roaming was enhanced by signing deals with a bunch of small roaming partners.

Sprint and T-Mo didn't have that advantage. Hell, T-Mo didn't have service AT
ALL in my hometown (Cleveland, Ohio) until, what, late '00 or early '01?
Although when they launched, they launched with *extensive* coverage.

> You may have found one area in Southern California where Sprint happens
> to work well, but this is not the case throughout the Southern
> California area.

It's certainly the case up here in northern San Bernardino County, and I had
good experiences with them throughout the Inland Empire. I left Sprint due
to lying idiots in customer service, not network weaknesses.

--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
"Drench yourself in words unspoken / Live your life with arms wide open
Today is where your book begins / The rest is still unwritten"
- Natasha Beddingfield

Dennis Ferguson

2007-09-25, 10:33 pm

On 2007-09-25, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> Jar-Jar Binks wrote:
>
> Just look at the numerous independent surveys of coverage. In almost
> ever metropolitan market, Verizon does far, far better than Sprint &
> T-Mobile, and far better than AT&T.

I don't disagree with the basic argument, but I think the "far, far"
and "far" qualifiers are biased. In the most recent Consumer
Reports survey T-Mobile's service was found to be as good as or
better than Verizon's in 4 of the 20 metro areas included, and was
second to Verizon in 7 more. And, addressing the apparent bias,
a 1900 MHz operator was first in 6 of the 20 metro areas, and was
first or second in 16 of the 20. 1900 MHz doesn't seem to be an
insurmountable disadvantage. Sprint, I'll grant, is pretty pathetic
just about everywhere in this survey.

If I were concerned about service outside metro areas, however, a
current plan with Sprint might very well be better. Sprint still
roams on just about anything available where they have no native
service, but Verizon seems to avoid at least Sprint and AT&T AMPS most
places (the exception with the latter apparently being where Verizon
is 1900 MHz only) these days even when the alternative is no service at
all. No one surveys this service, though.

> You may have found one area in Southern California where Sprint happens
> to work well, but this is not the case throughout the Southern
> California area.
>
> I know there's a tendency by some people to try to defend whatever
> purchasing decision they made regardless of the facts. No one will think
> any worse of you if you switch back to Verizon in order to improve your
> coverage.

I have Verizon service, but no longer have T-Mobile or Sprint service.
I remember how well the latter two worked, though, and when travelling
away from the bay area I don't remember them being near as bad as you
make them out to be.

Dennis Ferguson

Jar-Jar Binks

2007-09-26, 4:33 am

>
> I know there's a tendency by some people to try to defend whatever
> purchasing decision they made regardless of the facts. No one will think
> any worse of you if you switch back to Verizon in order to improve your
> coverage.

ROTFLMAO!! If I were switch back to Verizon, I would not be able to make
calls from my home in Laguna Niguel, California or from my office in
Carlsbad California and therefore it really wouldn't make sense for me. I
would be saying "Damn, It's the Network Again". I don't believe surveys
because the company with the largest wallet will always get the best
reviews.

Bob Scheurle

2007-09-26, 7:33 am

On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 00:05:47 GMT, Dennis Ferguson
<dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>
>I don't disagree with the basic argument, but I think the "far, far"
>and "far" qualifiers are biased. In the most recent Consumer
>Reports survey T-Mobile's service was found to be as good as or
>better than Verizon's in 4 of the 20 metro areas included, and was
>second to Verizon in 7 more.

So Verizon is #1 in 80% of those metro areas. That sounds like "far,
far" better to me.

Dennis Ferguson

2007-09-26, 12:33 pm

On 2007-09-26, Bob Scheurle <njtbob2@X-verizon-X.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 00:05:47 GMT, Dennis Ferguson
><dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> So Verizon is #1 in 80% of those metro areas. That sounds like "far,
> far" better to me.

Not quite. Verizon was #1 in 13 of 20, tied with T-Mobile for #1 in
1 and tied with Alltel for #1 in 1. I don't disagree that Verizon
made the people who used their service fairly happy most places.

The issue I was commenting on, however, is who they are "far, far"
better than and who they're just "far" better than. In the 16 markets
where both T-Mobile and AT&T are rated, T-Mobile was ahead of AT&T in 13,
behind in 2 and tied in 1. Who is "far, far" behind and who's just "far"
for service in metropolitan markets?

And I'm not sure "far" is an accurate description of this survey anyway.
On a scale of 1 to 100 the best, Verizon, was rated an average of 69.5
while the worst, Sprint, averaged 61.5. Verizon was, however,
consistently good in this survey; they were first or a close second
on all 20 markets.

Dennis Ferguson

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