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| John Navas 2006-08-03, 10:33 pm |
| <http://www.theregister.com/2006/08/03/verizon_tunes/>
Verizon has managed to get positive headlines for its attempt to make
music downloads popular "over the air" by announcing that it is
dropping its original "pay up front" demand - a monthly $15
subscription fee.
But a song which costs $0.99 to download to a PC still costs $1.99 to
buy via CDMA data.
The phone which is the basis of the latest story is LG's Chocolate
device, which Verizon sells for $150 ("after rebate with new two year
activation") - and for $249 with a one-year contract. There is also a
Samsung music phone involved in the promotion.
There is another up-front cost: the storage chip (two gig capacity)
costs another $100 on top.
So far, Verizon's attempts to get into the iPod market have been a
resounding flop.
It started out in January by "upgrading" the Samsung phones with new
software so subscribers could buy tunes from V Cast - the Verizon
music store. But subscribers were outraged to discover that not only
were they stung for the $15 a month fee, but also, the software
disabled their phones. Before the upgrade, they could play MP3:
after, this feature was broken. It could only play Windows Media
files (WMA).
[MORE]
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| Steve 2006-08-03, 10:33 pm |
| John Navas wrote:
> There is another up-front cost: the storage chip (two gig capacity)
> costs another $100 on top.
You don't have to look very hard to find a 2 gig memory chip for less
than $40.
(http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicat...55425&CatId=380)
Steve
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| Kevin Weaver 2006-08-03, 10:33 pm |
| John Navas wrote:
> <http://www.theregister.com/2006/08/03/verizon_tunes/>
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> Verizon has managed to get positive headlines for its attempt to make
> music downloads popular "over the air" by announcing that it is
> dropping its original "pay up front" demand - a monthly $15
> subscription fee.
>
> But a song which costs $0.99 to download to a PC still costs $1.99 to
> buy via CDMA data.
>
> The phone which is the basis of the latest story is LG's Chocolate
> device, which Verizon sells for $150 ("after rebate with new two year
> activation") - and for $249 with a one-year contract. There is also a
> Samsung music phone involved in the promotion.
>
> There is another up-front cost: the storage chip (two gig capacity)
> costs another $100 on top.
>
> So far, Verizon's attempts to get into the iPod market have been a
> resounding flop.
>
> It started out in January by "upgrading" the Samsung phones with new
> software so subscribers could buy tunes from V Cast - the Verizon
> music store. But subscribers were outraged to discover that not only
> were they stung for the $15 a month fee, but also, the software
> disabled their phones. Before the upgrade, they could play MP3:
> after, this feature was broken. It could only play Windows Media
> files (WMA).
>
> [MORE]
>
Cingular is also going to release the very same phone. Was told this
today by a cingular rep.
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| John Navas 2006-08-03, 10:33 pm |
| On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 02:02:40 GMT, Kevin Weaver
< kevinkeithweaver1@sb
cglobal.net> wrote in
<4VxAg.853$o27.157@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>:
>John Navas wrote:
[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
>Cingular is also going to release the very same phone. Was told this
>today by a cingular rep.
Maybe this one will be different, and it is getting good reviews, but
I've personally been unimpressed by every LG handset I've ever tried,
and this one is very expensive.
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| AZ Nomad 2006-08-03, 10:33 pm |
| On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 00:32:11 GMT, Steve <sconradpt@yahoo.com> wrote:
>John Navas wrote:
[color=darkred]
>You don't have to look very hard to find a 2 gig memory chip for less
>than $40.
>(http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicat...55425&CatId=380)
Try manufacturing phones with those flash cards and you won't be using tiger
as a shining example any more.
Tigerdirect gets overruns and last years models sold to them at a loss. What
tiger direct offers consumers is irrelevent to the costs of putting together
a product from new parts. No phone company is going to go to tiger direct
and take the memory sticks apart, and modify the phones to use them and then
modify the phones with every batch of a hundred memory sticks to use every
single kind of chip that is out there.
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| Steve 2006-08-03, 10:33 pm |
| AZ Nomad wrote:
> On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 00:32:11 GMT, Steve <sconradpt@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Try manufacturing phones with those flash cards and you won't be using tiger
> as a shining example any more.
>
> Tigerdirect gets overruns and last years models sold to them at a loss. What
> tiger direct offers consumers is irrelevent to the costs of putting together
> a product from new parts. No phone company is going to go to tiger direct
> and take the memory sticks apart, and modify the phones to use them and then
> modify the phones with every batch of a hundred memory sticks to use every
> single kind of chip that is out there.
What in the world are you talking about? Why would anyone rip apart a
phone to place a memory card in a slot? If you are unhappy with Tiger
how about this one?
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...20211314
) I'll
look up some more if you want me to. I bet you a 2 Gig chip that I find
a dozen sources at less than $40. ;)
The point is, the $100 dollar "on top" cost in the original posting is
an exaggeration except for anyone not willing to shop around.
Steve
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| Steve 2006-08-03, 10:33 pm |
| John Navas wrote:
> On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 00:32:11 GMT, Steve <sconradpt@yahoo.com> wrote in
> <fAwAg.7644$gF6.6348@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>:
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> Not microSD, not a good brand, and not a good retailer.
> $40 for a good quality 1 GB microSD card from a good retailer:
> <http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...20208043
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> 2 GB microSD card is currently a Verizon exclusive at $100.
> <http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archive...rosd_cards.html>
Even your examples show that $100 is hyperbole. I wasn't aware that
Tiger is not a "good retailer". I have been satisfied with them as an
occasional customer.
Steve
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| John Navas 2006-08-04, 4:33 am |
| On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 03:31:59 GMT, Steve <sconradpt@yahoo.com> wrote in
<PczAg.3252$xp2.2500@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>:
>John Navas wrote:
>
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>Even your examples show that $100 is hyperbole.
My example shows the only 2 GB card to be $100.
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| John Navas 2006-08-04, 4:33 am |
| On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 03:25:53 GMT, Steve <sconradpt@yahoo.com> wrote in
<57zAg.3249$xp2.1690@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>:
>AZ Nomad wrote:
>
>What in the world are you talking about? Why would anyone rip apart a
>phone to place a memory card in a slot? If you are unhappy with Tiger
>how about this one?
>(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...20211314
) I'll
>look up some more if you want me to. I bet you a 2 Gig chip that I find
>a dozen sources at less than $40. ;)
I'll take the bet. That's a standard SD card, not a microSD card. A
standard SD card WON"T WORK. A miniSD card WON'T WORK either. It must
be a microSD card. I'll send you my mailing address for the $100 2 GB
microSD card. :)
>The point is, the $100 dollar "on top" cost in the original posting is
>an exaggeration except for anyone not willing to shop around.
Not true. Verizon has an initial exclusive on the only card that works,
and is charging $100.
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| WindsorFox[SS] 2006-08-04, 4:33 am |
| John Navas wrote:
> On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 00:32:11 GMT, Steve <sconradpt@yahoo.com> wrote in
> <fAwAg.7644$gF6.6348@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>:
>
>
> Not microSD, not a good brand, and not a good retailer.
> $40 for a good quality 1 GB microSD card from a good retailer:
> <http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...20208043
>
> 2 GB microSD card is currently a Verizon exclusive at $100.
> <http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archive...rosd_cards.html>
>
Actually I was thinking about this...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...20171126
As for Tiger, I have ordered from them at work since Newegg is not a
vendor account and have never had a problem. I've also ordered a few
things personally with no problem including my SLVR L7 since I didn't
need all the stuff with the one at Newegg.
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I used to have abs. Now, I've just got ab.
One big ol' Ab. - BigSkiff www.titanspot.com
Pyongyang sounds more like the sound effect an ACME catapult makes
as it goes off at precisely the wrong moment for Wile E. Coyote. -
Cadbury Moose
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| John Navas 2006-08-04, 4:33 am |
| On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 01:11:35 -0500, "WindsorFox[SS]"
<windsorfox@NOSPAM.cox.net> wrote in
<qyBAg.105650$IZ2.89709@dukeread07>:
>John Navas wrote:
>
> Actually I was thinking about this...
>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...20171126
That's 1 GB. 2 GB is an initial Verizon exclusive at twice the price.
>As for Tiger, I have ordered from them at work since Newegg is not a
>vendor account and have never had a problem. I've also ordered a few
>things personally with no problem including my SLVR L7 since I didn't
>need all the stuff with the one at Newegg.
The basic problem with Tiger is that it sells so many seconds, returns,
and overstocks.
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| WindsorFox[SS] 2006-08-04, 4:33 am |
| Steve wrote:
> What in the world are you talking about? Why would anyone rip apart a
> phone to place a memory card in a slot? If you are unhappy with Tiger
> how about this one?
> (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...20211314
) I'll
> look up some more if you want me to. I bet you a 2 Gig chip that I find
> a dozen sources at less than $40. ;)
>
> The point is, the $100 dollar "on top" cost in the original posting is
> an exaggeration except for anyone not willing to shop around.
>
> Steve
That's still the wrong chip, it's SD not MICRO SD. And as of today
the 2GB microSD is being reported as "debut." No it is not an
exaggeration and no you won't find it in a dozen places unless you
consider 24+ different Verizon stores as "dozens of places."
From Biztoolbelt: "The 2GB launch was timed to go along with the
Chocolate's debut on Verizon Wireless. Verizon's retail stores across
the country will be stocking the 2GB chip for $99."
From Gizmodo: "Unfortunately for most of the country, these 2GB cards
are going to be sold exclusively at Verizon Wireless stores for the next
60 days. That means you're not going to be able to hop online and grab
one from NewEgg or Amazon."
--
I used to have abs. Now, I've just got ab.
One big ol' Ab. - BigSkiff www.titanspot.com
Pyongyang sounds more like the sound effect an ACME catapult makes
as it goes off at precisely the wrong moment for Wile E. Coyote. -
Cadbury Moose
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| EI User 2006-08-04, 10:33 pm |
| On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 02:04:54 GMT, John Navas
< spamfilter0@navasgro
up.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 00:32:11 GMT, Steve <sconradpt@yahoo.com> wrote in
><fAwAg.7644$gF6.6348@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>:
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>
>Not microSD, not a good brand, and not a good retailer.
>$40 for a good quality 1 GB microSD card from a good retailer:
><http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...20208043
>
>2 GB microSD card is currently a Verizon exclusive at $100.
><http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archive...rosd_cards.html>
Hello...
I have Sprint. Samsung A920 with a Sandisk 512MB Micro Secure Digital
Card (Transflash) that I got from Tiger. The card looks new to me. I
also got a usb key card reader for $8.00 !
Also, I'm not trying to convince any one but, the above combination
works wonders with me. I have a decent amount of songs and funny
videos. The media player does the job and the actual phone sound
incredibly good for a phone !! LOLOL
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| Robin Banks 2006-08-05, 4:33 am |
| On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 01:25:19 -0500, "WindsorFox[SS]"
<windsorfox@NOSPAM.cox.net> wrote:
> Steve wrote:
>
>
>
> That's still the wrong chip, it's SD not MICRO SD. And as of today
> the 2GB microSD is being reported as "debut." No it is not an
> exaggeration and no you won't find it in a dozen places unless you
> consider 24+ different Verizon stores as "dozens of places."
>
> From Biztoolbelt: "The 2GB launch was timed to go along with the
> Chocolate's debut on Verizon Wireless. Verizon's retail stores across
> the country will be stocking the 2GB chip for $99."
>
> From Gizmodo: "Unfortunately for most of the country, these 2GB cards
> are going to be sold exclusively at Verizon Wireless stores for the next
> 60 days. That means you're not going to be able to hop online and grab
> one from NewEgg or Amazon."
I don't know what it all matters anyway. Perhaps I'm just old fashioned, but
I think it's silly to watch TV/Movies on a phone, as well as music.
RING RING... "hello?"... that's about all I really want out of my phone. Text
is OK (I use that more like an answering machine message). Beyond that
though, I just think it's silly.
Again, perhaps I'm just old fashioned. <shrug>
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~~R.Banks
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| AZ Nomad 2006-08-05, 10:33 am |
| On Sat, 05 Aug 2006 00:26:57 -0400, Robin Banks < rbn_banks@REMOVEhotm
ail.com> wrote:
>I don't know what it all matters anyway. Perhaps I'm just old fashioned, but
>I think it's silly to watch TV/Movies on a phone, as well as music.
>RING RING... "hello?"... that's about all I really want out of my phone. Text
>is OK (I use that more like an answering machine message). Beyond that
>though, I just think it's silly.
It's like swirling graphics on the display of a car stereo. It's worthless
and adds nothing but helps sell the product.
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| RM v2.0 2006-08-07, 12:33 pm |
| > Not microSD, not a good brand, and not a good retailer.
> $40 for a good quality 1 GB microSD card from a good retailer:
> <http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...20208043
>
> 2 GB microSD card is currently a Verizon exclusive at $100.
>
How the hell is it exclusive? I bought a xv700 last year and bought a
Sandisk 2gb MicroSD from Frys for $79.
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| RM v2.0 2006-08-07, 12:33 pm |
| >
> That's 1 GB. 2 GB is an initial Verizon exclusive at twice the price.
>
How the hell is it exclusive? I bought a xv700 last year and bought a
Sandisk 2gb MicroSD from Frys for $79.
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| John Navas 2006-08-07, 12:33 pm |
| On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:22:53 GMT, "RM v2.0" <rm@blahblah.com> wrote in
<xNJBg.221343$1Q1.173885@fe03.news.easynews.com>:
>
>How the hell is it exclusive? I bought a xv700 last year and bought a
>Sandisk 2gb MicroSD from Frys for $79.
It's a microSD card, not a miniSD card.
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| John Navas 2006-08-07, 12:33 pm |
| On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:22:34 GMT, "RM v2.0" <rm@blahblah.com> wrote in
<dNJBg.317619$Zr.6573@fe06.news.easynews.com>:
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>How the hell is it exclusive? I bought a xv700 last year and bought a
>Sandisk 2gb MicroSD from Frys for $79.
There was no microSD card last year -- it's brand new.
Your XV-6700 takes miniSD, not microSD.
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| WindsorFox[SS] 2006-08-07, 3:33 pm |
| RM v2.0 wrote:
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> How the hell is it exclusive? I bought a xv700 last year and bought a
> Sandisk 2gb MicroSD from Frys for $79.
>
>
Go back and read that card. it is either not 2GB or it is not MICRO
SD.
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I used to have abs. Now, I've just got ab.
One big ol' Ab. - BigSkiff www.titanspot.com
Pyongyang sounds more like the sound effect an ACME catapult makes
as it goes off at precisely the wrong moment for Wile E. Coyote. -
Cadbury Moose
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| Edgar 2006-08-07, 10:33 pm |
| As far as I've seen its been getting bad reviews, not good ones. Its a
stylish piece that is a music player first and a phone second. And its all
style and very little function. That's a quick summary of the reviews I've
seen for it.
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> On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 02:02:40 GMT, Kevin Weaver
> < kevinkeithweaver1@sb
cglobal.net> wrote in
> <4VxAg.853$o27.157@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>:
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> Maybe this one will be different, and it is getting good reviews, but
> I've personally been unimpressed by every LG handset I've ever tried,
> and this one is very expensive.
>
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| Larry 2006-08-07, 10:33 pm |
| "RM v2.0" <rm@blahblah.com> wrote in news:dNJBg.317619$Zr.6573
@fe06.news.easynews.com:
> How the hell is it exclusive? I bought a xv700 last year and bought a
> Sandisk 2gb MicroSD from Frys for $79.
>
>
>
I've gotten many friends on the Sansadisc microdrive players, recently.
These little microdrive players play no copyright games, making them
eligible for my recommendations. Any player I recommend MUST act like a
simple USB hard drive with no restrictions and play at least MP3 music
directly copied from any computer without proprietary software or added
licensing files. If Windows Explorer can't copy playable files to the
player, it's automatically disqualified as far as I'm concerned.
My fav players are the old Archos Jukebox Studio 20 20GB hard drive
that's been bouncing around in my truck so long the paint wore off it.
Archos replaced the first one with the defective hard drive with a new
one with a Toshiba 20GB drive that operates, still many years later,
flawlessly. I swapped out the 700maH Ni-Mh AA cells for new 2550maH Ni-
Mh AA cells, the biggest ones I can buy, extending its runtime many, many
hours. That unit was replaced with a Digital Mind Xclef 500 100GB hard
drive MP3 player that was just discontinued by Digital Mind. Why DM
would drop a player they never could keep in stock and always on back
order remains a mystery. It never failed over the 2-3 years I've used
it. I took out its 100GB 2.5" standard laptop hard drive and replaced it
with a new 120GB 2.5" laptop hard drive for more space. It runs 22 hours
on a charge on a standard-sized Li-Ion cellphone battery. You CAN carry
your favorite collection in your pocket...(c; The Xclef is also a
digital MP3 recorder, which is handy, and has an FM radio I've never
used. FM is just spam and noise...a waste of time.
The Sansadisc players are great, very compact and rugged. I hate hearing
the same song over during a trip, though, but it would be ok for a walk
or runner.....
Cellphones hobbled up by Verizon will NEVER replace proper, unhobbled,
MP3 players. How stupid.....
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| Paul Hovnanian P.E. 2006-08-07, 10:33 pm |
| Question: Do you really want to use all your battery capacity listening
to music?
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| Todd Allcock 2006-08-08, 4:33 am |
| At 07 Aug 2006 17:41:52 -0700 Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:
> Question: Do you really want to use all your battery capacity listening
> to music?
>
Why not? Compared to my first cellphone, a Nokia "brick", which ran
about 12 hours on a single charge, modern phones have battery life to
spare. I used to charge my prevoius phone, a Nokia 3620, nightly even
though it would run nearly 4 days on a single charge. My current phone
is a PDA/phone (a T-Mobile MDA) so I guess I've come full circle- with
occasional Wi-Fi and MP3 use the MDA lasts about 12 hours! ;-)
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| George 2006-08-08, 7:33 am |
| Larry wrote:
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> Cellphones hobbled up by Verizon will NEVER replace proper, unhobbled,
> MP3 players. How stupid.....
>
Sure they will since DRM is the main focus of product design these days
because even though the media organizations have record profits they are
"loosing money" when you play an mp3.
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| Jack Zwick 2006-08-08, 7:33 am |
| In article < PL2dnalZxPlx6kXZnZ2d
nUVZ_s-dnZ2d@adelphia.com>,
George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Larry wrote:
>
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> Sure they will since DRM is the main focus of product design these days
> because even though the media organizations have record profits they are
> "loosing money" when you play an mp3.
I guess you folks have never had hands on with a Sony "Walkman" phone.
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| WindsorFox[SS] 2006-08-08, 10:33 am |
| Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:
> Question: Do you really want to use all your battery capacity listening
> to music?
>
I can listen on headphones all day and it still lasts for two days.
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I used to have abs. Now, I've just got ab.
One big ol' Ab. - BigSkiff www.titanspot.com
Pyongyang sounds more like the sound effect an ACME catapult makes
as it goes off at precisely the wrong moment for Wile E. Coyote. -
Cadbury Moose
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| Larry 2006-08-08, 10:33 pm |
| Jack Zwick <jackzwick@yahoo.com> wrote in news:jackzwick-
1F153E. 07261308082006@newsc
lstr02.news.prodigy.com:
> I guess you folks have never had hands on with a Sony "Walkman" phone.
>
Nope.....I wouldn't even have a digital phone if given the choice. Mine
would be on FM with AMPS!...(c;
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