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Sprint Class Action Suit
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| Strange that no one has commented on the Class Action Suit against
Sprintpcs.
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| Thomas T. Veldhouse 2006-10-11, 10:33 am |
| jim-g <nowhere@ether.net> wrote:
> Strange that no one has commented on the Class Action Suit against
> Sprintpcs.
And ... ?
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| jim-g <nowhere@ether.net> wrote:
> Strange that no one has commented on the Class Action Suit against=20
> Sprintpcs.
Strange? we are actually waiting for your word of wisdom <bg>
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| Spring 2006-10-11, 12:33 pm |
| When have you been kicked outof job?
"jim-g" <nowhere@ether.net> wrote in message
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> Strange that no one has commented on the Class Action Suit against
> Sprintpcs.
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| Jim Goodrich 2006-10-11, 10:33 pm |
| Sure can tell from the responses what people show themselves as either not
living in CA or haven't used Sprintpcs since 2000. Now we 'know' who's
comments to ignore.
"Spring" <Spring@10G.com> wrote in message
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When have you been kicked outof job?
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| Thomas T. Veldhouse 2006-10-12, 10:33 am |
| Jim Goodrich <jimg35@email.com> wrote:
> Sure can tell from the responses what people show themselves as either not
> living in CA or haven't used Sprintpcs since 2000. Now we 'know' who's
> comments to ignore.
>
Not living in California is a smart decision, but other than that, why should
anybody know of a class action lawsuit if it does not affect them? Enlighten
us ... post a link.
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Thomas T. Veldhouse
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| Mij Adyaw 2006-10-12, 10:33 am |
| Living in California is the best decision. Most folks that say it is not a
smart decision simply can't afford to live there.
"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Jim Goodrich <jimg35@email.com> wrote:
>
> Not living in California is a smart decision, but other than that, why
> should
> anybody know of a class action lawsuit if it does not affect them?
> Enlighten
> us ... post a link.
>
>
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> Thomas T. Veldhouse
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| Mij Adyaw 2006-10-12, 10:33 am |
| What is the class action suit about? Why would anyone want to sue Sprint?
"jim-g" <nowhere@ether.net> wrote in message
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> Strange that no one has commented on the Class Action Suit against
> Sprintpcs.
> --
> make any Reply to Newsgroup as return address is not valid.
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| Scooterflex 2006-10-12, 12:33 pm |
| Being a native NYer I find it difficult to see any place more expensive than
NYC to live. I hated it. Now I live in Fort Worth, Texas and when people
here find out I lived there they ask why I moved. I say "you can't get more
opposite of NY than Texas" I can't ever seeing me living in a big city ever
again and the cost of living is just a small part of it. It's also a matter
of quality of life and having the right to be happy. Not everyone is happy
living in a big city.
"Mij Adyaw" <mij@TheBitBucket.com> wrote in message
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> Living in California is the best decision. Most folks that say it is not a
> smart decision simply can't afford to live there.
>
> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:eZqXg.65535$f62.61899@fe07.news.easynews.com...
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| Thomas T. Veldhouse 2006-10-12, 12:33 pm |
| Mij Adyaw <mij@thebitbucket.com> wrote:
> Living in California is the best decision. Most folks that say it is not a
> smart decision simply can't afford to live there.
>
I definitely can not. I earn enough money and almost certainly could move
there and improve my income accordingly, but I refuse to waste such a
significant portion of my income on taxes and overpriced real estate, both of
which California bosts an abundance.
That is just my take. My original comment, however, was not meant to be taken
so seriously or literally.
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| "Mij Adyaw" <mij@TheBitBucket.com> wrote in
news:JysXg.32423$tO5.23802@fed1read10:
> Living in California is the best decision. Most folks that say it is
> not a smart decision simply can't afford to live there.
>
> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:eZqXg.65535$f62.61899@fe07.news.easynews.com...
>
I ive in California I suspect living in hell will be a releif
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| Jim Goodrich 2006-10-12, 3:33 pm |
| Here you are guys Any questions? Read on, or visit [link]
www. sprintlockinglawsuit
.com
Since my friends in Chicago are getting snow and our temps are in the 70's,
I'll take CA Thank you.
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| "Jim Goodrich" <jimg35@email.com> wrote in
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> Here you are guys Any questions? Read on, or visit [link]
> www. sprintlockinglawsuit
.com
>
> Since my friends in Chicago are getting snow and our temps are in the
> 70's, I'll take CA Thank you.
Yes that is the problem a bunch of cowards living out here. if a place is
cold that somehow makes it an awful place. It is OK to breath the poision
air tho. Remember cold is bad and evil slegh rides fun in the snow. Blazing
fireplaces during a blizzard all bad. Smog , cancer,traffick, very rude
people, all good
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| Mij Adyaw 2006-10-13, 4:33 am |
| Then you must be living in a desert area of California rather than a beach
area.
> I ive in California I suspect living in hell will be a releif
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| John Richards 2006-10-13, 4:33 am |
| "skip" <skip[@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Xns985A91E27D26
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> "Jim Goodrich" <jimg35@email.com> wrote in
> news:ThxXg.2839$xI4.662@fed1read11:
>
> Yes that is the problem a bunch of cowards living out here. if a place is
> cold that somehow makes it an awful place. It is OK to breath the poision
> air tho. Remember cold is bad and evil slegh rides fun in the snow. Blazing
> fireplaces during a blizzard all bad. Smog , cancer,traffick, very rude
> people, all good
Cold has its bad aspects. I used to live in the Chicago area and know all about
it. My dad was killed in a traffic accident caused by a snow-slicked road.
Summers were miserable too with high humidity and lots of mosquitoes.
I've lived in the San Francisco Bay area for some 35 years now, and have
no desire to live anywhere else. There's no smog here.
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John Richards
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| "Mij Adyaw" <mij@TheBitBucket.com> wrote in
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> Then you must be living in a desert area of California rather than a
> beach area.
>
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Manhattan beach
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| Mij Adyaw 2006-10-13, 10:33 am |
| Maybe you should seek professional counseling :-)
"skip" <skip[@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> "Mij Adyaw" <mij@TheBitBucket.com> wrote in
> news:oUDXg.32464$tO5.15296@fed1read10:
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> Manhattan beach
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| "Mij Adyaw" <mij@TheBitBucket.com> wrote in news:wINXg.32482$tO5.30700
@fed1read10:
> Maybe you should seek professional counseling :-)
>
typical ca thinking. If you don't like it here then your crazy. My time
here will be up in a year or so and I will move back to Cape Cod and lead a
nice civilized life
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| jim-g answered:
> Strange that no one has commented on the Class Action Suit against
> Sprintpcs.
Thats because it's a bunch of Losers.
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| Thomas T. Veldhouse 2006-10-16, 3:33 pm |
| skip <skip[@nospam.com> wrote:
> "Mij Adyaw" <mij@TheBitBucket.com> wrote in news:wINXg.32482$tO5.30700
> @fed1read10:
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> typical ca thinking. If you don't like it here then your crazy. My time
> here will be up in a year or so and I will move back to Cape Cod and lead a
> nice civilized life
I found people in California, in general, to only care about themselves, other
people be damned. It was especially prominent in the South Bay area near San
Francisco. Lots of BMWs on every corner in Mountain View and each and every
one of them trying to blow you off the road to get somewhere they didn't even
need to be.
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| Mij Adyaw 2006-10-17, 4:33 am |
| Yea, like Cape Cod is that much different from California. There is nothing
wrong with BMWs on every corner and if they blow you off the road, then your
car is too slow or you are holding-up traffic and driving like an old fogie
on the way to the senior center. :-)
"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> skip <skip[@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> I found people in California, in general, to only care about themselves,
> other
> people be damned. It was especially prominent in the South Bay area near
> San
> Francisco. Lots of BMWs on every corner in Mountain View and each and
> every
> one of them trying to blow you off the road to get somewhere they didn't
> even
> need to be.
>
> --
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| "Mij Adyaw" <mij@TheBitBucket.com> wrote in
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> Yea, like Cape Cod is that much different from California. There is
> nothing wrong with BMWs on every corner and if they blow you off the
> road, then your car is too slow or you are holding-up traffic and
> driving like an old fogie on the way to the senior center. :-)
>
That attitude does not exist on cape Cod. get sometravel time in before you
judge. Yes your right In cALIFORNINA BMWs are on every corner just blowing
people off of the road. And in califoria that is how it is. On the cape we
do not think of ourselves as much and do not see the need to blow people
off of the road as they are people just like us
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| Mij Adyaw 2006-10-17, 4:33 am |
| But then, who do you blow off the road? You have to have someone to blow off
the road! Here is Southern California when you get blown off the road there
are usually bullet holes in your car. :-)
"skip" <skip[@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> "Mij Adyaw" <mij@TheBitBucket.com> wrote in
> news:inTYg.32602$tO5.28789@fed1read10:
>
> That attitude does not exist on cape Cod. get sometravel time in before
> you
> judge. Yes your right In cALIFORNINA BMWs are on every corner just blowing
> people off of the road. And in califoria that is how it is. On the cape we
> do not think of ourselves as much and do not see the need to blow people
> off of the road as they are people just like us
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| Steven J. Sobol 2006-10-17, 4:33 am |
| In article <dSRYg.92327$aE2.39261@fe04.news.easynews.com>, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> I found people in California, in general, to only care about themselves, other
> people be damned. It was especially prominent in the South Bay area near San
> Francisco. Lots of BMWs on every corner in Mountain View and each and every
> one of them trying to blow you off the road to get somewhere they didn't even
> need to be.
Many drivers in California, especially here in SoCal, are obnoxious like that.
Regardless, I find your statement to be an obnoxious, overly-broad, and
patently inaccurate generalization. "Crappy driver" doesn't necessarily mean
"selfish in all other aspects of life."
And I've only lived here for a few years. I'm sure people who have lived
here longer would be even more offended.
--
Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows
Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
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| "Steven J. Sobol" wrote:
>
> In article <dSRYg.92327$aE2.39261@fe04.news.easynews.com>, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
>
>
> Many drivers in California, especially here in SoCal, are obnoxious like that.
> Regardless, I find your statement to be an obnoxious, overly-broad, and
> patently inaccurate generalization. "Crappy driver" doesn't necessarily mean
> "selfish in all other aspects of life."
>
> And I've only lived here for a few years. I'm sure people who have lived
> here longer would be even more offended.
Rather than offensive, I find the ignorant to be entertaining.
Notan
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| Steven J. Sobol 2006-10-17, 4:33 am |
| In article < Xns985EA225C4029sky@
207.115.17.102>, skip wrote:
> That attitude does not exist on cape Cod. get sometravel time in before you
> judge. Yes your right In cALIFORNINA BMWs are on every corner just blowing
> people off of the road. And in califoria that is how it is. On the cape we
> do not think of ourselves as much and do not see the need to blow people
> off of the road as they are people just like us
Skip is right.
The homocidal maniacs are in Boston, not Cape Cod.
I've visited both places... have friends in Boston, and have driven the
Cape from Hyannis to Provincetown. Boston drivers are much closer in
personality and driving habits to Los Angeles drivers, than Cape Cod drivers
will probably ever be.
--
Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows
Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
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| Inner Sanctum 2006-10-17, 4:33 am |
| On 16 Oct 2006, "Steven J. Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> posted some
news:slrnej8jeq.rcs.sjsobol@amethyst.justthe.net:
> In article <dSRYg.92327$aE2.39261@fe04.news.easynews.com>, Thomas T.
> Veldhouse wrote:
>
>
> Many drivers in California, especially here in SoCal, are obnoxious
> like that. Regardless, I find your statement to be an obnoxious,
> overly-broad, and patently inaccurate generalization. "Crappy driver"
> doesn't necessarily mean "selfish in all other aspects of life."
>
> And I've only lived here for a few years. I'm sure people who have
> lived here longer would be even more offended.
I find that comment amusing since many of the working class, hence drivers
in California, are imports from across the US and all over the globe...
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| Thomas T. Veldhouse 2006-10-17, 12:33 pm |
| Mij Adyaw <mij@thebitbucket.com> wrote:
> Yea, like Cape Cod is that much different from California. There is nothing
> wrong with BMWs on every corner and if they blow you off the road, then your
> car is too slow or you are holding-up traffic and driving like an old fogie
> on the way to the senior center. :-)
Considering I live near Minneapolis, I will take you comment as a note to
myself not to plan on retiring in Cape Code or moving their for work.
As far as the rest ... general courtesy for your fellow human being is
appropriate in all parts of the USA.
--
Thomas T. Veldhouse
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| Thomas T. Veldhouse 2006-10-17, 12:33 pm |
| Steven J. Sobol <sjsobol@justthe.net> wrote:
> In article <dSRYg.92327$aE2.39261@fe04.news.easynews.com>, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
>
>
> Many drivers in California, especially here in SoCal, are obnoxious like that.
> Regardless, I find your statement to be an obnoxious, overly-broad, and
> patently inaccurate generalization. "Crappy driver" doesn't necessarily mean
> "selfish in all other aspects of life."
>
My comments on selfish aren't derived from the lack of courteous driving
habits in California. It derives from my experience with people there.
Nobody smiles when you see them on the street. The only smiles you get are
from wait staff hoping for a tip. When I was there, the people just seemed
like they all lived in their own little anonymous bubble with no concern about
the people around them. Northern California is beautiful; one of the most
beautiful places to live in the country, but I am not so sure I like the life
style.
> And I've only lived here for a few years. I'm sure people who have lived
> here longer would be even more offended.
I am speaking strictly from my perception of the people that I met while
working out there, which was for nearly two months in 2003. You know, the
only native that I ran into that showed any interest in the people around him
was a guy working at the Enterprise Rent-A-Car depot in SFO; the poor guy was
a Dot.Com reject and seemed much happier doing what he is doing now rather
than what he did previously.
Now, Texas ... that is a state with people full of personality and sociable
conscience.
--
Thomas T. Veldhouse
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| Thomas T. Veldhouse 2006-10-17, 12:33 pm |
| Inner Sanctum <localhost@loopback.com> wrote:
>
> I find that comment amusing since many of the working class, hence drivers
> in California, are imports from across the US and all over the globe...
>
It speaks more about the people who chose to reside there than it does about
the land ... don't you think?
--
Thomas T. Veldhouse
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| John Richards 2006-10-17, 3:33 pm |
| "Notan" <notan@ddress.thatcanbespammed> wrote in message news:45344EDD.BF870821@ddress.thatcanbespammed...
> "Steven J. Sobol" wrote:
>
> Rather than offensive, I find the ignorant to be entertaining.
Right. And if the bad press keeps people from moving here, so much
the better for those of us already here.
John Richards (basking in the Napa Valley sunshine)
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| Steven J. Sobol 2006-10-17, 3:33 pm |
| In article < Xns985EEC9C1C937AZNU
SIS@204.153.244.170>, Inner Sanctum wrote:
>
> I find that comment amusing since many of the working class, hence drivers
> in California, are imports from across the US and all over the globe...
You're right, of course. I myself am one of those imports. :) I don't see
how that makes any difference with regards to what I said, though.
--
Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows
Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
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| Steven J. Sobol 2006-10-17, 3:33 pm |
| In article <Pc8Zg.71108$0s1.65196@fe03.news.easynews.com>, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> My comments on selfish aren't derived from the lack of courteous driving
> habits in California.
That's fine. I just was extrapolating because that's where it sounded like
you got your data. And I'm sorry you have had bad experiences here. SoCal,
in particular, isn't a bad place to live.
--
Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows
Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
| |
|
| Mij Adyaw wrote:
> Yea, like Cape Cod is that much different from California. There is nothing
> wrong with BMWs on every corner and if they blow you off the road, then your
> car is too slow or you are holding-up traffic and driving like an old fogie
> on the way to the senior center. :-)
>
Dont forget with an earthquake you can lose everything you own is seconds
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| ojo-malformed 2006-10-17, 10:33 pm |
| On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:37:37 +0000, Steven J. Sobol wrote:
> In article <Pc8Zg.71108$0s1.65196@fe03.news.easynews.com>, Thomas T.
> Veldhouse wrote:
>
>
> That's fine. I just was extrapolating because that's where it sounded like
> you got your data. And I'm sorry you have had bad experiences here. SoCal,
> in particular, isn't a bad place to live.
I'm just a little ol' grit-eating southern driver (NC). I got along just
fine with the drivers in Los Angeles. It was a total catharsis. I came
back home refreshed and able to live another year! lol. the sprint phone
worked great out there, too.
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| William H. Bowen 2006-10-17, 10:33 pm |
| "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Steven J. Sobol <sjsobol@justthe.net> wrote:
>
>My comments on selfish aren't derived from the lack of courteous driving
>habits in California. It derives from my experience with people there.
>Nobody smiles when you see them on the street. The only smiles you get are
>from wait staff hoping for a tip. When I was there, the people just seemed
>like they all lived in their own little anonymous bubble with no concern about
>the people around them. Northern California is beautiful; one of the most
>beautiful places to live in the country, but I am not so sure I like the life
>style.
Thomas,
I have to agree with you about the attitude of the folks our here..
I'm a Detroit native but I've lved in CA for nearly 20 years (8 in
Orange County, 10 in the Bay Area and 2 our here in the Sacramento
Area).
>
I'm not offended - sometime the truth is a bit painful, but it is
still the truth.
[color=darkred]
>
>I am speaking strictly from my perception of the people that I met while
>working out there, which was for nearly two months in 2003. You know, the
>only native that I ran into that showed any interest in the people around him
>was a guy working at the Enterprise Rent-A-Car depot in SFO; the poor guy was
>a Dot.Com reject and seemed much happier doing what he is doing now rather
>than what he did previously.
>
>Now, Texas ... that is a state with people full of personality and sociable
>conscience.
I lived in Houston for 5 years before moving to CA - there are many
times I wonder why I left (and I am seriously looking at moving back
there).
Regards,
Bill Bowen
Sacramento, CA
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| Notan 2006-10-17, 10:33 pm |
| "William H. Bowen" wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> I lived in Houston for 5 years before moving to CA - there are many
> times I wonder why I left (and I am seriously looking at moving back
> there).
THE HUMIDITY!!!
Notan
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| John Richards 2006-10-17, 10:33 pm |
| "Sky" <Sky@nospam.com> wrote in message news:x1bZg.17335$6S3.2386@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
> Dont forget with an earthquake you can lose everything you own is seconds
Which is why I have earthquake insurance.
Note that annual hurricane, flood and tornado losses run much higher than
earthquake losses, to say nothing of loss from lightning and snow and ice storms.
--
John Richards
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| John Richards 2006-10-17, 10:33 pm |
| "Notan" <notan@ddress.thatcanbespammed> wrote in message news:45356A3E.89EBED02@ddress.thatcanbespammed...
> "William H. Bowen" wrote:
>
> THE HUMIDITY!!!
Yep, the scourge of much of the South, east coast, and Midwest.
--
John Richards
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| Steven J. Sobol 2006-10-17, 10:33 pm |
| In article < nsmaj2d7skrlgipucdis
0dm0561gdur9q2@4ax.com>, William H Bowen wrote:
> I'm not offended - sometime the truth is a bit painful, but it is
> still the truth.
You're both posting about Norcal. I'm posting about Socal. Maybe there is
a significant difference. Or maybe there isn't and I just am not noticing
that people down here are rude.
--
Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows
Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
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| William H. Bowen 2006-10-18, 4:33 am |
| Notan <notan@ddress.thatcanbespammed> wrote:
>"William H. Bowen" wrote:
>
>THE HUMIDITY!!!
>
>Notan
Yeh, you've got a point there. Outside in the summer there is like
living inside a sauna bath.
Bill
P.S. Gets hotter than the far corner of Hell here (Sacramento) in the
summer, but humidity is around 10%.
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| William H. Bowen 2006-10-18, 4:33 am |
| "Steven J. Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:
>In article < nsmaj2d7skrlgipucdis
0dm0561gdur9q2@4ax.com>, William H Bowen wrote:
>
>
>You're both posting about Norcal. I'm posting about Socal. Maybe there is
>a significant difference. Or maybe there isn't and I just am not noticing
>that people down here are rude.
Steve,
You live out in the boonies - it is different in the heavily
populated area. When I lived in Orange County (Garden Grove and
Huntington Beach) I sometimes felt that driving was like flying with
kamakazi pilots.
Northern CA is the same - out in Yolo or Placer County things are a
lot less crazy than they are in Sacramento.
Bill
| |
|
| "William H. Bowen" wrote:
>
> Notan <notan@ddress.thatcanbespammed> wrote:
>
>
> Yeh, you've got a point there. Outside in the summer there is like
> living inside a sauna bath.
>
> Bill
>
> P.S. Gets hotter than the far corner of Hell here (Sacramento) in the
> summer, but humidity is around 10%.
Mrs. Notan's from Houston (actually Spring).
During one visit, I remember taking a shower and NEVER drying off.
(Not a towel problem, a HUMIDITY problem! <g> )
Notan
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| Steven J. Sobol 2006-10-18, 4:33 am |
| In article < a1bbj21s8uucv8br7rhp
p0irbinjs4grf3@4ax.com>, William H Bowen wrote:
> You live out in the boonies - it is different in the heavily
> populated area. When I lived in Orange County (Garden Grove and
> Huntington Beach) I sometimes felt that driving was like flying with
> kamakazi pilots.
> Northern CA is the same - out in Yolo or Placer County things are a
> lot less crazy than they are in Sacramento.
Drivers in San Bernardino County, including down the hill as well as
here in the High Desert, are nutjobs too. There are plenty of homocidal
maniacs driving in this area. 1/2 :-)
I was referring to Thomas's experiences with people being rude in general,
not specifically while driving.
--
Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows
Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
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| "John Richards" <jr70@blackhole.invalid> wrote in
news:oQfZg.762$T_1.644@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com:
> "Sky" <Sky@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:x1bZg.17335$6S3.2386@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
>
> Which is why I have earthquake insurance.
> Note that annual hurricane, flood and tornado losses run much higher
> than earthquake losses, to say nothing of loss from lightning and snow
> and ice storms.
>
Funny thing I have been thru several blizzards and still have my home just
a lot of cleaning. We get a hurricane once every 10 years or so and still
no lossed as we have time to prepare. I have never seen a tornsado.
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| Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> and overpriced real estate, both of which California bosts an abundance.
It's coming down in price by the week. In the city where I live, you can
now buy a two bedroom condo for under $700,000. A year ago, these condos
would have sold for $900,000.
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| Steven J. Sobol 2006-10-18, 3:33 pm |
| In article < 4536414f$0$88661$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS wrote:
> Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
>
>
> It's coming down in price by the week. In the city where I live, you can
> now buy a two bedroom condo for under $700,000. A year ago, these condos
> would have sold for $900,000.
Heh. In this part of California, you have to actually make an effort to
find anything over $500K or $600K.
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Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows
Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
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| "Steven J. Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in
news:slrnejcu3r.f2i.sjsobol@amethyst.justthe.net:
> In article < 4536414f$0$88661$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS wrote:
>
> Heh. In this part of California, you have to actually make an effort
> to find anything over $500K or $600K.
>
Here on the west side. 500k will buy you a nice garage. Nothing under 900k.
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| Thomas T. Veldhouse 2006-10-19, 10:33 am |
| SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
>
>
> It's coming down in price by the week. In the city where I live, you can
> now buy a two bedroom condo for under $700,000. A year ago, these condos
> would have sold for $900,000.
I believe I heard recently that San Diego and nearby areas have only show a
15% max loss in value since the peak last winter. Not too bad for a bubble
burst. That is of course and average. I have seen the prices on homes out
there, and compared to most other locations in the US (New York and surrounds
is a notable exception), the prices in San Diego and San Francisco are simply
outrageous. Speculators and builders drove the price up and crowding out
there did the rest.
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| Thomas T. Veldhouse 2006-10-19, 10:33 am |
| John Richards <jr70@blackhole.invalid> wrote:
> "Sky" <Sky@nospam.com> wrote in message news:x1bZg.17335$6S3.2386@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
>
> Which is why I have earthquake insurance.
> Note that annual hurricane, flood and tornado losses run much higher than
> earthquake losses, to say nothing of loss from lightning and snow and ice storms.
>
Tell me about it ... we had a near miss from a Tornado that took nearly a year
to get repaired (contractors are simply too busy in the Midwest these days).
Still, if another big quake hits San Fran or LA, Tornado dollars spent will
look like pocket change.
--
Thomas T. Veldhouse
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| Thomas T. Veldhouse 2006-10-19, 10:33 am |
| John Richards <jr70@blackhole.invalid> wrote:
>
> Right. And if the bad press keeps people from moving here, so much
> the better for those of us already here.
>
> John Richards (basking in the Napa Valley sunshine)
>
Yes, I would love to live in Napa Valley ... at least, for the weather and the
wine.
--
Thomas T. Veldhouse
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| Thomas T. Veldhouse 2006-10-19, 10:33 am |
| Steven J. Sobol <sjsobol@justthe.net> wrote:
> In article <Pc8Zg.71108$0s1.65196@fe03.news.easynews.com>, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
>
>
> That's fine. I just was extrapolating because that's where it sounded like
> you got your data. And I'm sorry you have had bad experiences here. SoCal,
> in particular, isn't a bad place to live.
>
I had a good experience there ... it just wasn't with the people in general
(of course, there are a few good apples ;-)
--
Thomas T. Veldhouse
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| Thomas T. Veldhouse 2006-10-19, 10:33 am |
| Notan <notan@ddress.thatcanbespammed> wrote:
>
> THE HUMIDITY!!!
>
I think I would accept the humidity in the summer over the artic cold in a
Minnesota winter ;-) Actually, I don't mind the cold winter ... I mind how
LONG the winter is ... no leaves from mid-October to mid-April, just lots of
brown.
--
Thomas T. Veldhouse
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| Thomas T. Veldhouse 2006-10-19, 10:33 am |
| Steven J. Sobol <sjsobol@justthe.net> wrote:
>
> I was referring to Thomas's experiences with people being rude in general,
> not specifically while driving.
>
Rude is an overstatement, as I really mean they seem very selfish ... or all
about "self".
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Thomas T. Veldhouse
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| Steven J. Sobol 2006-10-19, 10:33 pm |
| In article <kFLZg.94769$0s1.50215@fe03.news.easynews.com>, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> I believe I heard recently that San Diego and nearby areas have only show a
> 15% max loss in value since the peak last winter.
I think the current Los Angeles bubble-burst is much bigger. Areas of SoCal
that were cheaper to begin with (yes, San Diego; also my neck of the woods)
seem to be leveling off more than dropping.
**SJS, who just closed on his beautiful new house on Tuesday!
> there, and compared to most other locations in the US (New York and surrounds
> is a notable exception), the prices in San Diego and San Francisco are simply
> outrageous.
Hell, yeah.
> Speculators and builders drove the price up and crowding out
> there did the rest.
Absolutely.
--
Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows
Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
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| jim-g 2006-10-19, 10:33 pm |
| Have a high regard for the people who to Disneyland and think they know
all about California just as the same with Chicago-Illinois and NYC- NY
state.
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| Thomas T. Veldhouse 2006-10-20, 7:33 am |
| jim-g <nowhere@ether.net> wrote:
> Have a high regard for the people who to Disneyland and think they know
> all about California just as the same with Chicago-Illinois and NYC- NY
> state.
To whom are you referring? I personally spent almost two months working out
there [SF Bay and Sacramento] from February to April 2003.
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Thomas T. Veldhouse
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| William H. Bowen 2006-10-21, 4:33 am |
| "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote:
>jim-g <nowhere@ether.net> wrote:
>
>To whom are you referring? I personally spent almost two months working out
>there [SF Bay and Sacramento] from February to April 2003.
Thomas,
I think he is just laying out a common theme that is used
world-wide: the version I've heard the most is that just because
you've visited Paris doesn't necessarily mean you know anything about
the rest of France. Same goes for those that spend a week at
Disneyland and think they know all there is to know about California.
California is a very diverse place - everything from the queer bars
in SF to deserts to snow up over your eyeballs to trees so tall you
have to lay on the ground to be able to see the top of them.
In the 20 years I've lived out here it has become very obvious to me
that there is NO SUCH THING as the "typical Californian" (and I had a
lot of preconceived notions of CA before I moved out here, most of
which where dead wrong).
Regards,
Bill Bowen
Sacramento, CA
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|
| William H. Bowen <wh_bowen@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:krajj2puf6fafju
1cme9orspgrhkt0b4ju@
4ax.com:
> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Thomas,
>
> I think he is just laying out a common theme that is used
> world-wide: the version I've heard the most is that just because
> you've visited Paris doesn't necessarily mean you know anything about
> the rest of France. Same goes for those that spend a week at
> Disneyland and think they know all there is to know about California.
>
> California is a very diverse place - everything from the queer bars
> in SF to deserts to snow up over your eyeballs to trees so tall you
> have to lay on the ground to be able to see the top of them.
>
> In the 20 years I've lived out here it has become very obvious to me
> that there is NO SUCH THING as the "typical Californian" (and I had a
> lot of preconceived notions of CA before I moved out here, most of
> which where dead wrong).
>
> Regards,
> Bill Bowen
> Sacramento, CA
>
try living in Los Angeles
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|
| Steven J. Sobol wrote:
> In article < 4536414f$0$88661$742
ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS wrote:
>
> Heh. In this part of California, you have to actually make an effort to
> find anything over $500K or $600K.
Yeah, that's where all the Bay Area people will move when they cash out,
if it's still possible to cash out ten years from now.
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| jim-g 2006-10-24, 10:33 pm |
| William H. Bowen wrote:
> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote:
Very Good Bill, you hit it right on the head. No other way to respond
to a msg that is designed to draw insults in return and that is not
intended here. I can leave that to those who live for confrontation.
Jim-G
>
> Thomas,
>
> I think he is just laying out a common theme that is used
> world-wide: the version I've heard the most is that just because
> you've visited Paris doesn't necessarily mean you know anything about
> the rest of France. Same goes for those that spend a week at
> Disneyland and think they know all there is to know about California.
>
> California is a very diverse place - everything from the queer bars
> in SF to deserts to snow up over your eyeballs to trees so tall you
> have to lay on the ground to be able to see the top of them.
>
> In the 20 years I've lived out here it has become very obvious to me
> that there is NO SUCH THING as the "typical Californian" (and I had a
> lot of preconceived notions of CA before I moved out here, most of
> which where dead wrong).
>
> Regards,
> Bill Bowen
> Sacramento, CA
--
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| Thomas T. Veldhouse 2006-10-25, 7:33 am |
| William H. Bowen <wh_bowen@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> that there is NO SUCH THING as the "typical Californian" (and I had a
> lot of preconceived notions of CA before I moved out here, most of
> which where dead wrong).
>
I didn't say anything about a typical Californian. I simply said that I found
a lot more selfish people out there [in SF Bay particularily].
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| Bill Marriott 2006-10-25, 12:33 pm |
| "I didn't say there were typical Californians; I made my unfair
generalization about Californians using *completely* different words." :)
Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> William H. Bowen wrote:
>
> I didn't say anything about a typical Californian. I simply said that I
> found
> a lot more selfish people out there [in SF Bay particularily].
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| Thomas T. Veldhouse 2006-10-25, 12:33 pm |
| Bill Marriott <wjm@wjm.org> wrote:
> "I didn't say there were typical Californians; I made my unfair
> generalization about Californians using *completely* different words." :)
>
I disagree. What I made was an observation. I encountered far more "selfish"
people in California than I have elsewhere. The generalization is all your
own inference.
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Thomas T. Veldhouse
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| Bill Marriott 2006-10-25, 12:33 pm |
| As is your perception they were "selfish" :)
Thomas T. Veldhouse <veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Bill Marriott <wjm@wjm.org> wrote:
>
> I disagree. What I made was an observation. I encountered far more
> "selfish"
> people in California than I have elsewhere. The generalization is all
> your
> own inference.
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| Thomas T. Veldhouse 2006-10-25, 3:33 pm |
| Bill Marriott <wjm@wjm.org> wrote:
> As is your perception they were "selfish" :)
>
No, that is not a generization. I speak of individuals I found to be selfish.
Again, it is an observation ... one which can be quantified.
I have made my point loud and clear, so there does not appear to be further
constructive discussion on this matter?
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| Bill Marriott 2006-10-25, 3:33 pm |
| Tom,
> I have made my point loud and clear, so there does not appear to be
> further constructive discussion on this matter?
Sure there is, if you can potentially see the links between experiences and
beliefs, and how those links are not always valid.
I said your perception they were selfish was an *inference.* This was just
one step that led to your implication that people in the SF Bay area were
"more selfish."
Anais Nin famously said, "We see the world not as it is, but how we are."
The people may not have actually been selfish, or acting selfishly only
temporarily, or acting that way because of the immediate situation/context.
They may or may not be more or less selfish than people in other parts of
California, or other parts of the country, or humans in general. "Almost"
two months is hardly enough time to really know. I spent five years there
and don't think I could say one way or another.
I do know that great cheese comes from happy cows, and happy cows come from
California. :)
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| Thomas T. Veldhouse 2006-10-25, 3:33 pm |
| Bill Marriott <wjm@wjm.org> wrote:
> Tom,
>
>
> Sure there is, if you can potentially see the links between experiences and
> beliefs, and how those links are not always valid.
>
> I said your perception they were selfish was an *inference.* This was just
> one step that led to your implication that people in the SF Bay area were
> "more selfish."
Inference? No. Judgement, certainly. An inference should lead to the same
conclusion for everybody.
> I do know that great cheese comes from happy cows, and happy cows come from
> California. :)
>
Judging from the Cheese I have eaten I think Wisconsin claims the happiest
cows ;-)
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