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| Wayne Catterton 2005-08-10, 11:48 pm |
| In article <d2shg507q@enews4.newsguy.com>, seagull@aracnet.com says...
> lou <lou@execulink.com> wrote:
>
> You thought wrong.
>
>
> Cheers,
> -+JLS
>
>
Hi,
Don't mean to cause any waves here, though I do see where some people
are coming from searching for unlock codes. Sure making the maps cost
money, and sure I think you should have to pay for something, however to
get ripped off for something is where the problems are. That being
said, it doesn't matter what GPS unit you buy (garmin, magellan, etc)
they are all doing the same thing and ripping people off. The
information in the maps doesn't cost that much to make, to have to pay
$199 for the CD that contains everything, but then to pay $99 per region
to unlock the region is ridiculous. I mean you can buy Streets and
Trips that has far more or the same information, and you only pay once
and don't have to unlock regions on it. Just having something specific
for GPS is what's causing the cost to go up, not because they spent alot
of time creating it. I was appalled to see that Garmin actually
mentions that they use the unlock system to keep the costs down, but the
prices are so high.
Now I'm not one to go and try to hack something, I don't even own a GPS
yet, but have been looking, and ran into this unlock code thing, whereas
before I started researching I thought if you bought the CD you had it
all, now my cost expectations are higher than I thought to get the stuff
I want. Now that doesn't make it right for me to hack the thing, you
have to follow the rules, however I think this may also open the door
for another company to create something that's more cost effective and
valuable to the consumers.
I've read several posts of people that lost their GPS units (Falling
overboard, or whatever) and they actually bought new ones, same model,
etc. But couldn't use their map software, some actually called Garmin
or Magellan (the 2 most posts I see on) and the company wasn't willing
to work with them at all. I feel that's not right, however there are
not alot of companies to choose from for a good GPS unit. And who knows
if their claims are true?
Just sit back and think about what you are paying for a product vs. what
you get. Also look at other things, such as paying $600 for a graphic
design program vs. paying over $2000 for a map. I mean it just doesn't
make sense that it has to cost that much.
Same thing goes for boating stuff, if you go buy something that has the
word "marine" on it, it's about 3 times the actual cost. A friend of
mine actually had to buy what basically is a capacitor for his boat, the
actually one that said "marine" on it was over $100. He went to the
electronics store found exactly what it was and got a bag of them for
$2.50. All he had to do was make a plastic box around it.. All in all
he made 10 of them for about $10.00.
It's just unfair business practices for companies to over charge for
their product, not because it cost that much to make, but just cause it
says "marine" or whatever.
Anyways, I'm done..
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| Chris Thomas 2005-08-10, 11:48 pm |
| In article <MPG. 1d6445b534709f829896
80@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
ciscoswitch@putercom
.org says...
> It's just unfair business practices for companies to over charge for
> their product, not because it cost that much to make, but just cause it
> says "marine" or whatever.
Seems to me it's the vendor's choice to price the product however he/she
wishes.
It's your choice whether or not the product is worth the price, and if
not, not to purchase it.
I have a problem when the argument gets into "the vendor's pricing is
unreasonable, so it's OK to obtain it by other means".
/Chris
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| Seagull 2005-08-11, 2:48 am |
| Wayne Catterton < ciscoswitch@putercom
.org> wrote:
> said, it doesn't matter what GPS unit you buy (garmin, magellan, etc)
> they are all doing the same thing and ripping people off. The
> information in the maps doesn't cost that much to make, to have to pay
> $199 for the CD that contains everything, but then to pay $99 per region
> to unlock the region is ridiculous.
There's not a single Garmin map product that has this pricing model.
City Select North America, for example, is about $120. All regions are
available /and/ you can even use it on two GPSrs.
> I've read several posts of people that lost their GPS units (Falling
> overboard, or whatever) and they actually bought new ones, same model,
> etc. But couldn't use their map software,
When a map product is bundled with a Garmin GPS, then the unlock code
for that map product is included in the package (no further purchase
necessary).
Get your facts straight before justifying theft.
> Anyways, I'm done..
Obviously. Though if you hadn't stopped so soon, maybe you would have
known what you were talking about.
Cheers,
-+JLS
--
\ carpe cavy!
seagull @ aracnet.com \
http://www.aracnet.com/~seagull/ \ (seize the guinea pig!)
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| Wayne Catterton 2005-08-11, 2:48 am |
| In article <ddeeff0vlg@enews2.newsguy.com>, seagull@aracnet.com says...
> Wayne Catterton < ciscoswitch@putercom
.org> wrote:
>
> There's not a single Garmin map product that has this pricing model.
> City Select North America, for example, is about $120. All regions are
> available /and/ you can even use it on two GPSrs.
>
>
> When a map product is bundled with a Garmin GPS, then the unlock code
> for that map product is included in the package (no further purchase
> necessary).
>
> Get your facts straight before justifying theft.
>
>
> Obviously. Though if you hadn't stopped so soon, maybe you would have
> known what you were talking about.
>
>
> Cheers,
> -+JLS
>
>
Ok if I'm not understanding their pricing model, then I'm sure others
are not either. However, since I'm seriously looking at buying a GPS
unit and all, I'd like to understand what exactly their pricing
structure is.
Here goes: I'm thinking of buying the Garmin 276C Combo Land & Sea
Package. From what I understand, I get the City Select North America
and the BlueChart North America CD's. I believe the unlock code for the
city select unlocks everything, however the unlock code is basically
just a security means to make sure it only gets used on 1 or 2 GPS's, IE
a way of controlling software piracy in a way (more on that later). The
BlueCharts though it seems you have an unlock code to only unlock 1
region, if you want more regions (within that north america CD), you
need to purchase additional unlock codes at $99 a pop for each one.
This doesn't seem fair if that's true, but maybe I am misunderstanding
it.
Note on piracy. By companies securing the product doesn't stop piracy,
though it does slow it down for the average person, but at some point
that average person that is pirating would have it anyways. I remember
back in the day the software company psygnosis, they had the best
protection on their software and was very hard to break, at one point
they stopped completely and said "Why should we spend the extra money on
protecting our software, when it's only driving up costs of the product,
and giving the software pirates a puzzle to complete?" I thought that
was a good statement, and very true. I don't totally agree with it, nor
do I disagree, but no matter how much you put into securing something
it's never going to be 100%, and there will always be someone that will
break it.
Do I agree with piracy? No, not exactly, but it goes both ways. I think
everyone that wants a product should have to pay for it, however I also
think that the companies selling the products should set it at a
reasonable price. As it was stated earlier that the retailers are the
ones controlling the price. That's not true, sure they have a small
markup, but that's marked up from what the manufactorer is charging
them, if the manufactorer didn't overcharge for a product, then the
retailer wouldn't either (in most cases).
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| Seagull 2005-08-11, 2:48 am |
| Wayne Catterton < ciscoswitch@putercom
.org> wrote:
>
> Here goes: I'm thinking of buying the Garmin 276C Combo Land & Sea
> Package. From what I understand, I get the City Select North America
> and the BlueChart North America CD's. I believe the unlock code for the
> city select unlocks everything, however the unlock code is basically
> just a security means to make sure it only gets used on 1 or 2 GPS's,
Correct. And you do get it for 2 GPSrs.
> BlueCharts though it seems you have an unlock code to only unlock 1
> region, if you want more regions (within that north america CD), you
> need to purchase additional unlock codes at $99 a pop for each one.
I admit that I don't know how BlueChart unlocking works. From the looks
of it, it appears that you unlock by region, but regions are defined
by countries, not by segments of a country. For example, Region 1 is
all of the US coast lines including Alaska and Hawaii. Region 2 is
Canada. Region 3 is Central America. Region 4 is South America.
To me, this does not seem unreasonable,
> This doesn't seem fair if that's true,
Why isn't it? The products all fit on a couple of CDs. The alternative
is to have separate map products for each region, each sold separately.
That would increase the complexity of Garmin's marketing and distribution
of the software. The combined approach reduces the number of media and
the number of products but still gives you a reasonable solution with a
sensible grouping. It's not like you have to unlock. say, California's
coastline separately from Oregon or Washington.
> Note on piracy. By companies securing the product doesn't stop piracy,
Actually, it does a pretty good job when that security is tied to a
hardware device. If you know of a way to use locked Garmin maps on
a GPSr, I am sure there are several people who'd love to talk to you.
> Do I agree with piracy? No, not exactly, but it goes both ways. I think
> everyone that wants a product should have to pay for it, however I also
> think that the companies selling the products should set it at a
> reasonable price.
Aha. So here's the real meat of the issue. To you the price isn't
"reasonable", whatever that means. Unless you work for a mapmaker
and have a solid understanding of the costs involved, then you have
no facts to back up your complaint. Maybe these maps are overpriced and
maybe they aren't, but short of industry collusion (which is a darned
serious accusation), one would expect that competition would prevent
price gouging.
Cheers,
-+JLS
--
\ carpe cavy!
seagull @ aracnet.com \
http://www.aracnet.com/~seagull/ \ (seize the guinea pig!)
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| Wayne Catterton 2005-08-11, 5:48 pm |
| In article <ddeneq01cjo@enews2.newsguy.com>, seagull@aracnet.com says...
> Wayne Catterton < ciscoswitch@putercom
.org> wrote:
>
> Correct. And you do get it for 2 GPSrs.
>
>
> I admit that I don't know how BlueChart unlocking works. From the looks
> of it, it appears that you unlock by region, but regions are defined
> by countries, not by segments of a country. For example, Region 1 is
> all of the US coast lines including Alaska and Hawaii. Region 2 is
> Canada. Region 3 is Central America. Region 4 is South America.
> To me, this does not seem unreasonable,
If that's true, than I'm ok with that, I was under the impression that
I'd have to pay for each little area, I wasn't sure what their
definition of a region is. I have several places I would use it in my
state, and thought I'd be paying $99 for each of the sections. From
what your saying it sounds like I would be able to unlock a pretty big
region and be able to do what I need, that's fine by me.
>
>
> Why isn't it? The products all fit on a couple of CDs. The alternative
> is to have separate map products for each region, each sold separately.
> That would increase the complexity of Garmin's marketing and distribution
> of the software. The combined approach reduces the number of media and
> the number of products but still gives you a reasonable solution with a
> sensible grouping. It's not like you have to unlock. say, California's
> coastline separately from Oregon or Washington.
>
>
> Actually, it does a pretty good job when that security is tied to a
> hardware device. If you know of a way to use locked Garmin maps on
> a GPSr, I am sure there are several people who'd love to talk to you.
It does do an ok job, but it's not stopped. Locking it to the unit can
still be broken. I've seen several protections such as this, and all
the crackers do is pull that section out of the code that checks for the
unit ID's, etc. Anyways I'm just pointing out that there has to be a
medium set to where your not overly paying for a product because they
spent so much on securing it.
>
>
> Aha. So here's the real meat of the issue. To you the price isn't
> "reasonable", whatever that means. Unless you work for a mapmaker
> and have a solid understanding of the costs involved, then you have
> no facts to back up your complaint. Maybe these maps are overpriced and
> maybe they aren't, but short of industry collusion (which is a darned
> serious accusation), one would expect that competition would prevent
> price gouging.
>
As far as being a reasonable price, I'm talking about you pay for what
you get. Take for example paying $600 for a graphic program such as
adobe photoshop. When you load photoshop you get a good feeling that
it's a very complex and powerful program and would have taken alot of
time and effort to create. So paying the $600 for it feels worth it.
Now take say a simple program that does one thing, and if you were a
programmer wouldn't take hardly anytime to create, I've seen programs
such as these going for $300, now that's hardly worth it, though the
author does have the choice of what they charge for it. However on the
note of maps, I'm sure garmin didn't go out and create all the maps on
their own. There are lots of maps and data available for free, alot of
that data was collected by non-profit organizations that are collecting
the data for research and whatnot. Alot of your map programs use this
same data, and they just build it to work with their own applications.
So not as much work has gone into them from the companies that are
selling it. They've basically just taken it and adapted it to work for
their product. However if what you say is true on the bluecharts, then
I no longer feel that it's not worth the price, however maybe they
should be a little more clear on what exactly you are paying for. I've
been digging around and looking at posts, and there are lots of other
people that have the same understanding that I do regarding the regions
and such and what your paying for, which is different from what you are
saying.
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| JohnF 2005-08-12, 11:48 pm |
| Wouldn't it be simpler to just shoplift the product from a store? It's
exactly the same thing and you wouldn't have to spend time on here
justifying why you're stealing it.
< iam_anon_ymous@hotma
il.com> wrote in message
news:1123793527.377073.159270@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> The protection of Garmin maps is pretty good, I have looked around (and
> I know where and how to look) and have not found anything at all (and
> it has been in place for years already) there could be a few reasons:
> Garmin's prices are accepted by most or it is unbreakeable or it is not
> in the interest of hackers.
> I don't think it costs them very much (definatly not as much as
> Microsoft's activation).
>
> I have gone thru the unlock process about 10 times and have only once
> had a problem when I wanted to use a 2nd free unlock code with a GPS I
> bought on eBay but a mail to Garmin resolved it promptly and
> completely.
> IMHO Garmin is also quite clear about what you get, everything is on
> their website and they are the only company I know with a mapviewer,
> also when unlocking you have to acknowledge that you are unlocking that
> particular region (there's even a picture :) )
> Bluecharts still use the notion of regions, for automotive maps that
> has been discontinued a few years ago, perhaps it will come for
> Bluecharts too if there is enough competition.
>
> There are also free maps for Garmin GPSes and there are plenty of clear
> instructions on how to create your own maps on Google.
>
| |
| Gilbert Smith 2005-08-12, 11:48 pm |
| iam_anon_ymous@hotma
il.com wrote:
>
>The protection of Garmin maps is pretty good, I have looked around (and
>I know where and how to look) and have not found anything at all (and
>it has been in place for years already) there could be a few reasons:
>Garmin's prices are accepted by most or it is unbreakeable or it is not
>in the interest of hackers.
I think the problem is that the code for checking the unlock code
exists in both the PC program and the GPS unit. The protocol requires
that the PC sends a correct encryption of this code.
>I don't think it costs them very much (definatly not as much as
>Microsoft's activation).
>
>I have gone thru the unlock process about 10 times and have only once
>had a problem when I wanted to use a 2nd free unlock code with a GPS I
>bought on eBay but a mail to Garmin resolved it promptly and
>completely.
>IMHO Garmin is also quite clear about what you get, everything is on
>their website and they are the only company I know with a mapviewer,
>also when unlocking you have to acknowledge that you are unlocking that
>particular region (there's even a picture :) )
>Bluecharts still use the notion of regions, for automotive maps that
>has been discontinued a few years ago, perhaps it will come for
>Bluecharts too if there is enough competition.
>
>There are also free maps for Garmin GPSes and there are plenty of clear
>instructions on how to create your own maps on Google.
| |
| Sardious 2005-08-13, 5:48 pm |
| This goes to the other 60 CS issue where the base map is not even close
therefore encouraging you to need the very high priced maps so if you choose
they are not worth the price you are also choosing a purposely flawed
basemap that will void the whole driving help feature that encouraged your
buying this. I do not steal software cause of religious beliefs but that
does not made purposfuly bad basemaps to put overpriced software OK.
Sometime people abuse specialty markets and it is wrong even though to get
"revenge" by stealing is just as wrong.
"Chris Thomas" <CThomas@mminternet.com> wrote in message
news:MPG. 1d644e74bef99d9c9896
ba@news.mminternet.com...
> In article <MPG. 1d6445b534709f829896
80@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
> ciscoswitch@putercom
.org says...
>
> Seems to me it's the vendor's choice to price the product however he/she
> wishes.
>
> It's your choice whether or not the product is worth the price, and if
> not, not to purchase it.
>
> I have a problem when the argument gets into "the vendor's pricing is
> unreasonable, so it's OK to obtain it by other means".
>
> /Chris
| |
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| "Wayne Catterton" < ciscoswitch@putercom
.org> wrote in message
news:MPG. 1d65278f21bcc7e79896
82@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> author does have the choice of what they charge for it. However on the
> note of maps, I'm sure garmin didn't go out and create all the maps on
> their own. There are lots of maps and data available for free, alot of
> that data was collected by non-profit organizations that are collecting
> the data for research and whatnot. Alot of your map programs use this
> same data, and they just build it to work with their own applications.
> So not as much work has gone into them from the companies that are
> selling it. They've basically just taken it and adapted it to work for
> their product. However if what you say is true on the bluecharts, then
> I no longer feel that it's not worth the price, however maybe they
> should be a little more clear on what exactly you are paying for. I've
> been digging around and looking at posts, and there are lots of other
> people that have the same understanding that I do regarding the regions
> and such and what your paying for, which is different from what you are
> saying.
Maps that are free for you and I to access on the Internet and such are NOT
free for commercial use (such as Garmin packing into a retail program).
Garmin has to pay for those maps. They don't get a free ride.
Just like TiVo has to pay for TV guide listings. They can't just harvest
all the data you and I can get for free from www.tvguide.com, package them
up and deliver to their paying customers. That would be a copyright
violation and as such have to pay their providers for the data that they
deliver to us.
Same with Garmin and the other GPS manufacturers. They have to buy and/or
license the Maps from the prospective agencies that created or hold
copyright to them.
| |
|
| Sardious wrote:
> This goes to the other 60 CS issue where the base map is not even close
> therefore encouraging you to need the very high priced maps so if you choose
> they are not worth the price you are also choosing a purposely flawed
> basemap that will void the whole driving help feature that encouraged your
> buying this. I do not steal software cause of religious beliefs but that
> does not made purposfuly bad basemaps to put overpriced software OK.
> Sometime people abuse specialty markets and it is wrong even though to get
> "revenge" by stealing is just as wrong.
That's a bogus argument. If YOU think Garmin should have included the
entirety of City Select NA as the *BASEMAP* of all of their GPS units
(then add in BlueChart and US Rec Lakes, for the boaters -- why should
they be left out? Boaters need lovin', too :-), think about what it
would take for Garmin to design in a few GB of flash memory into your
60CS and dump all these products in as the basemap. And think about how
much that 60CS would cost.
I've owned a 76C for a little over a year now, and use it with City
Select and Rec Lakes. Personally, I don't give a rat's hind end about
the quality of the basemap in that unit because the map data I use most
often costs less to buy separately (and is much easier to use) than if
it were included in the basemap. I'd imagine that someone who just uses
their 76 on their boat appreciates not having to pay for road
cartography as much as I am about not fronting Garmin the money for
BlueChart data.
"Very high priced?" Well, that could be debated. CS costs more than,
say, Delorme Street Atlas 2006 -- on the other hand, I don't hear of
many people downloading SA2006 data into their Garmins. As was
mentioned elsewhere in this string, the cartography data and POI
information ain't free -- you just have to decide whether the value
added by Garmin (being able to download maps, routes, POI, etc. into the
GPS, the quality of the data, etc.) justifies paying the price Garmin is
asking. For that matter, ask yourself how much basemap detail YOU need
and decide whether you want to drop $1200 for one of the new Street Pilots.
| |
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| Wayne Catterton < ciscoswitch@putercom
.org> wrote:
> Don't mean to cause any waves here, though I do see where some people=20
> are coming from searching for unlock codes. Sure making the maps cost=
=20
> money, and sure I think you should have to pay for something, however =
to=20
> get ripped off for something is where the problems are. That being=20
> said, it doesn't matter what GPS unit you buy (garmin, magellan, etc)=20
> they are all doing the same thing and ripping people off. The=20
> information in the maps doesn't cost that much to make, to have to pay=20
> $199 for the CD that contains everything, but then to pay $99 per =
region=20
> to unlock the region is ridiculous. I mean you can buy Streets and=20
> Trips that has far more or the same information, and you only pay once=20
> and don't have to unlock regions on it. Just having something specific=
=20
> for GPS is what's causing the cost to go up, not because they spent =
alot=20
> of time creating it. I was appalled to see that Garmin actually=20
> mentions that they use the unlock system to keep the costs down, but =
the=20
> prices are so high. =20
I too think the upgrade prices are rip-off, but I guess we agree the =
rule
then we may have to live by the rule we agree. Yes, it's sad that I have
spend around $2,000 for 3 Garmin GPSs, and stuck with older map, and I =
ain't
gonna spend another $150 then another $150 for the newer stinky version =
<g>.
The upgrade price is way too costly.
| |
|
| Chris Thomas <CThomas@mminternet.com> wrote:
> In article <MPG. 1d6445b534709f829896
80@newsgroups.comcast.net>,=20
> ciscoswitch@putercom
.org says...
it=20[color=darkred]
>=20
> Seems to me it's the vendor's choice to price the product however =
he/ she=20
> wishes.
>=20
> It's your choice whether or not the product is worth the price, and if=20
> not, not to purchase it.
>=20
> I have a problem when the argument gets into "the vendor's pricing is=20
> unreasonable, so it's OK to obtain it by other means".
Hmmmm you don't have problem with the vendor then why you have problem
with consumer? IOW, you have the right to think, then why don't give =
other
to enjoy the same right?
If it's too high then people have the right to think and say it's
unreasonable. Why it's unresonable, *if* only just $150 then it may not =
be
too much, but we have to spend many other $150, especially the $150 is
related to the $1,000 GPS toy.
| |
|
| iam_anon_ymous@hotma
il.com wrote:
can[color=darkred]
the[color=darkred]
>=20
> The protection of Garmin maps is pretty good, I have looked around (and
> I know where and how to look) and have not found anything at all (and
> it has been in place for years already) there could be a few reasons:
> Garmin's prices are accepted by most or it is unbreakeable or it is not
> in the interest of hackers.
> I don't think it costs them very much (definatly not as much as
> Microsoft's activation).
I am guessing it's well protected because the number of GPS user is very
low, or most hackers don't even use or interest in cracking thing doesn't
have most users.
And talking about another rip-off <g>, I have owned several different
version of Windows since Windows v1.x, Win95 Pre-released, Win95/98, =
WinNT,
and 4-5 notebooks came with pre-loaded WinXP (I think one loaded with
Win2K), and by the law (I don't obey <g> ) I still need to buy more and =
more
Windows for more system <g>
| |
|
| "JohnF" <u8721@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Wouldn't it be simpler to just shoplift the product from a store? It's
> exactly the same thing and you wouldn't have to spend time on here
> justifying why you're stealing it.
Hahaha you forgot to use the full name "Saint John". Or I ain't gonna
believe anyone unless I can see a circle of light around your head <bg>
IOW, in the Internet world many people may see "The Honest" and "The
Dishonest" and none sees saint <bg>
| |
| Seagull 2005-08-16, 11:48 pm |
| Joel <Joel@nospam.plz> wrote:
>
> If it's too high then people have the right to think and say it's
> unreasonable.
Of course they do. But that doesn't give anyone the right to steal it.
> Why it's unresonable, *if* only just $150 then it may not be
> too much, but we have to spend many other $150, especially the $150 is
> related to the $1,000 GPS toy.
No one is forcing you to buy annual map updates. A 1 or even 2-year old
map is far from worthless.
Cheers,
-+JLS
--
\ carpe cavy!
seagull @ aracnet.com \
http://www.aracnet.com/~seagull/ \ (seize the guinea pig!)
| |
| Chris Thomas 2005-08-17, 2:48 am |
| In article <23304656.16564312@anonymous.com>, Joel@NoSpam.plz says...
> Hmmmm you don't have problem with the vendor then why you have problem
> with consumer? IOW, you have the right to think, then why don't give =
> other
> to enjoy the same right?
>
> If it's too high then people have the right to think and say it's
> unreasonable. Why it's unresonable, *if* only just $150 then it may not =
> be
> too much, but we have to spend many other $150, especially the $150 is
> related to the $1,000 GPS toy.
What I have a problem with is the logic that goes "If I think the vendor
is charging too much, then it is OK to steal it."
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| Wayne Catterton 2005-08-17, 11:48 pm |
| In article <AjsLe.4453$j21.3983@news01.roc.ny>,
seth_lermanNOSPAM@ho
tmail.com says...
> "Wayne Catterton" < ciscoswitch@putercom
.org> wrote in message
> news:MPG. 1d65278f21bcc7e79896
82@newsgroups.comcast.net...
>
> Maps that are free for you and I to access on the Internet and such are NOT
> free for commercial use (such as Garmin packing into a retail program).
> Garmin has to pay for those maps. They don't get a free ride.
>
> Just like TiVo has to pay for TV guide listings. They can't just harvest
> all the data you and I can get for free from www.tvguide.com, package them
> up and deliver to their paying customers. That would be a copyright
> violation and as such have to pay their providers for the data that they
> deliver to us.
>
> Same with Garmin and the other GPS manufacturers. They have to buy and/or
> license the Maps from the prospective agencies that created or hold
> copyright to them.
>
Well, I've ordered my GPS, I actually went with a lowrance model for
several reasons. One being I wanted to find a model that was a bit
cheaper so I could get more accessories for it.
What I like about lowrance and eagle products is that they have
downloadable emulators for their products so you can actually see what
you are getting before you buy. In addition to the downloadable
emulator, they also have several sample detailed maps to download so you
can see what they look like.
I'm getting the Lowrance IFinder H20, which is only a black & White
unit, but that's all you really need. Sure it doesn't have some of the
features that the others do, but it's a really nice stable model, and
offers everything I am looking for in a GPS. Lowrance's basemaps are
also great, they have more stuff in the basemaps than any other,
including some nautical stuff as well. It also has dual NEMA serial,
removable antenna (so you can hook up an external antenna), it's got an
external MMC/SD Slot as well, Dual processors. Their software is not as
strict as some of the others, you can put it on 5 different memory
cards, also with the Nautical path software is comes on a memory card
and you get the whole thing, no need for unlock codes and regions,
though it's only offshore maps, but the standard basemaps, plus what's
included with the mapping software, I'll have everything I need.
Being black and white doesn't bother me, and I can hook it up to a
laptop with navigation software and have full color there.
anyways, thanks for all the replies.
>
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| Seagull <seagull@aracnet.com> wrote:
> Joel <Joel@nospam.plz> wrote:
it's[color=darkred]
>=20
> Of course they do. But that doesn't give anyone the right to steal it.
Of course at least people will have to wait for your approval, so don't
get so exited about it.
is[color=darkred]
>=20
> No one is forcing you to buy annual map updates. A 1 or even 2-year =
old
> map is far from worthless.
Yup! I am waiting for you to force me! =20
Heck, I was hoping you tell me something else, but just repeat exactly
what I said (I said I am still using the OLD version, and you try to =
force
me to buy new one <g> )
> Cheers,
> -+JLS
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| Chris Thomas <CThomas@mminternet.com> wrote:
> In article <23304656.16564312@anonymous.com>, Joel@NoSpam.plz says...
problem[color=darkre
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give =3D[color=darkred]
not =3D[color=darkred]
is[color=darkred]
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> What I have a problem with is the logic that goes "If I think the =
vendor=20
> is charging too much, then it is OK to steal it."
Well, you do not need to think, but I can tell you that I would careless
if you steal it or make some donation to make up the loss. It's not my
problem, and it just won't grow any galo right above the "In The Name Of =
The
=46ather".
And of course I won't let they steal mine (food on the table) by using =
the
old version.
BTW, can you be the one to throw the first CD? (I meant First Stone to =
the
sinner) <g>
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| Joel@NoSpam.plz (Joel) wrote:
> Chris Thomas <CThomas@mminternet.com> wrote:
>=20
problem[color=darkre
d]
give =3D[color=darkred]
may not =3D[color=darkred]
is[color=darkred]
vendor=20[color=dark
red]
>=20
> Well, you do not need to think, but I can tell you that I would =
careless
> if you steal it or make some donation to make up the loss. It's not my
> problem, and it just won't grow any galo right above the "In The Name =
Of The
> Father".
>=20
> And of course I won't let they steal mine (food on the table) by using=
the
> old version.
>=20
> BTW, can you be the one to throw the first CD? (I meant First Stone to=
the
> sinner) <g>
What I meant to say that I am an older man (my next birthday will be the
big weaker 70th <g> ), so even I don't have the Garmin Mapsource sin, I =
have
always trying to be fair ... but as usual, the more we live the more sin =
we
make in life.
So, if you tell me you are cleaner than average human, I can show and
prove to you your normal sin to make you feel more guilty, to see lesser =
sin
on other <bg> Give me a try, and I will show you how to find sin, and it
would effect 98-99.99% of all human (may be except the crazy people?) <g>
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| JohnF 2005-08-22, 11:48 pm |
| Guess I don't get the joke? It's the same product sold in many stores and
these people wouldn't consider shoplifting it but somehow stealing it from
the internet is ok? Do you really believe someone is a "saint" simply
because the refuse to steal something?
As long as you feel you can maintain some self respect then I guess you'll
do what you think is right.
"Joel" <Joel@NoSpam.plz> wrote in message
news:24995712.23303216@anonymous.com...
"JohnF" <u8721@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Wouldn't it be simpler to just shoplift the product from a store? It's
> exactly the same thing and you wouldn't have to spend time on here
> justifying why you're stealing it.
Hahaha you forgot to use the full name "Saint John". Or I ain't gonna
believe anyone unless I can see a circle of light around your head <bg>
IOW, in the Internet world many people may see "The Honest" and "The
Dishonest" and none sees saint <bg>
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| JohnF 2005-08-22, 11:48 pm |
| I'm replying to the thread which about stealing a software product. Sorry if
your post just happened to be the last post in the thread at the time.
< iam_anon_ymous@hotma
il.com> wrote in message
news:1124359286.232292.105810@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>
> JohnF wrote:
>
> You're replying to the wrong post.
> I'm happy with Garmin's GPS (I've had 4 upto now) and the maps and
> update procedure they provide. I've done 5 upgrades, the first when
> they still had small regions to upgrade to the full region and I've
> used the free second unlock 4 times all without problems, some people
> are probably just careless and loose their unlock codes or put in wrong
> email addresses and then blaim Garmin that the process is too
> difficult, I've never spent more than 2 minutes to get an unlock code,
> the procedure is very simple.
>
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| > The protection of Garmin maps is pretty good, I have looked around (and
> I know where and how to look) and have not found anything at all.
I also did a little search to see if anyone had hacked Garmins protection
and I stumbled upon 'Garmwacker' this software program works by changing the
ID of your GPS unit so it matches the ID of someone who has purchased
Garmins software. For this to work you need a Garmin voucher code so you can
obtain the unit ID off Garmins website, another quick search and I have
found 5 voucher codes. (Were these codes legit? Oh yes as I checked them
via Garmins website.) The advantage of this system is you will be able to
download current updates and patches for your software whilst never parting
with a penny. 'Garmwacker' currently only works on the eTrex range but could
be developed to work on all Garmin GPS units.
I think if Garmin do not re-think their pricing policy, software like this
could become a little more common....
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| Colin Wilson 2005-08-24, 5:48 pm |
| > I also did a little search to see if anyone had hacked Garmins protection
> and I stumbled upon 'Garmwacker' this software program works by changing the
> ID of your GPS unit so it matches the ID of someone who has purchased
> Garmins software.
The only version i`ve ever spotted turned out to be essentially a hex
editor that allowed you to alter old ROM files for an emap(?)
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| "JohnF" <u85721@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Guess I don't get the joke? It's the same product sold in many stores =
and=20
> these people wouldn't consider shoplifting it but somehow stealing it =
from=20
> the internet is ok? Do you really believe someone is a "saint" simply=20
> because the refuse to steal something?
You are a confused young man. I said you are BETTER (less sin or =
holier)
than I am, and you are still not happy. Yes, you are much holier but we
don't believe you are that holy.
Have you stolen anything? Are you always tell the truth? Do you think
you are cleaner people, or dirtier than average people?
=20
> As long as you feel you can maintain some self respect then I guess =
you'll=20
> do what you think is right.
If you look deeper inside yourself, don't lie to yourself then you know
you can't call anyone a thief (when you are not much better or even worse
yourself). So, it's better to grow up, get married, and tell your kids =
not
to steal (instead), and like I said lets me know if you want me to tell =
you
what you have stolen, and I will be more than happy to tell you.
No, I don't need to know who you are, I don't care how old you are, I
don't care how much eduction you have etc.. but I can spell it out what =
you
have stolen. Or just dirt like dog like everyone else.
> "Joel" <Joel@NoSpam.plz> wrote in message=20
> news:24995712.23303216@anonymous.com...
> "JohnF" <u8721@yahoo.com> wrote:
>=20
It's[color=darkred]
>=20
> Hahaha you forgot to use the full name "Saint John". Or I ain't gonna
> believe anyone unless I can see a circle of light around your head <bg>
>=20
> IOW, in the Internet world many people may see "The Honest" and "The
> Dishonest" and none sees saint <bg>
>=20
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