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Merger of Nextel and Sprint networks?
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| Diamond Dave 2006-03-02, 11:48 pm |
| I know the merger of Sprint and Nextel took place several months ago,
but have they actually merged networks yet?
For example, when AT&T Wireless and Cingular merged, they eventually
consolidated the AT&T Wireless and Cingular switching systems to act
as one network, not two independent networks. It took several months
(maybe more?) but now they're working as one network in unison. The
old Suncom network that Cingular bought at the same time has also been
merged into the Cingular network and isn't considered a separate
network anymore.
I know that its almost comparing apples and oranges (AT&T and Cingular
are GSM, while Nextel is iDEN and Sprint is CDMA), but was just
wondering how much consolidation has taken place, if any.
Thanks!
Dave
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| Cordata 2006-03-03, 2:48 am |
| On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 20:59:10 -0500, Diamond Dave
<dmine45.NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I know the merger of Sprint and Nextel took place several months ago,
>but have they actually merged networks yet?
>
>For example, when AT&T Wireless and Cingular merged, they eventually
>consolidated the AT&T Wireless and Cingular switching systems to act
>as one network, not two independent networks. It took several months
>(maybe more?) but now they're working as one network in unison. The
>old Suncom network that Cingular bought at the same time has also been
>merged into the Cingular network and isn't considered a separate
>network anymore.
>
>I know that its almost comparing apples and oranges (AT&T and Cingular
>are GSM, while Nextel is iDEN and Sprint is CDMA), but was just
>wondering how much consolidation has taken place, if any.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Dave
I've heard both ways on their conversion. Some people say it'll
happen sometime in the next 4-5 years, other people say Nextel is a
write off and they've given up on the iDEN network.
In my area, the Michigan market, they've pretty much written off the
Nextel part of their network. I'm to the point of referring to their
network as YANDZ. Yet Another Nextel Dead Zone...
For example, I've contacted them multiple times over the past 2 years
about rarely being able to get a signal in the parking lot of a local
mall that is located right next to a major freeway. First few calls
to support were "we'll look into it", after that it was "we're not
showing any problems in that area", and most recently they offered to
sell me a new phone. Like I want a new phone that still won't see the
non-existant signal... :)
My favorite part of all this was when they wanted me to call them from
the parking lot so they could look check some signal strength or
something relating to the signal. I had to explain to a supervisor
that you can't make a call when there's no signal to begin with.
If I could find someone in my area with something resembling DC, I'd
dump Nextel in a second. Unfortunately, I haven't seen anything in
the same speed as Nextel's DC...
Cordata
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| You could not be more wrong.
Sprint has made a commitment to the iDen network until at least 2008. It's
published, look it up.
There is currently a dual mode phone in development and testing. Rumor has
it that it might be available in Q4 this year that will use CDMA for cell
and data, iDen for Direct Connect.
The issues in Michigan are largely due to the volume of users and the rapid
development of formerly rural areas. As buildings go up, there are more
objects blocking the signal. Unfortunately, resolving this is not as easy
as turning up the power on a tower or raising the antenna on the tower.
These things take time, money, and local, state and federal approvals.
If you are experiencing network issues, call Nextel Care and let them know
where. If that is not working, post the location and cross roads and I can
get this info to the Network people to look into.
As for integrating the two systems, it's like trying to run a gasoline
powered engine on diesel fuel. Changes are going to have to be made on both
sides to get it to work.
"Cordata" <available@request.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 20:59:10 -0500, Diamond Dave
> <dmine45.NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> I've heard both ways on their conversion. Some people say it'll
> happen sometime in the next 4-5 years, other people say Nextel is a
> write off and they've given up on the iDEN network.
>
> In my area, the Michigan market, they've pretty much written off the
> Nextel part of their network. I'm to the point of referring to their
> network as YANDZ. Yet Another Nextel Dead Zone...
>
> For example, I've contacted them multiple times over the past 2 years
> about rarely being able to get a signal in the parking lot of a local
> mall that is located right next to a major freeway. First few calls
> to support were "we'll look into it", after that it was "we're not
> showing any problems in that area", and most recently they offered to
> sell me a new phone. Like I want a new phone that still won't see the
> non-existant signal... :)
>
> My favorite part of all this was when they wanted me to call them from
> the parking lot so they could look check some signal strength or
> something relating to the signal. I had to explain to a supervisor
> that you can't make a call when there's no signal to begin with.
>
> If I could find someone in my area with something resembling DC, I'd
> dump Nextel in a second. Unfortunately, I haven't seen anything in
> the same speed as Nextel's DC...
>
> Cordata
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| Cordata 2006-03-03, 5:48 pm |
| On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:38:10 GMT, "Zman" <zman@nowhere.com> wrote:
>You could not be more wrong.
>
>Sprint has made a commitment to the iDen network until at least 2008. It's
>published, look it up.
>
>There is currently a dual mode phone in development and testing. Rumor has
>it that it might be available in Q4 this year that will use CDMA for cell
>and data, iDen for Direct Connect.
>
>The issues in Michigan are largely due to the volume of users and the rapid
>development of formerly rural areas. As buildings go up, there are more
>objects blocking the signal. Unfortunately, resolving this is not as easy
>as turning up the power on a tower or raising the antenna on the tower.
>These things take time, money, and local, state and federal approvals.
>
>If you are experiencing network issues, call Nextel Care and let them know
>where. If that is not working, post the location and cross roads and I can
>get this info to the Network people to look into.
>
>
>As for integrating the two systems, it's like trying to run a gasoline
>powered engine on diesel fuel. Changes are going to have to be made on both
>sides to get it to work.
Based on your previous posts to the group, I'm not about to argue with
you... You definitely seem to know the in's and out's of Nextel. :)
If a dual mode phone ever pops it head into the market, I'd buy one in
a heartbeat. As for the area of Michigan I'm talking about, it's in
Livonia which has been at least 95% built up for a while now. The
only thing being built in this city now is random houses in every
little sliver of land they can find...
I'll give a call over to Nextel Care later today, after I get a chance
to drive past that area again. I want to make sure that it's still a
problem "today" before I put in another report. It was a dead zone
this past weekend, but I want to be sure before I make work for
someone at the network center. Especially since it's hard to check
the cause of a problem that may not be happening right now...
Cordata
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| Thomas 2006-03-03, 5:48 pm |
| A couple sites down on the Gulf coast are being brought back up with a
combination of both CDMA and iden in one shelter. Zman is correct about the
system configuration that is currently being looked at. As far as the dual
band phone......it is out and currently being tested by Sprint/Nextel
product development. It is made by Motorola. No I have not played with it, I
can tell you that it is a software based phone. So I can only imagine the
fun people will have with this once it is figured out the software. Motorola
does have that security of product being maintained until 2008. But the Iden
is a good system, yes I know playing devil's advocate that the data is only
19200. But you also have to consider that is not the result of the iDEN
system, that is a T-1 issue. Actually all of the problems of the iDEN
network falls back on T-1 issues and that is it. I look for around next year
this time for Motorola to jump up and have a resolution to the T-1 bandwidth
issues. You have to remember Sprint/Nextel is the cash cow for Motorola.They
have yet to really tap the true potential of the iDEN network. I imagine
that Motorola may very well already have the resolution to the T-1 issues,
but are not saying. You have to realize Nextel paid Motorola Millions of
dollars to continue to develop the iDEN network every year. For those in the
inside that knows what I mean and for those who don't...well a Base radio is
what is used so you can talk...started out as a Single BR, then came the
Quad and now Motorola has came out with the 6pack. So moral of the story, I
would not write the iDEN network off just yet, you have to remember iDEN is
the only true walkie talkie on the market today. If I were a betting man the
future will be both networks are keep up merged into 1. The iDEN running
dispatch and voice and data running CDMA.
"Cordata" <available@request.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:38:10 GMT, "Zman" <zman@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Based on your previous posts to the group, I'm not about to argue with
> you... You definitely seem to know the in's and out's of Nextel. :)
>
> If a dual mode phone ever pops it head into the market, I'd buy one in
> a heartbeat. As for the area of Michigan I'm talking about, it's in
> Livonia which has been at least 95% built up for a while now. The
> only thing being built in this city now is random houses in every
> little sliver of land they can find...
>
> I'll give a call over to Nextel Care later today, after I get a chance
> to drive past that area again. I want to make sure that it's still a
> problem "today" before I put in another report. It was a dead zone
> this past weekend, but I want to be sure before I make work for
> someone at the network center. Especially since it's hard to check
> the cause of a problem that may not be happening right now...
>
> Cordata
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| Livonia is very close to an engineering location so it would not be
difficult to send someone out there to take readings.
"Cordata" <available@request.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:38:10 GMT, "Zman" <zman@nowhere.com> wrote:
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> Based on your previous posts to the group, I'm not about to argue with
> you... You definitely seem to know the in's and out's of Nextel. :)
>
> If a dual mode phone ever pops it head into the market, I'd buy one in
> a heartbeat. As for the area of Michigan I'm talking about, it's in
> Livonia which has been at least 95% built up for a while now. The
> only thing being built in this city now is random houses in every
> little sliver of land they can find...
>
> I'll give a call over to Nextel Care later today, after I get a chance
> to drive past that area again. I want to make sure that it's still a
> problem "today" before I put in another report. It was a dead zone
> this past weekend, but I want to be sure before I make work for
> someone at the network center. Especially since it's hard to check
> the cause of a problem that may not be happening right now...
>
> Cordata
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| Give them a call anyways.
"Zman" <zman@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> Livonia is very close to an engineering location so it would not be
> difficult to send someone out there to take readings.
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> "Cordata" <available@request.com> wrote in message
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| Dr Nick 2006-03-03, 11:48 pm |
| I've also read about a "dual mode" phone being made. they figure instead of
merging the networks (which is very difficult because of teh iDEN vs CDMA)
they can make a phone that does both, and sort of slowly phase out iDEN that
way. then when the number of people using old nextel phones that work solely
on the iden network is low, they can switching everyone over to CDMA. thats
just what Iv'e heard
-Nick
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| 1badss 2006-03-04, 11:48 pm |
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Dr Nick Wrote:
> I've also read about a "dual mode" phone being made. they figure instead
> of
> merging the networks (which is very difficult because of teh iDEN vs
> CDMA)
> they can make a phone that does both, and sort of slowly phase out iDEN
> that
> way. then when the number of people using old nextel phones that work
> solely
> on the iden network is low, they can switching everyone over to CDMA.
> thats
> just what Iv'e heard
>
> -Nick
Sprint/Nextel does not want to rely on the CDMA network either. They
are working on a completely different, higher spectrum network and
would phase both older systems, IDEN and CDMA, out after
implementation. afterall, CDMA is not the answer to the future of
wireless technology.
--
1badss
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