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| Jimmy D 2005-06-20, 9:55 am |
| Well I finally made the switch from Nextel to Verizon. Here is the
deal......
Verizon's initial connect time is approximately 2 Seconds then nearly
instant after that. I can use it in my house. Big plus over Nextel as I
would have no service displayed on the screen most of the time. Verizon PTT
is by far HANDS DOWN Clearer than Nextel.
2 THUMBS UP to Verizon. Great job. IMHO once Verizon advertises their PTT
and people see that it is much improved over their first rollout I believe
that Nextel will lose market share quickly. Go VERIZON!!!
| |
| Michael Greene 2005-06-20, 4:55 pm |
| Good, maybe if a lot of people leave Nextel, then I will stop getting
all the busy signals. You are the 1st person to like the Verizon PTT.
People I have met say it is much slower than Nextel. I once talked to
someone in Hawaii from Florida and the response was instant with Nextel.
IMHO Nextel's problem is too many people are trying to use their service
now. I have been with them for about 10 years and early on their service
was superior to any other service in South East Florida. They have to
either provide upgrade or have fewer subscribers. Thanks for helping us out.
Jimmy D wrote:
quote:
> Well I finally made the switch from Nextel to Verizon. Here is the
> deal......
>
> Verizon's initial connect time is approximately 2 Seconds then nearly
> instant after that. I can use it in my house. Big plus over Nextel as I
> would have no service displayed on the screen most of the time. Verizon PTT
> is by far HANDS DOWN Clearer than Nextel.
>
> 2 THUMBS UP to Verizon. Great job. IMHO once Verizon advertises their PTT
> and people see that it is much improved over their first rollout I believe
> that Nextel will lose market share quickly. Go VERIZON!!!
>
>
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| Justin 2005-06-20, 4:55 pm |
| does Direct Connect work between a Verizon and a Nextel phone?
"Michael Greene" <wgreene63@netscape.net> wrote in message
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quote:
> Good, maybe if a lot of people leave Nextel, then I will stop getting
> all the busy signals. You are the 1st person to like the Verizon PTT.
> People I have met say it is much slower than Nextel. I once talked to
> someone in Hawaii from Florida and the response was instant with Nextel.
> IMHO Nextel's problem is too many people are trying to use their service
> now. I have been with them for about 10 years and early on their service
> was superior to any other service in South East Florida. They have to
> either provide upgrade or have fewer subscribers. Thanks for helping us
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> Jimmy D wrote:
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| Jimmy D 2005-06-20, 4:55 pm |
| You consider 2 Seconds "MUCH SLOWER" I'll take a two second initial connect
that is clear than an INSTANT GARBLED Message. I just talked from PA to CA
with the Verizon PTT. Guess what. Completely Clear with no delay. CAN YOU
HEAR ME NOW?
"Michael Greene" <wgreene63@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> Good, maybe if a lot of people leave Nextel, then I will stop getting all
> the busy signals. You are the 1st person to like the Verizon PTT. People I
> have met say it is much slower than Nextel. I once talked to someone in
> Hawaii from Florida and the response was instant with Nextel. IMHO
> Nextel's problem is too many people are trying to use their service now. I
> have been with them for about 10 years and early on their service was
> superior to any other service in South East Florida. They have to either
> provide upgrade or have fewer subscribers. Thanks for helping us out.
>
> Jimmy D wrote:
| |
|
| No, they are 2 different technologies. Nextel is a 2-way radio based
system, where Verizon is VOIP (Voice Over Internet Protocol)
Motorola is father to both systems. It originated the Iden system (Nextel)
and purchased the VOIP software rights that Verizon is using.
"Justin" <justinandsteph@rcn.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> does Direct Connect work between a Verizon and a Nextel phone?
> "Michael Greene" <wgreene63@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:nFyte.111514$lQ3.2772@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> out.
> I
> PTT
> PTT
> believe
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>
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| Larry W4CSC 2005-06-20, 4:55 pm |
| "Jimmy D" <jimmyd@anon.com> wrote in news:phyte.21723$qr1.8628@trndny07:
quote:
> 2 THUMBS UP to Verizon. Great job. IMHO once Verizon advertises their
> PTT and people see that it is much improved over their first rollout I
> believe that Nextel will lose market share quickly. Go VERIZON!!!
>
>
Now, who you gonna PTT to? Everyone else is on Nextel...(c;
--
Larry
You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and your outlined in
chalk.
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| Larry W4CSC 2005-06-20, 4:55 pm |
| "Justin" <justinandsteph@rcn.com> wrote in news:e96dncX7RPsSRyv
fRVn-
3g@rcn.net:
quote:
> does Direct Connect work between a Verizon and a Nextel phone?
> "
Over Nextel's dead body pulled out of their cold, dead hands...(c;
--
Larry
You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and your outlined in
chalk.
| |
| Zman53 2005-06-20, 4:55 pm |
| One thing to remember with Nextel Vs. Verizon. Nextel Direct Connect works
everywhere Nextel Cell works. The same cannot be said with Verizon. They
still have analog sites around the country and their PTW requires a digital
connection...
"Jimmy D" <jimmyd@anon.com> wrote in message
news:lqBte.25942$ej1.11810@trndny09...
quote:
> You consider 2 Seconds "MUCH SLOWER" I'll take a two second initial
connect
quote:
> that is clear than an INSTANT GARBLED Message. I just talked from PA to
CA
quote:
> with the Verizon PTT. Guess what. Completely Clear with no delay. CAN
YOU
quote:
> HEAR ME NOW?
>
>
> "Michael Greene" <wgreene63@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:nFyte.111514$lQ3.2772@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
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| Zman53 wrote:
quote:
> One thing to remember with Nextel Vs. Verizon. Nextel
> Direct Connect works everywhere Nextel Cell works. The
> same cannot be said with Verizon. They still have analog
> sites around the country and their PTW requires a digital
> connection...
But this doesn't have any meaning until you compare
the Nextel coverage with VZW digital coverage.
-Quick
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| infinitisound@yahoo.com 2005-06-20, 10:55 pm |
| I simply do not believe this. I tried verizon's PTT and it took 15
seconds to connect.
The only way it could take 2 seconds is if it was already connected.
Try hitting end on both phones then try your Verizon PTT. I bet it
takes much longer than 2 seconds.
****
One thing that that readers should be aware of is that handset will
beep as if the message is instantly sent, but the person RECEIVING the
ptt message will hear it 15 seconds later. The immediate beep make the
sender feel as if the PTT message is being immediately sent.
So again - Put both phones next to each other and hit END to ensure the
connection is closed. Push one PTT button and say hello. Count 15
seconds then you'll hear it. After that it works pretty fast. But in
my opinion, the 15 second delay is not a true PTT.
If anyone is considering Verizon PTT, I suggest you try it in the
store first. Be sure to hit end on both phones, then try the PTT with
two adjacent phones.
| |
| Jimmy D 2005-06-20, 10:55 pm |
| OK, I tried your test. The longest time it took with both phones sitting
side by side was 7 Seconds. Yep, 7 Seconds. That's all. No longer. And
Guess what? You know that garbled transmission that you get quite frequently
using the Nextel DC? I've been using the Verizon Push to Talk pretty
heavily over the past two days and guess what? That's right! NO GARBLED
TRANSMISSIONS!!! I will take a slight delay over a 45% of the time Nextel
garbled transmission. Sorry Guys, Verizon is headed in the right direction.
I'm sure the initial delay will only get shorter. And one other thing. The
Verizon cell phone the VX4700 is spectacular. Very very clear when making
cell calls. All I can say is, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW!!!
<infinitisound@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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quote:
>I simply do not believe this. I tried verizon's PTT and it took 15
> seconds to connect.
> The only way it could take 2 seconds is if it was already connected.
>
> Try hitting end on both phones then try your Verizon PTT. I bet it
> takes much longer than 2 seconds.
>
> ****
> One thing that that readers should be aware of is that handset will
> beep as if the message is instantly sent, but the person RECEIVING the
> ptt message will hear it 15 seconds later. The immediate beep make the
> sender feel as if the PTT message is being immediately sent.
>
> So again - Put both phones next to each other and hit END to ensure the
> connection is closed. Push one PTT button and say hello. Count 15
> seconds then you'll hear it. After that it works pretty fast. But in
> my opinion, the 15 second delay is not a true PTT.
>
> If anyone is considering Verizon PTT, I suggest you try it in the
> store first. Be sure to hit end on both phones, then try the PTT with
> two adjacent phones.
>
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| Larry W4CSC 2005-06-20, 10:55 pm |
| infinitisound@yahoo.com wrote in
news:1119298669.085804.165650@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
quote:
> If anyone is considering Verizon PTT, I suggest you try it in the
> store first. Be sure to hit end on both phones, then try the PTT with
> two adjacent phones.
>
>
Ahh.....Let me tell you how WE tested it...from Northwoods Mall on the N
side of Charleston SC to the Citadel Mall on the S side of Charleston....
Have the sales personae call the other store's phone on landline where
there isn't even any digital cellular delay they can excuse the delay with.
Now that you have the remote store on the phone, Press the PTT on his group
at your end and listen on the phone for HIS phone to beep. While listening
to him talking on the landline with HIS PTT pushed down, time how long it
takes to hear him on your PTT phone...
While monitoring the landline so you can hear yourself and him talking back
to you, keep the PTT moving back and forth and you'll have an actual
realtime test of how well...or bad...it works.
VoIP is never going to be a trunked radio system like iDen which was
designed for it. The iDen hardware, if you have a signal which is another
matter entirely, wins every time.
--
Larry
You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and your outlined in
chalk.
| |
| infinitisound@yahoo.com 2005-06-21, 6:55 am |
| The fastest time for me was 15 seconds.
All I can tell the users considering either Nextel or Verizon is to try
before you buy.
My experiences show that the verizon PTT was very poor.
| |
| Jeff P 2005-06-21, 6:55 am |
|
"Zman53" <zman53@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:W_Dte.346$Y75.128@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...
quote:
> One thing to remember with Nextel Vs. Verizon. Nextel Direct Connect
> works
> everywhere Nextel Cell works. The same cannot be said with Verizon. They
> still have analog sites around the country and their PTW requires a
> digital
> connection...
>
>
So you are saying you would rather have "No Service" from Nextel than to be
able to make an analog call in remote areas on Verizon?
-Jeff
| |
| infinitisound@yahoo.com 2005-06-21, 6:55 am |
| That is a good point. I have clearly stated in my previous posts that
the verizon coverage is better than nextel.
I am trying make it clear that Verizon's PTT is NOT nearly as good as
Nextel's PTT. I should go to the store and video tape it so people can
see what I mean.
I have tried both. I use Nextel for my business line and Verizon for
my personal usage.
| |
| Jimmie James 2005-06-21, 6:55 am |
| You say "If you have a SIGNAL". EXACTLY my point. I will take the 7 second
delay over a garbled no signal Nextel any day of the week. I've been a
Nextel subscriber for 5 years. Just made the switch to Verizon PTT. Glad I
did. Two full days on the system with no problems. Everyone is complaining
about the Verizon delay, and put two phones sided by side, or call one
Verizon store and key the PTT up and wait to hear the delay first hand. In
reality who cares about the 7 Second initial delay. If you are going to
have two phones sitting next to one another why bother having PTT of DC in
the first place. You could just simply turn to the person and have a
real-time conversation. I guess what I am trying to say is if the two
phones are 1/2 mile apart or 2000 miles apart you won't notice the delay.
How often are you going to talk to a person in the same room with a PTT or a
DC phone. That is just plainly absurd. If you just want plain PTT clarity,
then VERIZON should be your choice HANDS DOWN!!! If you want to take your
chances and have that 1/2 second Nextel DC Garbled connection 45% of the
time then Go For It. You have been warned from a former Nextel Subscriber!
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW!!! 2 Thumbs Up for Verizon!!!
"Larry W4CSC" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> infinitisound@yahoo.com wrote in
> news:1119298669.085804.165650@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
>
> VoIP is never going to be a trunked radio system like iDen which was
> designed for it. The iDen hardware, if you have a signal which is another
> matter entirely, wins every time.
>
> --
> Larry
>
> You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and your outlined in
> chalk.
>
| |
| infinitisound@yahoo.com 2005-06-21, 6:55 am |
| -- snip --
In reality who cares about the 7 Second initial delay.
If you are going to
have two phones sitting next to one another why bother having PTT of DC
in
the first place. You could just simply turn to the person and have a
real-time conversation.
-- snip --
The 7 seconds is more like 15 seconds. 15 seconds was the fastest
I've seen it initially connect.
You obviously did not get the point of having the two phones next to
each other. It was to prove the bad latency delay for the initial
connection.
Verizon's PTT is the about the same speed as you calling someone up on
the cell phone. So what is the advantage??? Its actually a
disadvantage because only one person can talk at once. You are better
off simply calling the person on the cell phone.
Don't lose focus of what PTT is for. PTT is for quick short
conversations. I am in the audio business where I rent and operate
sound systems. Here is a simulation of using verizon PTT and Nextel
PTT in my sort of business. This is to show the importance of low
delay. : For simplicity, I will use an average case of 2 second for
Nextel and 15 seconds for Verizon for *initial* connections. The 2
seconds for Nextel is being conservative as it is typically about 1
second.
---------------------Nextel
simulation--------------------------------------
(2 seconds) Person A -> Person B : "Where did you park the truck?"
(2 seconds) Person B- > Person A: "I dont know, Ask person C because
he parked it"
(2 seconds) Person A-> Person C: "Where did you park the van?"
(2 seconds) Person C -> Person A "Its behind the stage"
(2 seconds) Person A -> Person B "Can you go get the cables from the
truck since you are closest"
Total Nextel overhead connection time: 10 seconds
---------------------Verizon
simulation--------------------------------------
(15 seconds) Person A -> Person B : "Where did you park the truck?"
(2 seconds) Person B- > Person A: "I dont know, Ask person C because
he parked it"
(15 seconds) Person A-> Person C: "Where did you park the van?"
(2 seconds) Person C -> Person A "Its behind the stage"
(15 seconds) Person A -> Person B "Can you go get the cables from the
truck since you are closest"
Total Verizon overhead connection time: 47 seconds
This long delay is due to the person having to end then intiate calls
to different people. The 15 seconds is were a new connection is made.
--------------------------------------------------------
I am not a Nextel or a Verizon advocate. I want people to be educated
in what PTT is and what it is used for and how it should work. If you
do not need a responsive PTT, by all means, use Verizon. I do for my
personal cell phone. If you need a responsive PTT, use Nextel.
| |
| infinitisound@yahoo.com 2005-06-21, 6:55 am |
| LOL - I meant 49 seconds, not 47.
| |
|
| Jimmy. One fact remains for me. I am in construction. ALL but two of my
contacts are all on Nextel. When they all switch to Verizon, then it may be
worth while.
--
BD
Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side & a dark side, and it holds
the universe together.
"Jimmie James" <james@james.com> wrote in message
news:eNKte.5577$R6.5255@trndny04...
quote:
> You say "If you have a SIGNAL". EXACTLY my point. I will take the 7
second
quote:
> delay over a garbled no signal Nextel any day of the week. I've been a
> Nextel subscriber for 5 years. Just made the switch to Verizon PTT. Glad
I
quote:
> did. Two full days on the system with no problems. Everyone is
complaining
quote:
> about the Verizon delay, and put two phones sided by side, or call one
> Verizon store and key the PTT up and wait to hear the delay first hand.
In
quote:
> reality who cares about the 7 Second initial delay. If you are going to
> have two phones sitting next to one another why bother having PTT of DC in
> the first place. You could just simply turn to the person and have a
> real-time conversation. I guess what I am trying to say is if the two
> phones are 1/2 mile apart or 2000 miles apart you won't notice the delay.
> How often are you going to talk to a person in the same room with a PTT or
a
quote:
> DC phone. That is just plainly absurd. If you just want plain PTT
clarity,
quote:
> then VERIZON should be your choice HANDS DOWN!!! If you want to take your
> chances and have that 1/2 second Nextel DC Garbled connection 45% of the
> time then Go For It. You have been warned from a former Nextel
Subscriber!
quote:
> CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW!!! 2 Thumbs Up for Verizon!!!
>
> "Larry W4CSC" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns967BC69E1A11
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>
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| Jimmie James 2005-06-21, 4:55 pm |
| I needed to change your numbers a little..........see below. I believe this
is mot accurate........... and you forgot to take into account that the
Nextel failure rate is very high compared that to Verizon. Your 2 second
intervals are at optimum performance.................NOT!!!!! LMFAO
<infinitisound@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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..
quote:
>
> ---------------------Nextel
> simulation--------------------------------------
> (2 seconds) Person A -> Person B : "Where did you park the truck?"
> (2 seconds) Person B- > Person A: "I dont know, Ask person C because
> he parked it"
> (2 seconds) Person A-> Person C: "Where did you park the van?"
> (2 seconds) Person C -> Person A "Its behind the stage"
> (2 seconds) Person A -> Person B "Can you go get the cables from the
> truck since you are closest"
>
> Total Nextel overhead connection time: 10 seconds
>
> ---------------------Verizon
> simulation--------------------------------------
> (7 seconds) Person A -> Person B : "Where did you park the truck?"
> (1.5 seconds) Person B- > Person A: "I dont know, Ask person C because
> he parked it"
> (7 seconds) Person A-> Person C: "Where did you park the van?"
> (1.5 seconds) Person C -> Person A "Its behind the stage"
> (7 seconds) Person A -> Person B "Can you go get the cables from the
> truck since you are closest"
>
> Total Verizon overhead connection time: 24 seconds
> This long delay is due to the person having to end then intiate calls
> to different people. The 7 seconds is were a new connection is made.
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> I am not a Nextel or a Verizon advocate. I want people to be educated
> in what PTT is and what it is used for and how it should work. If you
> do not need a responsive PTT, by all means, use Verizon. I do for my
> personal cell phone. If you need a responsive PTT, use Nextel.
>
| |
|
|
<infinitisound@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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..
quote:
>
> Don't lose focus of what PTT is for. PTT is for quick short
> conversations. I am in the audio business where I rent and operate
> sound systems. Here is a simulation of using verizon PTT and Nextel
> PTT in my sort of business. This is to show the importance of low
> delay. : For simplicity, I will use an average case of 2 second for
> Nextel and 15 seconds for Verizon for *initial* connections. The 2
> seconds for Nextel is being conservative as it is typically about 1
> second.
>
---------------------Nextel
simulation--------------------------------------
(2 seconds) Person A -> Person B : "Where did you park the truck?"
(2 seconds) Person B- > Person A: "I dont ^&*())*(&*&*^%*%^%& C because
he **********d it"
(2 Seconds) Person A - > Person B: "Come Again; I didn't get that."
(2 Seconds) Person B -> Person A: "Sorry, I didn't get all that; Did you
want me to go with you to the car dealership to buy a new Truck?"
(2 seconds) Person A-> Person B - "Huh? There must be some mistake. I
want to know where you parked the truck."
(2 seconds) Person B-> Person A: "I dont know, Ask person C because he
parked it"
(2 seconds) Person A-> Person C: "Where %^&*()(&*&(* you ()()()(_)(_)(_)(
van?"
(2 seconds) Person C -> Person A "I can't understand you; call me on my cell
phone"
Total Nextel overhead connection time: 10 seconds for connects; actual
conversation time is unpredictable, as the audio quality is too undependable
to have a straight conversation whithout addiding additional time for
repeating or explaining what you just didn't say.
---------------------Verizon imulation--------------------------------------
(15 seconds) Person A -> Person B : "Where did you park the truck?"
(2 seconds) Person B- > Person A: "I dont know, Ask person C because
he parked it"
(15 seconds) Person A-> Person C: "Where did you park the van?"
(2 seconds) Person C -> Person A "Its behind the stage"
(15 seconds) Person A -> Person B "Can you go get the cables from the
truck since you are closest"
Total Verizon overhead connection time: 47 seconds
This long delay is due to the person having to end then intiate calls
to different people. The 15 seconds is were a new connection is made.
--------------------------------------------------------
quote:
>
> I am not a Nextel or a Verizon advocate. I want people to be educated
> in what PTT is and what it is used for and how it should work. If you
> do not need a responsive PTT, by all means, use Verizon. I do for my
> personal cell phone. If you need a responsive PTT, use Nextel.
>
VZ PTT still has a way to go. It is unlikely it will ever be as quick as
Nextel PTT, as they are 2 different animals. However, if my life was
depending on interaction with someone else, I would rather lose a minute
with slow dependable communcations compared to quick unintelligibility.
This is probably why Snipers dont use short barrelled full automatic
weapons, and why Hollywood insists on showing a scene where the villian
alswua screws a surpressor on a wheel gun. A single, well placed projectile
is far more effective than causing eventual medical hardship on the tatrget
due to lead poisioning from the dust in the air created by flying bullets
from a full auto lead dispensing system; just because it is faster......
I found that I can forgo a lot of showmanship for a little dependability;
but that seems to be a foreign idea in today's society.
It's kinda like the old Bull explaining to the yearling that you don't run
out in the pasture to service one cow; you walk down there and service them
all.
Your Mileage May Vary........................
| |
|
| The 2 second contact time is fairly consistent; as long as you don't get the
unavailable tone when you start the conversation. or in the middle of a
conversation; causing you to drop connection.
The key timing cycle here is how many minutes does it take to get an
understandable 5 second voice exchange with the other party.
VZ may personify be the Turtle and the Hare revisited, and we all know the
outcome of that parable......
"Jimmie James" <james@james.com> wrote in message
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quote:
>I needed to change your numbers a little..........see below. I believe
>this is mot accurate........... and you forgot to take into account that
>the Nextel failure rate is very high compared that to Verizon. Your 2
>second intervals are at optimum performance.................NOT!!!!!
>LMFAO
>
> <infinitisound@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1119330641.588310.159690@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> .
>
>
| |
| Jimmie James 2005-06-21, 4:55 pm |
| Hasn't Happened Yet.......3 Days and not one garbled dropped connection.
Verizon finally got their act together. Can You Hear Me Now!!! And on top
of that I can actually make a clear intelligible phone call. Can't do that
with Nextel.
<dalite01@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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quote:
> The 2 second contact time is fairly consistent; as long as you don't get
> the unavailable tone when you start the conversation. or in the middle of
> a conversation; causing you to drop connection.
>
> The key timing cycle here is how many minutes does it take to get an
> understandable 5 second voice exchange with the other party.
>
> VZ may personify be the Turtle and the Hare revisited, and we all know the
> outcome of that parable......
>
> "Jimmie James" <james@james.com> wrote in message
> news:QKTte.7614$R6.3618@trndny04...
>
>
| |
| Jimmie James 2005-06-21, 4:55 pm |
| WELL SAID...........Could not have said it better. Go VERIZON.... 2Thumbs
Up... Can you hear me now!!!!
<dalite01@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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quote:
>
> <infinitisound@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1119330641.588310.159690@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> .
> ---------------------Nextel
> simulation--------------------------------------
> (2 seconds) Person A -> Person B : "Where did you park the truck?"
>
> (2 seconds) Person B- > Person A: "I dont ^&*())*(&*&*^%*%^%& C because
> he **********d it"
> (2 Seconds) Person A - > Person B: "Come Again; I didn't get that."
>
> (2 Seconds) Person B -> Person A: "Sorry, I didn't get all that; Did you
> want me to go with you to the car dealership to buy a new Truck?"
>
> (2 seconds) Person A-> Person B - "Huh? There must be some mistake. I
> want to know where you parked the truck."
>
> (2 seconds) Person B-> Person A: "I dont know, Ask person C because he
> parked it"
>
> (2 seconds) Person A-> Person C: "Where %^&*()(&*&(* you
> ()()()(_)(_)(_)( van?"
>
> (2 seconds) Person C -> Person A "I can't understand you; call me on my
> cell phone"
>
> Total Nextel overhead connection time: 10 seconds for connects; actual
> conversation time is unpredictable, as the audio quality is too
> undependable to have a straight conversation whithout addiding additional
> time for repeating or explaining what you just didn't say.
>
> ---------------------Verizon
> imulation--------------------------------------
> (15 seconds) Person A -> Person B : "Where did you park the truck?"
> (2 seconds) Person B- > Person A: "I dont know, Ask person C because
> he parked it"
> (15 seconds) Person A-> Person C: "Where did you park the van?"
> (2 seconds) Person C -> Person A "Its behind the stage"
> (15 seconds) Person A -> Person B "Can you go get the cables from the
> truck since you are closest"
>
> Total Verizon overhead connection time: 47 seconds
> This long delay is due to the person having to end then intiate calls
> to different people. The 15 seconds is were a new connection is made.
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
> VZ PTT still has a way to go. It is unlikely it will ever be as quick as
> Nextel PTT, as they are 2 different animals. However, if my life was
> depending on interaction with someone else, I would rather lose a minute
> with slow dependable communcations compared to quick unintelligibility.
>
> This is probably why Snipers dont use short barrelled full automatic
> weapons, and why Hollywood insists on showing a scene where the villian
> alswua screws a surpressor on a wheel gun. A single, well placed
> projectile is far more effective than causing eventual medical hardship on
> the tatrget due to lead poisioning from the dust in the air created by
> flying bullets from a full auto lead dispensing system; just because it is
> faster......
>
> I found that I can forgo a lot of showmanship for a little dependability;
> but that seems to be a foreign idea in today's society.
>
> It's kinda like the old Bull explaining to the yearling that you don't run
> out in the pasture to service one cow; you walk down there and service
> them all.
>
> Your Mileage May Vary........................
>
| |
| Zman53 2005-06-21, 4:55 pm |
| That is not at all what I stated. Please read my post carefully. I only
stated a fact, that you can use Nextel DC anywhere you can use Nextel Cell,
but not the same with Verizon. I offered no opinion as to which I would
rather use...
"Jeff P" < jeffpNO@SPAMruralram
p.net> wrote in message
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quote:
>
> "Zman53" <zman53@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:W_Dte.346$Y75.128@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...
They[vbcol=darkred]
>
> So you are saying you would rather have "No Service" from Nextel than to
be
quote:
> able to make an analog call in remote areas on Verizon?
>
> -Jeff
>
>
| |
| Zman53 2005-06-21, 4:55 pm |
| I'm surprised you're able to make an intelligible phone call on any
system...
"Jimmie James" <james@james.com> wrote in message
news:nmWte.17712$fa3.2554@trndny01...
quote:
> Hasn't Happened Yet.......3 Days and not one garbled dropped connection.
> Verizon finally got their act together. Can You Hear Me Now!!! And on
top
quote:
> of that I can actually make a clear intelligible phone call. Can't do
that
quote:
> with Nextel.
>
>
> <dalite01@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:xGVte.42346$zm.39847@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
of[vbcol=darkred]
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>
>
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| George 2005-06-21, 10:55 pm |
| infinitisound@yahoo.com wrote:
quote:
> Verizon's PTT is the about the same speed as you calling someone up on
> the cell phone.
I have noticed in the past 6 months or so that it only takes 3~4 seconds
to have the phone on the other end actually ring after I press send.
| |
| Larry W4CSC 2005-06-21, 10:55 pm |
| "Jimmie James" <james@james.com> wrote in news:eNKte.5577$R6.5255@trndny04:
quote:
> CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW!!! 2 Thumbs Up for Verizon!!!
>
>
One more question....please.
Why would anyone, on any company, use a PTT walkie talkie, even if it
worked perfect, holding a perfectly-great-working FULL DUPLEX telephone in
their hands with a built-in speakerphone?? Is this some kind of retro
novelty or trend-setting statement?
I've been using PTT on ham and 2-way radios since 1957. I was 11, by the
way. I don't see why anyone would want to use it...
--
Larry
You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and your outlined in
chalk.
| |
| Jimmy D 2005-06-21, 10:55 pm |
| Ok, I have had the Verizon PTT for three days. The PTT works flawlessly.
No garbled transmissions yet. Works everywhere that I have went over the
last three days. Phila, NJ and DE. Can't say that for the Nextel I had for
the last 5 years. I am very satisfied with the PTT and recommend that all
Nextel users give the Verizon 15 day trial a try. I believe you too will
not be disappointed and will make the switch. Don't knock it till you try
it!!!!!
"Jimmy D" <jimmyd@anon.com> wrote in message
news:phyte.21723$qr1.8628@trndny07...
quote:
> Well I finally made the switch from Nextel to Verizon. Here is the
> deal......
>
> Verizon's initial connect time is approximately 2 Seconds then nearly
> instant after that. I can use it in my house. Big plus over Nextel as I
> would have no service displayed on the screen most of the time. Verizon
> PTT is by far HANDS DOWN Clearer than Nextel.
>
> 2 THUMBS UP to Verizon. Great job. IMHO once Verizon advertises their PTT
> and people see that it is much improved over their first rollout I believe
> that Nextel will lose market share quickly. Go VERIZON!!!
>
| |
| iRadioChicago 2005-06-22, 6:55 am |
| The Bottom line is Nextel cell service has been getting worse every year ( I
had them for ten ) Most people I talk to with Nextel state that the novelty
of it has gone away. With the price of cell minutes going down using the
cell part of the phone is more logical. Sorry Nextel but I tried and I for
one cannot take CALL FAILED or USER BUSY IN DATA no more... - Me
"Jimmy D" <james@anon.com> wrote in message
news:%g2ue.10635$tG.241@trnddc05...
quote:
> Ok, I have had the Verizon PTT for three days. The PTT works flawlessly.
> No garbled transmissions yet. Works everywhere that I have went over the
> last three days. Phila, NJ and DE. Can't say that for the Nextel I had
> for the last 5 years. I am very satisfied with the PTT and recommend that
> all Nextel users give the Verizon 15 day trial a try. I believe you too
> will not be disappointed and will make the switch. Don't knock it till
> you try it!!!!!
>
>
> "Jimmy D" <jimmyd@anon.com> wrote in message
> news:phyte.21723$qr1.8628@trndny07...
>
>
| |
|
|
"Larry W4CSC" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:Xns967CCA25296D
w4csc@63.223.7.253...
quote:
> "Jimmie James" <james@james.com> wrote in
news:eNKte.5577$R6. 5255@trndny04:[vbcol
=darkred]
>
>
> One more question....please.
>
> Why would anyone, on any company, use a PTT walkie talkie, even if it
> worked perfect, holding a perfectly-great-working FULL DUPLEX telephone in
> their hands with a built-in speakerphone?? Is this some kind of retro
> novelty or trend-setting statement?
>
> I've been using PTT on ham and 2-way radios since 1957. I was 11, by the
> way. I don't see why anyone would want to use it...
>[/vbcol]
Try this- you need to contact an associate to get numbers for a presentation
and you are not at your desk. You contact your associate (who is also not at
his desk) and he says he'll get them for you as soon as he returns. Once at
his desk, he contacts you to get specifics and contacts you an hour later
with the numbers.
In the cellular world, you have each burned a minimum of 4 minutes of call
time to accomplish this simple task. Multiply this by a fair number of
these calls a month and you have effectively burned through most of your
plan minutes. Last I knew, Nextel billed PTT in 6 second increments, which
means that the 4 minutes of cellular could be as little as 1 minute of PTT
time or less. Much more cost effective.
Now, take the same situation, except that your associate is at his desk and
you need the numbers absolutely ASAP. He takes the time to find the numbers
while you wait.
In the cellular world, you are again spending minutes, only this time most
of them are spent on an unproductive hold. With PTT, your phone is only
tied up and billed when you are actually using it.
Finally, take the scenario a step further and you have to report the numbers
to a group of company executives (remember, you are not at your desk). In
the cellular world, you can make a number of individual calls to convey the
information. With PTT, you can make a single announcement.
Despite your own lack of understanding of the efficiencies, it is actually a
very effective tool in the business world. The fact that the technology is
not cutting edge has no bearing on its usefullness.
| |
| infinitisound@yahoo.com 2005-06-22, 6:55 am |
| For the same reason, Police, Firemen, Drivers, industrial workers,
security guards do.
Ask your self why they don't call each other up on speaker phones.
| |
| infinitisound@yahoo.com 2005-06-22, 6:55 am |
| Very well said but from the financial side of things, Verizon attempts
to compete by having free in network calls. Nextel has unlimited
direct connect. So the competitive business makes the prices go down.
I think the problem with Verizon PTT is people don't understand the
need for PTT. People that think Verizon PTT is adequte are people that
don't really need PTT. In my business, I can get things done much much
faster with Nextel PTT than any other type of service.
| |
| infinitisound@yahoo.com 2005-06-22, 6:55 am |
| -- snip --
Don't knock it till you try
it!!!!!
-- snip ---
I did try it so I will knock it. 15 seconds connect time just does not
cut it for people who need a true PTT.
The verizon ptt is not meant for serious customers who need a true PTT.
Verizon knows this too and thats why you don't see commercials and
marketing campaigns that show off the PTT.
| |
|
|
<infinitisound@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1119411119.322406.110400@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
quote:
> Very well said but from the financial side of things, Verizon attempts
> to compete by having free in network calls. Nextel has unlimited
> direct connect. So the competitive business makes the prices go down.
All good points. I threw in the financial stuff to make part of the point.
The real message was the amount of time being spent on the phone.
quote:
>
> I think the problem with Verizon PTT is people don't understand the
> need for PTT. People that think Verizon PTT is adequte are people that
> don't really need PTT. In my business, I can get things done much much
> faster with Nextel PTT than any other type of service.
>
Agreed. The last thing I need is to hang on the phone for something that
takes a few seconds to do with PTT. The ability to contact a group with the
push of a button is also a nice feature. Anything less than instant
connection is not acceptable.
| |
|
| infinitisound@yahoo.com wrote:
quote:
> -- snip --
> Don't knock it till you try
> it!!!!!
> -- snip ---
>
> I did try it so I will knock it. 15 seconds connect time
> just does not cut it for people who need a true PTT.
> The verizon ptt is not meant for serious customers who
> need a true PTT. Verizon knows this too and thats why
> you don't see commercials and marketing campaigns that
> show off the PTT.
Now that you mention it, I'd forgotten about VZW PTT
after the first go round on this group. I can't remember
seeing a single ad.
-Quick
| |
| Big Bob 2005-06-22, 6:55 am |
| infinitisound@yahoo.com wrote in
news:1119411396.929135.309800@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
quote:
> I did try it so I will knock it. 15 seconds connect time just does
> not cut it for people who need a true PTT. The verizon ptt is not
> meant for serious customers who need a true PTT.
> Verizon knows this too and thats why you don't see commercials and
> marketing campaigns that show off the PTT.
Wha!?!?!?!?
I am completely confused. Taking into account all the different ways
that one uses PTT, what kind of business do you have to be in where 15
seconds are a life or death matter?
Need sales numbers from an associate for a presentation? Need to let
your secretary know you will be tied up in a meeting all afternoon? Need
to call your wife to bring you new pants cause youcrapped the ones you
are wearing? Need to talk to the boss about a problem with the
blueprints? Need to tell your lunch buddy to order you a triple w/
cheese with double everything on it and a large artery clogging batch of
deep fat fried obesity inducing charred to a crisp and salted to the
hilt tasteless potato strips? Need to call all your past sexual partners
and let them know you got the clap?
How on God's green earth does that 15 seconds matter?
I feel that those who are sucking wind about the connect time are
whining about a problem that doesn't exist. This is valuing the tires
of the car more than the engine. No engine no go. No tires, slow
going, but you will get somewhere.
I have been reading this thread laughing. I have used both services,
and I can tell you this much. Screw PTT. Pick up the dang phone and
talk for a change.
It is amazing how this technology has devolved into making a cellular
device into a CB Radio and then whining about quality, range and connect
time.
Does anyone in this stupid fight realize that the device you hold in
your hand takes your voice, digitally encrypts it and transmits it to a
tower that you cant see, then receives incoming data, decrypts it into
an analog wave and pumps it through a tiny speaker? Stinking incredible
if you ask me!
Do whatever you want, but understand that you are using an incredible
technology. The fact that either of the PTT technologies even work
without any visible wiring is a miracle in and of itself.
BigBob
| |
| Steve Sobol 2005-06-22, 6:55 am |
| Big Bob wrote:
quote:
> I am completely confused. Taking into account all the different ways
> that one uses PTT, what kind of business do you have to be in where 15
> seconds are a life or death matter?
Nextel markets to municipalities and other political organizations that run
emergency services (for example, fire/police departments). In such cases,
you'd better believe 15 seconds can be the difference between life and death.
Now, I'm pretty sure Verizon is aiming more at business customers, and in
99.9% of the cases where businesses are involved you're probably right.
However, I think 15 seconds is an awfully long time to wait to make a PTT
connection. Unacceptably long, FWIW, in which case my choice would be
Nextel, or maybe Sprint. I don't know how Sprint is, but they're supposed to
be much better than Verizon. My brother just switched to Sprint and got a
ReadyLink phone, but AFAIK he doesn't know anyone else with one, so he can't
test their PTT... :)
quote:
> Do whatever you want, but understand that you are using an incredible
> technology. The fact that either of the PTT technologies even work
> without any visible wiring is a miracle in and of itself.
I agree. :>
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| |
| infinitisound@yahoo.com 2005-06-22, 6:55 am |
| --- snip ---
Taking into account all the different ways
that one uses PTT, what kind of business do you have to be in where 15
seconds are a life or death matter?
Need sales numbers from an associate for a presentation? Need to let
your secretary know you will be tied up in a meeting all afternoon?
.... etc
--- snip ---
One of my points is PTT is not for everyone. People that utilize PTT
like that there is practically no delay.
It's simply a feature that people like. Imagine that you had a TV that
took 15 deconds to change a channel the first time you click the
remote. Some people could live with it, some people can't. Just
like some people insist on high speed Internet access and others don't.
There are instances where people want to communicate in near real time.
If you don't need PTT, then get a Verizon phone. I have one for
personal use. If you want a responsive PTT, get Nextel.
An important issue of this discussion is that Verizon's PTT is not as
good as Nextel's. Whether PTT is a useful thing or not is up to the
user.
When chosing a provider, one should consider everything including
*coverage in the area where you use it
*price plans
*PTT quality
*cell phone
*connection reliablility
*phone features and durability
.... and the list goes on.
My advice is for the user to be educated. I don't like when people
believe Nextel's PTT is as good as Verizon's. It is not. Try before
you buy!
| |
|
| However, knowing the spectrum that Nextel uses for their service is within
the the 800 MHz public Safety Band, and the ever expanding list of official
complaints to the FCC by Public Safety pertaining to interferene caused by
Nextel.........
I don't see this cause of RF interference to Public Safety to be a good
thing; especially if it keeps public Safety officers from doing thieir job
efficiently; or is the cause of loss of life.........
The 15 seconds (and more) delay is offten caused by lost Public Safety comms
that were effectively jammed by adjacent Nextel exchanges - And you are so
correct is stating it is a life and death matter.
---------------- Much S N I P P A G E ----------------------
quote:
> Big Bob wrote:
>
> emergency services (for example, fire/police departments). In such cases,
> you'd better believe 15 seconds can be the difference between life and
> death.
>
| |
|
| There is no question of whether VZ has the speed of connect that Nextel
does.
As long as the build-out is adequate for good 800MHz radio coms, Nextel has
provided intelligible results in some areas.
If there is a need for PTT (or Cellular) services where intelligible results
all the time, the VZ build-out is consistently more dense than Nextel.
I want my weapon to fire every time; even if I have to take the time to cock
it before use. Just shooting blindly into the air (in order to get the
first shot [Nextel] ) isn't my idea of self-preservation.
In a large city, where both communicationg parties are consistently under
tha signal umbrella, Nextel does an acceptable job over 50% of the time.
However, in real-life situations, the "horseshoes and hangrenades" rule does
not apply apply.
And then there is the Nextel vs Southern Linc issue that we have to suffer
through in the Deep South. There is nothing worse than having 5 bars of
signal and getting a No Service message on the display because of the
screwing that Southern Linc got from Nextel in past business dealings.
There tends to be even wider non-usage areas for Nextel Customers in areas
where Southern Linc is using the ssame Spectrum on their Iden phones
service.
<infinitisound@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1119422702.722885.283820@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
quote:
> --- snip ---
> Taking into account all the different ways
> that one uses PTT, what kind of business do you have to be in where 15
> seconds are a life or death matter?
> Need sales numbers from an associate for a presentation? Need to let
> your secretary know you will be tied up in a meeting all afternoon?
> ... etc
> --- snip ---
>
> One of my points is PTT is not for everyone. People that utilize PTT
> like that there is practically no delay.
>
> It's simply a feature that people like. Imagine that you had a TV that
> took 15 deconds to change a channel the first time you click the
> remote. Some people could live with it, some people can't. Just
> like some people insist on high speed Internet access and others don't.
> There are instances where people want to communicate in near real time.
>
> If you don't need PTT, then get a Verizon phone. I have one for
> personal use. If you want a responsive PTT, get Nextel.
>
> An important issue of this discussion is that Verizon's PTT is not as
> good as Nextel's. Whether PTT is a useful thing or not is up to the
> user.
>
> When chosing a provider, one should consider everything including
> *coverage in the area where you use it
> *price plans
> *PTT quality
> *cell phone
> *connection reliablility
> *phone features and durability
> ... and the list goes on.
>
> My advice is for the user to be educated. I don't like when people
> believe Nextel's PTT is as good as Verizon's. It is not. Try before
> you buy!
>
| |
| Zman53 2005-06-22, 4:55 pm |
| This is why Nextel is going through re-banding and is giving up their 800
MHz spectrum.
<dalite01@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:IYcue.118080$8S5.66425@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
quote:
> However, knowing the spectrum that Nextel uses for their service is within
> the the 800 MHz public Safety Band, and the ever expanding list of
official
quote:
> complaints to the FCC by Public Safety pertaining to interferene caused by
> Nextel.........
>
> I don't see this cause of RF interference to Public Safety to be a good
> thing; especially if it keeps public Safety officers from doing thieir job
> efficiently; or is the cause of loss of life.........
>
> The 15 seconds (and more) delay is offten caused by lost Public Safety
comms
quote:
> that were effectively jammed by adjacent Nextel exchanges - And you are so
> correct is stating it is a life and death matter.
>
> ---------------- Much S N I P P A G E ----------------------
that[vbcol=darkred]
cases,[vbcol=darkred
]
>
>
| |
| George 2005-06-22, 4:55 pm |
| Steve Sobol wrote:
quote:
> Big Bob wrote:
>
>
>
> Nextel markets to municipalities and other political organizations that
> run emergency services (for example, fire/police departments). In such
> cases, you'd better believe 15 seconds can be the difference between
> life and death.
I guess those municipalities don't ask many questions. Nextel forgets
little stuff like emergency generators at many of their sites.
We were recently working at a location that happened to have a Nextel
site in the rear of the property. There was a local power failure. The
building we were in had emergency generators so we were able to keep
working. A few hours after the power went off the Nextel guy showed up
to check out why the site was down. He had the door propped open so we
wandered over. He said it took so long for him to get there because
there were only two people who covered a very large area. There was no
generator and he said that he could go get a trailer mounted unit but it
wasn't a company requirement. The site only had a couple cheepo lead
acid batteries that were sloppily connected. He said they would keep the
site up for 15 minutes. We asked him if this was a typical setup and he
said it was.
quote:
>
> Now, I'm pretty sure Verizon is aiming more at business customers, and
> in 99.9% of the cases where businesses are involved you're probably
> right. However, I think 15 seconds is an awfully long time to wait to
> make a PTT connection. Unacceptably long, FWIW, in which case my choice
> would be Nextel, or maybe Sprint. I don't know how Sprint is, but
> they're supposed to be much better than Verizon. My brother just
> switched to Sprint and got a ReadyLink phone, but AFAIK he doesn't know
> anyone else with one, so he can't test their PTT... :)
>
>
>
> I agree. :>
>
| |
| Traveling Man 2005-06-22, 4:55 pm |
| On 21 Jun 2005 20:26:31 -0700, infinitisound@yahoo.com wrote:
quote:
> For the same reason, Police, Firemen, Drivers, industrial workers,
> security guards do.
>
> Ask your self why they don't call each other up on speaker phones.
Actually many police officers do carry cell phones now since they often need
to call citizens or businesses, and want to avoid the scanner freaks who
monitor the police radios for "hot" happenings.
Not every PD has the new digital radio systems.
| |
| Steve Sobol 2005-06-22, 4:55 pm |
| dalite01@bellsouth.net wrote:
quote:
> However, knowing the spectrum that Nextel uses for their service is within
> the the 800 MHz public Safety Band, and the ever expanding list of official
> complaints to the FCC by Public Safety pertaining to interferene caused by
> Nextel.........
But they're switching frequencies because of that, no?
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| |
| Steve Sobol 2005-06-22, 4:55 pm |
| George wrote:
quote:
> Steve Sobol wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I guess those municipalities don't ask many questions. Nextel forgets
> little stuff like emergency generators at many of their sites.
I don't know how many municipalities have actually SIGNED UP with Nextel;
I'm just saying Nextel markets to them.
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temperatures are as high as the gas prices! / 888.480.4NET (4638)
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| |
| Jimmy D 2005-06-22, 10:55 pm |
| However you have to hope that your NEXTEL works when you need it. It's a
very poor antiquated system . They are overloaded with Boost Mobile. Funny
thing happened today for example. I was sitting right next to a current
Nextel user. I'm sure you are extremely aware of the annoying Nextel noise
that the phone makes when the system is screwed up and you can't get
through. Well there I am just PTT away with my new Verizon VX4700. The
call was going through just smoothly as it has the last four days that I had
it activated. No busy signals! No User Not Available messages. No stand by
while the Nextel user your trying to reach is located. I'm sure all you
Nextel users all heard that before! My calls just go right on through the
way a service that I am paying for should. I am very sure that there is
going to be a big pile of JUNK NEXTEL'S somewhere soon. Just wait till
Verizon starts the advertising campaign again. LOL!!!
"SS" < nospam1336479852@wop
dj.net> wrote in message
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fRVn-pw@adelphia.com...
quote:
>
> "Larry W4CSC" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns967CCA25296D
w4csc@63.223.7.253...
> news:eNKte.5577$R6.5255@trndny04:
>
> Try this- you need to contact an associate to get numbers for a
> presentation
> and you are not at your desk. You contact your associate (who is also not
> at
> his desk) and he says he'll get them for you as soon as he returns. Once
> at
> his desk, he contacts you to get specifics and contacts you an hour later
> with the numbers.
>
> In the cellular world, you have each burned a minimum of 4 minutes of call
> time to accomplish this simple task. Multiply this by a fair number of
> these calls a month and you have effectively burned through most of your
> plan minutes. Last I knew, Nextel billed PTT in 6 second increments,
> which
> means that the 4 minutes of cellular could be as little as 1 minute of PTT
> time or less. Much more cost effective.
>
> Now, take the same situation, except that your associate is at his desk
> and
> you need the numbers absolutely ASAP. He takes the time to find the
> numbers
> while you wait.
>
> In the cellular world, you are again spending minutes, only this time most
> of them are spent on an unproductive hold. With PTT, your phone is only
> tied up and billed when you are actually using it.
>
> Finally, take the scenario a step further and you have to report the
> numbers
> to a group of company executives (remember, you are not at your desk). In
> the cellular world, you can make a number of individual calls to convey
> the
> information. With PTT, you can make a single announcement.
>
> Despite your own lack of understanding of the efficiencies, it is actually
> a
> very effective tool in the business world. The fact that the technology
> is
> not cutting edge has no bearing on its usefullness.
>
>
| |
| Jimmy D 2005-06-22, 10:55 pm |
| Maybe when it works!!!
<infinitisound@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1119411119.322406.110400@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
quote:
> Very well said but from the financial side of things, Verizon attempts
> to compete by having free in network calls. Nextel has unlimited
> direct connect. So the competitive business makes the prices go down.
>
> I think the problem with Verizon PTT is people don't understand the
> need for PTT. People that think Verizon PTT is adequte are people that
> don't really need PTT. In my business, I can get things done much much
> faster with Nextel PTT than any other type of service.
>
| |
| Jimmy D 2005-06-22, 10:55 pm |
| Right on Pal!!!
"iRadioChicago" < iradiochicago@comcas
t.net> wrote in message
news:A8WdnWPGuqHeXiX
fRVn-vQ@comcast.com...
quote:
> The Bottom line is Nextel cell service has been getting worse every year
> ( I had them for ten ) Most people I talk to with Nextel state that the
> novelty of it has gone away. With the price of cell minutes going down
> using the cell part of the phone is more logical. Sorry Nextel but I tried
> and I for one cannot take CALL FAILED or USER BUSY IN DATA no more... - Me
> "Jimmy D" <james@anon.com> wrote in message
> news:%g2ue.10635$tG.241@trnddc05...
>
>
| |
| Jimmy D 2005-06-22, 10:55 pm |
| 15 Seconds? Are you kidding me? The longest delay I have had with the tests
over the last four days was the initial connection at 7, that's right, SEVEN
SECONDS then 1 second back and forth. Maybe when the Verizon service first
came out in 2003 you had a 15 second delay between transmissions, but not
now. You need to be a little more informed before you make false statements
like that.
<infinitisound@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1119411396.929135.309800@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
quote:
> -- snip --
> Don't knock it till you try
> it!!!!!
> -- snip ---
>
> I did try it so I will knock it. 15 seconds connect time just does not
> cut it for people who need a true PTT.
> The verizon ptt is not meant for serious customers who need a true PTT.
> Verizon knows this too and thats why you don't see commercials and
> marketing campaigns that show off the PTT.
>
| |
| Jimmy D 2005-06-22, 10:55 pm |
| Thank God for Nextel that Verizon has not started advertising yet. Then
they would live up to their logo -- NEXTEL -- DONE!!!!!!!
"Quick" <quick7135-news@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1119415393.731492@sj-nntpcache-3...
quote:
> infinitisound@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Now that you mention it, I'd forgotten about VZW PTT
> after the first go round on this group. I can't remember
> seeing a single ad.
>
> -Quick
>
>
| |
| Jimmy D 2005-06-22, 10:55 pm |
| LMFAO!!!!! He He He
"Big Bob" <nolanr*@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns967DF07B872D
bigbob54@65.24.3.139...
quote:
> infinitisound@yahoo.com wrote in
> news:1119411396.929135.309800@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
>
> Wha!?!?!?!?
>
> I am completely confused. Taking into account all the different ways
> that one uses PTT, what kind of business do you have to be in where 15
> seconds are a life or death matter?
>
> Need sales numbers from an associate for a presentation? Need to let
> your secretary know you will be tied up in a meeting all afternoon? Need
> to call your wife to bring you new pants cause youcrapped the ones you
> are wearing? Need to talk to the boss about a problem with the
> blueprints? Need to tell your lunch buddy to order you a triple w/
> cheese with double everything on it and a large artery clogging batch of
> deep fat fried obesity inducing charred to a crisp and salted to the
> hilt tasteless potato strips? Need to call all your past sexual partners
> and let them know you got the clap?
>
> How on God's green earth does that 15 seconds matter?
>
> I feel that those who are sucking wind about the connect time are
> whining about a problem that doesn't exist. This is valuing the tires
> of the car more than the engine. No engine no go. No tires, slow
> going, but you will get somewhere.
>
> I have been reading this thread laughing. I have used both services,
> and I can tell you this much. Screw PTT. Pick up the dang phone and
> talk for a change.
>
> It is amazing how this technology has devolved into making a cellular
> device into a CB Radio and then whining about quality, range and connect
> time.
>
> Does anyone in this stupid fight realize that the device you hold in
> your hand takes your voice, digitally encrypts it and transmits it to a
> tower that you cant see, then receives incoming data, decrypts it into
> an analog wave and pumps it through a tiny speaker? Stinking incredible
> if you ask me!
>
> Do whatever you want, but understand that you are using an incredible
> technology. The fact that either of the PTT technologies even work
> without any visible wiring is a miracle in and of itself.
>
> BigBob
>
| |
| Jimmy D 2005-06-22, 10:55 pm |
| Very, Very Well Said!
<dalite01@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:l6due.118124$8S5.81905@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
quote:
> There is no question of whether VZ has the speed of connect that Nextel
> does.
>
> As long as the build-out is adequate for good 800MHz radio coms, Nextel
> has provided intelligible results in some areas.
>
> If there is a need for PTT (or Cellular) services where intelligible
> results all the time, the VZ build-out is consistently more dense than
> Nextel.
>
> I want my weapon to fire every time; even if I have to take the time to
> cock it before use. Just shooting blindly into the air (in order to get
> the first shot [Nextel] ) isn't my idea of self-preservation.
>
> In a large city, where both communicationg parties are consistently under
> tha signal umbrella, Nextel does an acceptable job over 50% of the time.
| |
|
| Actually, Nextel is starting to use some spill-over in the 900 MHz band, but
they will still be utilizing the Public Safety spectrun for their main
traffic.
They had the chance to stop interfering with public safety, and took the
easy way out.
"Zman53" <zman53@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:kgdue.1467$re.1348@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
quote:
> This is why Nextel is going through re-banding and is giving up their 800
> MHz spectrum.
> <dalite01@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:IYcue.118080$8S5.66425@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> official
> comms
> that
> cases,
>
>
| |
|
|
"Jimmy D" <james@anon.com> wrote in message
news:Dqnue.9377$Wb.8506@trndny03...
quote:
> However you have to hope that your NEXTEL works when you need it. It's a
> very poor antiquated system . They are overloaded with Boost Mobile.
Funny
quote:
> thing happened today for example. I was sitting right next to a current
> Nextel user. I'm sure you are extremely aware of the annoying Nextel
noise
quote:
> that the phone makes when the system is screwed up and you can't get
> through. Well there I am just PTT away with my new Verizon VX4700. The
> call was going through just smoothly as it has the last four days that I
had
quote:
> it activated. No busy signals! No User Not Available messages. No stand
by
quote:
> while the Nextel user your trying to reach is located. I'm sure all you
> Nextel users all heard that before! My calls just go right on through the
> way a service that I am paying for should. I am very sure that there is
> going to be a big pile of JUNK NEXTEL'S somewhere soon. Just wait till
> Verizon starts the advertising campaign again. LOL!!!
>
>
Actually, I have rarely (count them on one hand) had that kind of a problem
with a Nextel phone. I have used the PTT for thousands of hours with only a
few instances of a busy network. The only problem has been living on the
very edge of coverage, which isn't their fault.
VZW will never cut into the market- most of the people using Nextel PTT
can't afford to replace the cheap and fragile VZW phones every other week.
| |
|
|
<dalite01@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:VDoue.125523$CR5.16718@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
quote:
> Actually, Nextel is starting to use some spill-over in the 900 MHz band,
but
quote:
> they will still be utilizing the Public Safety spectrun for their main
> traffic.
>
> They had the chance to stop interfering with public safety, and took the
> easy way out.
>
>
I don't know where you've been, but Nextel has agreed to give up its 800MHz
spectrum. They did that quite a while ago. They have already started
rebanding and will be moving to 1.9 GHz in the very near future. I don't
remember the cost to the company, but it has quoted in the billions of
dollars, as they will bear the entire cost of any modifcations needed by the
Public Safety agencies involved.
What is this 'easy way out' you talk about?
| |
|
|
"Jimmy D" <james@anon.com> wrote in message
news:Yxnue.2061$c97.1015@trndny07...
quote:
> 15 Seconds? Are you kidding me? The longest delay I have had with the
tests
quote:
> over the last four days was the initial connection at 7, that's right,
SEVEN
quote:
> SECONDS then 1 second back and forth. Maybe when the Verizon service
first
quote:
> came out in 2003 you had a 15 second delay between transmissions, but not
> now. You need to be a little more informed before you make false
statements
quote:
> like that.
>
This thread made me stop by a Verizon store on the way home tonight. The
first test had an initial setup time of 16 seconds. The second test had a
setup of 10 seconds, but that involved physically dialing the second phone
(from the time the phone actually dialed until the second phone rang). The
third test went back to PTT and took 13 seconds to connect.
Morale of the story- why spend longer to set up a one way connection when
you can have a full duplex connection in less time? PTT on Verizon has no
benefit.
| |
| Larry W4CSC 2005-06-23, 6:55 am |
| "SS" < nospam1336479852@wop
dj.net> wrote in
news:iPGdnSE0ff9NWyX
fRVn-pw@adelphia.com:
quote:
> In
> the cellular world, you can make a number of individual calls to
> convey the information. With PTT, you can make a single announcement.
>
Group announcements I can see if 3-way calling won't work, but I've never
heard anyone I've been in earshot on Nextel make a group announcement....
I suppose I see your point about the 4 minutes. But minutes are so cheap
now, compared to what they used to be. Calling is easier. Pushing that
button wastes everyone's time in the group having to listen to the channel
chatter all day to see if the call is for them, very annoying if the group
is large. To call "Ed", I push the button on the side of the V60 and say
"Ed" and it rings his cellphone. "Ed's desk" rings his office phone.
Noone else hears what I say to Ed and noone else had to be annoyed from
their work to see if Ed's call was for them. They never knew I called Ed.
Just seems we've taken a step back into the Motorola Taxi Radio days....
Those guys in the warehouse have better things to do than listen to the
calls on the Nextel Intercom.
--
Larry
You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and your outlined in
chalk.
| |
| Larry W4CSC 2005-06-23, 6:55 am |
| infinitisound@yahoo.com wrote in
news:1119411119.322406.110400@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
quote:
> In my business, I can get things done much much
> faster with Nextel PTT than any other type of service.
>
But, don't you think productivity drops with a whole group of workers
having to listen to 2-way radio calls on their PTT, rather than private
calls which don't annoy them or interrupt their productivity?
The 4-minutes-used on the other post is moot, now that in-network calling
is free and unlimited. Ed and I can talk on full duplex Alltel 24/7/365 if
the chargers are plugged in with no cost to either of us. The money point
is now moot. The convenience and tax on productivity from the 2-way radio
calling isn't. Too bad the PTT phones aren't some how addressable, like
the full duplex cellular calls are so noone has to listen to the channel
chatter....like a damned PA system in the factory, which is awful.
--
Larry
You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and your outlined in
chalk.
| |
| Larry W4CSC 2005-06-23, 6:55 am |
| "SS" < nospam1336479852@wop
dj.net> wrote in
news:fuidnbDWTPWpfyX
fRVn-oQ@adelphia.com:
quote:
> Agreed. The last thing I need is to hang on the phone for something
> that takes a few seconds to do with PTT. The ability to contact a
> group with the push of a button is also a nice feature. Anything less
> than instant connection is not acceptable.
>
>
He CAN call you back, for free in network, when he finds what you're
looking for. As a matter of fact, he can just put it directly to your
voicemail if you are that busy so you can have it at your leisure....
--
Larry
You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and your outlined in
chalk.
| |
| Larry W4CSC 2005-06-23, 6:55 am |
| Big Bob <nolanr*@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:Xns967DF07B872D
bigbob54@65.24.3.139:
quote:
> what kind of business do you have to be in where 15
> seconds are a life or death matter?
>
Any business where you are standing in front of an important client waving
large bags of cash at you and HE has to wait those 15 seconds, which appear
as years as he scowls at you, thinking about taking his business
elsewhere....that's where.
--
Larry
You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and your outlined in
chalk.
| |
|
|
"Larry W4CSC" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:Xns967DEB25FF9A
Aw4csc@63.223.7.253...
quote:
> "SS" < nospam1336479852@wop
dj.net> wrote in
> news:iPGdnSE0ff9NWyX
fRVn-pw@adelphia.com:
>
>
> Group announcements I can see if 3-way calling won't work, but I've never
> heard anyone I've been in earshot on Nextel make a group announcement....
How would you know the size of the audience involved? And 3-way is great if
your target audience is only two people.
quote:
>
> I suppose I see your point about the 4 minutes. But minutes are so cheap
> now, compared to what they used to be. Calling is easier. Pushing that
> button wastes everyone's time in the group having to listen to the channel
> chatter all day to see if the call is for them, very annoying if the group
> is large.
I think there's a little confusion here- contacting an individual by PTT
only connects with that user- no chatter on anybody else's unit. Group talk
is designed specifically for that- talking to the entire group.
quote:
>To call "Ed", I push the button on the side of the V60 and say
> "Ed" and it rings his cellphone. "Ed's desk" rings his office phone.
> Noone else hears what I say to Ed and noone else had to be annoyed from
> their work to see if Ed's call was for them. They never knew I called Ed.
Another PTT myth- you always here the conversation. Not true- the only time
my PTT is on speaker is when I'm in the car. You could stand right next to
me and never know which method of communication I'm using when I'm not in my
car.
quote:
>
> Just seems we've taken a step back into the Motorola Taxi Radio days....
> Those guys in the warehouse have better things to do than listen to the
> calls on the Nextel Intercom.
>
> --
How is it different from listening for a ringtone?
| |
|
|
"Larry W4CSC" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:Xns967DEBEB0F4B
Ew4csc@63.223.7.253...
quote:
> infinitisound@yahoo.com wrote in
> news:1119411119.322406.110400@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
>
> But, don't you think productivity drops with a whole group of workers
> having to listen to 2-way radio calls on their PTT, rather than private
> calls which don't annoy them or interrupt their productivity?
>
> The 4-minutes-used on the other post is moot, now that in-network calling
> is free and unlimited. Ed and I can talk on full duplex Alltel 24/7/365
if
quote:
> the chargers are plugged in with no cost to either of us. The money point
> is now moot. The convenience and tax on productivity from the 2-way radio
> calling isn't. Too bad the PTT phones aren't some how addressable, like
> the full duplex cellular calls are so noone has to listen to the channel
> chatter....like a damned PA system in the factory, which is awful.
I can't believe that you don't know that they are addressable. A PTT 'call'
to a single user does not create channel chatter on other units. Only the
unit alerted hears the call.
| |
|
|
I went to a Verizon Store and they could not get the two way to work, to
demo it to me!!!!!!!!!!
CAN YOU HERE ME NOW? NOOOOOOOOO
<infinitisound@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1119298669.085804.165650@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
quote:
>I simply do not believe this. I tried verizon's PTT and it took 15
> seconds to connect.
> The only way it could take 2 seconds is if it was already connected.
>
> Try hitting end on both phones then try your Verizon PTT. I bet it
> takes much longer than 2 seconds.
>
> ****
> One thing that that readers should be aware of is that handset will
> beep as if the message is instantly sent, but the person RECEIVING the
> ptt message will hear it 15 seconds later. The immediate beep make the
> sender feel as if the PTT message is being immediately sent.
>
> So again - Put both phones next to each other and hit END to ensure the
> connection is closed. Push one PTT button and say hello. Count 15
> seconds then you'll hear it. After that it works pretty fast. But in
> my opinion, the 15 second delay is not a true PTT.
>
> If anyone is considering Verizon PTT, I suggest you try it in the
> store first. Be sure to hit end on both phones, then try the PTT with
> two adjacent phones.
>
| |
|
|
"Jimmy D" <james@anon.com> wrote in message
news:%g2ue.10635$tG.241@trnddc05...
quote:
> Ok, I have had the Verizon PTT for three days. The PTT works flawlessly.
> No garbled transmissions yet.
Hummmmmmmmm NO GARBLED TRANSMISSIONS "YET".. YET YET?? wait till they have
10 users on the PTT System at one time (smile)
| |
| infinitisound@yahoo.com 2005-06-23, 6:55 am |
| -- snip --
You need to be a little more informed before you make false statements
like that
-- snip --
I tried it April 25, 2005 and several times since then. I am very
informed. You need to read the previous posts in this group before YOU
accuse people.
http://groups-beta.google.com/group...014b65
a4
| |
| infinitisound@yahoo.com 2005-06-23, 6:55 am |
| -- snip --
Morale of the story- why spend longer to set up a one way connection
when
you can have a full duplex connection in less time? PTT on Verizon has
no
benefit.
-- snip --
You are absolutely right. The 15 second wait is totally not worth it
if you can just pickup and dial and have full duplex.
| |
| infinitisound@yahoo.com 2005-06-23, 6:55 am |
| -- snip --
15 Seconds? Are you kidding me? The longest delay I have had with the
tests
over the last four days was the initial connection at 7, that's right,
SEVEN
SECONDS then 1 second back and forth.
-- snip --
You are the only person that has reported Verizon PTT being faster than
the 10-16 second time. SS an I have tried it and had results in the
averaging in the 13-15 second range. I would like to see other people
test it out and report the results.
| |
|
| jwood wrote:
quote:
> "Jimmy D" <james@anon.com> wrote in message
> news:%g2ue.10635$tG.241@trnddc05...
>
>
>
> Hummmmmmmmm NO GARBLED TRANSMISSIONS "YET".. YET YET??
> wait till they have 10 users on the PTT System at one
> time (smile)
Isn't VZW's implementation VoIP? If so they have
quite a bit of data capacity.
-Quick
| |
| Michael Greene 2005-06-23, 9:55 am |
| No it doesn't.
Justin wrote:
quote:
> does Direct Connect work between a Verizon and a Nextel phone?
> "Michael Greene" <wgreene63@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:nFyte.111514$lQ3.2772@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>
>
> out.
>
>
> I
>
>
> PTT
>
>
> PTT
>
>
> believe
>
>
>
>
| |
| Michael Greene 2005-06-23, 9:55 am |
| Looks like you are in the wrong newsgroup then. Sincerely if you are
happy with Verizon, congratulations. Why post here?
Jimmy D wrote:
quote:
> You consider 2 Seconds "MUCH SLOWER" I'll take a two second initial connect
> that is clear than an INSTANT GARBLED Message. I just talked from PA to CA
> with the Verizon PTT. Guess what. Completely Clear with no delay. CAN YOU
> HEAR ME NOW?
>
>
> "Michael Greene" <wgreene63@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:nFyte.111514$lQ3.2772@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>
>
>
>
| |
| Michael Greene 2005-06-23, 4:55 pm |
| What are you trying to do recruit for Verizon? We are happy you like
your new service. Now, find a Verizon newsgroup to frequent. Can you
here me know?
Jimmie James wrote:
quote:
> You say "If you have a SIGNAL". EXACTLY my point. I will take the 7 second
> delay over a garbled no signal Nextel any day of the week. I've been a
> Nextel subscriber for 5 years. Just made the switch to Verizon PTT. Glad I
> did. Two full days on the system with no problems. Everyone is complaining
> about the Verizon delay, and put two phones sided by side, or call one
> Verizon store and key the PTT up and wait to hear the delay first hand. In
> reality who cares about the 7 Second initial delay. If you are going to
> have two phones sitting next to one another why bother having PTT of DC in
> the first place. You could just simply turn to the person and have a
> real-time conversation. I guess what I am trying to say is if the two
> phones are 1/2 mile apart or 2000 miles apart you won't notice the delay.
> How often are you going to talk to a person in the same room with a PTT or a
> DC phone. That is just plainly absurd. If you just want plain PTT clarity,
> then VERIZON should be your choice HANDS DOWN!!! If you want to take your
> chances and have that 1/2 second Nextel DC Garbled connection 45% of the
> time then Go For It. You have been warned from a former Nextel Subscriber!
> CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW!!! 2 Thumbs Up for Verizon!!!
>
> "Larry W4CSC" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns967BC69E1A11
Fw4csc@63.223.7.253...
>
>
>
>
| |
| Big Bob 2005-06-23, 4:55 pm |
| Larry W4CSC <noone@home.com> wrote in
news:Xns967DECDBD32E
9w4csc@63.223.7.253:
quote:
> Any business where you are standing in front of an important client
> waving large bags of cash at you and HE has to wait those 15 seconds,
> which appear as years as he scowls at you, thinking about taking his
> business elsewhere....that's where.
OK, but why not just pick up the phone and make a call?
I just don't understand how anyone thinks they are 'professional' while
standing in front of a client hollering into a phone and making everyone
else listen to your conversation as well.
Isn't the most professional thing to make a phone call? This way, you can
speak in a normal voice at normal volume and your client isn't forced to
hear everything on the other end of the conversation?
Most of the guys I deal with, I can't trust them or what they say enough to
talk to them on PTT.
Maybe it is just a moot point, but this whole technology seems useless to
me. We need to go back to the good old days of one-on-one attention, put
down the walkie-talkies and conduct business in the proper way.
BigBob
| |
|
| Michael Greene wrote:
quote:
> Looks like you are in the wrong newsgroup then. Sincerely
> if you are happy with Verizon, congratulations. Why post
> here?
Yea. It's one thing to report that you got it and like it
but I found the overexuberance (sp?) over here in a.c.v
a bit odd until I noticed that it's cross-posted to a.c.n.
Maybe there is a bit of an agenda.
-Quick
| |
| Zman53 2005-06-23, 4:55 pm |
| Larry,
Do a little research. Everyone of your arguments are based on ignorance.
"Larry W4CSC" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:Xns967DEB25FF9A
Aw4csc@63.223.7.253...
quote:
> "SS" < nospam1336479852@wop
dj.net> wrote in
> news:iPGdnSE0ff9NWyX
fRVn-pw@adelphia.com:
>
>
> Group announcements I can see if 3-way calling won't work, but I've never
> heard anyone I've been in earshot on Nextel make a group announcement....
>
> I suppose I see your point about the 4 minutes. But minutes are so cheap
> now, compared to what they used to be. Calling is easier. Pushing that
> button wastes everyone's time in the group having to listen to the channel
> chatter all day to see if the call is for them, very annoying if the group
> is large. To call "Ed", I push the button on the side of the V60 and say
> "Ed" and it rings his cellphone. "Ed's desk" rings his office phone.
> Noone else hears what I say to Ed and noone else had to be annoyed from
> their work to see if Ed's call was for them. They never knew I called Ed.
>
> Just seems we've taken a step back into the Motorola Taxi Radio days....
> Those guys in the warehouse have better things to do than listen to the
> calls on the Nextel Intercom.
>
> --
> Larry
>
> You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and your outlined in
> chalk.
>
| |
| Zman53 2005-06-23, 4:55 pm |
| Not sure what NEXTEL you are using. I've been using Nextel for 6 years and
have yet to get a busy signal or standby when using direct connect. As for
the User Not Available message, how is it Nextel's fault if the person being
called is already talking to someone else?
"Jimmy D" <james@anon.com> wrote in message
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quote:
> However you have to hope that your NEXTEL works when you need it. It's a
> very poor antiquated system . They are overloaded with Boost Mobile.
Funny
quote:
> thing happened today for example. I was sitting right next to a current
> Nextel user. I'm sure you are extremely aware of the annoying Nextel
noise
quote:
> that the phone makes when the system is screwed up and you can't get
> through. Well there I am just PTT away with my new Verizon VX4700. The
> call was going through just smoothly as it has the last four days that I
had
quote:
> it activated. No busy signals! No User Not Available messages. No stand
by
quote:
> while the Nextel user your trying to reach is located. I'm sure all you
> Nextel users all heard that before! My calls just go right on through the
> way a service that I am paying for should. I am very sure that there is
> going to be a big pile of JUNK NEXTEL'S somewhere soon. Just wait till
> Verizon starts the advertising campaign again. LOL!!!
>
>
> "SS" < nospam1336479852@wop
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> news:iPGdnSE0ff9NWyX
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