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| not_bad 2007-10-01, 7:33 am |
| N E V E R B U Y G A R M I N !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I bought StreetPilot c320, Australia with maps number 6 for Australia.
Maps City Navigator Australia 7 i should get for free. So immediately
after purchasing I've filled for free maps update.
Waited 8 months for CD with updates and received without unlocking codes.
When exchanged several emails because one moron was insisting on using
old codes not realizing, that I need new codes for unlocking, finally
they gave me a magic solution!
Buy new set of maps (Number 8) because we can't give you codes for maps
number 7. It will cost you $360 for update on obsolete now GPS, not in
production line any more.
Below I'm supplying a full copies of all emails as a prove and even my
registration account password and codes for maps number 6.
I really don't give a shit what they think of me anymore.
You have been warned!
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N E V E R B U Y G A R M I N !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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unlock@garmin.com wrote:
> Dear not_bad,
>
> Thank you for contacting Garmin(Europe)Ltd.
> I have logged into your account (changed password to garmin) and gone
> through all the instructions I have sent you. it looks like you are
> trying to unlock V7 and it wont let you because 2008 is available. What
> I would suggest would be to update to 2008, as this is your only option
> - cannot unlock a previous mapping product when and new version is
> available.
>
>
> Kind regards
> Graeme Ball Garmin (Europe) Ltd
> ____________________
____________________
____________________
__
> Liberty House | Hounsdown Business Park | Southampton | SO40 9RB | UK
> T: 08082380000 | F: +44 (0)23 8052 4004 | www.garmin.co.uk
> Registered office: Liberty House, Hounsdown Business Park, Southampton,
> SO40 9RB, UK. Registration no. 2724437 VAT Reg. No. GB568 6978 58
>
>
>
> Original Message Follows:
> ------------------------
> unlock@garmin.com wrote:
> Dear not_bad,
>
> Thank you for contacting Garmin(Europe)Ltd.
> The link I sent you was to update the Mapsource software.
>
> I did.
>
> I would
> suggest updating the software.
>
> yep...
>
> to get your V7 unlock code you need to
> create a MyGarmin account.
>
> done while used City Navigator Australia 6
>
>
> once you have done that you need to click on
> Mapsource unlock.
>
>
>
> a new page will appear and you need to click on add
> code. if you add the unit serial number and the coupon/registration
> code: VD4KSRA
>
>
> AND THAT DOESN'T WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!
>
> Because according to Garmin that is a coupon all ready used for City
> Navigator Australia 6 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> I'm getting message as follows:
>
> The Code you entered has already been associated with a myGarmin
> account. Please check the code and try again.
>
> I didn't get with CD MapSource unlock certificate and I didn't get
> Registration Code.
>
>
> For God's sake I'm not idiot! I'm a computer technician and I've used
> thousand of times old sorts of codes, serials, activations
> and even cracks, all that kind of stuff but I've never have experienced
> this kind of difficulties!
>
> Some one is an idiot here and I'm sure that's not me!
>
> I repeat again.
>
> I have an account created last year.
>
> Below my all details.
>
>
> StreetPilot c320, Australia
> Serial Number
> Unit Id
> 88356829
> 3164200586
> MapSourceÂŽ Product
> City Navigator Australia v6
> Region
> City Navigator Australia, Deluxe All Regions, Apr 05
> Code
> VD4KSRA
> Unlock Code
> Date Unlocked
> QHP4NNFEEJXPJQWXLF5B
TJKMF
> Jul 17, 2006
>
>
> As you can see, it's unlocked 17 July 2006 and I've unlocked City
> Navigator Australia 6 Maps, not version 7!!!!!!
>
>
> When I use THE SAME CODES, SYSTEM IS ASKING FOR NEW CODES!!!!!
>
> Apparently Maps City Navigator Australia 7 (NOT 6) need new codes.
>
> And I don't have ones.
>
> Would you supply me them or I had to post that story on few news groups
> because you service is XXXXing driving me mad!!!!!
>
> And one thing is certain.
>
> That's not my fault!
>
> If this time I'll not get right codes plus apologies included for
> crappy service, I'll post the whole story on the net warning others
> about such crappy service of Garmin products.
>
> Waiting 8 monts for update and now fighting to get it unlocked.
>
> WTF is wrong with you people!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
>
>
> With utter disrespect!
>
> not_bad
>
>
>
> Once you have done this you need to click on the right hand side under
> unlocked units. then select your unit. a option mapping updates will
> appear. select it and follow the on screen instructions and you will be
> able to unlock your V7 mapping update.
> Kind regards
> Graeme Ball Garmin (Europe) Ltd
> ____________________
____________________
____________________
__
> Liberty House | Hounsdown Business Park | Southampton | SO40 9RB | UK
> T: 08082380000 | F: +44 (0)23 8052 4004 | www.garmin.co.uk
> Registered office: Liberty House, Hounsdown Business Park, Southampton,
> SO40 9RB, UK. Registration no. 2724437 VAT Reg. No. GB568 6978 58
>
>
>
> Original Message Follows:
> ------------------------
> Thanks but no, thanks!
>
> You have provided a link to update City Navigator Australia 6. What I
> need is City Navigator Australia 7!!!
>
> I all ready have these codes. Both!
>
>
>
>
> GARMIN
>
>
>
>
> Unit Serial Number:
>
> 88356829
>
>
> Registration Code:
>
> VD4KSRA
>
>
> Unit ID
>
> 3164200586
>
>
> Unlock Code:
>
> QHP4N-NFEEJ-XPJQW-XLF5B-TJKMF
>
>
>
> Just look in my original post and I have all ready supplied you that
> number.
>
>
> :-P
>
> What I need is City Navigator Australia 7!!!
>
>
> I need two numbers.
>
> Unlock code:
>
> and...
>
> 7 character Registration Code
>
> Again, for map set City Navigator Australia 7!!!
>
> I all ready have a CD but I didn't get any of these with it.
>
>
> CD with City Navigator Australia 7 serial no: UB 17708918
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> not_bad
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> unlock@garmin.com wrote:
> Dear not_bad,
>
> Thank you for contacting Garmin(Europe)Ltd.
> Make sue you are useing this code: QHP4N-NFEEJ-XPJQW-XLF5B-TJKMF
> Also try updating the Mapsource software via the following link.
> http://www8.garmin.com/support/down...ails.jsp?id=209
>
> This should sort out the problem.
>
> Kind regards
> Graeme Ball Garmin (Europe) Ltd
> ____________________
____________________
____________________
__
> Liberty House | Hounsdown Business Park | Southampton | SO40 9RB | UK
> T: 08082380000 | F: +44 (0)23 8052 4004 | www.garmin.co.uk
> Registered office: Liberty House, Hounsdown Business Park, Southampton,
> SO40 9RB, UK. Registration no. 2724437 VAT Reg. No. GB568 6978 58
>
>
>
> Original Message Follows:
> ------------------------
> Here we are...
>
>
>
>
> GARMIN
>
> Unit Serial Number:
> 88356829
> Registration Code:
> VD4KSRA
> Unit ID
> 3164200586
> Unlock Code:
> QHP4N-NFEEJ-XPJQW-XLF5B-TJKMF
>
> CD serial no: UB 17708918
> Unlock code applies to Australia map set number 6.
>
>
> TIA
>
>
> not_bad
>
>
>
>
> unlock@garmin.com wrote:
> Dear Henry Kubik,
>
> Thank you for contacting Garmin(Europe)Ltd.
> Ok if you can provide me with your GPS serial number I can find the
> right codes for you.
> Kind regards
> Graeme Ball Garmin (Europe) Ltd
> ____________________
____________________
____________________
__
> Liberty House | Hounsdown Business Park | Southampton | SO40 9RB | UK
> T: 08082380000 | F: +44 (0)23 8052 4004 | www.garmin.co.uk
> Registered office: Liberty House, Hounsdown Business Park, Southampton,
> SO40 9RB, UK. Registration no. 2724437 VAT Reg. No. GB568 6978 58
>
>
>
> Original Message Follows:
> ------------------------
> This is MADNESS!
>
> Why I didn't get Unlock code or coupon number or other shit.
>
> Originally I've registered with satori@iinet.net.au email address.
>
> When I want to change it, the silly system asking me for details of USA
> citizen like state name and other stuff
> (Madness!)
>
> When I want retrieve original upon Code, they are asking me for email
> and I can't receive email on OLD address!
>
>
> When using Unlock Wizard, he is asking me for a upon Code which I don't
> have.
>
> On sent to me CD is a number - s/n UB 17708918 which doesn't work.
>
> Of course I have all ready installed maps from new CD on my PC, Garmin
> C-320 is connected to PC and properly recognized.
>
> All I need is codes!
>
> Help!
>
>
> TIA
>
>
>
>
>
>
> webpurchase@garmin.com wrote:
> Dear Henry Kubik,
>
> Thank you for contacting Garmin(Europe)Ltd.
> Ok the disk has been ordered regarding the mapping up date we only can
> release new mapping update once we have them from the mapping company.
> so that why we only release it once a year.
>
> Kind regards
> Graeme Ball Garmin (Europe) Ltd
> ____________________
____________________
____________________
__
> Liberty House | Hounsdown Business Park | Southampton | SO40 9RB | UK
> T: 08082380000 | F: +44 (0)23 8052 4004 | www.garmin.co.uk
> Registered office: Liberty House, Hounsdown Business Park, Southampton,
> SO40 9RB, UK. Registration no. 2724437 VAT Reg. No. GB568 6978 58
>
> Original Message Follows: ------------------------
> Ok can I have your,
>
> Name: ------------------
> Address: -------------------------
> Phone Number: ------------------------
> GPS Unit: C320
> And I can arrange for a new disk to be sent to you.
>
>
> Thank you...
>
> Did you considered that many taxi drivers or couriers or truckies would
> not mind to update maps every months and pay for current updates?
>
> It's that important to us.
>
> not_bad
>
> Cheers...
>
>
>
> webpurchase@garmin.com wrote:
> Dear not_bad,
>
> Thank you for contacting Garmin(Europe)Ltd.
> Ok can I have your,
> Name: not_bad
> Address: 15 Kinghorn Place, Redcliffe 6104
> Phone Number: 08-9475-0006
> GPS Unit: C320
> And I can arrange for a new disk to be sent to you.
>
> Kind regards
> Graeme Ball Garmin (Europe) Ltd
> ____________________
____________________
____________________
__
> Liberty House | Hounsdown Business Park | Southampton | SO40 9RB | UK
> T: 08082380000 | F: +44 (0)23 8052 4004 | www.garmin.co.uk
> Registered office: Liberty House, Hounsdown Business Park, Southampton,
> SO40 9RB, UK. Registration no. 2724437 VAT Reg. No. GB568 6978 58
>
> Original Message Follows: ------------------------
>
>
>
>
> Sorry for the late reply do you still require assistance? If so please
> feel free to email me or contact us on +448082380000 and we can arrange
> for a new update disk to be sent to you.
>
>
> Just did. Send that bloody update!!!! Will ya? Or should I send another
> confirmation!?
>
> FAQ: How many months I will have to wait to receive the disk?
>
> :-O
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind regards
> Graeme Ball Garmin (Europe) Ltd
> ____________________
____________________
____________________
__
> Liberty House | Hounsdown Business Park | Southampton | SO40 9RB | UK
> T: 08082380000 | F: +44 (0)23 8052 4004 | www.garmin.co.uk
> Registered office: Liberty House, Hounsdown Business Park, Southampton,
> SO40 9RB, UK. Registration no. 2724437 VAT Reg. No. GB568 6978 58
>
> Original Message Follows: ------------------------
> When I will reiceve that disk??? Its 8 months now!
> HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!
> websales@garmin.com wrote:
> Thank you, not_bad, for completing GARMIN's MapSource update Disk
> order process!
>
> Your order ID is: 62842355
>
> Your Disk should arrive within 7 - 10 business days via First Class Mail
> as soon as it is available and ships.
>
> Information about the Disk you ordered:
> MapSource Product: City Navigator Australia v7 Deluxe
> Version #: 7.00
> Release Date: 6/12/2006
>
> After your Disk arrives, come back to http://www.garmin.com/unlock/ to
> get an unlock code for the updated data.
>
> If you would like to order more updates, please go to
http://shop.garmin.com/cartography/...>
code.asp?L=EN
> to make the order.
>
> If you encounter any difficulties, please contact our customer service
> group using one of the following methods:
>
> Webform:
http://shop.garmin.com/cartography/...upport.asp?L=EN
> This is the preferred method to contact us about any problem you might
> be having with MapSource Unlock.
> Using this form gives us all the information we need to assist you.
> E-mail: You may also send an e-mail to unlock@garmin.com
> Phone: Please call 1-800-800-1020. Our customer service agents are
> available to assist you M-F, 8-5 Central Time.
>
>
>
> -------------------------
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>
| |
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| not_bad wrote:
> N E V E R B U Y G A R M I N !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> ====================
====================
===============
>
> I bought StreetPilot c320, Australia with maps number 6 for Australia.
>
> Maps City Navigator Australia 7 i should get for free. So immediately
> after purchasing I've filled for free maps update.
>
> Waited 8 months for CD with updates and received without unlocking codes.
>
> When exchanged several emails because one moron was insisting on using
> old codes not realizing, that I need new codes for unlocking, finally
> they gave me a magic solution!
>
> Buy new set of maps (Number 8) because we can't give you codes for maps
> number 7. It will cost you $360 for update on obsolete now GPS, not in
> production line any more.
>
snip
I'm with you.
Had a similar problem.
Bought a Garmin at an estate sale. Had maps and keys.
Unfortunately, I needed some other key that was stored on the garmin
server. All I needed was the password to the account.
OK, when I get to heaven, I'll be sure to ask the dead guy for his
password...
but wait...there won't be anybody from garmin there to help me.
Buy new maps? Right...I'll get right on that. GRRRRR!!!!
mike
| |
| Uncle Ben 2007-10-01, 12:33 pm |
|
"mike" <spamme9@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:kd7Mi.979$P06.399@trnddc05...
> snip
>
> I'm with you.
> Had a similar problem.
> Bought a Garmin at an estate sale. Had maps and keys.
> Unfortunately, I needed some other key that was stored on the garmin
> server. All I needed was the password to the account.
>
> OK, when I get to heaven, I'll be sure to ask the dead guy for his
> password...
> but wait...there won't be anybody from garmin there to help me.
>
> Buy new maps? Right...I'll get right on that. GRRRRR!!!!
> mike
Are all manufacturers that bad? What about TomTom - has anyone had any
trouble getting maps updated from them?
| |
|
|
| Bob Gardner 2007-10-01, 10:33 pm |
| I've had nothing but good service from Garmin...their tech service people
bend over backward to help. I've had three...one handheld, two portable
automotive. I call 1-800-800-1020 and always get through. Sad to think that
folks from outside the US are getting a bad deal.
Bob Gardner
"mike" <spamme9@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:kd7Mi.979$P06.399@trnddc05...
> not_bad wrote:
> snip
>
> I'm with you.
> Had a similar problem.
> Bought a Garmin at an estate sale. Had maps and keys.
> Unfortunately, I needed some other key that was stored on the garmin
> server. All I needed was the password to the account.
>
> OK, when I get to heaven, I'll be sure to ask the dead guy for his
> password...
> but wait...there won't be anybody from garmin there to help me.
>
> Buy new maps? Right...I'll get right on that. GRRRRR!!!!
> mike
| |
| Bert Hyman 2007-10-01, 10:33 pm |
| In news:kd7Mi.979$P06.399@trnddc05 mike <spamme9@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm with you.
> Had a similar problem.
> Bought a Garmin at an estate sale. Had maps and keys.
> Unfortunately, I needed some other key that was stored on the garmin
> server. All I needed was the password to the account.
>
> OK, when I get to heaven, I'll be sure to ask the dead guy for his
> password...
> but wait...there won't be anybody from garmin there to help me.
Well, your problem is that you didn't buy a GPS "from Garmin".
If you do, you won't have any of the problems you described.
--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com
| |
| Colin Wilson 2007-10-01, 10:33 pm |
| > Sad to think that folks from outside the US are getting a bad deal.
I was that pissed off with them I bought http://www.garminsuck.com
- non-US customers have always been shafted by Garmin it seems.
| |
| John Tserkezis 2007-10-01, 10:33 pm |
| Bert Hyman wrote:
> Well, your problem is that you didn't buy a GPS "from Garmin".
> If you do, you won't have any of the problems you described.
Non-transferable software licences have been around for a while. They serve
only one purpose, making more money.
Buyer beware when it comes to things like this. Beware that, for when you
buy a software from company XYZ, you had BETTER make sure you're going to get
your monies worth for the time you have it, because you're NOT going to get
any of that "investment" back when you sell.
If that's ok with you, so so be it, if it's not, then don't buy into it.
--
Linux Registered User # 302622
<http://counter.li.org>
| |
| not_bad 2007-10-01, 10:33 pm |
| S R wrote:
> Waited 8 months for CD?
>
>
Since January 2007. Details in my original post.
When I've received a CD, no unlocking codes were supplied.
Still have that CD and they simply do refuse to give me unlocking codes!
What kind of lunacy is that?
Sending CD without codes?
What the purpose of it?
What logic is there?
What logic is to propose a free update which you have no intention to honor?
I wrote here several months ago about my problems with Garmin.
Now I will try to get hacked maps or... simply buy Tom Tom GPS instead
of update maps to my unit.
I would not trust them anyway because knowing how slimy bastards they
are, even paying for new set of maps would be a serious risk.
You are not dealing with honest and trust worthy people.
That's the bottom line.
| |
| not_bad 2007-10-01, 10:33 pm |
| Colin Wilson wrote:
>
> I was that pissed off with them I bought http://www.garminsuck.com
>
> - non-US customers have always been shafted by Garmin it seems.
If you want, you could use my email on your web site as another horror
story.
| |
| Jim Townsend 2007-10-02, 4:33 am |
| not_bad wrote:
> S R wrote:
>
>
> Since January 2007. Details in my original post.
>
> When I've received a CD, no unlocking codes were supplied.
>
> Still have that CD and they simply do refuse to give me unlocking codes!
Doesn't Garmin have an online facility for unlocking their software/maps?
I recall seeing something on this in the past.
| |
| Robert Elsinga =8-) 2007-10-02, 4:33 am |
| On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 10:22:36 +0800, not_bad <jures@hotmail.com> wrote:
>S R wrote:
[color=darkred]
>Since January 2007. Details in my original post.
>
>When I've received a CD, no unlocking codes were supplied.
That is correct. You then need to go to your My Garmin account and
create an upgrade code yourself.
>Still have that CD and they simply do refuse to give me unlocking codes!
>
>
>What kind of lunacy is that?
>
>Sending CD without codes?
>
>What the purpose of it?
>
>What logic is there?
You use your original code to register and than you can get the
upgrade for free.
So, did you follow the correct procedure?
Robert Elsinga =8-)
www.elsinga.net
| |
|
| Bert Hyman wrote:
> In news:kd7Mi.979$P06.399@trnddc05 mike <spamme9@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Well, your problem is that you didn't buy a GPS "from Garmin".
>
> If you do, you won't have any of the problems you described.
>
That's a great strategy if you're made of money.
For the rest of us, good-enough technology used at 1/10th the price
is the norm. The RESALE value of a technology item is a significant
factor in the purchase decision. We buy it from YOU.
GPS stuff is WAY overpriced. And the maps issue
makes it useless used. When you have the original CD and the
license/unlock codes, you'd expect to be able to use the software.
I'm not talking about upgrades. I'm talking NON FUNCTIONALITY
of the original software...in this case, maps.
And when you find that out AFTER you bought
it and can't use it, it just makes you pissed enough to go elsewhere
next time.
Maybe I just got lucky, but the Magellan GPS came with a map CD that
actually works. Just stick it in the computer and IT WORKS!!!
No hassle, no phone calls, no online accounts, no "buy new maps",
IT JUST WORKS!!! Who am I kidding, they probably fixed that "problem"
on the new stuff.
mike
--
Return address is VALID!
| |
|
| Colin Wilson wrote:
>
> I was that pissed off with them I bought http://www.garminsuck.com
>
> - non-US customers have always been shafted by Garmin it seems.
I think there's a flaw in the reasoning on your webpage.
My problem was with a gps18. The maps were locked to the serial number
of the gps18. Wrong gps18 serial number, no maps. Unlikely that the
maps that come with the gps18 can be used on other systems.
I think you're even more screwed than you think.
mike
--
Return address is VALID!
| |
| John Tserkezis 2007-10-02, 7:33 am |
| mike wrote:
> Maybe I just got lucky, but the Magellan GPS came with a map CD that
> actually works. Just stick it in the computer and IT WORKS!!!
> No hassle, no phone calls, no online accounts, no "buy new maps",
> IT JUST WORKS!!! Who am I kidding, they probably fixed that "problem"
> on the new stuff.
My view is that you do your homework first.
From general reading on the net, Garmin users LOVE the hardware, and are
continually whining about the Garmin licence arrangement.
Magellan users are somewhat less enthusiastic about the hardware (or perhaps
they're just not zealots - it's hard to tell), and virtually no comments for
their map licensing, except for one guy who whined about Magellan changing
their licence allowance from TWO different receivers, to one.
I hear a fair bit of whining from the likes of TomTom (and likely from the
other similars) how they can't cross-grade their maps for one unit, to another
unit.
Do your homework people. These things have been around for long enough now
for there to be LOTS of talk about how things are licensed.
All you need is an internet connection to learn. Ironically, all the
whining comes through the internet in the first place.
Buy first, complain later?
--
Linux Registered User # 302622
<http://counter.li.org>
| |
|
| John Tserkezis wrote:
> mike wrote:
>
>
> My view is that you do your homework first.
>
> From general reading on the net, Garmin users LOVE the hardware, and
> are continually whining about the Garmin licence arrangement.
>
> Magellan users are somewhat less enthusiastic about the hardware (or
> perhaps they're just not zealots - it's hard to tell), and virtually no
> comments for their map licensing, except for one guy who whined about
> Magellan changing their licence allowance from TWO different receivers,
> to one.
>
> I hear a fair bit of whining from the likes of TomTom (and likely from
> the other similars) how they can't cross-grade their maps for one unit,
> to another unit.
>
>
>
> Do your homework people. These things have been around for long enough
> now for there to be LOTS of talk about how things are licensed.
>
> All you need is an internet connection to learn. Ironically, all the
> whining comes through the internet in the first place.
>
> Buy first, complain later?
>
Great in theory, if you're made of money.
If you trip over a $10 GPS unit at a garage sale or swapmeet, there
ain't gonna be no researching. If I buy a software or driver or map
disk and it comes with a license code, I EXPECT THE DAMN THING TO LOAD
AND RUN...PERIOD!!!
And in anticipation of your next comment...assuming you're missing the
whole point of this tirade...
Yes, I'm only out $10...great...if you're made of money.
For me...not so great.
--
Return address is VALID!
| |
| Bert Hyman 2007-10-02, 10:33 am |
| jt@techniciansyndrom
e.org.invalid (John Tserkezis) wrote in
news:4701a8f5$0$844$
afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au:
> Bert Hyman wrote:
>
>
> Non-transferable software licences have been around for a while.
> They serve only one purpose, making more money.
>
If I read the original post correctly, the "license" was transferred,
but a password to a Web site was not.
And, what's wrong with making more money?
--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | bert@iphouse.com
| |
| John Tserkezis 2007-10-02, 10:33 am |
| Bert Hyman wrote:
> If I read the original post correctly, the "license" was transferred,
> but a password to a Web site was not.
I was speaking in more generic terms regarding the previous poster who said
the Original Poster didn't buy directly from Garmin. There wouldn't have been
problems with transferring upgrades from numbers that no longer exist.
> And, what's wrong with making more money?
Nothing. It's the techniques used that customers object to. If you get too
restrictive with your licences, people will shy away from it.
We're talking about a basically domestic market here, not a professional
high-budget hardware/software solution that's designed as a tool that's going
to make the end-user a bucket load of money.
Let's put things into perspective: They're toys for Joe Average.
Heck, even in the professional side of the market there are limits to what
you can get away with before people jump ship. Use Google and look for Intuit.
--
Linux Registered User # 302622
<http://counter.li.org>
| |
| Bert Hyman 2007-10-02, 10:33 am |
| jt@techniciansyndrom
e.org.invalid (John Tserkezis) wrote in
news:470253da$0$6690
$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au:
> Heck, even in the professional side of the market there are
> limits to what you can get away with before people jump ship. Use
> Google and look for Intuit.
If I read the history correctly, most of the hoops Garmin makes its
users go through are imposed to satisfy the requirements of the
suppliers of the map data.
All this may be moot. Nokia just bought Navteq and TomTom is buying
TeleAtlas, so Garmin might have to find another supplier of maps just
to have something to sell.
--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | bert@iphouse.com
| |
| John Tserkezis 2007-10-02, 10:33 am |
| mike wrote:
> Great in theory, if you're made of money.
> If you trip over a $10 GPS unit at a garage sale or swapmeet, there
> ain't gonna be no researching. If I buy a software or driver or map
> disk and it comes with a license code, I EXPECT THE DAMN THING TO LOAD
> AND RUN...PERIOD!!!
Well, if it doesn't, think of this way, you've only burned $10, not several
hundred.
> And in anticipation of your next comment...assuming you're missing the
> whole point of this tirade...
Yes, that whooshing noise means it went straight over my head.
> Yes, I'm only out $10...great...if you're made of money.
> For me...not so great.
Wait a second.
If $10 is an imposition for you, how can you not rightly whine about the
couple of hundred dollar software attached to it?
For that matter, if $10 is an imposition, how did you manage to spend money
on a computer, a full-time Internet connection, AND have time left over to
whine about it?
--
Linux Registered User # 302622
<http://counter.li.org>
| |
|
| John Tserkezis wrote:
> mike wrote:
>
>
>
> Well, if it doesn't, think of this way, you've only burned $10, not
> several hundred.
>
>
> Yes, that whooshing noise means it went straight over my head.
>
>
> Wait a second.
>
> If $10 is an imposition for you, how can you not rightly whine about
> the couple of hundred dollar software attached to it?
>
> For that matter, if $10 is an imposition, how did you manage to spend
> money on a computer,
I buy computers at garage sales for a buck.
a full-time Internet connection,
I have to admit that the $15/month is very annoying.
AND have time left
> over
retired
to whine about it?
The whining is strictly for those of you who have so much money that
you can spend big bux on obsolete technology with no resale value. It's
absolutely no fun if you have to pay retail.
But a bigger pet peeve is people who advertise GPS stuff "with warranty"
at 90% of retail and maps that are not transferrable. Fool me once....
>
--
Return address is VALID!
| |
| Colin Wilson 2007-10-02, 10:33 pm |
| > I think there's a flaw in the reasoning on your webpage.
> My problem was with a gps18. The maps were locked to the serial number=
=20
> of the gps18. Wrong gps18 serial number, no maps. Unlikely that the=20
> maps that come with the gps18 can be used on other systems.
> I think you're even more screwed than you think.
No, the stupid thing is, the GPS18 came with the *same* maps *and* a=20
"free unlock" I was able to use on my 2620, whereas the software on=20
their own *without* hardware cost =A350 more (~$100)
| |
|
| Colin Wilson wrote:
>
> No, the stupid thing is, the GPS18 came with the *same* maps *and* a
> "free unlock" I was able to use on my 2620, whereas the software on
> their own *without* hardware cost £50 more (~$100)
That didn't work for me, but maybe it was because it was already
unlocked and keyed to a different serial number.
--
Return address is VALID!
| |
| John Tserkezis 2007-10-02, 10:33 pm |
| Bert Hyman wrote:
> If I read the history correctly, most of the hoops Garmin makes its
> users go through are imposed to satisfy the requirements of the
> suppliers of the map data.
Ah yes, forgot about that. At the end of day, it's STILL the end-user who
has to live with it, and their choice to go with someone else. (though asking
the end user to carry two boxes so they can choose a number of different
cartography suppliers is a bit much).
> All this may be moot. Nokia just bought Navteq and TomTom is buying
> TeleAtlas, so Garmin might have to find another supplier of maps just
> to have something to sell.
Would certainly be interesting to see how things change there, though being
the pessimist that I am, I'm guessing it isn't going to change much, and in
fact *might* get worse (depending how other things go).
Mobile manufacturers have run out of options as far as a regular income goes
when they sell phones, so they're looking at services. Maps is one area where
they can look at a regular income stream using intellectual property.
They're buying them NOT to sell off bundled with their phones, but to store
on their servers and give off as chunks when you "navigate" on your phone.
Plus communications charges of course.
As far as the typical GPS receiver goes, I'm guessing they'll re-evaluate
licence costs there.
--
Linux Registered User # 302622
<http://counter.li.org>
| |
| John Tserkezis 2007-10-02, 10:33 pm |
| mike wrote:
> But a bigger pet peeve is people who advertise GPS stuff "with warranty"
> at 90% of retail and maps that are not transferrable. Fool me once....
Magellan's maps are transferrable. In fact, one installation of the CD will
give you access to TWO receivers (then you need another machine, or uninstall
the old, clean up the registry and start again).
Thought this may have changed to one machine in more recent times from what
I read.
Still not a tightly regulated one-end-user-only-per-purchase-of-data use
that Garmin regulates.
--
Linux Registered User # 302622
<http://counter.li.org>
| |
|
| mike wrote:
> Bert Hyman wrote:
> That's a great strategy if you're made of money.
>
> For the rest of us, good-enough technology used at 1/10th the price
> is the norm. The RESALE value of a technology item is a significant
> factor in the purchase decision. We buy it from YOU.
So you're complaint is that you should get full service, when you bought
at 1/10th price?
>
> GPS stuff is WAY overpriced.
And you're basing this on what? If it costs too much, don't buy into it.
> And the maps issue
> makes it useless used. When you have the original CD and the
> license/unlock codes, you'd expect to be able to use the software.
Why would you guess that? This is simply you not doing your homework.
> I'm not talking about upgrades. I'm talking NON FUNCTIONALITY
> of the original software...in this case, maps.
>
> And when you find that out AFTER you bought
> it and can't use it, it just makes you pissed enough to go elsewhere
> next time.
Pissed at who? I'd really like to hear THAT explanation. . You keep
saying YOU, , ,stop projecting, it's only yourself that thinks like that.
>
> Maybe I just got lucky, but the Magellan GPS came with a map CD that
> actually works. Just stick it in the computer and IT WORKS!!!
> No hassle, no phone calls, no online accounts, no "buy new maps",
> IT JUST WORKS!!! Who am I kidding, they probably fixed that "problem"
> on the new stuff.
> mike
>
This is a real simple issue: You did no research, and paid for something
that was not functional, didn't know it, and now want someone to blame.
The best part is, that you're NOT EVEN A GARMIN CUSTOMER, YOU NEVER
BOUGHT ANYTHING FROM THEM OR THEIR RESELLERS, and you expect them to
CARE about your opinion of them. This sounds like one huge joke. why
don't you just tell it like it is, in plain english, and see how it sounds:
I'm too cheap to buy anything from you, because for no real reason, I
decided GPS equipment is overpriced. I got something real cheap, and
since I was so greedy and could only see the dollars I was saving, and
nothing else, I didn't know it wouldn't be functional. Now, since you
won't give me a bunch of fairly expensive software for free so I can use
this thing, I'm whining to everyone I know, to try and get THEM to not
buy from your company, just like I never intended to in the first place.
You may not have lost a customer, since gps stuff is overpriced and I'd
never buy it new anyways, but I'm trying to convince other people that
they shouldn't do so either. BTW, I'd probably stop if you sent me a
brand new, fully functional unit, because that's all I'm really after:
something for nothing. .
Grow up for Christ's sake. .
| |
|
|
>
> My view is that you do your homework first.
>
That's all there is to it. If you don't have the time to do a little
research, then expect the possibility of getting screwed out of whatever
you spend. The problem is that some people can't see past the money they
save. Greed, , it's a terrible thing to waste money on. .
| |
|
|
> Great in theory, if you're made of money.
What, is your brain coin-operated? You feel you need to be made of money
to use a little grey matter?
>
> If you trip over a $10 GPS unit at a garage sale or swapmeet, there
> ain't gonna be no researching. If I buy a software or driver or map
> disk and it comes with a license code, I EXPECT THE DAMN THING TO LOAD
> AND RUN...PERIOD!!!
Then you're an idiot for thinking there is no risk of a $10 gps NOT
working.
>
> And in anticipation of your next comment...assuming you're missing the
> whole point of this tirade...
> Yes, I'm only out $10...great...if you're made of money.
> For me...not so great.
Maybe this whole gps thing is beyond your means, or perhaps you don't
have the required faculties needed to do a little research. This is
about the biggest joke I've read in my entire life. Perhaps you expect
everything to be handed to you. If you really want a gps, and can't
afford a new, modern one, , then perhaps you should take that money and
invest it in your education or do something to advance yourself in life
so you can earn a little more and not have to be bitter at those "that
are made of money", which seems to be anyone that has a hundred dollars
or so left over at the end of the month, , which pretty much means
anyone with a 40 hour a week, minimum wage job or better.
| |
|
| mike wrote:
> John Tserkezis wrote:
> I buy computers at garage sales for a buck.
> a full-time Internet connection,
> I have to admit that the $15/month is very annoying.
> AND have time left
[color=darkred]
> retired
> to whine about it?
> The whining is strictly for those of you who have so much money that
> you can spend big bux on obsolete technology with no resale value. It's
> absolutely no fun if you have to pay retail.
>
> But a bigger pet peeve is people who advertise GPS stuff "with warranty"
> at 90% of retail and maps that are not transferrable. Fool me once....
The truth comes to light: You're a bitter old scrooge that is so tight
he squeeks, and expects to get the world for free. You're bitter at
anyone that has more money than you, and it pisses you off because you
believe WE are driving the price up. Retired, yet still needs to grow
up. sad sad sad. .
| |
| Colin Wilson 2007-10-03, 4:33 am |
| > That didn't work for me, but maybe it was because it was already
> unlocked and keyed to a different serial number.
The GPS18 comes with two unlocks anyway - one tied to the GPS18
itself, and a "spare" one for another device.
At least... that's how it was before they changed their map policy !
| |
|
| Colin Wilson wrote:
>
> The GPS18 comes with two unlocks anyway - one tied to the GPS18
> itself, and a "spare" one for another device.
Yep, all I had to do was contct the dead guy, get his garmin
login/password and I'd have been good to go.
>
> At least... that's how it was before they changed their map policy !
--
Return address is VALID!
| |
| Uncle Ben 2007-10-03, 10:33 pm |
| "mike" <spamme9@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:vtUMi.827$0I5.383@trnddc08...
SNIP
> Yep, all I had to do was contct the dead guy, get his garmin
> login/password and I'd have been good to go.
>
>
> --
> Return address is VALID!
Well, according to some, communicating with dead people is not that
difficult. Humm ... where's Jennifer when we need her!
| |
| not_bad 2007-10-03, 10:33 pm |
| Robert Elsinga =8-) wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 10:22:36 +0800, not_bad <jures@hotmail.com> wrote:
> So, did you follow the correct procedure?
>
> Robert Elsinga =8-)
> www.elsinga.net
You must be a Garmin rep!
And you didn't read entire post!
I did all of it in a proper way.
The system can't take unlocking codes on my accounts, because unlocking
codes were not supplied to me with maps.
I have received a CD SN 17708918 and I didn't received unlocking codes!
Which part you don't understand?
I know I'm a wog and my English is not as grammatic as yours but even
with my poor grammar I understand much more that you can comprehend!
Sight...
| |
| not_bad 2007-10-03, 10:33 pm |
| Jim Townsend wrote:
> not_bad wrote:
>
>
> Doesn't Garmin have an online facility for unlocking their software/maps?
>
> I recall seeing something on this in the past.
>
>
yep... it has. But if you don't have unlockig codes, you can't unlock
you maps!
:(
That's the problem.
Moron sent me a CD withouth codes.
| |
| not_bad 2007-10-04, 4:33 am |
| I think I'll get Mio C520 instead upgrading maps witg bloody Garmin.
"This one is going to give Garmin a run for their money. I was impressed
from the moment I took the unit out of the box - this GPS receiver looks
great and feels great. It offers high-end features at a very reasonable
price point."
Run away from Garmin cheaters
not_bad wrote:[color=darkred
]
> N E V E R B U Y G A R M I N !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> ====================
====================
===============
>
> I bought StreetPilot c320, Australia with maps number 6 for Australia.
>
> Maps City Navigator Australia 7 i should get for free. So immediately
> after purchasing I've filled for free maps update.
>
> Waited 8 months for CD with updates and received without unlocking codes.
>
> When exchanged several emails because one moron was insisting on using
> old codes not realizing, that I need new codes for unlocking, finally
> they gave me a magic solution!
>
> Buy new set of maps (Number 8) because we can't give you codes for maps
> number 7. It will cost you $360 for update on obsolete now GPS, not in
> production line any more.
>
> Below I'm supplying a full copies of all emails as a prove and even my
> registration account password and codes for maps number 6.
>
> I really don't give a shit what they think of me anymore.
>
> You have been warned!
> ------------------------------
>
>
> N E V E R B U Y G A R M I N !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> ====================
====================
===============
>
>
>
> unlock@garmin.com wrote:
> http://shop.garmin.com/cartography/...>
code.asp?L=EN
>
> http://shop.garmin.com/cartography/...upport.asp?L=EN
| |
| Robert Elsinga =8-) 2007-10-04, 4:33 am |
| On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 09:59:20 +0800, not_bad <jures@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Robert Elsinga =8-) wrote:
>
>
>
>You must be a Garmin rep!
No. =8-)
>And you didn't read entire post!
>
>I did all of it in a proper way.
>
>The system can't take unlocking codes on my accounts, because unlocking
>codes were not supplied to me with maps.
>
>I have received a CD SN 17708918 and I didn't received unlocking codes!
>
>Which part you don't understand?
The part you didn't wrote where you needed to retrieve the unlock code
yourself. That is how Garmin works.
So, log into your MyGarmin account and get the code. If you have any
difficulties, mail cartography@garmin.com and they will help you out.
Even if you don;t have your original coupon code slip or have any
other troubles getting in.
Been there, done that.
Robert Elsinga =8-)
www.elsinga.net
| |
|
| I own 2 garmin car GPSs, 3 garmin marine GPSs, 2 portables and I use
aviation aviation GPS (all US) I have never had an issue like this
with Garmin.
not_bad wrote:[color=darkred
]
> I think I'll get Mio C520 instead upgrading maps witg bloody Garmin.
>
> "This one is going to give Garmin a run for their money. I was impressed
> from the moment I took the unit out of the box - this GPS receiver looks
> great and feels great. It offers high-end features at a very reasonable
> price point."
>
>
>
> Run away from Garmin cheaters
>
>
>
>
>
> not_bad wrote:
>
| |
| not_bad 2007-10-06, 4:33 am |
| Robert Elsinga =8-) wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 09:59:20 +0800, not_bad <jures@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> The part you didn't wrote where you needed to retrieve the unlock code
> yourself. That is how Garmin works.
Yep, but Garmin won't give me these codes!
> So, log into your MyGarmin account and get the code. If you have any
> difficulties, mail cartography@garmin.com and they will help you out.
I'm sick of writing about it! You didn't read my post!
> Even if you don;t have your original coupon code slip or have any
> other troubles getting in.
They simply refuced to give me codes for map set 7 and they want give me
set map 8 for over $360.00
They don't want honor they 'free' set map 7. They cheated me for 8
months and now they are saying:
> Thank you for contacting Garmin(Europe)Ltd.
> I have logged into your account (changed password to garmin) and gone
> through all the instructions I have sent you. it looks like you are
> trying to unlock V7 and it wont let you because 2008 is available. What
> I would suggest would be to update to 2008, as this is your only option
> - cannot unlock a previous mapping product when and new version is
> available.
Kapisz this time?
Read first, than answer.
You evidently didn't read my original email, eager to clear intention of
Garmin cheaters.
Read first the whole original post if you want to elaborate on the subject.
Aswering without reading is silly.
| |
| Robert Elsinga =8-) 2007-10-06, 4:33 am |
| On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 13:21:19 +0800, not_bad <jures@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>I'm sick of writing about it! You didn't read my post!
Oh yes I did...
[color=darkred]
>They simply refuced to give me codes for map set 7 and they want give me
>set map 8 for over $360.00
>
>They don't want honor they 'free' set map 7. They cheated me for 8
>months and now they are saying:
>
>Kapisz this time?
This makes your case much more clear. I must have missed this point in
your original post.
Now to see if I understand it correctly:
- you have a GPS with v6 maps
- you didn't register the GPS with Garmin to get a free update to v7
- you waited long enough for v8 (now known as v2008) to get available,
which would normally entitle you to get v2008 for free
This actually is sort of a trick, since you (and many others,
including me) are making Garmin believe we bought our GPS much later
than we actually did, just to get one free map update. Normally this
would cost us US$ 75,- or so.
Now comes the bad part... Garmin knows about this trick and with v2008
they stopped the free update thing. And, any available map product
version removes all previous version from availability.
This is where your case went downhill...
There are however a few thing I do not understand:
- http://www8.garmin.com/cartography/.../citynavAUS.jsp lists
the City Navigator Australia maps a version 7, with no announcement of
v2008, let alone availability
- in the US and Europe an update costs around US$ 75,-. This is around
AUS$ 72,-.
Questions:
- is v2008 actually available? Since I'm in Europe, I simply don't
know (if it's not on Garmin's website). You now need a serial number
to see what maps are to be updated. =8-(
- Where did you get a price of AUS$ 360,-? It looks like you were
quoted the price for a new City Navigator product.
Two thoughts come to my mind:
- could the Garmin representative have given you wrong info by
accident? How about giving it another try to find out? I suggest
giving the fact only, leaving the emotion out of it... that gives you
the best chance of getting a positive answer. Hey, I am more than
willing to do this for you (but I would need some details of your
MyGarmin account for that, which should not go into the newsgroup).
- v6 maps are quite old, in Australia they have evolved quite much
since that. I find 75,- not a hefty sum of money to get the most
recent maps. 360,- I find much more unacceptable. You could log into
your MyGarmin account and start ordering the update to v2008 and see
what it actually costs. Not until the last step you need to enter
payment details, so you can cancel it before that.
>You evidently didn't read my original email, eager to clear intention of
>Garmin cheaters.
That is *your* assumption. Bashing users who want to help you is not
in your own interrest...
Robert Elsinga =8-)
www.elsinga.net
| |
| not_bad 2007-10-06, 10:33 pm |
| Robert Elsinga
BTW. What possible reason Garmin does have to refuse me a codes for all
ready obsolete maps?
My c320 cost me the same price as a an average notebook and I found not
support for it at all!
You are annoying!
You definitely didn't read my original post!
Because all my details are in there, including my codes. Dates are also
there.
You simply trying to put the whole blame on me, suggesting that I was
trying to cheat on Garmin!
I did all by the book.
I have filled reg to unlock Maps 6.
I have ordered in first two week 'free' upgrade offer to maps number 7.
I was waiting 8 months for a CD.
I was posting here that I could not even find an email to Garmin on
their web page complaining, that I didn't get yet a CD.
When I finally got it, they refuse to give me unlocking code for maps
number 7. I got CD here on my table.
> This makes your case much more clear. I must have missed this point in
> your original post.
>
> Now to see if I understand it correctly:
> - you have a GPS with v6 maps
> - you didn't register the GPS with Garmin to get a free update to v7
> - you waited long enough for v8 (now known as v2008) to get available,
> which would normally entitle you to get v2008 for free
>
> This actually is sort of a trick, since you (and many others,
> including me) are making Garmin believe we bought our GPS much later
> than we actually did, just to get one free map update. Normally this
> would cost us US$ 75,- or so.
FWIW
I didn't even tried to get Maps number 8! I never had an idea that I
could cheat.
Shit... why I'm still writing to you.
Go away... the way you are talking is nearly identical like that guy
from Garmin, Graeme Ball, I was sending so many emails to finally get
the 'good news' about no other option, than buying maps for US $360.00
On top of good news from Garmin, they have changed my password on my
account so they XXXXed me for good.
And I needed maps number 7 for a while and I was going to buy newer
model with maps number 8.
Current maps are very important to me, because the city I live is
growing so fast (from 750,000 in 1999 to over 2 mln this year) that not
having current maps I cant drive in new suburbs.
ahhh... enough... I don't think you understand all of it anyway.
I just wrote it because some users can get an impression, (And you
suggested it!) that I was trying to cheat Garmin.
I didn't.
Just read the whole story.
My only fault was, I was not immediately on the phone annoying Garmin
pawns and pushing strong to get that promised 'free' update.
Didn't expect to get to this kind of lunacy and dealing with such
unscrupulous idiots.
Go away... since you are accusing me of cheating...
It's you, Graham Ball?
I will not respond to you anymore.
Not worth an aggrivation.
| |
| Robert Elsinga =8-) 2007-10-07, 4:33 am |
| On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 11:13:53 +0800, not_bad <jures@hotmail.com> wrote:
>BTW. What possible reason Garmin does have to refuse me a codes for all
>ready obsolete maps?
I don;t know. Ask Garmin.
>My c320 cost me the same price as a an average notebook and I found not
>support for it at all!
That is a pity.
>You are annoying!
If you do not want someone to help you, fine. And if you have the same
attitude towards Garmin, I am not surprised they don't go beyond what
they should do... which is what they normally do (been there, done
that).
Bye!
Robert Elsinga =8-)
www.elsinga.net
| |
| Ernst Sauer 2007-10-07, 7:33 am |
| I read these postings. Also I could not understand every detail (because of my
imperfect English), I can't understand why Garmin is not able to call the guy
and offer him an acceptable solution.
It is a very bad signal from Garmin.
And I can't understand why you advocate Garmin.
I thought about buying a new GPS from Garmin (the new Vista HCx),
but at the time being I will not.
Garmin products are very expensive. I have a PDA for about 400 EUR,
it has a phone, a radio, windows mobile, good programs, GPS, and a navigation
system which is excellent for me.
Of course Garmin devices have advantages, but the prices are high,
and for that, Garmin is in duty to be fair to the customers.
With greetings,
Ernst Sauer
"Robert Elsinga =8-)" < use_robert_at_elsing
a. org_as_reply_address
@gmx.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:73tgg3den09ocio
gjpq8i95p349t6m4gjf@
4ax.com...
> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 11:13:53 +0800, not_bad <jures@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I don;t know. Ask Garmin.
>
>
> That is a pity.
>
>
> If you do not want someone to help you, fine. And if you have the same
> attitude towards Garmin, I am not surprised they don't go beyond what
> they should do... which is what they normally do (been there, done
> that).
>
> Bye!
>
> Robert Elsinga =8-)
> www.elsinga.net
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| fletchb@gmail.com 2007-10-07, 10:33 pm |
| On Oct 1, 8:14 pm, Colin Wilson
< REMOVEEVERYTHINGBUTn
ewsgr...@phoenixbbsZEROSPAM.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I was that pissed off with them I boughthttp://www.garminsuck.com
>
> - non-US customers have always been shafted by Garmin it seems.
Well I am in the US and after reading his email I am pretty sure they
are going to try and pull the same crap on me. I have City Select NA
V7 that will not activate and so far it looks like they are going to
try and charge me Again for something I already paid for. I won't
comment further as it is still ongoing but just wondering what in the
heck happened to Garmin as they use to be a good honest company (at
least to US customers) ?
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| fletchb@gmail.com 2007-10-07, 10:33 pm |
| On Oct 1, 7:16 pm, Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:
> Innews:kd7Mi.979$P06.399@trnddc05mike <spam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Well, your problem is that you didn't buy a GPS "from Garmin".
>
> If you do, you won't have any of the problems you described.
>
> --
> Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN b...@iphouse.com
I bought mine from an authorized Garmim reseller and it sure hasn't
helped me.
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| imanozzi 2007-10-07, 10:33 pm |
|
"not_bad" <jures@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4700e5bf$0$3572
$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>N E V E R B U Y G A R M I N !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> ====================
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>
> I bought StreetPilot c320, Australia with maps number 6 for Australia.
>
> Maps City Navigator Australia 7 i should get for free. So immediately
> after purchasing I've filled for free maps update.
>
> Waited 8 months for CD with updates and received without unlocking codes.
>
> When exchanged several emails because one moron was insisting on using old
> codes not realizing, that I need new codes for unlocking, finally they
> gave me a magic solution!
>
> Buy new set of maps (Number 8) because we can't give you codes for maps
> number 7. It will cost you $360 for update on obsolete now GPS, not in
> production line any more.
>
> Below I'm supplying a full copies of all emails as a prove and even my
> registration account password and codes for maps number 6.
>
> I really don't give a shit what they think of me anymore.
>
> You have been warned!
(SNIP)
I'm glad that I purchased a Kogan GPS unit. Works great and never had a
problem. Good price too and best of all - Kogan notify me anytime their
software is updated and direct me to a free download link and give me the
code to unlock it.. I just uploaded for the first time and it worked like a
dread.
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| not_bad 2007-10-07, 10:33 pm |
| Ernst Sauer wrote:
> I read these postings. Also I could not understand every detail (because of my
> imperfect English), I can't understand why Garmin is not able to call the guy
> and offer him an acceptable solution.
> It is a very bad signal from Garmin.
>
> And I can't understand why you advocate Garmin.
I can! He works for Garmin. He uses exactly the same annoying tactics
like that rep from Garmin, Graeme Ball.
Pretends he doesn't understand and assuming that I'm cheating or I don't
understand how that unlocking stuff works.
As I've said before, I'm a computer technician and currently I'm driving
TAXI. GPS with current maps means for me more $'s because I'm more
efficient with it.
I'm driving TAXI just 14 months and maybe will back to computers.
I know how to use all sorts of activations, unlock codes etc, because I
use it (still working as a part time with computers) all the time.
Unlocking windows and many programs.
Garmin attitude is worst I have ever seen.
I could not find a forum for users, where they could ask some questions
and get some solutions in trouble.
I could not even find FAQ.
Service seems to be not existant and to get help - seems to be a mission
impossible.
> I thought about buying a new GPS from Garmin (the new Vista HCx),
> but at the time being I will not.
> Garmin products are very expensive. I have a PDA for about 400 EUR,
> it has a phone, a radio, windows mobile, good programs, GPS, and a navigation
> system which is excellent for me.
You are absolutely right. Product are expensive and service is non existant.
> Garmin is in duty to be fair to the customers.
Amen
I would expect form them codes and apologies on a public forum, like
this one.
That's the only one way to fix that problem. But they locked even my
account! Now even if I would decided to get new Garmin GPS, I can't
because I'm on their black list.
How bad is that?
Because I dare to complain about their dishonest service?
I don't care anymore.
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| not_bad 2007-10-07, 10:33 pm |
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> If you do not want someone to help you, fine.
How you can help, if I have done everything by the book?
I didn't miss anything, I have doe all PERFECTLY.
There is not misunderstanding in any issue on my part. During the proces
I've learned well their all procedure with unlocking their s/ware.
I was able update their maps (version 6) their s/ware which runs GPS.
The whole problem is on their side.
> And if you have the same
> attitude towards Garmin, I am not surprised they don't go beyond what
> they should do... which is what they normally do (been there, done
> that).
My attitude has become hostile because of their actions against me.
In this case, my attitude is a reaction to their actions.
And you are very persistent to make me a guilty in a public forum. It
will not work because
I'm innocent and I went very far, being very patient waiting 8 months
for a CD with new maps, and finally I got them without unlocking codes.
These codes Garmin has refused to give me from their web page.
Now even they have blocked my account.
Their actions had cause such my reaction.
End of the story.
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