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Get your own TomTom newsgroup already!
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| Ramon F Herrera 2007-01-19, 12:33 pm |
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Please?
-Ramon
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| Andrew 2007-01-20, 4:33 am |
| On 19 Jan 2007 08:36:06 -0800, "Ramon F Herrera" <ramon@conexus.net>
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>Please?
Why? They are the market leader, why shouldn't they be discussed here?
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| Ramon F Herrera 2007-01-21, 4:33 am |
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Andrew wrote:
> On 19 Jan 2007 08:36:06 -0800, "Ramon F Herrera" <ramon@conexus.net>
> wrote:
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> Why? They are the market leader, why shouldn't they be discussed here?
> --
> Andrew, contact via http://interpleb.googlepages.com
> Help make Usenet a better place: English is read downwards,
> please don't top post. Trim replies to quote only relevant text.
> Check groups.google.com before asking an obvious question.
Let's translate the issue into another arena.
Let's say that we have these newsgroups:
comp.os
comp.os.vms
comp.os.os2
comp.os.macintosh
comp.os.unix
comp.os.unix.linux
comp.os.unix.solaris
comp.os.dos
And there are lots of people discussing about Windows in the top
(comp.os) newsgroup.
I say: "let's get a comp.os.windows NG, folks!"
Then Andrew says:
"Why? They are the market leader, why shouldn't they be discussed
here?"
PRECISELY because they are the market leader (TomTom? Really? Can you
back that up? Maybe they are the leaders in crappy GPS?) they need
their own specific group.
It is a problem if generalization vs. specialization.
Would you live in a street near the market just because you are the
market leader? Everybody else lives in a house, but you, the arrogant
market leader, live in the city square.
What will happen when, I don't know, let's say Garmin becomes the
market leader:
"Attention everyone Andrew hare came up with a rule: we have to
eliminate alt.satellite.gps.garmin, move all the Garmin discussion to
the top (alt.satellite.gps) and create a new alt.satellite.gps.tomtom
newsgroup."
In fact, since the market leader changes we will get a subscription to
"GPS Times" and every month when the market leader changes, we
rearrange the hierarchy, as per Andrew.
-Ramon
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| > PRECISELY because they are the market leader (TomTom? Really? Can you
> back that up? Maybe they are the leaders in crappy GPS?) they need
> their own specific group.
>
> It is a problem if generalization vs. specialization.
>
> Would you live in a street near the market just because you are the
> market leader? Everybody else lives in a house, but you, the arrogant
> market leader, live in the city square.
>
> What will happen when, I don't know, let's say Garmin becomes the
> market leader:
>
> "Attention everyone Andrew hare came up with a rule: we have to
> eliminate alt.satellite.gps.garmin, move all the Garmin discussion to
> the top (alt.satellite.gps) and create a new alt.satellite.gps.tomtom
> newsgroup."
>
> In fact, since the market leader changes we will get a subscription to
> "GPS Times" and every month when the market leader changes, we
> rearrange the hierarchy, as per Andrew.
>
> -Ramon
you want to take a chill pill m8, and stop being so confrontational
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| Andrew 2007-01-21, 10:33 am |
| On 20 Jan 2007 23:49:23 -0800, someone called "Ramon F Herrera"
<ramon@conexus.net> who is in bad need of being hit with a clue stick
wrote:
> "Attention everyone Andrew hare came up with a rule: we have to
>eliminate alt.satellite.gps.garmin, move all the Garmin discussion to
>the top (alt.satellite.gps) and create a new alt.satellite.gps.tomtom
>newsgroup."
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>In fact, since the market leader changes we will get a subscription to
>"GPS Times" and every month when the market leader changes, we
>rearrange the hierarchy, as per Andrew.
WTF are you on about? I am saying everything can and should be
discussed here. There isn't enough traffic to justify fragmented
specialist groups.
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| Ramon F Herrera 2007-01-21, 3:33 pm |
| Andrew wrote:
> On 20 Jan 2007 23:49:23 -0800, someone called "Ramon F Herrera"
> <ramon@conexus.net> who is in bad need of being hit with a clue stick
> wrote:
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> WTF are you on about? I am saying everything can and should be
> discussed here. There isn't enough traffic to justify fragmented
> specialist groups.
> --
Haven't you taken at least one class on Economics? In the first week
you will hear this:
"Supply produces its own demand"
I take it from your answer that you don't know about the existence of:
alt.satellite.gps.garmin
alt.satellite.gps.magellan
They are very useful and active. Are TomTom users second class
citizens?
-Ramon
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| "Ramon F Herrera" <ramon@conexus.net> wrote in message
news:1169407301.674567.110190@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Andrew wrote:
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> Haven't you taken at least one class on Economics? In the first week
> you will hear this:
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> "Supply produces its own demand"
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> I take it from your answer that you don't know about the existence of:
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> alt.satellite.gps.garmin
> alt.satellite.gps.magellan
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> They are very useful and active. Are TomTom users second class
> citizens?
So write a charter and start the group if you thinks it's so important.
Obviously no other TomTom users have thought so thus far.
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| Steve Calvin 2007-01-21, 3:33 pm |
| Seth wrote:
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> So write a charter and start the group if you thinks it's so important.
> Obviously no other TomTom users have thought so thus far.
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ding ding ding, we *have* a winner! Give that man a cupie
doll! ;-)
You want a group? Start one.
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Steve
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| Steve Calvin 2007-01-21, 3:33 pm |
| Steve Calvin wrote:
> Seth wrote:
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> ding ding ding, we *have* a winner! Give that man a cupie doll! ;-)
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> You want a group? Start one.
>
My apologies. I didn't notice that this was cross posted.
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Steve
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| Ramon F Herrera 2007-01-21, 3:33 pm |
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Steve Calvin wrote:
> Seth wrote:
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> ding ding ding, we *have* a winner! Give that man a cupie
> doll! ;-)
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> You want a group? Start one.
>
Technically, I don't want a group to belong to, as I don't know -or
care- the first thing about that brand. I hear that they are very user
friendly and forced Garmin to come up with the n=FCvi family (the one I
use).
I am prompting somebody from the TomTom side of the aisle to get their
own newsgroup, and we can use the top level for general discussions.
I am guessing that the typical (all?) TomTom user is not too
technologically literate? If that's the case, perhaps the TomTom
corporate folks themselves can get that newsgroup started.
-Ramon
alt.satellite.gps.tomtom deserves to be born!!
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| Jack Erbes 2007-01-21, 10:33 pm |
| Ramon F Herrera wrote:
> Steve Calvin wrote:
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> Technically, I don't want a group to belong to, as I don't know -or
> care- the first thing about that brand. I hear that they are very user
> friendly and forced Garmin to come up with the nüvi family (the one I
> use).
You have to change brands occasionally to keep any company from taking
over the market and having a monopoly. I shifted from Magellan to
Garmin for handhelds this past summer. Imagine my surprise when my 76Cx
also wound up also replacing Tom Tom Navigator 5 on a PDA on my
motorcycle and in the car.
The first time I saw the software on a garmin c330 I thought "Damn!
That looks a lot like Tom Tom!". Sure enough, I hear that Tom Tom is
suing Garmin to in the EU protect its "look and feel".
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/1...br />
to_court/
About the same time Garmin jumps on Tom Tom here in the U.S. for patent
infringements but, for the most part, loses its case:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/1...lawsu
it/
Then Tom Tom either loses or does not win the EU case because the Dutch
judge found the Tom Tom Go models to have a more round/less angular shape:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/1...gn_
case/
But how about the Garmin software look and feel? I was thinking that
look and feel of the Garmin "i" and "c" series has a lot in common with
Tom Tom's models. But then the Tom Tom look and feel was not unique, it
looks much like all the NavTeq implementations seen in various
automobile built in systems, Dell Axims, and a number of other
implementations.
Maybe in the end they'll all agree to quit fighting. And then they'll
all raise all their prices to pay off the legal fees.
> I am guessing that the typical (all?) TomTom user is not too
> technologically literate? If that's the case, perhaps the TomTom
> corporate folks themselves can get that newsgroup started.
Why so? Just because they don't record tracks? Or give you a desktop
app for uploading routes? The Tom Tom software is better than many of
the new Garmins in that you can get complete control of routing with
their itinerary planning feature.
If Tom Tom added track recording and a desktop application for
displaying the mapping, planning routes, and uploading, they would
improve their market appeal in my opinion.
In the meantime, Garmin is simplifying the navigation capabilities on
some of their newer models and not giving you the desktop app and
mapping for preloaded units unless the consumer asks for it. Looks to
me like Garmin is trying to turn its customers into technological
illiterates.
Garmin can't trick me though. No multiple destination routing, no sale!
No track recording, no sale!
Jack
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Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA (jackerbes at adelphia dot net)
(also receiving email at jacker at midmaine dot com)
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