Nextel cellular service - Re: Verizon Push to Talk

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Re: Verizon Push to Talk

Jimmy D

2005-06-15, 9:55 am

Damn you guys are VERY ANGRY!!! I am just looking for some clean cut input.
I have about 100 people that are going to make the switch. I know that one
carrier's phone service will not work with another. i.e.. Nextel to Verizon
vise versa.
"Xman" <xman@cdripper.net> wrote in message
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> Second roll out? The first PTT with Verizon sucked and still sucks. Their
> second isn't going to be any better then the first. It's just a cellular
> company trying to take away some of Nextel's PTT business. While Verizon's
> regular cellular service is hardly from being great, they'd rather spend
> so much money of games, vcast crap, GIN shit and PTT junk.
>
>
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George

2005-06-15, 4:55 pm

Jimmy D wrote:

quote:

> Damn you guys are VERY ANGRY!!! I am just looking for some clean cut input.
> I have about 100 people that are going to make the switch. I know that one
> carrier's phone service will not work with another. i.e.. Nextel to Verizon
> vise versa.

I can offer this observation. After a number of friends with businesses
observed me having full duplex conversations without the clock running
they dropped their Nextel plans and went with VZW. As a side benefit VZW
has much better coverage.

As far as angry one of the answers you got is from the resident mad at
VZW for some unknown reason trolls...

RICHARD GORDON

2005-06-15, 4:55 pm

"Jimmy D" <jimmyd@anon.com> wrote in message
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quote:

> Damn you guys are VERY ANGRY!!! I am just looking for some clean

cut input.

quote:

> I have about 100 people that are going to make the switch. I know

that one

quote:

> carrier's phone service will not work with another. i.e.. Nextel to

Verizon

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> vise versa.

Hi Jimmy,

For a 100 line switch the VZW rep should be willing to loan you a
couple of phones and let you try it for 14 days.

Just remember, with Nextel PTT is basic and regular cell is an add on
With Verizon regular cell is basic and PTT is an add on.

But TRY BEFORE YOU BUY !

Richard

Larry W4CSC

2005-06-15, 4:55 pm

George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:S4GdndOzBPW_gS3
fRVn-
2A@adelphia.com:

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> I can offer this observation. After a number of friends with businesses
> observed me having full duplex conversations without the clock running
> they dropped their Nextel plans and went with VZW.

It is interesting to note that with Nextel, 24/7, INCOMING calls are not
charged to you. So, if you are running a business with lots of incoming
calls eating up your VZW minutes during the business day, Nextel's free
incoming calls makes a lot of sense. The actual number of included
(nothing is free) minutes in either plan isn't comparible if you take lots
of business calls daily coming in. Nextel wins every time if your incoming
minutes monthly is over 500. It's really a judgement call.

Of course, if you're in an industry like construction where everyone talks
to everyone on Nextel PTT, VZW isn't an issue at all, PTT or no PTT. In
businesses like that, noone uses timed minutes. They switch to their
vendor's Nextel PTT group and call him for free...all day long.

The two services aren't competitors. One sells glitzy toyphones to teenage
girls...the other sells trunk radios to businesses.

--
Larry

You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and your outlined in
chalk.

Zman53

2005-06-15, 4:55 pm

Jimmy,

You have to look at what you need more: A two-way radio with a cell phone
or a cell phone that also has two-way (delayed) capability. Verizon's PTW
uses the cell feature of the phone; while the delay may get shorter, it will
never be as short as Nextel. Another thing to consider is if your users
communicate with other Nextel users outside of your company to get their
work done. Ultimately, you have to go with whichever company makes better
business sense, however with 100 phones, I would imagine that Nextel would
make it worth your while to stay...

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>
> "Jimmy D" <jimmyd@anon.com> wrote in message
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> cut input.
> that one
> Verizon
>
> Hi Jimmy,
>
> For a 100 line switch the VZW rep should be willing to loan you a
> couple of phones and let you try it for 14 days.
>
> Just remember, with Nextel PTT is basic and regular cell is an add on
> With Verizon regular cell is basic and PTT is an add on.
>
> But TRY BEFORE YOU BUY !
>
> Richard
>
>
>

RICHARD GORDON

2005-06-15, 10:55 pm

"Larry W4CSC" <noone@home.com> wrote in message

quote:

>
> It is interesting to note that with Nextel, 24/7, INCOMING calls are

not

quote:

> charged to you. So, if you are running a business with lots of

incoming

quote:

> calls eating up your VZW minutes during the business day, Nextel's

free

quote:

> incoming calls makes a lot of sense. The actual number of included
> (nothing is free) minutes in either plan isn't comparible if you

take lots

quote:

> of business calls daily coming in. Nextel wins every time if your

incoming

quote:

> minutes monthly is over 500. It's really a judgement call.
>
> Of course, if you're in an industry like construction where everyone

talks

quote:

> to everyone on Nextel PTT, VZW isn't an issue at all, PTT or no PTT.

quote:

> businesses like that, noone uses timed minutes. They switch to

their

quote:

> vendor's Nextel PTT group and call him for free...all day long.
>

Hi Larry,

That's a valid point..................as far as it goes.

The problem is that all those construction workers have wives, girl
friends, family and other friends (who DON'T use Nextel) and they talk
to those folks as well.

And that's where the Nextel user gets creamed.

Nextel's business model has always been to either give away or lowball
the Direct Connect minutes and then charge like a wounded bull for
everything else.

We have a very small number of customers for whom the genuine Nextel
PTT is a must or so they think.
But we run a monthly calculation showing them what they are paying for
the regular cell minutes and the impact that's having on their total
bill. It's amazing how that changes their attitude over
time.......................especially now that the competition offers
free in network calling.

Richard (3 Watts forever ! )

George

2005-06-15, 10:55 pm

Larry W4CSC wrote:

quote:

>
> The two services aren't competitors. One sells glitzy toyphones to teenage
> girls...the other sells trunk radios to businesses.
>

Actually many view the nextel radios as toy things. Just think, you get
to play "Captain Commando" all day long with simplex WWII conversations
if you use a nextel radio.

I was just working at a site today and there were too guys from a large
service company who I usually bump into. I noticed they no longer had
nextel and asked what they were using. They said the company switched
over to VZW because the users didn't want to deal with the walkie-talkie
"feature". Now they can call others and either put the speakerphone on
and set the phone down or use a headset and have a full duplex call.

Larry W4CSC

2005-06-16, 6:55 am

"RICHARD GORDON" < richard_r_gordonATms
nDOTcom> wrote in
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quote:

> That's a valid point..................as far as it goes.
>
> The problem is that all those construction workers have wives, girl
> friends, family and other friends (who DON'T use Nextel) and they talk
> to those folks as well.
>
> And that's where the Nextel user gets creamed.

Not really. My friend next door is an Electrical contractor. His wife
owns a leather business. They both use their own Nextel group and talk on
PTT all day. Other electricians all have Nextel on other groups. Most of
them I know also have Nextel phones in the wife's possession. It's all
PTT....fast PTT.

quote:

>
> Nextel's business model has always been to either give away or lowball
> the Direct Connect minutes and then charge like a wounded bull for
> everything else.
>
> We have a very small number of customers for whom the genuine Nextel
> PTT is a must or so they think.
> But we run a monthly calculation showing them what they are paying for
> the regular cell minutes and the impact that's having on their total
> bill. It's amazing how that changes their attitude over
> time.......................especially now that the competition offers
> free in network calling.
>
> Richard (3 Watts forever ! )
>

Most Nextel customers I know really have no choice. The warehouse guys at
the supply houses all have a Nextel group. Most of these businesses do not
allow employees to call out on Nextel. They're restricted to PTT service
and incoming phone calls. Outgoing is locked out so they use no minutes at
all! Only the supervisory personnel are using outgoing minutes. These
companies let the workers take their phones home and use them all they like
as it costs the company nothing extra. Wives can call them, but they can
only call 911. If they had VZW PTT, I'm not sure how that would lockout
and the wives calling in would cost the company so the phones would
probably stay on the job.

As I said, as long as Nextel has a lock on the majority of inter-business
PTT between users and suppliers, even if VZW gets the latency issue to
microseconds, if you can't call 'em....who cares?

Another issue is the tougher iDen phones. I've got a couple of really
rugged Nextel phones a friend gave me when he switched his company to
Alltel. You can just look at them and see they were never designed for
glitzy Barbie dolls to carry in their pink purses. I don't think VZW or
any of the glitz carriers has a really rugged phone you can drag on the
ground under a house fixing the wiring, do they? Electricians don't care
about color screens, cameras, ringtones, games....just PTT that works after
the phone got dropped in the mud or they fell on it off the ladder.

--
Larry

You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and your outlined in
chalk.

CharlesH

2005-06-16, 6:55 am

I've heard that the long-term plan of SprintPCS-Nextel is to migrate all
of the iDEN/SMR stuff to CDMA. The particular PTT protocol used by
SprintPCS is supposed to be faster than the one used by VZW.

Zman53

2005-06-16, 4:55 pm

My understanding is they are trying to make dual-mode phones that can
operate in both CDMA and iDen at the same time, unlike the i2000/i2000+ that
can only operate in one at a time.

"CharlesH" <hoch@exemplary.invalid> wrote in message
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quote:

> I've heard that the long-term plan of SprintPCS-Nextel is to migrate all
> of the iDEN/SMR stuff to CDMA. The particular PTT protocol used by
> SprintPCS is supposed to be faster than the one used by VZW.

Zman53

2005-06-16, 4:55 pm

How many WWII conversations on radios were held between people over 2000
miles apart?

Nextel doesn't advertise using PTT for long conversations. If you watch
their commercials, they all highlight the use of PTT for short
conversations.

"George" <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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> Larry W4CSC wrote:
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> Actually many view the nextel radios as toy things. Just think, you get
> to play "Captain Commando" all day long with simplex WWII conversations
> if you use a nextel radio.
>
> I was just working at a site today and there were too guys from a large
> service company who I usually bump into. I noticed they no longer had
> nextel and asked what they were using. They said the company switched
> over to VZW because the users didn't want to deal with the walkie-talkie
> "feature". Now they can call others and either put the speakerphone on
> and set the phone down or use a headset and have a full duplex call.

Argon15

2005-06-20, 4:55 pm

On 6/15/05 5:19 PM, in article dKidndO93vU0By3fRVn-1Q@adelphia.com, "George"
<george@nospam.invalid> wrote:

quote:

> Larry W4CSC wrote:
> Actually many view the nextel radios as toy things. Just think, you get
> to play "Captain Commando" all day long with simplex WWII conversations
> if you use a nextel radio.

That the reaction at my job when a few of us got them. We got mocked on
every time we used DC. Guess what, all those who used to mock us, now have
Nextel. And non of them would give them up now. I really glad you are
happy with Verizon.

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