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I suppose it is up to us to post some content and scroll down the

Ramon F Herrera

2008-01-01, 4:33 am

IHmm, let's see. What is this NG about? GPS?

I really don't have much to say about GPS. But let's talk about Larry
Page and Sergey Brin, the Google kids.

Do they read Google groups?

Hey, Larry and Sergey! Let me just tell you that we, the folks that
drive the Usenet traffic that you cherish so much are getting more
than a little sick and tired of those MI-5 Persecution postings.

Mind you: I am concerned about those poor fellows that have been
(tortured? prosecuted? castrated?) Gosh, for some reason I am worried
about their wifes and kids.

But not for them.

I frankly feel that they should be branded like cattle.

And, Larry & Sergey: you are not too high on my list either.

Let's just hope that 2008 brings better, actual content to Google/and
Usenet Groups, wunderkinds.

-Ramon F Herrera

Darius

2008-01-01, 12:33 pm

On Jan 1, 5:10 pm, Pegleg <Peg...@usnavyret.mil> wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 01:48:27 -0800 (PST), Ramon F Herrera
>
> <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> If you use a real news provider and a real news reader like agent you
> can kill filter them by pasting:
>
> "m" and "i" and "5" and {p} and {e} and {r} and {s} and {e}
> and {c} and {u} and {t} and {i} and {o} and {n}
>
> into the subject line.

Google is the real news provider as an administrator of Google Groups
aka Usenet.
I would be nice to have filters implemented into on-line Google Groups
reader
at http://groups.google.com.
I am reading and posting groups from Google Groups and it worked nice
for a long time.
Unfortunately filtering tools for Google Groups have not been
developed and implemented by Google
as reading GG as e-mail feed is still a valid option prefered by
Google.

Darius

Darius

2008-01-01, 12:33 pm

On Jan 1, 6:46 pm, Pegleg <Peg...@usnavyret.mil> wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 09:27:32 -0800 (PST), Darius
>
> <dariusjack2...@yahoo.ie> wrote:
>
> Like I said...get a REAL news provider and a REAL reader!
>
> Google Grioups is nothing more than an archive.

Thanks.
But I can't buy your opinion.
Google acquired archives of Usenet and now is the sole owner of Google
Groups.
I haven't got access to Usenet contract but what I read is called
Google Groups
not Usenet/ forum/ listserv/ discussing group/s
To my understanding Google has full control over Google Groups as an
administrator.
There is a number of official Google Groups created by Google and
Google has moderator's rights.
But what is a legal status of non-Google created Google Groups is not
clear to me.
Google Groups are not more directly seen visiting www.Google.com,
mayby moved to selector as not generating profit.
So I don't think there is an option to move groups back to business-
independent Usenet infrastructure one day
or to be run in parallel.

Persecu_guy is very active and he can kill traffic Google Groups very
soon.

Mayby we should create him some new GGs and let him redirect his
activity to that new GGs.

Darius

Darius

2008-01-01, 3:33 pm

On Jan 1, 7:15 pm, "Ken Abrams" <harvest_t...@scum.suckers> wrote:
> "Darius" <dariusjack2...@yahoo.ie> wrote
>
>
> That statement would be funny..........if it wasn't so pathetic.
> It displays a large amount of ignorance.........and maybe stupidity too, but
> the two are different.

So what's your point ?
Is G not more general administrator and owner of GGs ?

Can you call Mike and ask him not to post his Persecus ?

Darius

2008-01-01, 3:33 pm

On Jan 1, 8:46 pm, "Ken Abrams" <harvest_t...@scum.suckers> wrote:
> "Darius" <dariusjack2...@yahoo.ie> wrote
>
>
> It is obvious that you know nothing about how Usenet works.
>
> Google Groups is but one tiny leaf hanging off the end of a branch of a HUGE
> Usenet tree.
> Google doesn't control Usenet anymore than a single flea controls the dog it
> lives on.
>
> Anyway, this would have little to do with GPS, even if you did know what you
> were talking about ..........so I quit...........and suggest you do the
> same.

You said
....
Wake up and smell the roses.

That happens for the same reason that EVERY search first brings up
hits on
sites that PAY Google to be listed.......first.
Those sites pay Google and stipulate how/how much Google can actually
show.

After all, Google is just one HUGE electronic paid advertisement.
...
____________________
_________
GGs is not paid part of G's services

___________
....
from
http://www.google.com/press/pressre...srelease48.html

MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif. - February 12, 2001 - Google Inc. today
announced that it has acquired Deja.com's Usenet Discussion Service.
This acquisition provides Google with Deja's entire Usenet archive
(dating back to 1995), software, domain names including deja.com and
dejanews.com, company trademarks, and other intellectual property.
Financial terms of this transaction were not released.

Darius

2008-01-01, 10:33 pm

On Jan 1, 9:41 pm, Jim Townsend <j...@nota.realaddress> wrote:
> Darius wrote:
>
> Google groups is NOT USENET.
>
> It's simply ONE of many thousands of independently owned and operated
> computer systems around the world that runs news server software.
>
> They all share their message base with each other using the network news
> transport protocol (NNTP).
>
> Nobody administers USENET. Each of the thousands of individual system
> owners is free to do what they want.
>
> Most people who follow USENET don't use Google groups. If Google groups
> were completely shut down tomorrow, most USENET users wouldn't even
> notice the fact. Things would go on without skipping a beat.
>
> I like Google as a company and I use many of Google's great services
> such as Google Earth, Gmail and their search engines. They have truly
> enhanced the internet for many.
>
> Google groups is another story. It's an ugly scab on the face of USENET.
>
> The fact that anyone can sign up for an instant free account and the
> fact that Google does very little policing and enforcement makes
> Google groups fertile ground for every manner of spammer and miscreant.
> They flock to Google groups.
>
> If I started spamming and disrupting groups, my account would be quickly
> terminated. This goes for most of the respectable news providers on
> USENET who maintain and enforce acceptable use policies.
>
> Google on the other hand does very little policing. They seldom act on
> complaints. They just don't care. They are not a responsible news
> provider.
>
> The spew from Google groups has become so bad lately that my news provider
> (Supernews) has started deleting all posts from Google Groups that are
> crossposted to five or more newsgroups. They go in the garbage. I never see
> them. I suspect other news providers are starting to do the same.

Thanks Jim.
But what I mean comes from

http://www.google.com/press/pressre...srelease48.html

MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif. - February 12, 2001 - Google Inc. today
announced that it has acquired Deja.com's Usenet Discussion Service.
This acquisition provides Google with Deja's entire Usenet archive
(dating back to 1995), software, domain names including deja.com and
dejanews.com, company trademarks, and other intellectual property.
Financial terms of this transaction were not released.
____________________
____________________
__________

Pay special attention to
This acquisition provides Google with Deja's ......
...., software, ....... , and other intellectual property.
___
The key issue is "other intellectual property".

from wikipedia/usenet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet

This system, developed at University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
and Duke University, was called USENET to emphasize its creators' hope
that the USENIX organization would take an active role in its
operation (Daniel et al, 1980).
....

Web-based archiving of Usenet posts began in 1995 at Deja News with a
very large, searchable database. In 2001, this database was acquired
by Google.
____

So the key issue still remains "other intellectual property" acquired
by Google
in acquisition of Deja.com's Usenet Discussion Service.

and what was meant by Usenet Discussion Service
and Deja.com's UDS

referring to a contract could give answer to first issue, i.e. "other
intellectual property".

Darius

Darius

2008-01-01, 10:33 pm

On Jan 1, 11:50 pm, "Ken Abrams" <harvest_t...@scum.suckers> wrote:
> "Darius" <dariusjack2...@yahoo.ie> wrote
>
>
> There is no issue.
> The key question is: Does a moron every really KNOW that he is a moron ??

Poetry is really your strong point.
But if you still insist on us to admit Google is not an official
administrator of ex-Usenet system acquired from Deja.com
just tell me what made any sense to acquire public property from
Deja.com
and to pay any sum money for something still open to third parties ?
You may call yourself moron
but try to be more specific next time.
And no poetry pls.

Ramon F Herrera

2008-01-04, 10:33 pm

On Jan 1, 11:08 am, "Runge 9" <phi...@bigfoot.com> wrote:

> Why post if you have nothing to say about GPS
>

....and I suppose your posting is very related to GPS?

-Ramon

Ramon F Herrera

2008-01-14, 4:33 am

On Jan 1, 3:46 pm, "Ken Abrams" <harvest_t...@scum.suckers> wrote:
> "Darius" <dariusjack2...@yahoo.ie> wrote
>
>

> It is obvious that you know nothing about how Usenet works.

Well, I happen to be one of the Usenet/Internet inventors and, having
worked with him when I was at MIT, and I am *really* pissed when
somebody makes fun of Al Gore.

> Google Groups is but one tiny leaf hanging off the end of a branch of a HUGE
> Usenet tree.
> Google doesn't control Usenet anymore than a single flea controls the dog it
> lives on.

To use your crude and simple analogy: Google is a HUGE flea (check the
stocks page), much bigger than the dog, and therefore has a
responsibility to Usenet.

-Ramon

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