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GPS - Long distance cyclists
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| Hi NG
I just found what I for very long time have looked for in the Garmin
assortment.
Magellan eXplorist 210 GPS that: "Stores up to 380 files, each containing
500 trackpoints". It means: 500 x 380 = 190000 trackpoints compared to
Garminīs 10000!
Even better is Magellan eXplorist 400 GPS with SD-card:
http://www.rei.com/online/store/Pro..._GPS_TO
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The conclusion on that product see:
http://forums.groundspeak.com/GC/in...T&f=11&t=115999
However, Peter we need not longer wait for the new Garmin ;-))
Sincerely
Per
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| peter 2005-12-09, 11:49 pm |
| Per wrote:
> I just found what I for very long time have looked for in the Garmin
> assortment.
> Magellan eXplorist 210 GPS that: "Stores up to 380 files, each containing
> 500 trackpoints". It means: 500 x 380 =3D 190000 trackpoints compared to
> Garmin=B4s 10000!
Yes, that's the capability I was referring to in my response to your
note on Nov. 27th when I wrote:
"The main problem with all current Garmin
models is that they have limited tracklog capacity (of up to 10,000
points) with no way to use any of the large map memory for storing
tracklogs. Both Magellan and Lowrance do have that capability.
Lowrance does not include either altitude or timestamp data with their
tracklogs. The latter can be worked around somewhat by setting the
unit to record trackpoints at fixed time intervals and keeping track of
the starting time. But Magellan is probably best overall for saving
long tracklogs."
This feature has already been on Magellans with memory cards for some
time - including the older Meridian Gold/Platinum/Color series.
> However, Peter we need not longer wait for the new Garmin ;-))
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There are still other characteristics where I prefer the Garmin
features: better trip computer options, more auto-routing choices,
incl. selecting bicycle or pedestrian as the 'vehicle', and generally
better battery life. But I'm not at all sure that even their new
models will improve the tracklog capability. Previous Garmins with
memory cards have *not* had the capability of storing tracklog files on
them. It may well take additional customer pressure for them to
incorporate such a feature.
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| Grumps 2005-12-10, 5:48 am |
| Per wrote:
> Hi NG
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> I just found what I for very long time have looked for in the Garmin
> assortment.
> Magellan eXplorist 210 GPS that: "Stores up to 380 files, each
> containing 500 trackpoints". It means: 500 x 380 = 190000 trackpoints
> compared to Garminīs 10000!
>
> Even better is Magellan eXplorist 400 GPS with SD-card:
>
http://www.rei.com/online/store/Pro...atalogId=400000
08000&productId=47860814& parent_category_rn=4
500600& vcat=REI_SSHP_GPS_TO
C
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> The conclusion on that product see:
> http://forums.groundspeak.com/GC/in...T&f=11&t=115999
Just a quick Q. When using the eXplorists, and the 500 point tracklog file
fills up, does it automatically start a new file, or is this a manual
process?
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| Yes Peter, and I thank you for drawing my attention to especially Magellan.
After consulting the Magellan-site I found out the different advantages but
as you mention the Garmin-units do have some great features. However I want
to give priority to the track tracing because of the long distance - about
12-15000 km.
I will go to REI in San Diego CA and see the different models before the
final decision.
"peter" <prathman@comcast.net> skrev i en meddelelse
>----------- But I'm not at all sure that even their new
>models will improve the tracklog capability. Previous Garmins with
>memory cards have *not* had the capability of storing tracklog files on
>them. It may well take additional customer pressure for them to
>incorporate such a feature.
About the latter I think you are right. Long distance cyclists are too small
a segment to care about.
To Grumps who wrote:
>Just a quick Q. When using the eXplorists, and the 500 point tracklog file
>fills up, does it automatically start a new file, or is this a manual
>process?
Well, I donīt really know yet but I imagine that you have to count on
"tours" because when it has used the 500 points and you are going on, the
unit will start sorting and distribute the 500 points along the full tour -
just like Garmin-units do. Perhaps not in the same way but in the principle.
Actually thatīs the problem when you are bicycling 12000 km and you only
have 500 or as Garmin units 10000 points to show the route. Finally a Q. of
how detailed you want to see the route you have driven.
To me it will be most suitable to save a tour every day.
I have thought about another issue when tracing a track. How sensitive is
the unit when choosing to register track point? Is it by turning 1? 10? 20?
30? or you name it degree?
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| Per wrote:
> To Grumps who wrote:
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> Well, I don=B4t really know yet but I imagine that you have to count on
> "tours" because when it has used the 500 points and you are going on, the
> unit will start sorting and distribute the 500 points along the full tour=
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> just like Garmin-units do. Perhaps not in the same way but in the princip=
le.
> Actually that=B4s the problem when you are bicycling 12000 km and you only
> have 500 or as Garmin units 10000 points to show the route. Finally a Q. =
of
> how detailed you want to see the route you have driven.
The Magellan units support up to 2000 points in the currently active
tracklog and will either start overwriting it or stop recording when
that limit is reached. You have to be sure to manually save it to a
file and then clear the active log space sometime before the 2000 point
limit is reached. (I think the 500 number must be referring to
waypoints rather than tracklog points.)
> I have thought about another issue when tracing a track. How sensitive is
> the unit when choosing to register track point? Is it by turning 1? 10? 2=
0?
> 30? or you name it degree?
At least on Garmins the automatic mode appears to be based on how far
away you get from the path that would be predicted by the previous
points. E.g. it may put down a point whenever you are more than 25
meters from the predicted path. You can change the threshold distance
by specifying how detailed you want the track to be. In general
Magellans don't record as detailed a track as Garmins so use the most
detailed 'auto' setting available. You can also record points based on
fixed time or distance intervals.
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| Yes the 500 is waypoints and I do believe you in the 2000 trackpoints. Iīm
looking forward to learn more about the different Magellan units. But if Iīm
saving every days ride I donīt think it will be possible to exceed the 2000
points. Anyway the unit may show a warning before overwriting or stop
recording?
"peter" <prathman@comcast.net> skrev i en meddelelse
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The Magellan units support up to 2000 points in the currently active
tracklog and will either start overwriting it or stop recording when
that limit is reached. You have to be sure to manually save it to a
file and then clear the active log space sometime before the 2000 point
limit is reached. (I think the 500 number must be referring to
waypoints rather than tracklog points.)
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| Jack Erbes 2005-12-10, 11:49 pm |
| Per wrote:
> Yes the 500 is waypoints and I do believe you in the 2000 trackpoints. Iīm
> looking forward to learn more about the different Magellan units. But if Iīm
> saving every days ride I donīt think it will be possible to exceed the 2000
> points. Anyway the unit may show a warning before overwriting or stop
> recording?
The Meridians do not warn you, they just start overwriting. I use mine
to record tracks on boats and I usually use the "Auto Detailed" setting
and save the track to the SD card at the end of each day. You can clear
the track history (like at the start of the day) and then look at the
About... menu to see what percentage of the track history has been used.
I've never used it all in a 14 hour day and covering 250 Nautical
miles or more.
Saving a track to a route, does not save all the trackpoints, it only
save a maximum of 30 points or so. You have to save the track to a file
on the SD card to get all the data.
Jack
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Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA - jackerbes at adelphia dot net
(also receiving email at jacker at midmaine.com)
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| Great info - thank you!
Per
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> Per wrote:
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> The Meridians do not warn you, they just start overwriting. I use mine to
> record tracks on boats and I usually use the "Auto Detailed" setting and
> save the track to the SD card at the end of each day. You can clear the
> track history (like at the start of the day) and then look at the About...
> menu to see what percentage of the track history has been used. I've never
> used it all in a 14 hour day and covering 250 Nautical miles or more.
>
> Saving a track to a route, does not save all the trackpoints, it only save
> a maximum of 30 points or so. You have to save the track to a file on the
> SD card to get all the data.
>
> Jack
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> --
> Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA - jackerbes at adelphia dot net
> (also receiving email at jacker at midmaine.com)
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| Jack Erbes 2005-12-11, 5:48 pm |
| Per wrote:
> Great info - thank you!
> Per
You're welcome! And I might be wrong about the name of the menu.
Another thing I learned the hard way on Meridians, is that if you want
to see what files you have on your SD card you can do that by using the
Delete option to see all the files (there are no Dir or Subdir options
and and all files have to be on the root to be seen).
But when you have pressed the Enter key with Delete highlighted, do not
press Enter again until you see the list of file names displayed and
that will take a few seconds or more. If you press Enter two times it
will delete the first file in the listing. Ouch! You can press ESC or
Quit to get out without deleting anything.
Jack
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Jack Erbes in Ellsworth, Maine, USA - jackerbes at adelphia dot net
(also receiving email at jacker at midmaine.com)
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> Another thing I learned the hard way on Meridians, is that if you want to
> see what files you have on your SD card you can do that by using the
> Delete option to see all the files (there are no Dir or Subdir options and
> and all files have to be on the root to be seen).
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> But when you have pressed the Enter key with Delete highlighted, do not
> press Enter again until you see the list of file names displayed and that
> will take a few seconds or more. If you press Enter two times it will
> delete the first file in the listing. Ouch! You can press ESC or Quit to
> get out without deleting anything.
OK - thanks for the warning ;-)
Per
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