T-Mobile cellular service - 850 Roaming is Coming

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850 Roaming is Coming

Karen

2005-06-09, 6:55 am

Starting in Minn St. Paul.

Mike Schumann

2005-06-09, 6:55 am

850 Roaming has been reality in Northern MN & WI for many months now.

Mike Schumann

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quote:

> Starting in Minn St. Paul.
>

klugja@hotmail.com

2005-06-09, 6:55 am

How about if they supported more GSM 850 phones. For instance, how
about WAP 2.0 on a T616, instead of assuming its 1.x for the T-Zone's
home page. T-Mobile's European WAP site works fine on a T616, as do
most WAP site's.

(PeteCresswell)

2005-06-09, 4:55 pm

Could somebody give a brief definition of '850 Roaming'?
--
PeteCresswell

Cyrus Afzali

2005-06-09, 4:55 pm

On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 08:53:06 -0700, "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.z.invalid>
wrote:

quote:

>Could somebody give a brief definition of '850 Roaming'?

T-Mobile is a carier that uses the PCS band (e.g. 1900 mHz). Since
it's licensed as a PCS carrier, it will never be awarded any spectrum
outside the 1900 mHz band. However, Cingular is one of the carriers
that operates in both the 1900 mHz band and also has 850 mHz spectrum,
as do Western Wireless and several others.

TM has roaming agreements that allow 850 mHz roaming in some areas,
including MN. And there is equipment offered that does include that
band. However, at least in my experience there's still a ton of 850
mHz coverage area where we still don't have the ability to roam. I
tested the ability with a quad-band Treo 600 a few weeks ago in TN and
got nothing.

In theory, if we had widespread ability to roam on areas with 850 mHz
coverage in addition to TM's native coverage areas, there would be
many fewer coverage gaps.

Mike Schumann

2005-06-10, 6:55 am

Was the problem in TN that there wasn't an 850 GSM signal, or that T-Mobile
didn't have an 850GSM roaming agreement (not authorized, when you try to
select the network)?

Mike Schumann

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quote:

> On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 08:53:06 -0700, "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.z.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>
> T-Mobile is a carier that uses the PCS band (e.g. 1900 mHz). Since
> it's licensed as a PCS carrier, it will never be awarded any spectrum
> outside the 1900 mHz band. However, Cingular is one of the carriers
> that operates in both the 1900 mHz band and also has 850 mHz spectrum,
> as do Western Wireless and several others.
>
> TM has roaming agreements that allow 850 mHz roaming in some areas,
> including MN. And there is equipment offered that does include that
> band. However, at least in my experience there's still a ton of 850
> mHz coverage area where we still don't have the ability to roam. I
> tested the ability with a quad-band Treo 600 a few weeks ago in TN and
> got nothing.
>
> In theory, if we had widespread ability to roam on areas with 850 mHz
> coverage in addition to TM's native coverage areas, there would be
> many fewer coverage gaps.

Cyrus Afzali

2005-06-10, 4:55 pm

On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 02:30:36 GMT, "Mike Schumann"
<mike-nospam@traditions-nospam.com> wrote:

quote:

>Was the problem in TN that there wasn't an 850 GSM signal, or that T-Mobile
>didn't have an 850GSM roaming agreement (not authorized, when you try to
>select the network)?

Truthfully, Mike, I have yet to find a way to manually "hunt" for a
network on my Treo 650 as I did for years on the Nokia. I know that in
most cases, a network will automatically show up and you'll register
if we're authorized to roam there. But I had many occasions over the
years where a roaming network wouldn't show up until I searched for
it.

So, IOW, no network ever showed up even though the Treo 650 is a
quad-band world phone.

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>Mike Schumann
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Mark Pfeifer

2005-06-10, 10:55 pm

Do you know the areas where roaming will be available?

Thanks,
Mark

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quote:

> On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 08:53:06 -0700, "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.z.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>
> T-Mobile is a carier that uses the PCS band (e.g. 1900 mHz). Since
> it's licensed as a PCS carrier, it will never be awarded any spectrum
> outside the 1900 mHz band. However, Cingular is one of the carriers
> that operates in both the 1900 mHz band and also has 850 mHz spectrum,
> as do Western Wireless and several others.
>
> TM has roaming agreements that allow 850 mHz roaming in some areas,
> including MN. And there is equipment offered that does include that
> band. However, at least in my experience there's still a ton of 850
> mHz coverage area where we still don't have the ability to roam. I
> tested the ability with a quad-band Treo 600 a few weeks ago in TN and
> got nothing.
>
> In theory, if we had widespread ability to roam on areas with 850 mHz
> coverage in addition to TM's native coverage areas, there would be
> many fewer coverage gaps.

Cyrus Afzali

2005-06-10, 10:55 pm

On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:58:55 -0400, "Mark Pfeifer"
<see_msg@sprynet.com> wrote:

quote:

>Do you know the areas where roaming will be available?
>
>Thanks,
>Mark

There are areas where it's available now, however it's never been
officially announced by T-Mobile. It's more a "quietly" supported
feature for those who have 850 mHz-capable equipment.

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Big Endian

2005-06-11, 9:55 am

In article <dQOpe.1440$pa3.234@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Mike Schumann" <mike-nospam@traditions-nospam.com> wrote:

quote:

> 850 Roaming has been reality in Northern MN & WI for many months now.
>
> Mike Schumann

Not according to T-Mobile sales people I talked to. The word they gave
me was that it was being "tested" in some areas of Northern Minnesota,
but not turned on for general use. This was as of last
December/January, 04/05.

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Mike Schumann

2005-06-12, 6:55 am

That was the party line, but in reality the 850 GSM roaming has been
available for all T-Mobile customers in northern MN and WI since before
X-Mas.

Mike Schumann

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> In article <dQOpe.1440$pa3.234@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
> "Mike Schumann" <mike-nospam@traditions-nospam.com> wrote:
>
>
> Not according to T-Mobile sales people I talked to. The word they gave
> me was that it was being "tested" in some areas of Northern Minnesota,
> but not turned on for general use. This was as of last
> December/January, 04/05.
>
>
>

^'^BatAttaK^'^

2005-06-12, 6:55 am

On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 04:41:21 GMT, "Mike Schumann"
<mike-nospam@traditions-nospam.com> wrote:

quote:

>That was the party line, but in reality the 850 GSM roaming has been
>available for all T-Mobile customers in northern MN and WI since before
>X-Mas.

And it is currently being tested for reliability and compatibility.

Big Endian

2005-06-12, 9:55 am

In article <R1Pqe.3015$VK4.1575@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Mike Schumann" <mike-nospam@traditions-nospam.com> wrote:

quote:

> That was the party line, but in reality the 850 GSM roaming has been
> available for all T-Mobile customers in northern MN and WI since before
> X-Mas.
>
> Mike Schumann

Will the Nokia 6010 work with it?

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Danska

2005-06-12, 10:55 pm

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quote:

> In article <R1Pqe.3015$VK4.1575@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
> "Mike Schumann" <mike-nospam@traditions-nospam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Will the Nokia 6010 work with it?

yes, i do believe your phone will work there. Last i checked, the 6010 was
850/1900mhz. (850 for the new roaming and 1900 for regular tmobile coverage
and some older roaming)

Big Endian

2005-06-13, 6:55 am

In article <tcOdnW5vFopgCDHfRVn-1w@comcast.com>,
"Danska" <danskaNOSPAN@gmail.com> wrote:

quote:

> "Big Endian" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> yes, i do believe your phone will work there. Last i checked, the 6010 was
> 850/1900mhz. (850 for the new roaming and 1900 for regular tmobile coverage
> and some older roaming)

I don't have a 6010, but when my contract is up (IF I stay w. TM) I
intend to get a dual bander of some kind. I almost got the 6010 at the
beginning, but the sales persons talked me into the Samsung C225 which I
like fine, but as then as now I thought the dual band would be handy
just in case, they said T-mobile will NOT be moving into 850 land and I
believed them.

So next time I won't listen to salespeople and their mumbo jumbo.

Joseph

2005-06-13, 4:55 pm

On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:10:10 GMT, Big Endian <nospam@nospam.com>
wrote:

quote:

>I don't have a 6010, but when my contract is up (IF I stay w. TM) I
>intend to get a dual bander of some kind. I almost got the 6010 at the
>beginning, but the sales persons talked me into the Samsung C225 which I
>like fine, but as then as now I thought the dual band would be handy
>just in case, they said T-mobile will NOT be moving into 850 land and I
>believed them.
>
>So next time I won't listen to salespeople and their mumbo jumbo.

T-Mobile is *NOT* moving to 850 and never will. T-Mobile is PCS band
only and will remain so unless they buy out cingular (which likelihood
is nil!)

- -

rocky

2005-06-13, 10:55 pm

In article < s39ra1hhbg70iqq6nnp0
kuan9u2mh549jd@4ax.com>,
Joseph <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com> wrote:

quote:

> On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 09:10:10 GMT, Big Endian <nospam@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> T-Mobile is *NOT* moving to 850 and never will. T-Mobile is PCS band
> only and will remain so unless they buy out cingular (which likelihood
> is nil!)
>
> - -
>

well ok, but what is all this talk about 850 roaming in N. Minnesota?
Is it true or not? I'm not arguing, but I'd like to know one way or
another. So many stories and I don't know what to believe.

(PeteCresswell)

2005-06-13, 10:55 pm

Per Joseph:

quote:

>PCS band

?

--
PeteCresswell

Cyrus Afzali

2005-06-13, 10:55 pm

On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:48:50 -0700, "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.z.invalid>
wrote:

quote:

>Per Joseph:
>
>?

Any mobile phone provider operating in the 1900 mHz spectrum is a PCS
band operator. It gets a little confusing, however, because all PCS
providers don't use the same technology. IOW, both Sprint and T-Mobile
are PCS providers, but Sprint is CDMA and T-Mobile is GSM.

(PeteCresswell)

2005-06-13, 10:55 pm

Per Cyrus Afzali:

quote:

>PCS

Any idea what the letters PCS stand for?

--
PeteCresswell

Joseph

2005-06-13, 10:55 pm

On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:19:58 GMT, rocky <mar.sv@mars.com> wrote:

quote:

>In article < s39ra1hhbg70iqq6nnp0
kuan9u2mh549jd@4ax.com>,
> Joseph <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>well ok, but what is all this talk about 850 roaming in N. Minnesota?
>Is it true or not? I'm not arguing, but I'd like to know one way or
>another. So many stories and I don't know what to believe.

You didn't say roaming. T-Mobile now has some roaming agreements with
some GSM 850 operators. However, T-Mobile will *never* have GSM 850.
It's impossible since the only cellular operators are usually Verizon
(CDMA) or cingular. Unless T-Mobile buys cingular T-Mobile will never
have native GSM 850.
- -

Joseph

2005-06-13, 10:55 pm

On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:48:50 -0700, "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.z.invalid>
wrote:

quote:

>Per Joseph:
>
>?

Google is your friend!

PCS=1900 Mhz
Cellular=800/850 Mhz

- -

rocky

2005-06-13, 10:55 pm

In article < nf8sa19dosnmnuma1tfq
aabhmup1mutol1@4ax.com>,
Joseph <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com> wrote:

quote:

> On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:19:58 GMT, rocky <mar.sv@mars.com> wrote:
>
>
> You didn't say roaming. T-Mobile now has some roaming agreements with
> some GSM 850 operators. However, T-Mobile will *never* have GSM 850.
> It's impossible since the only cellular operators are usually Verizon
> (CDMA) or cingular. Unless T-Mobile buys cingular T-Mobile will never
> have native GSM 850.
> - -
>

Ok then if TM has 850 "roaming" will that increase coverage where TM is
lacking with the 1.9 Ghz band? Is the 850 roaming now available in N.
Mn.? Hopefully I'll get a straight answer from somebody.

(PeteCresswell)

2005-06-13, 10:55 pm

Per Joseph:

quote:

>Google is your friend!
>
>PCS=1900 Mhz

Got it.

P-ersonal
C-ommunications
S-ystem

--
PeteCresswell

Jerome Zelinske

2005-06-14, 6:55 am

Who knows? Maybe they could buy some parts/all of uscellular or some
parts/all of alltel or somebody and launch gsm on those licenses. There
used to be I think someone around here called einstein that was gsm, but
I do not know if they were cellular or PCS.

Joseph

2005-06-14, 6:55 am

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 00:48:07 GMT, rocky <mar.sv@mars.com> wrote:

quote:

>Ok then if TM has 850 "roaming" will that increase coverage where TM is
>lacking with the 1.9 Ghz band? Is the 850 roaming now available in N.
>Mn.? Hopefully I'll get a straight answer from somebody.

Yes, that will increase roaming coverage where an agreement is in
place. If there is no roaming agreement you cannot register on
another network.

- -

brobin

2005-06-14, 6:55 am

PCS = Pete Cresswell Senior
(sorry, couldn't resist)

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> Per Cyrus Afzali:
>
> Any idea what the letters PCS stand for?
>
> --
> PeteCresswell

Joseph

2005-06-14, 6:55 am

On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:26:00 -0700, "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.z.invalid>
wrote:

quote:

>Per Cyrus Afzali:
>
>Any idea what the letters PCS stand for?

Per google:

Personal Communications Service.

Google is your friend!

- -

Joseph

2005-06-14, 6:55 am

On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 02:36:45 GMT, Jerome Zelinske
<jeromez1@earthlink.net> wrote:

quote:

> Who knows? Maybe they could buy some parts/all of uscellular or some
>parts/all of alltel or somebody and launch gsm on those licenses. There
>used to be I think someone around here called einstein that was gsm, but
>I do not know if they were cellular or PCS.

Einstein is PCS.

That's probably why their web URL is http://www.einsteinpcs.com
- -

rocky

2005-06-14, 6:55 am

In article < thosa19jl557lehf5lej
46gts1jr7th3uq@4ax.com>,
Joseph <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com> wrote:

quote:

> On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 00:48:07 GMT, rocky <mar.sv@mars.com> wrote:
>
>
> Yes, that will increase roaming coverage where an agreement is in
> place. If there is no roaming agreement you cannot register on
> another network.
>
> - -
>

TM was telling the truth back in Dec when I asked about it.

Anyway, thanks for the explanation.

Mike Schumann

2005-06-14, 4:55 pm

T-Mobile itself may never own 850, but that is irrelevant for us as users.
What is relevant is where we have phone service.

In northern MN and WI, there are many areas where Dobson has 850 GSM service
that T-Mobile customers can roam on. If you have a GSM 850 capable phone,
you have service. If you don't, you don't have service.

Mike Schumann

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quote:

> In article < nf8sa19dosnmnuma1tfq
aabhmup1mutol1@4ax.com>,
> Joseph <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Ok then if TM has 850 "roaming" will that increase coverage where TM is
> lacking with the 1.9 Ghz band? Is the 850 roaming now available in N.
> Mn.? Hopefully I'll get a straight answer from somebody.

Kentish

2005-06-16, 10:55 pm

Yes, select a phone that you like most and dont get convinced by the
salespeople, they might be overstocked with that unit and sweet talked you
to buy that item.

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quote:

> In article <tcOdnW5vFopgCDHfRVn-1w@comcast.com>,
> "Danska" <danskaNOSPAN@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I don't have a 6010, but when my contract is up (IF I stay w. TM) I
> intend to get a dual bander of some kind. I almost got the 6010 at the
> beginning, but the sales persons talked me into the Samsung C225 which I
> like fine, but as then as now I thought the dual band would be handy
> just in case, they said T-mobile will NOT be moving into 850 land and I
> believed them.
>
> So next time I won't listen to salespeople and their mumbo jumbo.

Kentish

2005-06-16, 10:55 pm

Yes, I agree. The roaming agreement will enable your phone to switch to any
band available where T-Mo has no signal. This information is stored on your
SIM card and is depending if the cellphone is capable of operating in other
bands. T-Mo operates only in 1900Mhz band.

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quote:

> Was the problem in TN that there wasn't an 850 GSM signal, or that
> T-Mobile didn't have an 850GSM roaming agreement (not authorized, when you
> try to select the network)?
>
> Mike Schumann
>
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